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Ir I were close to No. 16, thipnk I might stop being 16's friend at this point. He's shown only the capacity for self desception and self-destruction with no signs of stopping any time soon. Have any of your friends abandoned you yet?

 
Ir I were close to No. 16, thipnk I might stop being 16's friend at this point. He's shown only the capacity for self desception and self-destruction with no signs of stopping any time soon. Have any of your friends abandoned you yet?
Rusty is too ugly to get any other friends.
 
So at this point we have to assume Alyssa is going to go through with the purchase of the house right?

She told 16 to beat it and she's in SoCal to get her stuff. Why lose the escrow if she's got nothing in SF?

 
Any update on your GB and his cheating wife?
They're still "together." Pretty much my GB and his GF are constant on and off relationship that isn't healthy for either. Alyssa and I agree that they should break up bc honestly my GB is a terrible boyfriend from what she has seen and been revealed to her now that she's my GBs GFs roommate.
One cheating girlfriend takes the side of another cheating girlfriend, blaming the guy who didn't cheat? That's surprising.
 
'Tick said:
'No. 16 said:
Any update on your GB and his cheating wife?
They're still "together." Pretty much my GB and his GF are constant on and off relationship that isn't healthy for either. Alyssa and I agree that they should break up bc honestly my GB is a terrible boyfriend from what she has seen and been revealed to her now that she's my GBs GFs roommate.
One cheating girlfriend takes the side of another cheating girlfriend, blaming the guy who didn't cheat? That's surprising.
My GB is a cheater too...but they justify it since they're not officially together although they act like it and he hides thr other chicks he bangs. I've told him for years to break up with her...but he keeps her around bc she stays.
 
'jamny said:
So has she called since she left?Have you answered?I'm betting yes on both since you've been awfully quiet about updates with her since you got back together. It wasn't until probably a week later that we found out about the dinners, neck rubs and hand holding...and denial of sex.
No calls.
 
'jamny said:
So has she called since she left?Have you answered?I'm betting yes on both since you've been awfully quiet about updates with her since you got back together. It wasn't until probably a week later that we found out about the dinners, neck rubs and hand holding...and denial of sex.
No calls.
Texts/emails?
 
'Tick said:
'No. 16 said:
Any update on your GB and his cheating wife?
They're still "together." Pretty much my GB and his GF are constant on and off relationship that isn't healthy for either. Alyssa and I agree that they should break up bc honestly my GB is a terrible boyfriend from what she has seen and been revealed to her now that she's my GBs GFs roommate.
One cheating girlfriend takes the side of another cheating girlfriend, blaming the guy who didn't cheat? That's surprising.
My GB is a cheater too...but they justify it since they're not officially together although they act like it and he hides thr other chicks he bangs. I've told him for years to break up with her...but he keeps her around bc she stays.
Ah, in that case, it's good they're together so they aren't cheating on people with souls.
 
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Yeah, I gotta say this is different than just a normal single 27-year old with a solid job partying it up. No one would care. But 16 got his heart broken, IMMEDIATELY got a DUI and banged a cokehead without a rubber.

And 8 months later, not much has changed.

If you have your #### together, then you can party till the cows come home. But 16 clearly doesn't have his #### together.
That's all I'm saying. When stuff goes crazy, I'm the first to say "spend a night getting hammered." But then you get your house in order.
:goodposting: It's the timeframe that this type of behavior has occurred that is worrisome. I mentioned it a while ago that he should take even a small break (1-2 months) from drinking, partying, drugging it up and just work on himself. Work on being a better person. Based on the recent set of events, texts, and conversations, that just went out the window but, of course, he isn't doing this "all the time" so there isn't an issue, apparently.

Everyone approved of this behavior 1 month after breaking up. Still so 2 months after breaking up. Even at 3 months it's fine. It's now 8 months later, you're no better off and I'd argue you're even worse off and keep making excuses for why your behavior is appropriate.

So yeah, keep trying to make up for lost time by living it up. If you had it under control and were on the right path, then I'd argue that it's fine to do so. But, overall picture from an outside perspective, you have absolutely no control over your current situation and are just flailing without any direction. You simply don't see it. There have been some FANTASTIC posts above and the recommendation to go see a therapist at a minimum and better yet, a psychiatrist, are spot-on. I'm amazed some of your close friends and family haven't done the same, but then again, they've allowed you to continue with your current behavior without punching you in the nuts so I wouldn't expect much more anyway.

No one here is wishing you bad stuff. A lot of people have actually tried to help you and spent time responding in a manner that would try and get through to you. You've effectively managed to ignore virtually every good piece of advice in this thread for months now and have suffered the consequences of that many times over. It's truly amazing.

At this point, I read this thread for entertainment value only. It's sad because you seem like a good guy that just needs a little help and direction to get back on track. This thread could have provided that and yet you seem to know better than the overwhelming unanimous advice at every turn. While I'd like to see you get better, I've completely given up hope that's going to happen any time soon.
I appreciate the concern and the advice but maybe my family and friends haven't done or said anything because everything is ok?The DUI was a big eye opener and after that I realized I needed to stop partying the way I was. Since then we'll have to agree to disagree in regards to my "partying". Go back and plot the times I discuss partying and you'll see it isn't that much. I pretty much lay low and save money for my trios to Hawaii and Vegas so far. Then I party like crazy over there.

Working on myself? I've been working out 3x or more per week. I read on my free time and am starting to learn Spanish.

Sure I can see if you read this thread only why things seems crazy, but I assure you aside from stupidly chasing Alyssa everything else is going great. If you want I can post all the boring stuff I do a majority of the time so you can see how much "control" I have in the other aspects of my life.

 
I don't follow this thread that closely, but I would appreciate it if you would indulge this question:

What were your partying habits like before Alyssa?

 
I appreciate the concern and the advice but maybe my family and friends haven't done or said anything because everything is ok?
Maybe. Does your life feel totally okay?
The DUI was a big eye opener and after that I realized I needed to stop partying the way I was. Since then we'll have to agree to disagree in regards to my "partying". Go back and plot the times I discuss partying and you'll see it isn't that much. I pretty much lay low and save money for my trios to Hawaii and Vegas so far. Then I party like crazy over there.
Unless someone's getting married. Then you need lots of drugs to help them celebrate their love.
Working on myself? I've been working out 3x or more per week. I read on my free time and am starting to learn Spanish.
If anyone thought your problems were confined to not being strong enough and not knowing enough foreign languages, that would be relevant. You don't just need to work on random things, you need to work on the things that will help you deal with the problems you're actually having.
Sure I can see if you read this thread only why things seems crazy, but I assure you aside from stupidly chasing Alyssa everything else is going great. If you want I can post all the boring stuff I do a majority of the time so you can see how much "control" I have in the other aspects of my life.
Your life is not going to be much fun with your personal life being a complete wreck, but having lots of Spanish classes.My concern is this:16: X is happening in my life. I feel like Y.FFA: X is pretty messed up. You need to work on X. Also, if you feel like Y a lot, you should probably speak to a professional.16: X doesn't happen all the time. And I only feel like Y when X is happening, so it's not that big a deal.FFA: You brought up X. You brought up Y. They're clearly important enough to talk to about strangers. I'm surprised that people in your real life aren't bringing this up to you.16: It's really not a big deal. My life is great. I'm working out a lot and taking Spanish classes.You're bringing up problems for validation and sympathy, but when people bring up very legitimate concerns that you really should be addressing in your life, you downplay everything you've been talking about for... let me make sure I have this right... 95 pages, including 655 posts of your own in this thread.
 
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I've not followed this thread, but I am intrigued because of the page length, which is also very daunting.Can somebody please give me some notes from Cliff?
-16's gf of 7 years wanders off to Vegas and decides to start banging a Personal Trainer (PT) because 16 isn't doing it for her anymore. They live together, she's moving out, and he's keeping the dog. From here on she's referred to as Coral.-16 asks the FFA who has gotten back with a gf that cheated and made it work?-FFA piles on, walk away, she’s not worth it.-Coral takes PT to HI on their anniversary trip and has hot and heavy sexy time in place of 16.-16 moves on under FFA advice and bangs a coke dealer from HI w/out protection-16 hires a hooker w/ protection-16 attempts to hook up with some other chicks along the way, but doesn't-16 get's a DWI and a blow-thingy on his ignition-Coral manipulates 16 in some kind of wacky ways because he obtained ownership of their dog to see the dog.-16 uses the term "crackin" in reference to dancing and clubbing.-16 bangs a Philipino chick because his buddy hooked him up on their trip to HI.-For 5 months 16 has been advised on how to move on, and he consistently does the opposite.-16 Goes to Vegas and drops some molly’s.-16 goes to his best friend’s wedding and makes fun of how all of his friends are dressed, but notes that he is "crackin" and that Coral isn't having as good a time as he is. And drops some more molly’s.-July, … 16 pretty much spent the month figuring out how to rebound with Coral.-16 admit's all he want's is a 2nd chance with coral and the wedding was his target for this. He’s willing to forgo the cheating as long as it feels right.-16 get's #### on-Coral and 16 spend some time together. She rubs his feet and neck.-16 get's #### on again-Coral ####'s on 16 a couple more times.-16 calls Coral a whore and threatens to tell PT, but chickens out.-16 admits that he knew about PT from the get go and that his only intention with the entire thread was to get back with that two timing whore that he started out with.*-16 Acts like he's done, but we all know he's just waiting for Coral to initiate contact.As it stands now:16: Working on his OKCupid profile. (for the last 8 months)Coral: Pissed off at 16 so she can bang the PT every/any which way he wants.PT: Tired of Coral but willing to throw it at her as long as she's willing to travel to SoCal.*Note: For those late to the thread, Coral cheated on her previous bf with 16, then cheated on 16 with PT, then cheated back on PT with 16. She's a cheatin' whore.
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I appreciate the concern and the advice but maybe my family and friends haven't done or said anything because everything is ok?
Maybe. Does your life feel totally okay?
The DUI was a big eye opener and after that I realized I needed to stop partying the way I was. Since then we'll have to agree to disagree in regards to my "partying". Go back and plot the times I discuss partying and you'll see it isn't that much. I pretty much lay low and save money for my trios to Hawaii and Vegas so far. Then I party like crazy over there.
Unless someone's getting married. Then you need lots of drugs to help them celebrate their love.
Working on myself? I've been working out 3x or more per week. I read on my free time and am starting to learn Spanish.
If anyone thought your problems were confined to not being strong enough and not knowing enough foreign languages, that would be relevant. You don't just need to work on random things, you need to work on the things that will help you deal with the problems you're actually having.
Sure I can see if you read this thread only why things seems crazy, but I assure you aside from stupidly chasing Alyssa everything else is going great. If you want I can post all the boring stuff I do a majority of the time so you can see how much "control" I have in the other aspects of my life.
Your life is not going to be much fun with your personal life being a complete wreck, but having lots of Spanish classes.My concern is this:16: X is happening in my life. I feel like Y.FFA: X is pretty messed up. You need to work on X. Also, if you feel like Y a lot, you should probably speak to a professional.16: X doesn't happen all the time. And I only feel like Y when X is happening, so it's not that big a deal.FFA: You brought up X. You brought up Y. They're clearly important enough to talk to about strangers. I'm surprised that people in your real life aren't bringing this up to you.16: It's really not a big deal. My life is great. I'm working out a lot and taking Spanish classes.You're bringing up problems for validation and sympathy, but when people bring up very legitimate concerns that you really should be addressing in your life, you downplay everything you've been talking about for... let me make sure I have this right... 95 pages, including 655 posts of your own in this thread.
I don't write here for validation or sympathy. I write here because the act of writing my thoughts out is therapy. It helps me vent. I could write in a journal if it made you feel better about my life, but I figure why not share with the FFA? I share it with you guys for entertainment purposes and like I said many times before... I just like hearing other peoples opinions and thoughts. If I were seeking validation and sympathy would I continue posting despite the abuse I take in this thread? I post because it helps me relax and because you guys find it entertaining. I can assure you my life is under control aside from this whole Alyssa business. You may not believe me, but it is. Again, I appreciate the concern and advice so keep it coming but I when I have real problems I turn to my family before I turn to the FFA. Also, I don't drink booze anymore when something goes wrong. I just write my thoughts here and that helps me deal with it instead of turning to booze like I did earlier.
 
I appreciate the concern and the advice but maybe my family and friends haven't done or said anything because everything is ok?
Maybe. Does your life feel totally okay?
The DUI was a big eye opener and after that I realized I needed to stop partying the way I was. Since then we'll have to agree to disagree in regards to my "partying". Go back and plot the times I discuss partying and you'll see it isn't that much. I pretty much lay low and save money for my trios to Hawaii and Vegas so far. Then I party like crazy over there.
Unless someone's getting married. Then you need lots of drugs to help them celebrate their love.
Working on myself? I've been working out 3x or more per week. I read on my free time and am starting to learn Spanish.
If anyone thought your problems were confined to not being strong enough and not knowing enough foreign languages, that would be relevant. You don't just need to work on random things, you need to work on the things that will help you deal with the problems you're actually having.
Sure I can see if you read this thread only why things seems crazy, but I assure you aside from stupidly chasing Alyssa everything else is going great. If you want I can post all the boring stuff I do a majority of the time so you can see how much "control" I have in the other aspects of my life.
Your life is not going to be much fun with your personal life being a complete wreck, but having lots of Spanish classes.My concern is this:16: X is happening in my life. I feel like Y.FFA: X is pretty messed up. You need to work on X. Also, if you feel like Y a lot, you should probably speak to a professional.16: X doesn't happen all the time. And I only feel like Y when X is happening, so it's not that big a deal.FFA: You brought up X. You brought up Y. They're clearly important enough to talk to about strangers. I'm surprised that people in your real life aren't bringing this up to you.16: It's really not a big deal. My life is great. I'm working out a lot and taking Spanish classes.You're bringing up problems for validation and sympathy, but when people bring up very legitimate concerns that you really should be addressing in your life, you downplay everything you've been talking about for... let me make sure I have this right... 95 pages, including 655 posts of your own in this thread.
I don't write here for validation or sympathy. I write here because the act of writing my thoughts out is therapy. It helps me vent. I could write in a journal if it made you feel better about my life, but I figure why not share with the FFA? I share it with you guys for entertainment purposes and like I said many times before... I just like hearing other peoples opinions and thoughts. If I were seeking validation and sympathy would I continue posting despite the abuse I take in this thread? I post because it helps me relax and because you guys find it entertaining. I can assure you my life is under control aside from this whole Alyssa business. You may not believe me, but it is. Again, I appreciate the concern and advice so keep it coming but I when I have real problems I turn to my family before I turn to the FFA. Also, I don't drink booze anymore when something goes wrong. I just write my thoughts here and that helps me deal with it instead of turning to booze like I did earlier.
please continue to post here. we appreciate the entertainment.
 
'jamny said:
So has she called since she left?Have you answered?I'm betting yes on both since you've been awfully quiet about updates with her since you got back together. It wasn't until probably a week later that we found out about the dinners, neck rubs and hand holding...and denial of sex.
No calls.
BAMP! The correct answer was, "I don't know, I blocked her #." You've done that, right? Please?
 
My concern is this:16: X is happening in my life. I feel like Y.FFA: X is pretty messed up. You need to work on X. Also, if you feel like Y a lot, you should probably speak to a professional.16: X doesn't happen all the time. And I only feel like Y when X is happening, so it's not that big a deal.FFA: You brought up X. You brought up Y. They're clearly important enough to talk to about strangers. I'm surprised that people in your real life aren't bringing this up to you.16: It's really not a big deal. My life is great. I'm working out a lot and taking Spanish classes.You're bringing up problems for validation and sympathy, but when people bring up very legitimate concerns that you really should be addressing in your life, you downplay everything you've been talking about for... let me make sure I have this right... 95 pages, including 655 posts of your own in this thread.
Yeah, you don't speak for the FFA. Hell, the FFA can't even agree on scientific facts. Sure, some of you think he's out of control and partying way too much, but for a single employed guy in a large, liberal city - he's hardly detailed enough partying to raise my eyebrows.
 
My concern is this:16: X is happening in my life. I feel like Y.FFA: X is pretty messed up. You need to work on X. Also, if you feel like Y a lot, you should probably speak to a professional.16: X doesn't happen all the time. And I only feel like Y when X is happening, so it's not that big a deal.FFA: You brought up X. You brought up Y. They're clearly important enough to talk to about strangers. I'm surprised that people in your real life aren't bringing this up to you.16: It's really not a big deal. My life is great. I'm working out a lot and taking Spanish classes.You're bringing up problems for validation and sympathy, but when people bring up very legitimate concerns that you really should be addressing in your life, you downplay everything you've been talking about for... let me make sure I have this right... 95 pages, including 655 posts of your own in this thread.
Yeah, you don't speak for the FFA. Hell, the FFA can't even agree on scientific facts. Sure, some of you think he's out of control and partying way too much, but for a single employed guy in a large, liberal city - he's hardly detailed enough partying to raise my eyebrows.
Agreed, it's in the gray area, I tend to lean towards it's not that big of deal. However, the FFA is 100% unanimous on the fact he needs to stop all communication with her and move on, so that tells you something, yet he continues to defy logic and ignore this once-in-a-bluemoon event (agreement within the FFA).
 
Dude, you seriously need to get your head around the Roosh, etc. manosphere stuff and out of the clouds. There is no "the one", only chicks who you can make a life with and those who you can't. Coralyssa is bat-#### crazy, don't look back no matter how hot she is. As Silent Bob said in Clerks "..there's a million fine looking women in this world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of them just cheat on you."Truer words have not been said. Seriously, read up on what "alpha" means. I'm rooting for you but you are the definition of beta, no wonder you're more like her brother than a boyfriend, or gay friend you hold hands with. Get some 'tude and stop being such a nice guy. We really are all rooting for you. Now, come back to the x-fit thread and get WOD-drunk instead of real drunk.
Reading all that PUA/alpha/beta talk is partly what drove me to give her a 2nd chance. Between reading that viewpoint of women, experiencing the cheating first hand, and reading all these divorce threads it seems like most women will just cheat anyways no matter what. So I figured, why bother with someone new? Why not try and fix what I know and what was generally a good thing before the cheating?I wanted to try and lock it down with Alyssa (stable job) instead of having to possibly go back out there as a 27 year old with no career.
I wanted to reply to this earlier but was traveling. I think you seriously missed the point :whoosh: of MMSL, Roosh, Roissy, etc. if that (what you said above) is what you took from their message. Their message is basically A) don't put the ##### on the pedestal (one-itis her) and B) if she's not doing everything she can to be a good partner you kick her to the curb, which shouldn't be hard if you're following A). And yeah, there are divorce threads and TalkAboutMarriage and MMSL where people try and work it out after an affair, but the stakes are SO much higher with kids, a shared house, shared expenses, etc. that it makes trying to work it out worth it. You lump a long college-post college relationship in with marriages and I'm not sure you're getting how the stakes are different (especially with kids). Your Romeo/Juliet star-crossed lover fantasy falls apart since Juliet never banged a PT and Romeo never nice-guyed his way into the third wheel. For your situation, I'd be running not walking away as fast as possible from this situation. Just cut bait man. Based on the info you've provided, she's never really sincerely apologized for the cheating and as far as we know she's still with the guy. You're in the friend zone now bud, hope you like neck rubs.I'd concur with the others to get some help. I think you might have some serious self esteem issues if you are letting her cuckold you like this. You honestly seem like a good guy who has a lot going for himself and deserve better. Read my Silent Bob quote again (and LOL about her positive/negative traits that you posted!) We've said it 1000 times already :deadhorse: , but cut off all contact with this broad, time to turn the page on this chapter of your life... and take off the goggles when reading the Manosphere stuff and you might just take a different message away than what you did. The red pill is bitter, but the change in perspective will make life better for you in the long run. Good luck
 
Armchair Psych analysis: You suffer from codependecy IMHO

Deal with that first...

Once you've dealt with that (read a book or two on the subject, or better yet see a professional) and you reach a point where you are able to look at things with unclouded judgment, then be honest and identify what to stay away from moving forward.

You come from a strong family background and are looking forward to building your own, modeled after the lessons and examples in your own upbringing. There's nothing wrong with that, but there is something wrong with becoming a human floormat to a mismatched partner in making that attempt. You can keep telling us how perfect your ex was, but that's not dealing in reality mi amigo.

There were plenty of warning signs from the very start that Coralyssa was a ticking relationship time-bomb. Wimmens who come from emotionally detached and/or broken families, and who have siblings who can't hold down healthy relationships either, are demonstrating to you what they've never learned in their own life/upbringing. i.e. what their role in a loving, respectful, monogamous, built-to-last relationship is. No one taught them what the real thing looks like and how they should be treating their own mate and children. They just don't have the same values and life lessons that you do (although they may convince you otherwise!), and they will ultimate bring their dysfunction into your relationship, it's just a matter of time.

There are a few exceptions to the rule, but generally speaking "damaged goods" aren't what you should be looking for in building your own future family. Be thankful that you are getting to learn this lesson before saying "I do" to the wrong woman and after you've got a mortgage and kids to deal with on top of the emotional devastation. You are lucky that things went down this way...

 
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I don't follow this thread that closely, but I would appreciate it if you would indulge this question:What were your partying habits like before Alyssa?
I met her when I was 19 so before than I would assume I partied about as much as any HS teenager who wasn't on 24/7 lockdown or getting in trouble with the law. Had fun my first year of college doing what college freshman do so nothing out of the ordinary. I like to think of myself as a responsible person. I mean I'm 27 with no debt and a stable career. I had my fun but I take care of business.
 
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All you psychiatrists need to settle down.

No. 16 is an immature 27 year old that was a giant imbecile regarding a very painful breakup. He clung to it for 8 months or so. He's basically just now cutting the cord( :rolleyes: we'll see). If he continues in a downward spiral from here on out there will be cause for concern.

And All the sanctimonious bull#### regarding his DUI, partying etc is way over the top IMHO. Any of us that have ever had 3-4 drinks in 2-3 hours and drove home were legally drunk driving, or were right at the legal limit. unless you're a fat ###. He's dropped e twice, once at a stupid ### rave in Vegas(free pass)

As long as he finally moves on now, I think he's doin just fine.

And he's got giant balls for exposing himself here for constant abuse.

Drink offer still stands bro.

 
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I've not followed this thread, but I am intrigued because of the page length, which is also very daunting.Can somebody please give me some notes from Cliff?
-16's gf of 7 years wanders off to Vegas and decides to start banging a Personal Trainer (PT) because 16 isn't doing it for her anymore. They live together, she's moving out, and he's keeping the dog. From here on she's referred to as Coral.-16 asks the FFA who has gotten back with a gf that cheated and made it work?-FFA piles on, walk away, she’s not worth it.-Coral takes PT to HI on their anniversary trip and has hot and heavy sexy time in place of 16.-16 moves on under FFA advice and bangs a coke dealer from HI w/out protection-16 hires a hooker w/ protection-16 attempts to hook up with some other chicks along the way, but doesn't-16 get's a DWI and a blow-thingy on his ignition-Coral manipulates 16 in some kind of wacky ways because he obtained ownership of their dog to see the dog.-16 uses the term "crackin" in reference to dancing and clubbing.-16 bangs a Philipino chick because his buddy hooked him up on their trip to HI.-For 5 months 16 has been advised on how to move on, and he consistently does the opposite.-16 Goes to Vegas and drops some molly’s.-16 goes to his best friend’s wedding and makes fun of how all of his friends are dressed, but notes that he is "crackin" and that Coral isn't having as good a time as he is. And drops some more molly’s.-July, … 16 pretty much spent the month figuring out how to rebound with Coral.-16 admit's all he want's is a 2nd chance with coral and the wedding was his target for this. He’s willing to forgo the cheating as long as it feels right.-16 get's #### on-Coral and 16 spend some time together. She rubs his feet and neck.-16 get's #### on again-Coral ####'s on 16 a couple more times.-16 calls Coral a whore and threatens to tell PT, but chickens out.-16 admits that he knew about PT from the get go and that his only intention with the entire thread was to get back with that two timing whore that he started out with.*-16 Acts like he's done, but we all know he's just waiting for Coral to initiate contact.As it stands now:16: Working on his OKCupid profile. (for the last 8 months)Coral: Pissed off at 16 so she can bang the PT every/any which way he wants.PT: Tired of Coral but willing to throw it at her as long as she's willing to travel to SoCal.*Note: For those late to the thread, Coral cheated on her previous bf with 16, then cheated on 16 with PT, then cheated back on PT with 16. She's a cheatin' whore.
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Yeah, that took some work, and was really well done.I think some more drinking probably should have made the list, though.
 
All you psychiatrists need to settle down.

No. 16 is an immature 27 year old that was a giant imbecile regarding a very painful breakup. He clung to it for 8 months or so. He's basically just now cutting the cord( :rolleyes: we'll see). If he continues in a downward spiral from here on out there will be cause for concern.

And All the sanctimonious bull#### regarding his DUI, partying etc is way over the top IMHO. Any of us that have ever had 3-4 drinks in 2-3 hours and drove home were legally drunk driving, or were right at the legal limit. unless you're a fat ###. He's dropped e twice, once at a stupid ### rave in Vegas(free pass)

As long as he finally moves on now, I think he's doin just fine.

And he's got giant balls for exposing himself here for constant abuse.

Drink offer still stands bro.
what happened to banging fatties? :confused:
 
All you psychiatrists need to settle down.

No. 16 is an immature 27 year old that was a giant imbecile regarding a very painful breakup. He clung to it for 8 months or so. He's basically just now cutting the cord( :rolleyes: we'll see). If he continues in a downward spiral from here on out there will be cause for concern.

And All the sanctimonious bull#### regarding his DUI, partying etc is way over the top IMHO. Any of us that have ever had 3-4 drinks in 2-3 hours and drove home were legally drunk driving, or were right at the legal limit. unless you're a fat ###. He's dropped e twice, once at a stupid ### rave in Vegas(free pass)

As long as he finally moves on now, I think he's doin just fine.

And he's got giant balls for exposing himself here for constant abuse.

Drink offer still stands bro.
what happened to banging fatties? :confused:
it's one of his biggest failures to date. some super cute, bubbly, sweet girl would do WONDERS for our hero. i've been advocating it for months. but listening isn't a strong suit of our boy.
 
I've not followed this thread, but I am intrigued because of the page length, which is also very daunting.Can somebody please give me some notes from Cliff?
-16's gf of 7 years wanders off to Vegas and decides to start banging a Personal Trainer (PT) because 16 isn't doing it for her anymore. They live together, she's moving out, and he's keeping the dog. From here on she's referred to as Coral.-16 asks the FFA who has gotten back with a gf that cheated and made it work?-FFA piles on, walk away, she’s not worth it.-Coral takes PT to HI on their anniversary trip and has hot and heavy sexy time in place of 16.-16 moves on under FFA advice and bangs a coke dealer from HI w/out protection-16 hires a hooker w/ protection-16 attempts to hook up with some other chicks along the way, but doesn't-16 get's a DWI and a blow-thingy on his ignition-Coral manipulates 16 in some kind of wacky ways because he obtained ownership of their dog to see the dog.-16 uses the term "crackin" in reference to dancing and clubbing.-16 bangs a Philipino chick because his buddy hooked him up on their trip to HI.-For 5 months 16 has been advised on how to move on, and he consistently does the opposite.-16 Goes to Vegas and drops some molly’s.-16 goes to his best friend’s wedding and makes fun of how all of his friends are dressed, but notes that he is "crackin" and that Coral isn't having as good a time as he is. And drops some more molly’s.-July, … 16 pretty much spent the month figuring out how to rebound with Coral.-16 admit's all he want's is a 2nd chance with coral and the wedding was his target for this. He’s willing to forgo the cheating as long as it feels right.-16 get's #### on-Coral and 16 spend some time together. She rubs his feet and neck.-16 get's #### on again-Coral ####'s on 16 a couple more times.-16 calls Coral a whore and threatens to tell PT, but chickens out.-16 admits that he knew about PT from the get go and that his only intention with the entire thread was to get back with that two timing whore that he started out with.*-16 Acts like he's done, but we all know he's just waiting for Coral to initiate contact.As it stands now:16: Working on his OKCupid profile. (for the last 8 months)Coral: Pissed off at 16 so she can bang the PT every/any which way he wants.PT: Tired of Coral but willing to throw it at her as long as she's willing to travel to SoCal.*Note: For those late to the thread, Coral cheated on her previous bf with 16, then cheated on 16 with PT, then cheated back on PT with 16. She's a cheatin' whore.
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Yeah, that took some work, and was really well done.I think some more drinking probably should have made the list, though.
Yeah, by the time I got to "16 get's #### on" I was just trying to end it. Left out a lot about the texting and his denial of what her motives were. The STD accusation and non-apology should've gotten a mention too. She's a real piece of work.
 
My concern is this:

16: X is happening in my life. I feel like Y.

FFA: X is pretty messed up. You need to work on X. Also, if you feel like Y a lot, you should probably speak to a professional.

16: X doesn't happen all the time. And I only feel like Y when X is happening, so it's not that big a deal.

FFA: You brought up X. You brought up Y. They're clearly important enough to talk to about strangers. I'm surprised that people in your real life aren't bringing this up to you.

16: It's really not a big deal. My life is great. I'm working out a lot and taking Spanish classes.

You're bringing up problems for validation and sympathy, but when people bring up very legitimate concerns that you really should be addressing in your life, you downplay everything you've been talking about for... let me make sure I have this right... 95 pages, including 655 posts of your own in this thread.
Yeah, you don't speak for the FFA. Hell, the FFA can't even agree on scientific facts. Sure, some of you think he's out of control and partying way too much, but for a single employed guy in a large, liberal city - he's hardly detailed enough partying to raise my eyebrows.
"Yeah," I missed the part of what you quoted that included the word partying.No, not everyone thinks he's partying too much. But the overwhelming majority of people in this thread think something messed up is going on. Hence my using "X" rather than a specific thing. Some people think it's just that he's putting his ex on a pedestal, some people think it's his partying, but most everyone seems to believe that spending months obsessing about this woman is bad for him. I suppose I could well be wrong. No one seems particularly supportive of him chatting with/staying with/calling/texting/etc. his ex in my opinion.

 
All you can do is trust her. She really is everything you could look for in a partner. She could be sincere in her efforts and actions to work things out. You'll find out soon enough.

 
Text 2:1Phone call 3:1He proposed 9:1They had sex 16:1Rusty gave him oral 17:1
Stayed tuned. DO NOT miss the next update.
12:1 she comes clean about everything and begs him to take her back
I think it is pretty obvious that she texted him, he pretended to have the upperhand, and they are going to work on things.
 

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