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I would love this guy at 2:13 for the Rams.
rd 1) Julio Jones
rd 2) LeShoure
rd 1) Julio Jones
rd 2) LeShoure
I watched that for two minutes and didn't see him break any tackles. He looks like he runs upright to me as well. How tall is he? Reminds me a bit of James Starks in pads.Full disclosure I am higher on Ryan Williams than most. I think he is nearly as good as Ingram and I think Ingram will be a top 10 RB talent in the NFL, but I'm beginning to think LeShoure could be the best RB in this draft. I really like the top three RB's this year. If you haven"t watched this LeShoure highlight video, you are in for a treat. He has great lateral quickness and burst for a 230 pounder and he shows nice hands out of the backfield (not the endzone catches..those were easy). I see a lot of Steven Jackson in this guy.
Even at 230 he's not as big as those guys. I think the best comp probably Shaun Alexander. i.e. good, and could be great in a perfect situation.I admit to having never watched him play, but from the YouTube clip, I'd compare him to the better days of M. Lynch or McGahee. Not as talented as Jamal Lewis and probably less than Michael Turner. Would that be close?
I'm starting to think that this is going to be an excellent class.Ingram and Leshoure both look like legit starting RB's. Ryan Williams has the potential to be as good or better than them both. I'm a big fan of Kendall Hunter too. Throw in two of the best WR's we've had in a few years, and I love this draft.
This is my beef with him. So many of those runs, he was untouched. Which is great, in a way, obviously. He has good cuts and redirection abilities. But, damn...he goes down pretty easy on any contact.Not going to make it in the NFL.Full disclosure I am higher on Ryan Williams than most. I think he is nearly as good as Ingram and I think Ingram will be a top 10 RB talent in the NFL, but I'm beginning to think LeShoure could be the best RB in this draft. I really like the top three RB's this year. If you haven"t watched this LeShoure highlight video, you are in for a treat. He has great lateral quickness and burst for a 230 pounder and he shows nice hands out of the backfield (not the endzone catches..those were easy). I see a lot of Steven Jackson in this guy.
If he finds the right system, he could be a solid pro. It needs to be a one cut and he needs to be in a shared situation but the guy can make a move with the best of em. After watching 3 minutes of that clip I came away with 1. good cuts 2. gets caught from behind 3. goes down to easy for a man his size.TomFull disclosure I am higher on Ryan Williams than most. I think he is nearly as good as Ingram and I think Ingram will be a top 10 RB talent in the NFL, but I'm beginning to think LeShoure could be the best RB in this draft. I really like the top three RB's this year. If you haven"t watched this LeShoure highlight video, you are in for a treat. He has great lateral quickness and burst for a 230 pounder and he shows nice hands out of the backfield (not the endzone catches..those were easy). I see a lot of Steven Jackson in this guy.
Who is number 1?(I've got the 1.01 and 1.02 picks this year).1) People need to stop comparing every big back in this draft to Jamal Lewis2) Please, please, please stop talking about LeShoure. It is clear that he is way inferior to a lot of the other backs in this draft and also CLEAR that AJ Green is the no.2 guy to have in this draft.
Without hesitation, I would take Ingram and AJ Green (no matter where he goes).Who is number 1?(I've got the 1.01 and 1.02 picks this year).1) People need to stop comparing every big back in this draft to Jamal Lewis2) Please, please, please stop talking about LeShoure. It is clear that he is way inferior to a lot of the other backs in this draft and also CLEAR that AJ Green is the no.2 guy to have in this draft.
Ingram is 1.. Green is 2..In no specific order: Jones, LeShoure, and Matthews should be the next 3 (barring combine blunders..)Daniel Thomas is a wasted first round pick for someone... Funny thing is I've heard people ranking him around 1.05...Who is number 1?(I've got the 1.01 and 1.02 picks this year).1) People need to stop comparing every big back in this draft to Jamal Lewis2) Please, please, please stop talking about LeShoure. It is clear that he is way inferior to a lot of the other backs in this draft and also CLEAR that AJ Green is the no.2 guy to have in this draft.
You'd think he could break a tackle or two. Hard to survive in this league if you're avoiding contact at 230+ lbs.I think what draws comparisons to Dwyer is all the hype Lammey gave this guy last year. Or was it Bloom? Either way, both seem to have similar career trajectories, except that LeShoure will be taken higher.LeShoure's speed and style will draw alot of comparisions to Dwyer, especially from his detractors.. But I like this kid, he seems to change leg and footing position in mid run similar to Ingram, he doesn't have the cutting ability that Ingram has but he does change direction well for someone his size..He also carried 230lbs very well.. He could probably put more on if he wanted, but 230 is already a good size load.
Again... I think the best comps are Shaun Alexander and Larry Johnson. Pretty big guys that were really good in space, but didn't really use their bulk as a weapon and avoided contact for the most part.You'd think he could break a tackle or two. Hard to survive in this league if you're avoiding contact at 230+ lbs.
The Daniel Thomas thread has him compared to Jamal Lewis too. I was more or less joking on both points. There isn't a back I can hate on too much in this draft I really like Demarco Murray, LeShoure, Williams, Bilal Powell and (obviously) Ingram. This is a good draft to stock up at RB.He's the only back in this draft or any other I would compare to Lewis based on his short strides and upright straight ahead style and size.I thought the title of the thread was LeShoure not who everyone likes at number 2![]()
Was Lammey I'm pretty sure..But if you watch them both play.. very similar style.. and playing speed..You'd think he could break a tackle or two. Hard to survive in this league if you're avoiding contact at 230+ lbs.I think what draws comparisons to Dwyer is all the hype Lammey gave this guy last year. Or was it Bloom? Either way, both seem to have similar career trajectories, except that LeShoure will be taken higher.LeShoure's speed and style will draw alot of comparisions to Dwyer, especially from his detractors.. But I like this kid, he seems to change leg and footing position in mid run similar to Ingram, he doesn't have the cutting ability that Ingram has but he does change direction well for someone his size..
He also carried 230lbs very well.. He could probably put more on if he wanted, but 230 is already a good size load.
Dwyer hasn't really had the chance to fail yet despite his draft fall... It definitely isn't promising to get that label but there were factors both on and off the field that caused Dwyer to fall. LeShoure played primarily in a Shotgun O and doesn't have the concerns the Wishbone gave to Dwyer.Was Lammey I'm pretty sure..But if you watch them both play.. very similar style.. and playing speed..You'd think he could break a tackle or two. Hard to survive in this league if you're avoiding contact at 230+ lbs.I think what draws comparisons to Dwyer is all the hype Lammey gave this guy last year. Or was it Bloom? Either way, both seem to have similar career trajectories, except that LeShoure will be taken higher.LeShoure's speed and style will draw alot of comparisions to Dwyer, especially from his detractors.. But I like this kid, he seems to change leg and footing position in mid run similar to Ingram, he doesn't have the cutting ability that Ingram has but he does change direction well for someone his size..
He also carried 230lbs very well.. He could probably put more on if he wanted, but 230 is already a good size load.
I agree that Dwyer hasn't failed yet... But if he was as talented as everyone was hoping for before the combine last year.. He would have shown some of that talent during 2010.. He my have a fine career, but at this point it's not looking like a fantastic one..Dwyer hasn't really had the chance to fail yet despite his draft fall... It definitely isn't promising to get that label but there were factors both on and off the field that caused Dwyer to fall. LeShoure played primarily in a Shotgun O and doesn't have the concerns the Wishbone gave to Dwyer.Was Lammey I'm pretty sure..But if you watch them both play.. very similar style.. and playing speed..You'd think he could break a tackle or two. Hard to survive in this league if you're avoiding contact at 230+ lbs.I think what draws comparisons to Dwyer is all the hype Lammey gave this guy last year. Or was it Bloom? Either way, both seem to have similar career trajectories, except that LeShoure will be taken higher.LeShoure's speed and style will draw alot of comparisions to Dwyer, especially from his detractors.. But I like this kid, he seems to change leg and footing position in mid run similar to Ingram, he doesn't have the cutting ability that Ingram has but he does change direction well for someone his size..
He also carried 230lbs very well.. He could probably put more on if he wanted, but 230 is already a good size load.
I was also definitely high on Dwyer based on his college tape. I think he fell due to some concerns about a medical condition, his approach/dedication to football/work ethic, and the concerns about a pretty dramatic adjustment from his wishbone FB position to NFL RB. I still stand by the observations on tape that Dwyer has an ideal NFL RB build and his combination of power, balance, and burst could be Jonathan Stewart-esque - obviously the doubt-creating factors were underestimated/unknown by those of us that were high on him, but Dwyer did at least avoid getting cut despite a camp that drew mixed reviews at best - so there is something there the Steelers see as worth patience and development. I won't be surprised if Dwyer never has a carry in the NFL, but if he can stay dedicated to the game, he will make an impact when he earns a spot on the field.I agree that Dwyer hasn't failed yet... But if he was as talented as everyone was hoping for before the combine last year.. He would have shown some of that talent during 2010.. He my have a fine career, but at this point it's not looking like a fantastic one..Dwyer hasn't really had the chance to fail yet despite his draft fall... It definitely isn't promising to get that label but there were factors both on and off the field that caused Dwyer to fall. LeShoure played primarily in a Shotgun O and doesn't have the concerns the Wishbone gave to Dwyer.Was Lammey I'm pretty sure..But if you watch them both play.. very similar style.. and playing speed..You'd think he could break a tackle or two. Hard to survive in this league if you're avoiding contact at 230+ lbs.I think what draws comparisons to Dwyer is all the hype Lammey gave this guy last year. Or was it Bloom? Either way, both seem to have similar career trajectories, except that LeShoure will be taken higher.LeShoure's speed and style will draw alot of comparisions to Dwyer, especially from his detractors.. But I like this kid, he seems to change leg and footing position in mid run similar to Ingram, he doesn't have the cutting ability that Ingram has but he does change direction well for someone his size..
He also carried 230lbs very well.. He could probably put more on if he wanted, but 230 is already a good size load.
Put me on the LeShoure bandwagon. I think he can become a dominant do-everything back. He might run more upright in the open field, but he seems to instinctively get low when he senses contact coming. I see him breaking a lot of tackles, but he does it pretty effortlessly, especially arm tackles and ankle tackles - he has great feel for contact around his feet. His initial burst and downhill style are more than NFL quality, but he also seems to be able to change direction without losing much momentum - he gets back up to speed very quickly after jukes, sidesteps, and stop/start moves. His cuts are decisive (you really see the extra gear when his hips lock in north/south) and he seems to lose little energy through them, and he also seems to instinctively understand angles in the open field. LeShoure is a good hands catcher out of the backfield, and he also seems plenty tough enough for the position.
But what is most impressive to me about LeShoure is ability to both break down would-be tacklers in the open field and run away from them. He that rare ability to process an oncoming tackler, load up a move/strategy to defeat them, and then already move on to processing the next level before/as he is thwarting tackler #1 - a quality usually only seen in scatback types. No he is not a 4.35 guy, but I bet he is 4.5, and at 6'0" 230 that is plenty fast enough to break long runs. When you watch him put moves on tacklers and leave them grasping at air, remember that he is 6'0" 230! When you see him hit the line at full speed and make LBs and even DBs (ok Big Ten DBs) take bad angles because he is motoring - again 6'0" 230 ! - Steven Jackson is also the closest compare I could come up with.
LeShoure really started taking his conditioning and nutrition seriously b/w the 09 and 10 seasons and the results were overwhelming. He is not even 21 yet and he is already a rare physical specimen. As his body and game mature, he could (should) become a dominant player.
Maybe you need to go watch some more Ingram as wellPut me on the LeShoure bandwagon. I think he can become a dominant do-everything back. He might run more upright in the open field, but he seems to instinctively get low when he senses contact coming. I see him breaking a lot of tackles, but he does it pretty effortlessly, especially arm tackles and ankle tackles - he has great feel for contact around his feet. His initial burst and downhill style are more than NFL quality, but he also seems to be able to change direction without losing much momentum - he gets back up to speed very quickly after jukes, sidesteps, and stop/start moves. His cuts are decisive (you really see the extra gear when his hips lock in north/south) and he seems to lose little energy through them, and he also seems to instinctively understand angles in the open field. LeShoure is a good hands catcher out of the backfield, and he also seems plenty tough enough for the position.
But what is most impressive to me about LeShoure is ability to both break down would-be tacklers in the open field and run away from them. He that rare ability to process an oncoming tackler, load up a move/strategy to defeat them, and then already move on to processing the next level before/as he is thwarting tackler #1 - a quality usually only seen in scatback types. No he is not a 4.35 guy, but I bet he is 4.5, and at 6'0" 230 that is plenty fast enough to break long runs. When you watch him put moves on tacklers and leave them grasping at air, remember that he is 6'0" 230! When you see him hit the line at full speed and make LBs and even DBs (ok Big Ten DBs) take bad angles because he is motoring - again 6'0" 230 ! - Steven Jackson is also the closest compare I could come up with.
LeShoure really started taking his conditioning and nutrition seriously b/w the 09 and 10 seasons and the results were overwhelming. He is not even 21 yet and he is already a rare physical specimen. As his body and game mature, he could (should) become a dominant player.You are seeing what I'm seeing, based on some of the responses, I had to go back and watch him a couple more times to see why people were seemingly down on him.
IMO he is a better talent than Mathews, Best and Spiller and potentially the best in this draft as well.
Trust me I really like Ingram too. My view on LeShoure in no way should be seen as being down on Ingram. I also like Ryan Williams. Personally I like all three of these guys more than any of the rb's in last years draft.Maybe you need to go watch some more Ingram as wellPut me on the LeShoure bandwagon. I think he can become a dominant do-everything back. He might run more upright in the open field, but he seems to instinctively get low when he senses contact coming. I see him breaking a lot of tackles, but he does it pretty effortlessly, especially arm tackles and ankle tackles - he has great feel for contact around his feet. His initial burst and downhill style are more than NFL quality, but he also seems to be able to change direction without losing much momentum - he gets back up to speed very quickly after jukes, sidesteps, and stop/start moves. His cuts are decisive (you really see the extra gear when his hips lock in north/south) and he seems to lose little energy through them, and he also seems to instinctively understand angles in the open field. LeShoure is a good hands catcher out of the backfield, and he also seems plenty tough enough for the position.
But what is most impressive to me about LeShoure is ability to both break down would-be tacklers in the open field and run away from them. He that rare ability to process an oncoming tackler, load up a move/strategy to defeat them, and then already move on to processing the next level before/as he is thwarting tackler #1 - a quality usually only seen in scatback types. No he is not a 4.35 guy, but I bet he is 4.5, and at 6'0" 230 that is plenty fast enough to break long runs. When you watch him put moves on tacklers and leave them grasping at air, remember that he is 6'0" 230! When you see him hit the line at full speed and make LBs and even DBs (ok Big Ten DBs) take bad angles because he is motoring - again 6'0" 230 ! - Steven Jackson is also the closest compare I could come up with.
LeShoure really started taking his conditioning and nutrition seriously b/w the 09 and 10 seasons and the results were overwhelming. He is not even 21 yet and he is already a rare physical specimen. As his body and game mature, he could (should) become a dominant player.You are seeing what I'm seeing, based on some of the responses, I had to go back and watch him a couple more times to see why people were seemingly down on him.
IMO he is a better talent than Mathews, Best and Spiller and potentially the best in this draft as well.
Yup. Been seen many times. 10 minutes of footage, and here's what I count:He broke only 7 legitimate tackle attempts (he passed through a number of flailing wrists and forearms, but only 7 really good broken tackles). In only one instance did I see him break 2 tackles on the same play.I apologize if this was already posted, but here is 10 minutes of Leshoure highlights.
That's a great point. Didn't think of it at the time, but now that you mention it, I don't recall any, and probably one contributing factor to why he goes down so easily.I don't know this, but is that something that can be taught? Seems like an instinctive sort of skill.I kept saying as he was running "Kid let me see a stiff arm just once"