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the iPad fanny pack. It's ok, cause Apple makes it.O/U number of days till Otis has an IPAD belt clip
3C's
Footballguy
$110
I'll stick with my $3, closeout special, backpack. That is way nicer looking than my ugly ### backpack though.
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
I don't have an iPad but I do have an iPhone, so I can try to take a stab at this. For one, websites aren't designed with a touch interface in mind. On a screen as large as the iPad's, I'm guessing you wouldn't really have much difficulty navigating the Facebook website - but even if it's easy, it's intuitive that a site designed specifically for a touchscreen like the iPad's would be easier. Things are laid out differently, links, menus, etc. are more intuitive for the touchscreen... Granted, the iPad display is probably more like a laptop monitor than a mobile device, so the design argument maybe doesn't apply as much, but it's still a consideration.Perhaps more importantly, an app allows for features like push notifications and badges and whatnot (at least, on the iPhone, and I imagine the iPad would have similar functionality). That is, if someone posts something on my Facebook wall, I normally wouldn't know until I went and checked the site. With the Facebook app, I can set it to be alerted immediately, or it can put a little (1) in the corner of the Facebook app icon so I know there's a message in there waiting for me or something.That's Facebook-specific, of course, and that may not sound too exciting (I'm sure many people don't care to know right away if someone posted something to their Wall or whatever). But in general, that kind of functionality is a big advantage of apps over websites IMO. I don't know if this actually exists, but in theory it would be like the difference between manually visiting various ESPN.com pages to check on scores and schedules of your favorite teams, or having an ESPN app which would alert you whenever one of your favorite teams had a game starting, and providing a simple touch menu that takes you to the box score, video highlights, etc.
Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
Ignoratio said it well.
I would just sum it up saying that designing your site specific to the actual device that will be used on it, improves the user experience in navigating your site and therefore sustains and builds your audience.
Just like you don't design the same way for print as you do for the web, we are now starting to break the web down by device because all devices have different interfaces.
Footballguys (the forums especially) are laid out to work well on a desktop/laptop. But try posting on this forum on a mobile device, the experience is not as good but if you tailored these forums to work well on an IPAD or Mobile phone, you might find that you get more regular visitors to the site.
I would just sum it up saying that designing your site specific to the actual device that will be used on it, improves the user experience in navigating your site and therefore sustains and builds your audience.
Just like you don't design the same way for print as you do for the web, we are now starting to break the web down by device because all devices have different interfaces.
Footballguys (the forums especially) are laid out to work well on a desktop/laptop. But try posting on this forum on a mobile device, the experience is not as good but if you tailored these forums to work well on an IPAD or Mobile phone, you might find that you get more regular visitors to the site.
3C's
Footballguy
No problems posting on forums here and elsewhere with my mobile device. Maybe it's the device at fault.
3C's
Footballguy
I see no difference when using my mobile other than speed (Verizon 3G versus laptop's 11GB cable).
The Commish
Footballguy
Do you or have you ever worked for AOL??That would be a fair comparison except it's not. They're both $499
This is a classic case that harks back to all the "haters" who tout devices with far superior "specs". This JooJoo has a bigger screen with a much faster processor, 4x as much memory, displays Flash, etc... yet the end user experience is far far inferior to the iPad. Better hardware numbers doesn't always translate into a better product. GUI is Apple's specialty.
I'm certainly intrigued by this theoretical systems that everyone has in the works that all seem to have more powerful hardware... but I'm skeptical that anyone will have a better overall product/experience than the iPad. It could happen but I'm not holding my breath.
Like I've said, there will always be those who like the way things work and not care what's under the covers or what it's capable of doing vs other machines. Apple absolutely owns those people and it's not even close.ETA: I am not suggesting you are one of these people icon...but I've heard this sentiment a million times. I know people that wouldn't care if Apple put their "experience" on a 286 as long as they got the experience.
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3C's
Footballguy
What does "giant screen" have to do with functionality? I'm holding my phone in front of my laptop on this same screen. They look exactly the same other than font size. Taking your giant screen as a reference I guess the forums work better on my 15" laptop lcd than on your 9" ipad.
Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
3C's
Footballguy
Mine formats the page to fit the screen. Do have to scroll up and down, but I'd have to scroll up and down more on my 15" laptop versus my 24" lcd on the desktop. I can read and reply on the forums just fine and as easily on my phone as my laptop.
Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
Ned
Footballguy
Flip that badboy to portrait and that's how I view 90% of the web on my iphone. No need to zoom.
culdeus
Footballguy
Well I got to play with some of these this morning. I work for a key apple vendor so they sent a few for us to play with.
A few comments
-Yeah, it's pretty much a great big itouch. Whatever.
-Best use of this is probably as a reader and viewer of newspaper/tv content. Though the ABC news ap crashed on me 3x. The NYT and USA today apps were slick.
-Keyboard seemed real odd. Especially when set on the side. Very, very hard to type like that. Set upright it was easier to type, but then it wasn't as easy to balance such that the screen was not all glared. I'm so used to the touch/blackberry keyboards that are super cramped that when you take that style and spread it out it's almost too much to handle.
I may take one home one night this week and really mess around with it. Absolutely not in the market for this device though.
A few comments
-Yeah, it's pretty much a great big itouch. Whatever.
-Best use of this is probably as a reader and viewer of newspaper/tv content. Though the ABC news ap crashed on me 3x. The NYT and USA today apps were slick.
-Keyboard seemed real odd. Especially when set on the side. Very, very hard to type like that. Set upright it was easier to type, but then it wasn't as easy to balance such that the screen was not all glared. I'm so used to the touch/blackberry keyboards that are super cramped that when you take that style and spread it out it's almost too much to handle.
I may take one home one night this week and really mess around with it. Absolutely not in the market for this device though.
Jason Bourne
Footballguy
glvsav37
Footballguy
"Functionality" is a lot more then just font size. the added real estate allows for better placement of additional navigation, sidebar information and other 'related' content in view at any given time. All of this allows the user many more options or directions to follow from 1 given page. In typical mobile applications/interfaces the viewer would generally have a "Table of contents" type screen that they would jump from. Should they want to view additional content, they would need to go back to that TOC screen and then on to the next item of interest. By adding space for better 'Functionality" you eliminate the extra clicks/page loads when jumping between pages.IMDB for iPod/Phone
IMDB for iPad
RSS reader on iPod/Phone
RSS on iPad
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Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
Jason Bourne
Footballguy
I mentioned this somewhere before - but my causal web surfing has evolved from using a desktop as my primary tool, to my laptop, to my phone, and now to the ipad.
I liked the smart phone, and the convenience that it brought, but the ipad is a much better experience for me when I am home. Easy/quick access, big screen, easy to maneuver, etc. I can still use the phone, but I prefer to use the ipad. (My lap top rarely makes it out of the bag, unless I have specific work to do. It is bulkier, takes longer to get up and running, and has a pretty limited battery life - so I usually end up with it plugged in somewhere. It does multi-task better - in the sense that I can have several things running at once - spreadsheet, document, mail, web browser, etc. so if I am working on something, I probably would set up the laptop. If I am out somewhere and need to check/send an e-mail or look up something on-line - the phone is still the right tool for the job.
I liked the smart phone, and the convenience that it brought, but the ipad is a much better experience for me when I am home. Easy/quick access, big screen, easy to maneuver, etc. I can still use the phone, but I prefer to use the ipad. (My lap top rarely makes it out of the bag, unless I have specific work to do. It is bulkier, takes longer to get up and running, and has a pretty limited battery life - so I usually end up with it plugged in somewhere. It does multi-task better - in the sense that I can have several things running at once - spreadsheet, document, mail, web browser, etc. so if I am working on something, I probably would set up the laptop. If I am out somewhere and need to check/send an e-mail or look up something on-line - the phone is still the right tool for the job.
iamsmilin
I want one, but I'm not creative
I knew that would get some response when I was typing it.You just added 3 more pages.
Redding
Footballguy
I'm really enjoying reading on this thing in bed at night -- between surfing the web, reading the times, and reading books, I find that I am constantly on the thing. My fiancee will likely begin to hate it soon (though, then again, she more or less is constantly on her iPhone...)
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Insoxicated
When I refer to the experience, a LARGE portion of that is how well and how fast it works. I wouldn't even consider an iPad if it had the delays/lag that my WinMo (HTC Fuze) phone has. A large portion of what makes the apple experience great is their devices are almost always sufficiently powered to deliver fluid experiences with instant (or near instant) response times. So in a sense... I care very much about whats under the hood. If they were running these on 286 boxes I'd be annoyed with the non-seamless performance and wouldn't even consider it as an option.
Just saying. I love apple products because of how well they perform, not just because they're apple products.
Card Trader
Footballguy
Has anyone in here experienced the wide spread wi-fi issues that so many are having with their iPads?
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Not Allowed In Mexico
Nope. Mine's lightning fast.
What kind of issues? And you know they're wide spread how?J
Jason Bourne
Footballguy
Nope - no problems at home or at work.
Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
The tips include moving closer to a Wi-Fi router or hot spot and making sure the Wi-Fi router is plugged in and the power is turned on.
3C's
Footballguy
Yes. Maybe even easier than my laptop with using speech to text or swype for input. and using my finger to scroll instead of a touchpad.
Jason Bourne
Footballguy
I will say that traditional media still has a few lessons to learn - I did not download it, but I understand the Time Magazine app retails for $4.99 - but is only good for a single edition of the magazine. It appears that they intend to roll out a new app for every edition - and I can't imagine anyone paying $4.99 for each edition.
They probably need to figure out an advertising based model, that could be supplemented by a nominal annual app fee.
MLB charges $14.99 for the entire year, and provides updated content daily. I don't know what the subscription cost for a year of Time would be, but they need to come in with a price in that vicinity if they want to make it work.
They probably need to figure out an advertising based model, that could be supplemented by a nominal annual app fee.
MLB charges $14.99 for the entire year, and provides updated content daily. I don't know what the subscription cost for a year of Time would be, but they need to come in with a price in that vicinity if they want to make it work.
Card Trader
Footballguy
Quite a stink about the wifi probs, wonder if it's something a software update can fix or if it is due to bad hardware. Stay tuned 
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Not Allowed In Mexico
Quite a stink about the wifi probs, wonder if it's something a software update can fix or if it is due to bad hardware. Stay tuned
Exaggerate much?
Redding
Footballguy
I've experienced this issues in a limited sense.Supposedly a lot of people were having problems with the WiFi, in two senses. One, it would drop and make you reconnect to your router (put in the password again) at random times. I have experienced this. No idea why. The other is that people say they have only one bar of signal strength even though they are right near the router. However, these same people tended to report speeds seemed fine. One of the apparent "fixes" was if you have an a/b/g router, you change the router settings so only the G is enabled. Then apparently it is blazing fast and the problems go away. I have had no problem with my connection speed at all -- it has been super snappy. But I have had some issues where I have to reconnect and put in the password again. Hasn't bothered me enough yet to try and fix it, but I noticed it. Also, I noticed that while I was in some other places, I couldn't pick up many routers where I thought I would. Maybe I was just in an area where there weren't any, but it surprised me.There's a lengthy thread on this over at the macrumors forum with a lot of good info. We'll see if it's a real problem and, if so, I assume it will be resolved in the new OS release.
Card Trader
Footballguy
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2362319,00.aspQuite a stink about the wifi probs, wonder if it's something a software update can fix or if it is due to bad hardware. Stay tunedExaggerate much?
" Apple's support forum is being bombarded by user complaints centering on the iPad's inability to maintain a full, steady Wi-Fi connection."
"On Monday, Apple posted a Knowledge Base article, pertaining to these issues. Not only does the article make suggestions for a remedy, it gives legitimacy to the fact that Apple considers this a very real issue."
No exaggeration here.
Redding
Footballguy
It has done so for me. I now read the NYTimes on the subway during my commute and love it. Commute goes fast and I actually read the paper (something I haven't done in ... well, ever?). And I'm working through some books I've always wanted to (I'm reading The Singularity is Near right now -- had purchased in hardcopy and got through a hundred pages and then it sat and collected dust in my apartment -- now that I have downloaded it, I'm working my way through it and enjoying it). Also I downloaded a bunch of the free books last night based on a tip in here. It's a pretty awesome collection of free classics.
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Not Allowed In Mexico
I don't like eBay's approach with their app.
Seems rushed. Showing search results inside of big, stacked boxes seems kinda cheesy. I'd prefer more of the horizontal bar approach like you see in Twitterific. Seems like that'd be more of what your used to from the main site as well. I'd imagine they'll tweak it as time goes on. It'd be nice if you could create listings too. Think I'll stick to the eBay.com for now.
Seems rushed. Showing search results inside of big, stacked boxes seems kinda cheesy. I'd prefer more of the horizontal bar approach like you see in Twitterific. Seems like that'd be more of what your used to from the main site as well. I'd imagine they'll tweak it as time goes on. It'd be nice if you could create listings too. Think I'll stick to the eBay.com for now.
The Commish
Footballguy
Is this serious?I've experienced this issues in a limited sense.Supposedly a lot of people were having problems with the WiFi, in two senses. One, it would drop and make you reconnect to your router (put in the password again) at random times. I have experienced this. No idea why. The other is that people say they have only one bar of signal strength even though they are right near the router. However, these same people tended to report speeds seemed fine. One of the apparent "fixes" was if you have an a/b/g router, you change the router settings so only the G is enabled. Then apparently it is blazing fast and the problems go away.
I have had no problem with my connection speed at all -- it has been super snappy. But I have had some issues where I have to reconnect and put in the password again. Hasn't bothered me enough yet to try and fix it, but I noticed it. Also, I noticed that while I was in some other places, I couldn't pick up many routers where I thought I would. Maybe I was just in an area where there weren't any, but it surprised me.
There's a lengthy thread on this over at the macrumors forum with a lot of good info. We'll see if it's a real problem and, if so, I assume it will be resolved in the new OS release.
Redding
Footballguy
That's what people in the thread were saying. I didn't read it super closely. I guess if you don't have old devices that run only on a/b bands, there's no difference.Is this serious?I've experienced this issues in a limited sense.Supposedly a lot of people were having problems with the WiFi, in two senses. One, it would drop and make you reconnect to your router (put in the password again) at random times. I have experienced this. No idea why. The other is that people say they have only one bar of signal strength even though they are right near the router. However, these same people tended to report speeds seemed fine. One of the apparent "fixes" was if you have an a/b/g router, you change the router settings so only the G is enabled. Then apparently it is blazing fast and the problems go away.
I have had no problem with my connection speed at all -- it has been super snappy. But I have had some issues where I have to reconnect and put in the password again. Hasn't bothered me enough yet to try and fix it, but I noticed it. Also, I noticed that while I was in some other places, I couldn't pick up many routers where I thought I would. Maybe I was just in an area where there weren't any, but it surprised me.
There's a lengthy thread on this over at the macrumors forum with a lot of good info. We'll see if it's a real problem and, if so, I assume it will be resolved in the new OS release.
Question on the 3g plans.
One is 250mb a month. The other plan is unlimited.
Is 250mb a month much? Can someone put that in more practical terms?
J
One is 250mb a month. The other plan is unlimited.
Is 250mb a month much? Can someone put that in more practical terms?
J
The Commish
Footballguy
Will this device not run on anything but G networks? That can't be true.That's what people in the thread were saying. I didn't read it super closely. I guess if you don't have old devices that run only on a/b bands, there's no difference.
Redding
Footballguy
Seems to me like you could tear through it pretty quickly, particularly if you are downloading large files. Then again, if you're using it mostly at home, and only a handful of times per month out on the road, I would think it would be fine. It probably depends a lot on your surfing habits, and my guess is there's no way to really figure out how far that will get you until you try it.The only good thing about the plans is that, if you go over the 250mb, you can switch to the unlimited plan for that month at any time. So at least there is a cap on how much you'll spend, regardless. And given that they have this flexibility, it seems to me the best way to do it is always select the limited plan and if you stay under that month, you save some money, and if not, well you just move to unlimited.
Standard recordable = DVD 4.7 Gigs. So roughly 53 DVDs a month. Not sure how much a streamed version of a movie expands or contracts over the average DVD burn.
Redding
Footballguy
No, that's not true. It runs on all the bands. This is just a supposed fix that some internet dudes figured out and shared with others.Will this device not run on anything but G networks? That can't be true.That's what people in the thread were saying. I didn't read it super closely. I guess if you don't have old devices that run only on a/b bands, there's no difference.
More like 1/16th of a DVD
Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
I looked at my data usage on my AT&T bill for the last 5 months (for my iPhone) in MB:144144121140128I think you would be fine with 250MB, you would only need unlimited if you rarely used wifi or used the 3G to download movies and such (which you should try to avoid since wifi would be better for this).
