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Point! Excellent point. Sure in one game, a couple games, the differences might be a challenge. But over time, the talent these great players have and had I believe would win out.
Like a 90 MPH slider?
It's possible. Again, we obviously can't definitively say. I just find the argument that the Ruth-era pitchers were all garbage so of course he hit all of those home runs unpersuasive given that in 5 different years he had more the twice the number of HRs as the second place guy. From 1919 to 1921 he bested the second place guys 29-10, 54-19, and 59-24. There certainly could be some sort of threshold effect where if the pitches get 5mph faster or move in a certain way his batting skills drop off of a cliff, but to me it seems quite unlikely. But lots of others feel differently, and that's fine.
Absolutely. Plus he plays as hard in regular season games as these guys do in game 7s
I bet he could stop Lebron though.
Jordan would have to adjust to the increased athleticism and defensive scheme sophistication so I don't think it would be day 1, but he'd be just fine.
Don't get me wrong here, I still think Jordan would be an all-NBA player and MVP candidate. My only quibble was the "day 1". Todya's defense and athleticism are both light years beyond what he saw so I think there would be an adjustment period. Of course we may simply be quibbling on the definiton of time travel. Because we are nerds.
I think a time travel Lebron would whine because that is that way all players are brought up in today's game. I think Lebron growing up in that era would play just like guys back then and wouldn't whine. He gets a lot of crap for whining (and he does a ton and deserves the criticism) but I do think it is accentuated by the way the game is called and played now. It's a product of the era.
Yeah ok.
He would get called for traveling 5 times a game and be carted off in an ambulance after one mildly aggressive hand check.
TF outta here with that nonsense.
I agree completely...........but today's Lebron? Yikes. He'd get laughed at
Oh jesus
He'd still suck. For one he sucked in the MINORS not the MLB. For two, hitting a baseball is the hardest thing to do in sports. He'd still struggle hitting a baseball
) in the NFL and it's scary the numbers Rice might have posted had he played today.
You don’t think Ovechkin has one now? I think he gets it if he plays two more years.
He'll never get the total points record, right? I don't know enough about hockey and I am an idiot, so I may be way off here. I think Ovie got the goal record, but is way behind on assists.
Would love to see Laimbeer take him out and the ensuing melee.
He does not have the goal record yet — I thought that was the one you were talking about. Ovechkin passed Gordie Howe earlier this year, but he’s still around 70 goals short of Gretzky.
Yeah, Gretzky still has like 1000 more assists than Ovechkin. It is nuts.
It's the Jordan argument above, right? Players are better now. I think there are some immortals who remain immortals.
I think he is still amazing but it's hard for me to look at what Rice did in his career and think there's a better possible outcome anywhere else. His career marks were just so far beyond what anyone has ever done that I don't think even Rice himself could improve on them.
I think the rule changes would have helped Jordan and Rice remain dominant despite players getting better around them.
Joe Montana never threw for 4000 yards once in his career. Just by sheer volume alone Rice's #s would improve.
During Rice's peak years from mid 24-34, he averaged about 154 targets. That is basically what CeeDee Lamb and Stefon Diggs got last year. Only Tyreek, JJ and Adams got more. Plus, Rice was doing it in game seasons, not 17. He got plenty of targets which is why his records for catches, yards and TDs are deemed nearly untouchable. You are right teams threw less then and QBs weren't crossing 4000 yards. Conversely, the pie was less divided. Teams didn't play a lot of 3 and 4 WR sets, there weren't all these athletic hybrid TEs and pass catching specialist running backs.
It's possible he could be a better player and not as dominant, isn't it?
also he supports putin so basically he can go to hell take that to the bank brohans
Similar to how Gretzky got laughed at in the late 70's and 80's (arguably the toughest era in hockey)? Didn't stop him from being the GOAT.
That's the goal record.........not the scoring record. (Although, that may be what Uruk-Hai meant).
LeBron James and Michael Jordan would have been great in any era.
For basketball, Wilt Chamberlain fascinates me the most in this thought exercise. In my mind, he'd have been a cross between Durant & Shaq and pretty much unstoppable even if his numbers were less. He was extremely intelligent and would have learned how to play in the 2000's game.
No doubt in my mind Babe Ruth would have been awesome in today's MLB. Walter Johnson would have, too.
Jim Brown is 80-something years old and would kick butt RIGHT NOW (YOU go try to tackle him - I'm passing
I don't know enough about hockey, but I think Ovechkin might have had a shot at Gretzky's all-time scoring record if he had play in the 1980s.
And?
