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I'm trying to figure out if I left the Republican Party or did they leave me (1 Viewer)

Thats what id expect tim to say.
My former name was saintsfan.  I am a huge Beatles fan.  I had the original Beatles thread that went over the history of the band.  I was gone for a while, came back and couldn't figure out how to unlock my account.  So I started this new one and contributed heavily to the Beatles thread that is there now.

I am not Tim, nor have I ever been Tim. 

But you believe what you want....

 
My former name was saintsfan.  I am a huge Beatles fan.  I had the original Beatles thread that went over the history of the band.  I was gone for a while, came back and couldn't figure out how to unlock my account.  So I started this new one and contributed heavily to the Beatles thread that is there now.

I am not Tim, nor have I ever been Tim. 

But you believe what you want....
You just cant be funny anymore.   Or me ever.

 
My former name was saintsfan.  I am a huge Beatles fan.  I had the original Beatles thread that went over the history of the band.  I was gone for a while, came back and couldn't figure out how to unlock my account.  So I started this new one and contributed heavily to the Beatles thread that is there now.

I am not Tim, nor have I ever been Tim. 

But you believe what you want....
Well I am a huge Beatles fan too. So maybe you are me after all. 
 

Actually scratch that. I’ve never rooted for the Saints. I liked Brees but that’s about it. 

 
Its pretty simple, the bible & gods have no place in US laws. You're free to live your life as you see fit, however. That is what the First Amendment guarantees. It does not, however, guarantee politicians and our courts can rule according to any religious text.


except Bible believing, God fearing people vote and their beliefs impact that ... and atheist people? they vote on their beliefs too

there is a LOT not in the Constitution and for all those things, rules, laws, ruling etc happen and people impact all that

 
I didn't say anything about supporting LGBT.  But we should be kind and respectful because they are children of God just as we are.  You and I may disagree with trans women competing against biological females, for example, but the vitriol toward the trans athlete is out of bounds.  So it's OK to feel that it's wrong.  It's not OK to assume that person has evil intent or that they are going to hell or whatever for their lifestyle.  We hate the sin, but we love the sinner.

As far as Christianity being "molded", this is common is society, isn't it?  People can't accept that there was no election fraud, so they do everything they can to not believe it.  They are molding their opinion around objective untruth....Put anything in your body to fight COVID except the vaccine because you can't admit that the vaccine works....And on and on.....


people "going to hell"  lol     kind and respectful sure - but we're told to judge people, who to associate with and who not to, and you're right, hate the sin 

 
except Bible believing, God fearing people vote and their beliefs impact that ... and atheist people? they vote on their beliefs too

there is a LOT not in the Constitution and for all those things, rules, laws, ruling etc happen and people impact all that
Sure, you can vote on those belief. Part of living how you see fit. But your quote was how religious beliefs/God/Bible plays into upholding the laws/rules of the United States.

Religious beliefs play no part, or shouldn't, in upholding our laws. You can't create laws because its in the Bible or the Koran or the Tarah. You live your life according to your book of choice. You write constitutional laws. One has nothing to do with the other.

 
Sure, you can vote on those belief. Part of living how you see fit. But your quote was how religious beliefs/God/Bible plays into upholding the laws/rules of the United States.

Religious beliefs play no part, or shouldn't, in upholding our laws. You can't create laws because its in the Bible or the Koran or the Tarah. You live your life according to your book of choice. You write constitutional laws. One has nothing to do with the other.


I see what you mean .... but I'd argue that many many people do what they think is right over what is legal (people in positions of power)

I cannot imagine Supreme Court justices ruling on something they religiously believe against when its not spelled out in the Constitution which is why SC picks are heavily scrutinized and why court packing is wanted by the Left right now  

 
Is that the plan from this point?   Go 3rd party if you dont like the republican?
It might just be a Trump phenomenon.  Usually, I can stomach whatever flaws I think the Republican candidate has, but it's more like Trump has revealed the ugly underbelly and right now, I'm not sure what the Trump voters even stand for, other than hating everybody not like them and conspiracy theories

 
I see what you mean .... but I'd argue that many many people do what they think is right over what is legal (people in positions of power)

I cannot imagine Supreme Court justices ruling on something they religiously believe against when its not spelled out in the Constitution which is why SC picks are heavily scrutinized and why court packing is wanted by the Left right now  
So if the bible says homosexuality is immoral but the Constitution says all men are created equal, should our laws be inclusive of homosexuals even if you're a Christian? The only correct answer is yes, our laws must not discriminate against homosexuals even your religious text of choice says otherwise.

You are, however, free to be bigoted against homosexuals because that's YOUR belief.

 
that'd be an interesting dive .... how religious beliefs/God/Bible plays into upholding the laws/rules of the United States 

some would argue anyone LGBT or supporting LGBT or supporting abortion etc aren't Christian at all and ironically, some would argue not supporting LGBT and abortion and illegals etc aren't Chrisitian

its a funny thing how Christianity can be molded into anything a person wants it to be .... I had a wife that was committing adultery, lying, scheming, manipulating, using people and she swore God was approving, loving and understanding it all and how close she was to God during it. Amazing huh? 
Every single thing in your last few posts is not a shock to a single person who understands what sin is.  :shrug:

 
We are not told to judge.  We judge whether or not someone committed a crime, but we don't judge people's humanity


“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. ...

that's judging ...  gotta look hard at people - not to condemn them, but to judge their character and who they are

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

the above is ok - its saying don't look at others unless you want looked at yourself the same way - and I do

 
You might be right in the short term, but we will see in the long term.  It won't surprise me if we see a President AOC by 2032. 
'32 is an election or two early. But by 2040 eligible voters who have no meaningful recollection of Ronald Reagan will outnumber those who do by about a 2-to-1 margin.

And those younger voters like her very much.

 
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It’s not really a surprise to me that the New Right has no idea about the central tenants and beliefs behind American conservatism. They’d mock and drum out William F Buckley no doubt.

 
'32 is an election or two early. But by 2040 eligible voters who have no meaningful recollection of Ronald Reagan will outnumber those who do by about a 2-to-1 margin.

And those younger voters like her very much.
Those younger voters will be older, and wealthier, and at that point they will, for the most part, reject the high taxation that socialism demands. 
 

thats how it works 

 
Those younger voters will be older, and wealthier, and at that point they will, for the most part, reject the high taxation that socialism demands. 
 

thats how it works 
She'll moderate, too. But the overall electorate will keep moving left until they meet her coming from the other direction.

You're never ready for two decades in the future. You need to see an imagination specialist.

 
'32 is an election or two early. But by 2040 eligible voters who have no meaningful recollection of Ronald Reagan will outnumber those who do by about a 2-to-1 margin.

And those younger voters like her very much.
Seems weird to talk about how the Democratic party could be more extreme in a decade or two when the GOP has ALREADY become beholden to their extreme elements.

 
She'll moderate, too. But the overall electorate will keep moving left until they meet her coming from the other direction.

You're never ready for two decades in the future. You need to see an imagination specialist.
It’s not that I don’t sympathize with your ideas. I do. We need to do something about climate change and we may very well be forced to accept leftist solutions to that problem mainly because the right refuses to address it at all. 
 

But- I’ve been fascinated with national politics, studied national politics as a pastime for nearly 40 years. I’m no expert, don’t claim to be. But I think that when patterns occur in history we can learn from them. And one pattern is that young people tend to be leftist while in college, and then become more conservative as they start to take on jobs and responsibilities in the real world. That is the pattern that has happened over and over and it’s hard to see that it would stop this time around. 

 
Those younger voters will be older, and wealthier, and at that point they will, for the most part, reject the high taxation that socialism demands. 
 

thats how it works 
Pretty much. Couple of Bernie bros right out of nursing school during the last election. Now that they are making some real money, they were mocking him today about wanting to tax corporations at 95% over the next couple years. 

 
On the first bold - they definitely left people behind when they embraced Trump who didn't have a traditional republican political view

On the second - I don't think this is where traditional republicans want to be.  They want to be the adult in the room and set a standard - not the spectacle of a mud fight.  The Trump mud fight was a net negative to the party.
Agreed.  Many will still vote the party line because a good percentage is voting for "their" party come hell or high water, but many moderates and independents either have jumped ship or will jump ship on the GOP as long as Trump and his clown show rules the party.   It is hard to take a party seriously when Trump is the leader of it.  

 
Those younger voters will be older, and wealthier, and at that point they will, for the most part, reject the high taxation that socialism demands. 
 

thats how it works 
I recently saw a Dave Chappelle interview from 2004 and he said a joke like "I was into Kerry but now that I got all this money, Bush is looking kind of good."

I often hear people say socialism has always failed and I know nothing about those particular failures but it seems like an easy way for them to discredit new ideas. Our current healthcare system is one that looks like it would greatly benefit from change.  I'm not sure if universal healthcare would be considered socialism or communism but I can't see how cutting out the PBM and other middlemen would be anything other than a huge savings.  I don't believe such a change would stymie medical innovation.  I think the people who are actually making the advancements are motivated by intellectual curiosity and they should and could be rewarded in line with their contributions.

I think our healthcare system has other inefficiencies that could be streamlined.  While there should be a reasonable co-pay for all hospital visits to limit abuse from hypochondriacs, I detest the requirement of seeing a primary care in order to get referrals for specialists.  I can explain the situation in a message over the phone.  The primary care knows that they cannot personally do anything for me yet I still have to visit them in order to receive the referral.  Pointless and patronizing, but it does put a little more money in the PCP's pocket I guess. 

 
I recently saw a Dave Chappelle interview from 2004 and he said a joke like "I was into Kerry but now that I got all this money, Bush is looking kind of good."

I often hear people say socialism has always failed and I know nothing about those particular failures but it seems like an easy way for them to discredit new ideas. Our current healthcare system is one that looks like it would greatly benefit from change.  I'm not sure if universal healthcare would be considered socialism or communism but I can't see how cutting out the PBM and other middlemen would be anything other than a huge savings.  I don't believe such a change would stymie medical innovation.  I think the people who are actually making the advancements are motivated by intellectual curiosity and they should and could be rewarded in line with their contributions.

I think our healthcare system has other inefficiencies that could be streamlined.  While there should be a reasonable co-pay for all hospital visits to limit abuse from hypochondriacs, I detest the requirement of seeing a primary care in order to get referrals for specialists.  I can explain the situation in a message over the phone.  The primary care knows that they cannot personally do anything for me yet I still have to visit them in order to receive the referral.  Pointless and patronizing, but it does put a little more money in the PCP's pocket I guess. 
I suggest you familiarize yourself with the colossal  failure socialiam is.

 
I recently saw a Dave Chappelle interview from 2004 and he said a joke like "I was into Kerry but now that I got all this money, Bush is looking kind of good."

I often hear people say socialism has always failed and I know nothing about those particular failures but it seems like an easy way for them to discredit new ideas. Our current healthcare system is one that looks like it would greatly benefit from change.  I'm not sure if universal healthcare would be considered socialism or communism but I can't see how cutting out the PBM and other middlemen would be anything other than a huge savings.  I don't believe such a change would stymie medical innovation.  I think the people who are actually making the advancements are motivated by intellectual curiosity and they should and could be rewarded in line with their contributions.

I think our healthcare system has other inefficiencies that could be streamlined.  While there should be a reasonable co-pay for all hospital visits to limit abuse from hypochondriacs, I detest the requirement of seeing a primary care in order to get referrals for specialists.  I can explain the situation in a message over the phone.  The primary care knows that they cannot personally do anything for me yet I still have to visit them in order to receive the referral.  Pointless and patronizing, but it does put a little more money in the PCP's pocket I guess. 
Just like any other system, left unchecked, socialism is going to fail in it's purist form.  So is capitalism.  These have been true statements from day one.  The largest problem in front of us at the moment is being able to identify what actual socialism is vs what it isn't.  In this country's political landscape, "socialism" merely means "something I don't like/think is a good idea".  You look no further than the labeling of universal healthcare as socialism but not labeling our COVID vaccine rollout as such.

 
It’s not that I don’t sympathize with your ideas. I do. We need to do something about climate change and we may very well be forced to accept leftist solutions to that problem mainly because the right refuses to address it at all. 
 

But- I’ve been fascinated with national politics, studied national politics as a pastime for nearly 40 years. I’m no expert, don’t claim to be. But I think that when patterns occur in history we can learn from them. And one pattern is that young people tend to be leftist while in college, and then become more conservative as they start to take on jobs and responsibilities in the real world. That is the pattern that has happened over and over and it’s hard to see that it would stop this time around. 
They don't "become conservative" as they age - and the current younger cohort even less so - they just appear so relative to the newer younger generations.

I mean it, you get stuck in cliche ruts and are even slower to recognize changing trends than this board's conservatives.

 
They don't "become conservative" as they age - and the current younger cohort even less so - they just appear so relative to the newer younger generations.

I mean it, you get stuck in cliche ruts and are even slower to recognize changing trends than this board's conservatives.
So I have been told by many people. But so many of these “changing trends” have been repeated so many times in our history that it’s hard for me to get truly excited about them. But I guess we will see. 

 
To be fair to tim, the US is pretty much the exact same country that it was in 1788.  All of these "changing trends" are just a mirage.  

Now if you'll excuse me, I have a carriage to catch.

 
To be fair to tim, the US is pretty much the exact same country that it was in 1788.  All of these "changing trends" are just a mirage.  

Now if you'll excuse me, I have a carriage to catch.
Your comments here would be better directed against the strict constructionists on our Supreme Court than they are towards me. 

 
Both parties have left a pretty fair portion of their core.  Idk how much they are worth fighting for at this time.  The R’s folding all-in on banning abortion is puzzling to say the least.  

 
Both parties have left a pretty fair portion of their core.  Idk how much they are worth fighting for at this time.  The R’s folding all-in on banning abortion is puzzling to say the least.  
IMO a bit is that they are running out of buttons to push that taps into the religious right portion of the party.    Abortion is one they can keep hammering and piling on, and I don't see that one changing any time soon.  

 
IMO a bit is that they are running out of buttons to push that taps into the religious right portion of the party.    Abortion is one they can keep hammering and piling on, and I don't see that one changing any time soon.  
There must be more people voting R based on religion than I thought.

 
There must be more people voting R based on religion than I thought.
Are you saying that you don't think there is a correlation between "seriousness" of religion in one's life, and their lean towards one party - or especially a correlation between religion and how you would view abortion and vote on that topic? 

 
Are you saying that you don't think there is a correlation between "seriousness" of religion in one's life, and their lean towards one party - or especially a correlation between religion and how you would view abortion and vote on that topic? 
The latter definitely for me.

 
Just to be clear, you are saying there is not a correlation between religion and how you view abortion? 
My position is its not my body, so its not my choice.  It’s also one of the least important issues for me.

 
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Absolutely not.  Republicans have historically been the more grounded party.  
If it ever were true, I certainly don't think that's the case any more.  You yourself said that, "being the adults in the room doesn't work any more," which indicates to me that the GOP aren't (or shouldn't be) the adults in the room.

 
If it ever were true, I certainly don't think that's the case any more.  You yourself said that, "being the adults in the room doesn't work any more," which indicates to me that the GOP aren't (or shouldn't be) the adults in the room.
You can’t win on policy anymore.  Most don’t understand it or care.  Left wing wokists just want to shout silliness on social media. 

 
My position is its not my body, so its not my choice.  It’s also one of the least important issues for me.
Yeah, but I am not talking about you specifically.  I am talking about people to who pro-life is the top or a top motivation to vote.  IMO that stance more often than not is religiously motivated.  

 
You can’t win on policy anymore.  Most don’t understand it or care.  Left wing wokists just want to shout silliness on social media. 
Hmmm, the previously Republican led Executive Branch shouted a ton of silliness, and much worse, on social media but I didn't see anyone from the GOP criticizing it. It was mostly applauded. Seems a bit hypocritical, no?

Anyway, ALL politicians should stay off of social media unless they are discussing actual policy. To do otherwise just invites unneeded criticism. A perfect example would be Ted Cruz today criticizing Mr. T on his personal choice to continue to mask up even after getting his second booster. Cruz is taking a huge beating, rightfully so. He should have just kept his mouth shut and his fingers off the keypad.

 

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