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I'm trying to figure out if I left the Republican Party or did they leave me (1 Viewer)

I don’t think the party left anybody.  Many of us watched elections for years and got sickened by milquetoast candidates like Romney, Bush I, and McCain with zero fire in their belly when it came to campaigning.  (Bush II surrounded himself with solid surrogates)

Good men but they let the Democrats and a complicit MSM smear them or just outright lie.  It was long past time for the Republicans to find a candidate to fight back and jump in the mud with them.  That’s what many Republicans are going to want going forward.  Being the adults in the room doesn’t work anymore.  

 
I know this probably opening up a can of worms, (not trying to call you out, but I’m honestly curious) what has Biden done to make you think he’s not a good person who wants what’s good for all Americans. 


I can't say that Biden isn't a good person. Honestly, he probably is. But he felt like the last-ditch effort for the Democratic Party. The messy math equation that could beat Trump. He comes with baggage (Hunter, his age) that seems unnecessary. Both of these parties know there is an election every four years. How you don't have a minor league full of prospects ready to run this country is beyond me. People with strong stances on how to move the country forward, clean backgrounds, intellegent problem solvers, and can work a crowd. Biden is like running the beat-up veteran QB out there one more time.

 
I don’t think the party left anybody.  Many of us watched elections for years and got sickened by milquetoast candidates like Romney, Bush I, and McCain with zero fire in their belly when it came to campaigning.  (Bush II surrounded himself with solid surrogates)

Good men but they let the Democrats and a complicit MSM smear them or just outright lie.  It was long past time for the Republicans to find a candidate to fight back and jump in the mud with them.  That’s what many Republicans are going to want going forward.  Being the adults in the room doesn’t work anymore.  
Two statements that pretty much sums up the current GOP absolutely perfectly.  Yes, they've left a TON of people behind in their sprint.  This is why Trump was their option and why he got destroyed by a terrible choice in Biden.  Can't get out of their own way.  The good news is, for the GOP anyway, the Dems seem to be on the same path of self destruction just not as far along.  Wait them out with your crappy candidates and lack of legislative agenda and you'll be back to equal.

 
So you are talking about federal income tax?  Not property tax, sales tax, social security, Medicare, vehicle taxes, gasoline taxes. Just want to make sure I understand which free loaders we are calling out. 
 
IRS & obviously if you pay no Fed taxes you pay no state income tax.  I'm aware we all pay tax on gas, et al.

 
I don’t think the party left anybody.  Many of us watched elections for years and got sickened by milquetoast candidates like Romney, Bush I, and McCain with zero fire in their belly when it came to campaigning.  (Bush II surrounded himself with solid surrogates)

Good men but they let the Democrats and a complicit MSM smear them or just outright lie.  It was long past time for the Republicans to find a candidate to fight back and jump in the mud with them.  That’s what many Republicans are going to want going forward.  Being the adults in the room doesn’t work anymore.  
But I'm not sure Trump's way works either.  Dude lost popular vote and had to pull off an inside straight to win in 2016.
 

 
Both of these parties know there is an election every four years. How you don't have a minor league full of prospects ready to run this country is beyond me.


For the Democrats you can see it in this thread.  The generation of would-be Democratic leaders of today are disillusioned Reagan Republicans.  

 
IRS & obviously if you pay no Fed taxes you pay no state income tax.  I'm aware we all pay tax on gas, et al.
That isn’t obvious. I get tax credits at a federal level that I dont get at a state level.  Unless you are actually talking about Federal AGI, which I doubt 57% have zero. 

 
I don’t think the party left anybody.  Many of us watched elections for years and got sickened by milquetoast candidates like Romney, Bush I, and McCain with zero fire in their belly when it came to campaigning.  (Bush II surrounded himself with solid surrogates)

Good men but they let the Democrats and a complicit MSM smear them or just outright lie.  It was long past time for the Republicans to find a candidate to fight back and jump in the mud with them.  That’s what many Republicans are going to want going forward.  Being the adults in the room doesn’t work anymore.  


On the first bold - they definitely left people behind when they embraced Trump who didn't have a traditional republican political view

On the second - I don't think this is where traditional republicans want to be.  They want to be the adult in the room and set a standard - not the spectacle of a mud fight.  The Trump mud fight was a net negative to the party.

 
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I can't say that Biden isn't a good person. Honestly, he probably is. But he felt like the last-ditch effort for the Democratic Party. The messy math equation that could beat Trump. He comes with baggage (Hunter, his age) that seems unnecessary. Both of these parties know there is an election every four years. How you don't have a minor league full of prospects ready to run this country is beyond me. People with strong stances on how to move the country forward, clean backgrounds, intellegent problem solvers, and can work a crowd. Biden is like running the beat-up veteran QB out there one more time.
This sounds about right. It probably also helps explain why there aren't really "Biden fans" like there are "fans" of some other politicians.

Also, the Republican party seems to have nearly fully embraced the authoritarian model of government. In America, we have a democracy. The president is elected every 4 years, is term limited to two terms, and has significant checks and balances from the two other branches of government. I get the firm sense that the Republican party is more interested in one man ruling with complicity from the two other branches.

So in Democracy vs. Authoritarianism, I'll take Joe Biden. Democracy first. 

 
It isn't the Trump way. It's the republican base's way. He represents those 'values.' 


It's a chicken or the egg in that situation - but I think a lot of people that voted for trump probably had not voted as diligently in the past.  I think Trump appealed to a subset of disenfranchised people that now make up the base. 

I think those that embrace core republican strategy are not happy of the caricature of the republican base right now.

 
It's a chicken or the egg in that situation - but I think a lot of people that voted for trump probably had not voted as diligently in the past.  I think Trump appealed to a subset of disenfranchised people that now make up the base. 

I think those that embrace core republican strategy are not happy of the caricature of the republican base right now.
Of course. Their representatives have been on a losing trajectory. Their lack of success opened the door.

 
She won’t because it’s not just her. 
 

The Democratic Party is funded by unions and corporations. These two groups will NEVER let socialist types take control of the party. It’s not going to happen. AOC and Bernie and the rest are loud, and growing louder, but they will never have real power. 
Right.....except the middle class will feel the brunt of the leftist policies leaving the fat cats that fund the Dems to get fatter.  Two wings of the same bird.  Until we do away lobbyists, and big money controlling politics, it's wash, rinse, repeat....it'll never happen though...meanwhile, we will continue to fight about systemic racism, abortion, etc, while we lose more and more freedoms.

 
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Right.....except the middle class will feel the brunt of the leftist policies leaving the fat cats that fund the Dems to get fatter.  Two wings of the same bird.  Until we do away lobbyists, and big money controlling politics, it's wash, rinse, repeat....it'll never happen though...meanwhile, we will continue to fight about systemic racism, abortion, etc, while we lose more and more freedoms.
Are you in favor of campaign finance restrictions? 

 
I wish the Libertarian party could actually become viable, but we're so entrenched in the two party system that controls everything, it's seems rather hopeless.

 
I think you left them

For example capitol punishment - https://www.prisonfellowship.org/resources/advocacy/sentencing/the-death-penalty/#

and your comments on LGBT I think the Bible speaks against, and when it comes to illegals?   There HAS to be laws/rules .... no nation allows its lands to be flooded with non-citizens, and for a good many reasons 
Christians do not get to judge sinners.....that's for God.  BUT, the left is trying to minimize parental control over their children.  That's a problem.....the state knows better, right?.....no it doesn't!

The southern border is about cheap labor.....both sides benefit, and act like they wanna do something, but really don't do whats needed.

 
I think you left them

For example capitol punishment - https://www.prisonfellowship.org/resources/advocacy/sentencing/the-death-penalty/#

and your comments on LGBT I think the Bible speaks against, and when it comes to illegals?   There HAS to be laws/rules .... no nation allows its lands to be flooded with non-citizens, and for a good many reasons 
Of course there have to be laws and rules regarding immigration. No major party platform claims otherwise. This is a great quote about granting amnesty to illegal aliens residing in the U.S:

“The legalization provisions in this act will go far to improve the lives of a class of individuals who now must hide in the shadows, without access to many of the benefits of a free and open society. Very soon many of these men and women will be able to step into the sunlight and, ultimately, if they choose, they may become Americans.”

 
Christians do not get to judge sinners.....that's for God.  BUT, the left is trying to minimize parental control over their children.  That's a problem.....the state knows better, right?.....no it doesn't!

The southern border is about cheap labor.....both sides benefit, and act like they wanna do something, but really don't do whats needed.


Bible tells us to judge - not people's soul's, but people character, people guilt etc absolutely. 

The illegal situation is about breaking US laws on entry, escaping taxation, cheap labor, drug/cartel trafficking, sex trafficking, human trafficking, economic enslavement of poor people ..... its an illegal humanitarian crisis in every way and some people celebrate it as a good thing :(

 
Of course there have to be laws and rules regarding immigration. No major party platform claims otherwise. This is a great quote about granting amnesty to illegal aliens residing in the U.S:

“The legalization provisions in this act will go far to improve the lives of a class of individuals who now must hide in the shadows, without access to many of the benefits of a free and open society. Very soon many of these men and women will be able to step into the sunlight and, ultimately, if they choose, they may become Americans.”


in 1986, Ronald Reagan signed a sweeping immigration reform bill into law. It was sold as a crackdown: There would be tighter security at the Mexican border, and employers would face strict penalties for hiring undocumented workers and also made any immigrant who'd entered the country before 1982 eligible for amnesty

that solved everything didn't it ?

but I'll meet you on a compromise

each illegal here can get amnesty - but they have to pay back everything they every took "free" from US Govt/Citizens and they have to pay all their back taxes, and they have to pay .... lets say a $20,000 fine, they have to go through immigration processes and they can't vote in any elections for .... 10 years.

along with that, we have to station national guards all along the southern border and literally lock it down and have a goal of ZERO illegals entering. Once that happens, a REALY immigration system can be set in place where people come here legally ONLY

deal ? 

 
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in 1986, Ronald Reagan signed a sweeping immigration reform bill into law. It was sold as a crackdown: There would be tighter security at the Mexican border, and employers would face strict penalties for hiring undocumented workers and also made any immigrant who'd entered the country before 1982 eligible for amnesty

that solved everything didn't it ?
:shrug:  You suggested that it’s was the OP who left the party of Reagan when it came to the issue of illegal immigration. It seems to me that his current thoughts are very much in line with Reagan’s.

 
:shrug:  You suggested that it’s was the OP who left the party of Reagan when it came to the issue of illegal immigration. It seems to me that his current thoughts are very much in line with Reagan’s.


Republican Party - not specifically Regan on illegal issues

 
My idea of pro-life probably differs from most.  As a pro-life person, I believe we should strive to make this world as pleasant as possible.  We were all forced into this situation without any say of our own.  Abortions are a safeguard against undesired births.  They should be encouraged rather than discouraged.  Capital punishment limits the amount of harm that one person can cause.  One person can destroy many lives.  Stiff punishment serves as justice for the victims and a deterrent for future criminals.  We need more capital punishment, not less.

Life is not fair. Work hard and you will be rewarded is a myth.  Mental and physical defects ensure that some will always struggle.  This is why parental responsibility is so important.  I suppose eugenics will never be written into law so it's upon individuals to recognize when their reproduction would be a burden to society and their offspring.  But the most defective are often incapable of such reasoning.  I see a surprising number of toddlers with their parents at the homeless shelter.  The kids are their golden ticket.

 
https://gop.com/republican-platform-audit/

The Republican National Committee

2022 Republican Party Platform Audit:

1) Election Integrity

2) Regaining Control of Congress

3) Fixing Inflation & The Failing Economy

4) School Reopenings

5) Vaccine & Mask Mandates

6) Biden's Border Crisis

7) Rising Crime in Democrat Cities

😎 Job Creation

9) Protection of Constitutional Rights

10) Big Tech Censorship

11) Exposing Biden's Radical Agenda

*****

Tim,

If the FBG Staff here wants to just tolerate your numerous number of aliases, well that's their decision. I generally don't discuss people's aliases but the sheer number of them you use as a form a proxy attack, sea lioning and logical fallacy bombing is staggering.

The Republican Party is not a monolith. It's very diverse. The Conservative base is not a monolith. It too is very diverse. Lumping everyone together with just enough language in front to massage around the rules here is just an easy way to attack the general Conservative viewpoint. It's easy if you castigate everyone who disagrees with you into a very narrow window that operates as a target rich environment for the woke fringe radical left.

It's gotten pretty desperate if you had to use your Love Beatles alias to take some shots here.

The Republican platform is not a secret. It's listed above.

A combination of many of those issues is why the Democratic Party lost Virginia and how a true political zero like Glenn Youngkin got into office. Here's what matters for 2022 Mid Terms and the 2024 general cycle - Suburban women voters and working class minority voters don't agree with you. Not one single bit. It's beyond the polling, which is still cooked. The core of the establishment Democrats plus the Progressives are impacting everyday people at the grocery store, in basic goods and services, at the gas pump and are watching their kids get used as pawns in the widespread school/educational nightmare of the last couple of years.

Suburban women voters can be mostly classified as a transient type of voting block.

However working class minority voters create huge risks of the current Democratic Party losing LEGACY VOTES across multiple future cycles.

The military vote is also a type of legacy voting block that could take the disaster in Afghanistan as a point of no return and cost the Democratic Party for the next 5 full general cycles.

This isn't even accounting the near purposeful incitement of the Jewish establishment in America by many brand name elements of the Democratic Party. That ripples into staggering losses in Big Finance and Hollywood.

There will almost certainly be staggering losses from the White Evangelical vote, that created a massive push/pull in 2020, starting at the Southern Border states

I've laid out the Republican Party current platform. It's not a secret. No one is making it a secret. You are not addressing any of them with actual substance. Key voting blocks that the Democratic Party can't afford to lose don't agree with you.

The practical swing buffer for current polling, if I factor in data from actual aggregated EScores across the cross section of at risk voting blocks, is 4-6. That means if the Republicans are up 3 points in the polling, odds are they are really up 7-9 points. If the Republicans are shown down 6 points against Democrats in some districts, that means it could be a pure dead heat. Big surprise, if you keep telling half the country that they are cult like racists and bigots and xenophobes and that you'll threaten their careers and how they feed their kids because they have a different opinion, those people aren't going to want talk to some stranger via a cold call about their personal politics. Whowouldathunkit?

Nate Silver and 538 can say whatever he wants. The coming Mid Terms and the 2024 cycle will be an all out massacre against Team Blue. All of Team Blue, even the ones who had nothing to do with the disaster zone of this current administration and it's policies.

Tim, you have you free speech. I won't take that from you. But the key voting blocks that are going to actually matter in coming elections don't agree with you. This is not some small minority, major shares of critical voting blocks won't agree with nor believe one single word you say.

Your behavior in general is proof of life that high value posting and actions that enrich the community are not actually rewarded here in the PSF.

Feel free to actually address the real Republican Party platform.
I am not Tim....

 
Bible tells us to judge - not people's soul's, but people character, people guilt etc absolutely. 

The illegal situation is about breaking US laws on entry, escaping taxation, cheap labor, drug/cartel trafficking, sex trafficking, human trafficking, economic enslavement of poor people ..... its an illegal humanitarian crisis in every way and some people celebrate it as a good thing :(
We are to not get caught up in worldly things.  This world is broken.  We know that.

 
I think you left them

For example capitol punishment - https://www.prisonfellowship.org/resources/advocacy/sentencing/the-death-penalty/#

and your comments on LGBT I think the Bible speaks against, and when it comes to illegals?   There HAS to be laws/rules .... no nation allows its lands to be flooded with non-citizens, and for a good many reasons 
I am Catholic so I'm not sure what you think that link proves, but the Catholic Church, absolutely, does not support Capital punishment except in cases where it is the only way to protect society....which does not apply to this country or most other modern countries.

Illegals and LGBT.....the language around these groups by Trump and his party is not at all Christian.  There can be respect without agreement.  There isn't.  Also, as far as illegals, if we become a county that no longer allows those fleeing from persecution to be protected, we are not a Christian country.

 
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The language around LGBT and illegals by Trump and his party is not Christian.....


that'd be an interesting dive .... how religious beliefs/God/Bible plays into upholding the laws/rules of the United States 

some would argue anyone LGBT or supporting LGBT or supporting abortion etc aren't Christian at all and ironically, some would argue not supporting LGBT and abortion and illegals etc aren't Chrisitian

its a funny thing how Christianity can be molded into anything a person wants it to be .... I had a wife that was committing adultery, lying, scheming, manipulating, using people and she swore God was approving, loving and understanding it all and how close she was to God during it. Amazing huh? 

 
that'd be an interesting dive .... how religious beliefs/God/Bible plays into upholding the laws/rules of the United States 
Its pretty simple, the bible & gods have no place in US laws. You're free to live your life as you see fit, however. That is what the First Amendment guarantees. It does not, however, guarantee politicians and our courts can rule according to any religious text.

 
that'd be an interesting dive .... how religious beliefs/God/Bible plays into upholding the laws/rules of the United States 

some would argue anyone LGBT or supporting LGBT or supporting abortion etc aren't Christian at all and ironically, some would argue not supporting LGBT and abortion and illegals etc aren't Chrisitian

its a funny thing how Christianity can be molded into anything a person wants it to be .... I had a wife that was committing adultery, lying, scheming, manipulating, using people and she swore God was approving, loving and understanding it all and how close she was to God during it. Amazing huh? 
I didn't say anything about supporting LGBT.  But we should be kind and respectful because they are children of God just as we are.  You and I may disagree with trans women competing against biological females, for example, but the vitriol toward the trans athlete is out of bounds.  So it's OK to feel that it's wrong.  It's not OK to assume that person has evil intent or that they are going to hell or whatever for their lifestyle.  We hate the sin, but we love the sinner.

As far as Christianity being "molded", this is common is society, isn't it?  People can't accept that there was no election fraud, so they do everything they can to not believe it.  They are molding their opinion around objective untruth....Put anything in your body to fight COVID except the vaccine because you can't admit that the vaccine works....And on and on.....

 
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Its pretty simple, the bible & gods have no place in US laws. You're free to live your life as you see fit, however. That is what the First Amendment guarantees. It does not, however, guarantee politicians and our courts can rule according to any religious text.
This was my thought as well.  SC says it would be an interesting dive, but for me an infuriating dive since it should be 0%,  

 
I think you're missing a third option.  This is going to be mind-blowing, so hang on to your seats.

What if - stay with me - what if there NEVER was a Republican Party to begin with and everything you thought you knew was nothing but a dream?  An idea that someone planted in your head - INCEPTIONTM, if you will - that you thought was yours all along but was really designed to get you to do what they wanted?

Yeah?  Uh-huh.  Let that sink in.  

 
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But I'm not sure Trump's way works either.  Dude lost popular vote and had to pull off an inside straight to win in 2016.
 
Popular vote.    With california and new york being california and new york the dems are more likely than to win the popular vote.

 
Popular vote.    With california and new york being california and new york the dems are more likely than to win the popular vote.
So you're saying more people in the country identify with Dems than with the GOP? Been that way for a while now and yet the minority controls the majority in our out-dated system. Used to be an anomaly. 

 
I am Catholic so I'm not sure what you think that link proves, but the Catholic Church, absolutely, does not support Capital punishment except in cases where it is the only way to protect society....which does not apply to this country or most other modern countries.

Illegals and LGBT.....the language around these groups by Trump and his party is not at all Christian.  There can be respect without agreement.  There isn't.  Also, as far as illegals, if we become a county that no longer allows those fleeing from persecution to be protected, we are not a Christian country.


I am not Tim....
Thats what id expect tim to say.

 
Or some other method of updating our General Election process like adjusting the EC votes. Even Trump agrees* the EC as it is now is a horrible system.

*until he benefitted from it.
It is weird that they do not adjust the EC votes according to population.  If a state has a population explosion, shouldn't they adjust accordingly?

 

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