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If Vick is found guilty, should he be banned from NFL? (1 Viewer)
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ceo3west
Footballguy
I personally would like to have some distinction between the NFL and Thunderdome.
Sweat Hog
Footballguy
Exactly.THis isn't him robbing a bank or some other socially unacceptable yet redeemable act. THis is cruel, sub human behavior along the lines of rape, murder and child molestation. I'm sorry but it is not a big leap to go from killing a domesticated animal(see Jeffrey Dahmer) to killing a person. Not saying he should be banished from society but certainly not given another "golden ticket" to fame and fortune in the NFL. Can't you people think of some other more deserving ahtletes that don't get their rocks off by gambling on and killing animals for fun?ceo3west said:
That's hilarious but absolutely right!If I was convicted on a felony charge, I would be fired immediately. Is that justifiable? Absolutely. High-profile NFL players are not being held to a higher standard. They are being held to the SAME standard as the majority of Americans. Goodell is effectively the CEO of the NFL, which is at it's highest level of success in the history of the game. The structure and policies regarding player discipline are solid. I think Goodell has done a fantastic job of maintaining strict rules about behavior off the field. What you expect from your sport, your team, and the players is reflective of who you are. It wouldn't surprise me if the people (person?) here who attempts to defend dog fighting has taken part in it. If you think someone convicted of such cruelty should be allowed to continue in their job role, I'm faily confident that you are not executive material.Finally, though it should be an obvious point, there are children who look up to superstar sports figures. Whether a player wants that responsibility or not, it is theirs when they sign the contract. How many dads are trying to find a way to explain to their kids what Michael Vick has been accused of?
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
To those saying that Vick will be blacklisted by every NFL team even if he is not suspended, remember that many NFL teams often give chances to players with tons of baggage. There is always a coach or team out there that thinks they can turn them around, and if they think Vick still has enough to help them out, someone will take a chance on him.
I am in favor of a lifetime banning, however, if he is found guilty or plea-bargains. And to say that a banning is taking away his right to work is dumb. He can still find a ton of other jobs in America.
I am in favor of a lifetime banning, however, if he is found guilty or plea-bargains. And to say that a banning is taking away his right to work is dumb. He can still find a ton of other jobs in America.
jurb26
Footballguy
Not according to this thread. Every person in here is saying they would be fired for this action. We start adding up all these individual jobs and suddenly they don't look so plentiful.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
so should people who raise hunting dogs go to jail??? They raise dogs for the purpose of hunting? They're bred for the purpose of killing animals? As long as its not a dog its ok?not to defend what he did, but come one, Pac Man was involved in how many murders?? And he only gets 1 year (and is appealing and possibly winning hte appeal) and Vick is gonne get life??? People >>>> Dogs... Vick can't get suspended for longer than Pacman, even if Vick is found guilty of the maximum charges (I realize that Vick will be in jail and htus unable to play if convicted, i'm saying the NFL shouldn't tack on anything extra in terms of a suspension to that)T Love said:
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
really?Vick is as bad as Dahmer? Seriously???So torturing a dog is the same as torturing a human? You really think there's no difference???
I am not sure why people are surprised by the poll results. America loves their dogs. In terms of most heinous crimes, you have:
1. Serial killer
2. Pedofile
3. Dog killer
Goodell will be making a HUGE PR blunder if he allows Vick to play. The Falcons first road game will be INSANE.
gb having the ticket to see that.
1. Serial killer
2. Pedofile
3. Dog killer
Goodell will be making a HUGE PR blunder if he allows Vick to play. The Falcons first road game will be INSANE.
gb having the ticket to see that.
Maybe we're just a bit "different" from the mainstream, but I think this is a good post. I guess everyone here has a completely clean record, and so do their families, and friends, and acquaintences. Personally, if someone is found guilty, does time, and shows regret/reform....I'm willing to give them a second chance. Vick sounds like a pretty horrible person, after his NFL career and salary are taken away from him for 1+ year? Hey, people can change. Not often, certainly not always, but they CAN "see the light."Mr. Bill O said:
WisWolvrns
Footballguy
Not to hijack... but the bold above is true in parts of the world. women are property and do get abused and even killed with no legal penalties. See http://www.worldandi.com/newhome/public/2003/may/clpub.asp for one example...
If Vick did what is being said, then I am all for prison time and a lifetime ban. I wish the owners would decide on their own that someone like this is not who they want on their team, but history has shown us that will probably not be the case. Leonard Little is still a Ram even though he was stopped with alcohol in his system a year after he killed a mother of two while drunk driving. I love my dog and can't imagine how people can enjoy the cruelty of dog-fighting, but I rank Little's disregard for human life as a worse crime and he still has his job.
Don't you watch The Dog Whisperer? People think that dogs are humans. But the man who knows the most about dogs (the Dog Whisperer himself) always has the same message for everyone.... humans are humans and dogs are dogs.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
There was a time when Al Davis would have jumped at the opportunity. And his fan base probably wouldn't have minded very much, not if the Vick-type was helping them win. Better for this decision to be in the hands of the individual franchises than at the discretion of the league.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
I think pedofile is #1 ahead of serial killer
Mungo Burrows
Footballguy
A long pattern of illegal and cruel behavior
gambling and associating with gamblers
lying to the commish (presumably)
a history of other dalliances and questionable behaviors (Ron mexico, :finger:, Water bottle, etc)
Then consider that a player such as Vick is squarely in the public eye and is a highly visible representative of a multi-billion dollar organization.
If I were in charge, I would not want my organization to be associated with such a person ever again. He has done considerable damage to the organization and I would be very surprised if he got a "second chance" to sully the reputation of the NFL.
gambling and associating with gamblers
lying to the commish (presumably)
a history of other dalliances and questionable behaviors (Ron mexico, :finger:, Water bottle, etc)
Then consider that a player such as Vick is squarely in the public eye and is a highly visible representative of a multi-billion dollar organization.
If I were in charge, I would not want my organization to be associated with such a person ever again. He has done considerable damage to the organization and I would be very surprised if he got a "second chance" to sully the reputation of the NFL.
Than why are 3 million dogs euthanized in this country each year?
Brutis
Footballguy
The media hasn't crammed it down our throats that we should be offended by this..yet.
Amen. The media tells us Vick is a murderer and an executioner for being around when dogs were killed. Yet, it's perfectly okay for Billy Bob to shoot a deer, stuff it, mount it on his wall so he can show it to his friends and brag about it. What a hypocrisy.
Keith Lewis
Footballguy
Good point. Also there are alot of stupid people who went out and bought chihuahuas when the "Yo Quiero Taco Bell" was popular only to realize a few months later the novelty wore off and dropped these dogs off to the pound to be euthanized. Some Americans love their dogs and some Americans are as stupid as ever.
pretty sure euthanizing dogs is humane. don't be an idiot.
Sweat Hog
Footballguy
Dude - read much? Nowhere did I say Vick = Dahmer. Dahmer was one of MANY serial killers who graduated to killing people. (Look it up.)Yes there is a difference between torturing a dog and a person. What I said was it's not a big leap from one to the other. If you can disconnect yourself from any feelings of compassion and murder an animal in any number of dispicable ways, it's POSSIBLE you could feel the same way about a person. Read again - POSSIBLE.
Sweat Hog
Footballguy
Pretty sure they did not beat, shoot, strangle or ELECTROCUTE those dogs at the local shelter. And where is the link supporting all these people turning their dogs over after the novelty wore off. I don't remember this big social phenomenon, nor do I believe it as that breed of dog is very expensive and I'm sure for those who did buy as a novelty, they likely found a buyer to take off their hands.
Death is death and the point is when you kill 3 million dogs a year a that means we as Americans don't highly regard the lives of dogs in general...Say hello to the idiot in the mirror, the one who allows the media to play him like a puppet on a string.
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Brutis
Footballguy
Sure it is, just like lethal injection for death row inmates.
I've read the owner-turnover rate is about 25% which would mean on average 750,000 dogs each year are turned over by owners and than put to sleep.
Killing a dog is one thing, breeding them for death and torture is entirely different. And that's what we have here.
Keith Lewis
Footballguy
Tillmanisahero
Footballguy
Complete Puke bag....ban him.
My initial response was in regard to the comment that we as Americans love our dogs and silly reference that dog killing was the third worst crime. We as Americans love OUR dogs but we can't really be so much in love with dogs in general otherwise we would not put 3,000,000 to eternal sleep each year.waylander said:
Yenrub
Footballguy
Really? Killing a dog is along the same line as rape, murder or child molestation of a human?
What if he faced the same charges but for a different domesticated animal that isn’t as popular as a dog. Say it was a Hamster fighting ring or a gamecock ring. Would there be this much outrage?
However the media chose to spin it is what would influenced the opinions of a high majority of Americans.
deacon14
Footballguy
This entire story is very disheartening and is of huge proportion. Maybe something good will come out of it for the entire Pit Bull breed. I read that entire 18 page affidavit and was appalled. While it may not be entirely 100% accurate, just imagine the things they didn't discover and aren't attempting to prove. At the very least he was aware of what his minions were doing and that in of itself my friends is DISGUSTING! Let's not forget the immortal words of Clinton Portis, "It's only dog fighting." That's unbelievable also as I'm sure he's watched a dog battle or two as well. These athletes have money falling out their hineys and they can't find anything better to do for kicks. Sad...
Sweat Hog
Footballguy
It's not the animal involved but rather the cruelty and complete lack of feeling involved. And it's not like it was ONE dog or one method of killing. This is multiple occasions in many different ways that were vile and very up close and personal. Would you honestly want someone like this living next door to your family? I'd be pulling up stakes and heading for the hills personally.Again - it's not the "victim" but the depraved mindset it would have to take to participate in this over and over and over again. If you can't see through to the core issue, that's a you problem.
Gotcha. I think they were just trying to make a point, that cruelty to animals may not be rated above all but two other offenses, but it is something that a vast majority of people hate and don't feel there is much gray area on. People view animals, especially dogs as innocent. The same with kids. We do not view other adults that way, thats why it is such a sensitive manner. Violating innocent will have the vast majority of people calling for your head.
Yenrub
Footballguy
Look I am not saying that killing those dogs is acceptable behavior.I just don’t put killing animals in the same class, line or whatever you want to call it as violent crimes against humans.
I am guessing that a lot of people draw lines within the human race.
Man brutally murders another man = Bad
Man brutally murders a woman = Worse
Man brutally murders a child = Worst
Just because someone thinks it worst to murder a child than it is to murder an adult, doesn’t mean they are ok with an adult being murdered.
Would I want someone who was/is capable of being this cruel to animals living next door to me? Of course not. There is a long list of deviants I don’t want living next door to me. I wouldn’t want anyone with Pit bulls living next door to for that matter. (Not saying that Pit Bull owners are deviants just wouldn’t trust them (the dogs) around my kids)
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
There are some crazy people in here. This sort of thinking that it's OK to be involved in dog fighting is the same line of thinking that says it's OK to run people over with cars.
dparker713
Footballguy
Sure its different, but how different is it really than breeding the meanest SOB bulls for the rodeo. Or breeding cats and dogs so much that they're guarentee to suffer due to genetic defects (but they look precious!). Or breeding turkeys so that their physiology is so wacky they can barely stand. These are all a matter of degree and it seems to me alot of the outrage here comes because these were dogs, not just generally animals.waylander said:
dparker713
Footballguy
Umm, I used to pull the legs off daddy long legs all the time, I didnt grow up to kill people. This a socially unacceptable way of killing animals, but its not like killing animals in general is socially unacceptable. Nor really is mistreatment of animals, or do you think chickens enjoy the coups they barely fit in? Fact is, your preconceived notions of what is socially acceptable is the core issue you've been talking about. Killing animals in general is a moral act, and in this case they were killed for a purpose that this society deems unacceptable.
Sweat Hog
Footballguy
Ummm, no preconceived notions here pal. I think the population in general - even those who may not like animals of any kind, believes it takes a pretty sick **ck to electrocute, hang, bludgeon any living thing over and over again for profit. And your example of an insect has got to be a joke right? I mean, you WERE like 8 years old, right? Or are you posting from the psych ward at Bellvue? Core issue is what kind of person does this? Do you want your kids hanging out next door for the pool party/dogfight rodeo? or how about just buying the products he endorses? tremendous message to send your kids. I hope you live where I'm supposing you do - somewhere deep in the sticks.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
I hate to say this.... But I would be that the vast majority of males at some point in thier lives have killed something in an inhumane way...so are we all serial killers or are you overreacting?Sweat Hog said:
Joe T
Footballguy
ORLY? It never ceases to amaze me how a subset of the populace will try to defend and justify ANYTHING, no matter how barbaric. Morality shouldn't even be brought into this because quite frankly, your morals aren't mine. Morality is a philosophical argument. This is about sub-human behavior that is indicative of a very disturbed individual. I could care less what you think is moral. No valid argument could ever be made to defend the type of behavior outlined in the indictment.
And I would disagree. I very seriously doubt that any of my friends have ever done such a thing. I certainly haven't. But judging by the way you presented your point, I'm guessing that you have.
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