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Indefinite New York Jets Official thread - **2025 season** - The indefinite rebuild continues (3 Viewers)

Kiddnets said:
TLEF316 said:
Kiddnets said:
Huge culture building win as expected!
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If there was a qb in this draft worth drafting in the top 5, I'd be pissed. But there probably isn't.

And even if there was and the Jets got him, they'd mess it up somehow
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I hear you but bottom line is that higher picks are more valuable than lower ones. Definitely more valuable than a meaningless win at the last minute vs one of the worst teams in the league. If they beat Buffalo then I could see some value in it.

We dont even know who would be making the pick or developing so cant say its hopeless on that end yet - but higher picks entice better GM/coaches.
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Oh, for sure. I'm a pragmatist. Once they blew 8 other games they easily could have won, I was rooting for them to lose the rest.

Yesterday's win meant nothing. I barely watched. (even with my fantasy team on bye, limiting the need to watch Redzone). I'm mentally checked out.
 
mphtrilogy said:
You could have etched this one in stone, they win when you want them to lose and vice a versa always the case. Sitting at 8th in tankathon right now, don't think they will win another game but you never know with this team. Unless they are ready to take on a project QB in the draft, which seems unlikely, they might just go BPA and just hope to add quality pieces. It's not a complete tear down but they have to luck into a GM and Coach combo.
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The way the cap/salaries along with the lack of QBs in the draft - its a very real possibility that they run it back. I just hope that decision is left up to the new regime and not Woody forcing it on a candidate. Thats a great way to get second tier talent.

That being said - reading the tea leaves and knowing Woody's history Im seeing Robinson/Vrabel combo. They are a veteran duo with playoff experience. I dont think they would mind running it back it with Rodgers for a year or 2 while looking for their QB to develop. They would have security

Im pushing for an offensive coach but I do like Vrabel. Really thought he would take over the Pats. Id rather have him than force a lousy offensive coach like Nagy or god forbid Arthur Smith. Vrabel would have to bring in a quality OC - and Rodgers would have to let go of not learning a new system.
 
Yeah, that's the thing. I absolutely understanding wanting an offensive coach. But Ben Johnson isn't taking the job. I'd rather take a "sure thing" like Vrabel than take the 2nd/3rd tier offensive options (whoever they are).

The improvement in Rodgers play has given some (IMO) false hope that they can win with him next year. And considering the cap implications that come with dumping him, I have a feeling that's the route they'll go.
 
I don’t even know what to say.

Nice catches, Davante. He looks better than I thought he would for a thirty-three year old, and Rodgers looked better than his age, too. They’ve got the Rams, Bills, and Dolphins. They just might win another game.
 
rockaction said:
I don’t even know what to say.

Nice catches, Davante. He looks better than I thought he would for a thirty-three year old, and Rodgers looked better than his age, too. They’ve got the Rams, Bills, and Dolphins. They just might win another game.
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I was pulling for the tank - but at this point if they win another they only drop from 8 to 10 so why not spoil some teams season - if they win more than one then they drop to something like 16 which would be typical lol
 
TLEF316 said:
Yeah, that's the thing. I absolutely understanding wanting an offensive coach. But Ben Johnson isn't taking the job. I'd rather take a "sure thing" like Vrabel than take the 2nd/3rd tier offensive options (whoever they are).

The improvement in Rodgers play has given some (IMO) false hope that they can win with him next year. And considering the cap implications that come with dumping him, I have a feeling that's the route they'll go.
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Totally agree - Vrabel >>>Nagy and mid crew.

I do think Rodgers was hurt much more than he let on - he was moving much better yesterday and it made a huge difference.

Its not like they are hitching their wagon to him long term - not sure what other options there are - nowhere near to draft a top QB. Darnold may be the only QB on the mkt that makes sense and cant imagine going there again. So draft another project mid rds and you have Rodgers as a stop gap for another year or 2. Problem is he may not want to go all in with new regime/playbook and at this point they cant let him call any shots anymore. Compromis in that event hopefully would be he lowers his contract and Jets deal/release him.

I have a feeling tho it will be a redo next year anyway
 
Dr. Octopus said:
Kiddnets said:
Huge culture building win as expected!
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I’m starting to get worried that Rodgers is starting to play well enough to come back another season.
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So far hes at 3,200 yds 23 TDs and 8 ints. Most of us would have taken these numbers before the season - big difference is he didnt come through in clutch and awful defense/coaching

To put in perspective - best Jets QB seasons in last 30 yrs:

Fitzpatrick 3,900 31 Tds 15 int
Vinny 3,200 29 TDs 7 ints
Chad 3,200 22 TDs 6 ints
 
Yeah, Rodgers' numbers look ok on the surface and the record is obviously not entirely his fault (kicking cost them games early and the D has consistently folded) but Aaron has completely crapped the bed on several late drives....taking key sacks and throwing picks that basically ended games. He's also missed a handful of absolute layup throws that have swung games away from the Jets (example.....missed a WIDE open Garrett Wilson for a TD right before throwing the pick 6 against Seattle.

On another note......remember when people were dropping in this thread mocking the idea that Haasan Reddick needed to prove himself to get a long term team ("LOLZ....the guy has 50 sax in the last 5 yearz.....what does he need to proove!!!111")

Well......

Haason Reddick’s 49.8 PFF pass rush grade ranks 80th out of 81 EDGE to play at least 80+ pass rush snaps since Week 9.Reddick bottomed out in Week 15, finishing with an abysmal 34.5 PFF grade + a 33.0 run defense grade.


Doesn't make the trade (or the season) any better but at least they didn't give in and give this guy a long term deal. Unfortunately it probably does mean that whatever team signs him this Summer will be paying him MUCH less (meaning the Jets probably wont recoup a compensatory pick at all....let alone one close to the 3rd rounder they gave up to get him)
 
TLEF316 said:
Yeah, Rodgers' numbers look ok on the surface and the record is obviously not entirely his fault (kicking cost them games early and the D has consistently folded) but Aaron has completely crapped the bed on several late drives....taking key sacks and throwing picks that basically ended games. He's also missed a handful of absolute layup throws that have swung games away from the Jets (example.....missed a WIDE open Garrett Wilson for a TD right before throwing the pick 6 against Seattle.

On another note......remember when people were dropping in this thread mocking the idea that Haasan Reddick needed to prove himself to get a long term team ("LOLZ....the guy has 50 sax in the last 5 yearz.....what does he need to proove!!!111")

Well......

Haason Reddick’s 49.8 PFF pass rush grade ranks 80th out of 81 EDGE to play at least 80+ pass rush snaps since Week 9.Reddick bottomed out in Week 15, finishing with an abysmal 34.5 PFF grade + a 33.0 run defense grade.


Doesn't make the trade (or the season) any better but at least they didn't give in and give this guy a long term deal. Unfortunately it probably does mean that whatever team signs him this Summer will be paying him MUCH less (meaning the Jets probably wont recoup a compensatory pick at all....let alone one close to the 3rd rounder they gave up to get him)
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JD already paid the price for the dumb trade but Reddick gave a master class in crushing value. I dont see any team giving him close to what he wants - he may have to take a 1 yr prove it deal.
 
Kiddnets said:
Dr. Octopus said:
Kiddnets said:
Huge culture building win as expected!
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I’m starting to get worried that Rodgers is starting to play well enough to come back another season.
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So far hes at 3,200 yds 23 TDs and 8 ints. Most of us would have taken these numbers before the season - big difference is he didnt come through in clutch and awful defense/coaching

To put in perspective - best Jets QB seasons in last 30 yrs:

Fitzpatrick 3,900 31 Tds 15 int
Vinny 3,200 29 TDs 7 ints
Chad 3,200 22 TDs 6 ints
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While he was directly responsible for a few losses, for the last 3-4 weeks he's been playing more than well enough to win games - the defense has been a let down.

If you remove all the "noise" and chaos he brings with him, he really hasn't had a terrible season, but the stink is just too strong for me to want him back. At least he's given us a little hope here down the stretch in case they do go in that direction. As long as I like the GM and HC hires, and they are pro-Aaron, then I suppose I can live with it but personally I want the rebuild to start NOW.
 
I watched most of game yesterday - and Rodgers looked excellent.

Olu Fashanu looked ridiculously athletic. I think he is going to be a real good one for the Jets.

The defensive line was just unimpressive to me. They need to give Williams help inside and need an edge rusher. I think this is the way to go in the draft.

If they are going to run it back with Rodgers they need to get him a receiving threat at tight end. Free agent class is really weak but rookie class is deep with high end talent as well (3 possible first round grade tight ends).
 
Balco said:
I watched most of game yesterday - and Rodgers looked excellent.

Olu Fashanu looked ridiculously athletic. I think he is going to be a real good one for the Jets.

The defensive line was just unimpressive to me. They need to give Williams help inside and need an edge rusher. I think this is the way to go in the draft.

If they are going to run it back with Rodgers they need to get him a receiving threat at tight end. Free agent class is really weak but rookie class is deep with high end talent as well (3 possible first round grade tight ends).
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Rodgers' mobility was a big part of it - makes me think he was banged up way more than they let on - as Doc said above - if he finishes strong then Id feel better about him staying another yr while they find a new QB.

JD/Saleh really botched the D - especially DL. It was one of the best in the league and they got way too cute. Im sure some of it was losing Saleh but big step back to the point where they may need to use precious draft resources on the D,

With Tippman/Olu set they dont have to blow a top pick/FA on OL but def need another good one - maybe they sign AVT on the cheap as he cant stay healthy and at least know him. Then need to add the DL - Q is in his prime, W Mcd is settling in as a solid pass rusher - gotta hope JJ comes back but cant count on him the same with that injury. Run stuffer is a must - I also like Abdul Carter from Penn st.
 
I'm open to pretty much whatever for next year TBH. Get the coach/GM right and let them decide what they want to do with Rodgers/Adams. Making that decision before those jobs are filled is more of the same Jets disfunction. There is enough talent on this roster that they don't need a complete rebuild, but when you don't have a QB of the future it always seems like a long road ahead. Teams like the 49ers, Lions and Steelers have figured it out on the fly and without tanking for a top pick QB so it can be done.
 
Yeah....at this point....if you operate under the assumption that Rodgers and Adams are coming back and nobody of consequence is traded......

- QB wont be a "need". I would imagine they would consider a developmental guy to compete with Travis
- RB obviously isn't a need although they need to decide how they're going to handle Breece long term. As a 2nd rounder, he has no 5th year option. He's a FA after next season.
-WR......obviously Davante is under contract. I would imagine they'll explore paying Garrett this off-season to try and get the past cap situation possible. The Corley pick looks awful right now so you can't rely on him. Lazard has 1 more year on his deal but they can save nearly all of it by cutting post 6/1.

-O line is actually in good shape with with all 5 likely starters (assuming they still want Moses at RT) under contract. AVT's 5th year was picked up, Olu and Tippman are on rookie deals, Simpson looking like a bargain.

-TE....Ruckert aint it and Conklin isn't a 1. Upgrade needed here.

-DL- Q and McDonald obviously keepers. Jermaine Johnson under contract but who how how he bounces back post-Achilles. Everyone else stinks and should be replaced. I'd be very surprised if this isn't the first round pick.

LB- Other Q still great. Sherwood is a FA and should be a priorty re-sign. Mosley is a likely cap casualty although it looks like the dead money will be signifcant. Not sure about anyone else.

DB- Would imagine Reed is probably gone. Just too expensive. Carter II is signed (Struggled this year due to injuries but bet he bounces back).......Echols also a FA and it will be interesting to see what he gets. Small, but has performed pretty much every time he's called into duty. Obviously need to figure out what they're doing with Sauce. Doesn't look like any safeties are under contract for next year.

Need a long-term kicker answer.

I would assume DL is their first round target....maybe TE, CB or safety in the 2nd. Use free agency to fill out the DL (specifically run defenders)
 
TLEF316 said:
Yeah....at this point....if you operate under the assumption that Rodgers and Adams are coming back and nobody of consequence is traded......

- QB wont be a "need". I would imagine they would consider a developmental guy to compete with Travis
- RB obviously isn't a need although they need to decide how they're going to handle Breece long term. As a 2nd rounder, he has no 5th year option. He's a FA after next season.
-WR......obviously Davante is under contract. I would imagine they'll explore paying Garrett this off-season to try and get the past cap situation possible. The Corley pick looks awful right now so you can't rely on him. Lazard has 1 more year on his deal but they can save nearly all of it by cutting post 6/1.

-O line is actually in good shape with with all 5 likely starters (assuming they still want Moses at RT) under contract. AVT's 5th year was picked up, Olu and Tippman are on rookie deals, Simpson looking like a bargain.

-TE....Ruckert aint it and Conklin isn't a 1. Upgrade needed here.

-DL- Q and McDonald obviously keepers. Jermaine Johnson under contract but who how how he bounces back post-Achilles. Everyone else stinks and should be replaced. I'd be very surprised if this isn't the first round pick.

LB- Other Q still great. Sherwood is a FA and should be a priorty re-sign. Mosley is a likely cap casualty although it looks like the dead money will be signifcant. Not sure about anyone else.

DB- Would imagine Reed is probably gone. Just too expensive. Carter II is signed (Struggled this year due to injuries but bet he bounces back).......Echols also a FA and it will be interesting to see what he gets. Small, but has performed pretty much every time he's called into duty. Obviously need to figure out what they're doing with Sauce. Doesn't look like any safeties are under contract for next year.

Need a long-term kicker answer.

I would assume DL is their first round target....maybe TE, CB or safety in the 2nd. Use free agency to fill out the DL (specifically run defenders)
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good stuff - agree with most

overthecap has them around $33M under the cap next year assuming they dont dump and take huge hit for Arod/Devante. Thats enough to extend GW and even Breece if they want. Usually the extensions are structured pretty low 1st yr. If Rodgers/Adams stay I could also see them restructuring to bring in more talent.

Its so Jet like that they have a killer def and we all think they are just a QB away - get a HOF QB and then the D collapses! This is where if they cant get a top offensive mind - a guy like Vrabel can come in and really hit the ground running. He would already have a solid O and if he retools the D its not crazy to think they can compete next year. With good coaching and kicking they would be still in the playoff hunt - add in a better Def and who knows.

But again - this is all contingent on the next regime wanting to run it back. I just dont see another option at this point.
 
If they are going to run it back, I think Vrabel makes a ton of sense. I would normally say they need an offensive coach but Vrabel will bring overall discipline to their play and that is good for several extra wins.

I would just hyper focus on front 7 in the off season. Even trade down in first for depth. If they could come away with any of the big 3 tight ends in the draft (Warren, Loveland, Fannin (I love fannin)) in the second that would be huge.
 
Balco said:
If they are going to run it back, I think Vrabel makes a ton of sense. I would normally say they need an offensive coach but Vrabel will bring overall discipline to their play and that is good for several extra wins.

I would just hyper focus on front 7 in the off season. Even trade down in first for depth. If they could come away with any of the big 3 tight ends in the draft (Warren, Loveland, Fannin (I love fannin)) in the second that would be huge.
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Im growing warmer on Vrabel/Robinson duo - they had a lot of success in Tenn. Made some dumb decisions as to Tanny and Brown but what GM doesnt mess up some. Im more interested in Vrabel as HC. I was shocked he wasnt in the Patriots pipeline - he would be a monster improvement over the last regime.

I really want an offensive coach but dont see a great candidate besides the Lions OC who wont come within 100 miles of Jets. Other offensive options either awful prior HCs like Nagy and Arthur smith - or complete unknowns like Monken, Brady, Buff Oc, etc - Id have to lean Vrabel if thats the choices.
 
Kiddnets said:
Balco said:
If they are going to run it back, I think Vrabel makes a ton of sense. I would normally say they need an offensive coach but Vrabel will bring overall discipline to their play and that is good for several extra wins.

I would just hyper focus on front 7 in the off season. Even trade down in first for depth. If they could come away with any of the big 3 tight ends in the draft (Warren, Loveland, Fannin (I love fannin)) in the second that would be huge.
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Im growing warmer on Vrabel/Robinson duo - they had a lot of success in Tenn. Made some dumb decisions as to Tanny and Brown but what GM doesnt mess up some. Im more interested in Vrabel as HC. I was shocked he wasnt in the Patriots pipeline - he would be a monster improvement over the last regime.

I really want an offensive coach but dont see a great candidate besides the Lions OC who wont come within 100 miles of Jets. Other offensive options either awful prior HCs like Nagy and Arthur smith - or complete unknowns like Monken, Brady, Buff Oc, etc - Id have to lean Vrabel if thats the choices.
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Would be interesting to see if Vrabel reunited with Arthur Smith. He had his warts as a head coach without a doubt, but the guy knows how to get a running game going.
 
Robinson/Vrabel. I was going to type I was really excited, but then I remember Tennessee and what they looked like for so long.

You know if they’re doing the draft, we’re going trenches. And Davante will no longer be with us; it’ll be Wilson. They run that Tennessee system where only one receiver is truly functional and the other guy just blocks.

What that all means is that we’re going to be a Tennessee clone, and now that I keep typing I’m not really looking forward to that. I love the aerial shows. So, booo, no Robinson and Vrabel.
 
Balco said:
Kiddnets said:
Balco said:
If they are going to run it back, I think Vrabel makes a ton of sense. I would normally say they need an offensive coach but Vrabel will bring overall discipline to their play and that is good for several extra wins.

I would just hyper focus on front 7 in the off season. Even trade down in first for depth. If they could come away with any of the big 3 tight ends in the draft (Warren, Loveland, Fannin (I love fannin)) in the second that would be huge.
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Im growing warmer on Vrabel/Robinson duo - they had a lot of success in Tenn. Made some dumb decisions as to Tanny and Brown but what GM doesnt mess up some. Im more interested in Vrabel as HC. I was shocked he wasnt in the Patriots pipeline - he would be a monster improvement over the last regime.

I really want an offensive coach but dont see a great candidate besides the Lions OC who wont come within 100 miles of Jets. Other offensive options either awful prior HCs like Nagy and Arthur smith - or complete unknowns like Monken, Brady, Buff Oc, etc - Id have to lean Vrabel if thats the choices.
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Would be interesting to see if Vrabel reunited with Arthur Smith. He had his warts as a head coach without a doubt, but the guy knows how to get a running game going.
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Like Arthur Smith as an OC - not so much as HC. No shot he leaves Pitt unless gets the HC job.
 
rockaction said:
Robinson/Vrabel. I was going to type I was really excited, but then I remember Tennessee and what they looked like for so long.

You know if they’re doing the draft, we’re going trenches. And Davante will no longer be with us; it’ll be Wilson. They run that Tennessee system where only one receiver is truly functional and the other guy just blocks.

What that all means is that we’re going to be a Tennessee clone, and now that I keep typing I’m not really looking forward to that. I love the aerial shows. So, booo, no Robinson and Vrabel.
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Tenn clone when they went to playoffs and won doesnt seem to bad lol - im open to other options just dont see them - what do you see as possible better options......
 
Kiddnets said:
what do you see as possible better options...
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I don’t know. It’s impossible to tell who the candidates even are at this point because not only is the season still going, I don’t have any insider information on who would be a good hire. Only the people in charge know the possibilities. I mean, I love paying attention to the NFL, but I don’t know who is an assistant GM we might poach. My knowledge doesn’t run that deeply.

One might hope that we get a younger GM that has a scout’s eye and uses quantitative formulas to his advantage vis a vis the draft and other personnel issues who would hire a head coach like Ben Johnson (OC of the Lions) to come along with him. That’s likely not happening so I’ll stick to the candidates as they are considered.

Robinson/Vrabel might be the best we can do. If that’s the case, then I’m all for it!
 
I was wondering why my texts went crazy this am - its not bad enough that the fans have to endure losing seasons and a meddling owner - but stories like this are just the icing on the cake. Im trying very hard to not believe it but it seems like several source - likely JD's revenge.

I always downplayed the Woody factor - he always paid when needed and while clearly too involved it didnt seem over the top - this story is brutal. Good luck bringing in anyone good now.
 
fatness said:
Report: Woody Johnson killed trade for Jerry Jeudy over his Madden rating

I was going to say "This can't possibly be true, can it?" until I remembered all the stupid things Dan Snyder did that hurt Washington for 20 years. And Russini's article is pretty long and well-sourced so I guess it is true. My condolences to Jets fans; there's really nothing that can be done about a bad owner other than wait them out.
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We can wait out Woody whose in his 70s but his kids that look pretty bad in the article will likely succeed him - so unless NFL gets sick of him and forces him our or Bezos/Cohen makes him an offer he cant refuse, Jets fans are stuck with Woody and his brood.
 
No we’re not. I simply won’t support them in any way any longer. Time is way past due. Time to sell the team or lose fans. Not everybody is beholden to their boyhood team or kelly green. Screw that.

I’ve had it with billionaire clowns. No, I don’t want them executed in broad daylight, but divestiture of this entity would be a nice change of pace for Johnson, who is an *** clown of epic proportions.
 
The Athletic story is devastating. The rational expectation is to hear a response, a change in how things will be going forward. But billionaires don't usually react to things like this in the way most normal people consider to be rational. I expect Ambassador Johnson to double down.
 
rockaction said:
No we’re not. I simply won’t support them in any way any longer. Time is way past due. Time to sell the team or lose fans. Not everybody is beholden to their boyhood team or kelly green. Screw that.

I’ve had it with billionaire clowns. No, I don’t want them executed in broad daylight, but divestiture of this entity would be a nice change of pace for Johnson, who is an *** clown of epic proportions.
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Wish I could not support - too much in the DNA at this point. Just remember Dolan was the worst owner in sports - found great people to run his franchises and things turned around.

I listened to a bunch of podcasts with inside reporters and was surprised to hear some defend Woody a bit saying its a bit overblown and he actually stays with GM/coaches too long and then jumps in....he is pretty hands off the 1st few yrs.

Pray he makes good hires this time around or else we'll be back in few yrs
 
Another loss they had to find a way to get - of course if they did that vs the JAgs they would be sitting at the 3rd overall pick right now but I digress. Awful coaching - Rodgers upsetting GWill by force feeding every pass to Devante. What a mess - new coaching staff/GM have some tough decisions to make.

Buffalo this week the the fish - currently sitting at #8 - worse they can drop is #11 so meaningless wins wont be too impactful -

if lose both they could move up - need to root for Tenn (Jax/Hou) , Raiders (NO, LAC) and Car (TB, Atl) - realistically highest would be #5 if all 3 win one down stretch and jets lose out - fun draft game as usual.
 
Please no more Rodgers. I rather watch Tyrod Taylor next season. I hate this guy with a passion.

Give me back my lovable Breece and Wilson.
 
Well it finally happened - complete give up mail it in performance. No one looked interested. Its amazing it took this long. Rodgers and others just look like they want out

What an awful season - there have been many but not this bad I can remember.

Going to be many different directions they can go - run it back with Rodgers/Adams or just rip it down to the studs. Only must keep players IMO are Olu, Tipman and GW - Id listen to anyone else.
 
Unfortunately I think it will have to be Rodgers again if only because they’re too low down to get one of the rookie QBs and the free agency QB market looks pretty barren (and competitive).
 
tank update - No real need to tank as they are that bad and quit.

Current pick #7

upside tough to say as a lot of combinations - could see a scenario where they move pretty high up

downside - 10th pick is they win and all goes against them

BTW - if interest - if they didnt win that meaningless Jag game they would be sitting at #2
 
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