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Agreed that for this to be successful, it needs to be super easy as you say. And not just for iphone users. There's a reason that tivo was so successful. It did something great and was incredibly easy to use. Apple knows this and I'm sure learned from Apple TV.Will be interesting to see if they go here.The bigger thing I believe is it's a natural environment to sell video exactly as they sell music. That just seems too similar for them to pass on.J
I'm not being a hater just curious.On my 360 for example - A) I have a universal remote
I can stream netfilix, browse my photos, stream music, watch my recorded television, they even have stupid facebook.Same for the PS3.Or I can just plug in my laptop to my TV and use my wirleless mouse and stream from there.I understand what you are saying about the average joe but I think even the average joe could do most of these things without much effort. I understand Apple will clean it up and present it in a new way for eveyone, I just don't see what else they would accomplish with the AppleTV productResponded before your edit.I personally am not a fan of everything becoming ALL Digital. I know many are but I still like owning a video disc.If they can get a fiber optic source I think it would be better but the cable companies will fight that
Exactly. But whatever. The hope is the other posts get better and drown out this type of stuff. J
Oh no doubt. Imagine the prospect of being able to watch any movie/DVR/TV show you want while driving cross country or waiting in the ariport. Access your entire photo library while visiting family to show them pictures of whatever. Control your music from anywhere in the house. No more syncing DVRs one room to the next. Etc. Basically instant access to everything. From anywhere.Radio remote with touchscreen would be
My .02 on it bell is that Xbox is in a weird spot with non gamers. There is an impression (right or wrong) that Xbox or PS just doesn't connect with the guy wanting to just watch TV. Where as an Apple specific product just for that would. It's weird. But I saw that some with Blu Ray. Somehow buying a PS to use primarily as a blu ray player just seems wrong. I'm not saying it's rational. But it's there.I think Xbox faces some of that where Apple wouldn't. I dunno.JI'm not being a hater just curious.On my 360 for example - A) I have a universal remote
This is why I think it won't gain steam, simply for the fact that the market is saturated with alternatives for that "all in one" and yet they all do ok.Sure Apple could package it and live off it's loyal fanbase to get it jump started and it could thrive but I think there are a ton of alternatives out prior to apple that they may struggle.Apple will have to do like the Ipod make a product that is "better" that the market. I personally don't believe it's better but many do.ODoyleRules said:
People aren't ready yet. The technology isn't ready yet. That's why Apple is sitting on AppleTV for the time being. Make no mistake... it's coming. The tablet PC was attempted repeatedly. It failed every time... until the technology was ready. Notice that when apple finally pulled the ripcord and jumped, they were ready. View AppleTV like Newton. It was a proof of concept... now they're just waiting for the world to catch up then they unleash the big dogs. Apple is sitting on a MASSIVE wad of cash. This is intentional. When the time is right they will gobble up companies and make all hte moves needed to make this work. Microsoft are idiots when it comes to the general consumer. Don't put any faith in the relative failure WIndows Media Center as proof this concept is doomedODoyleRules said:
TiVO is still trying. Hence the TiVO Premiere. I think most failures have been because they have worked from the TV-Side box out. You have to work from the cloud in, with the attractive and seamless interface on the mobile device.ODoyleRules said:
I could see that. They are definitely not marketed as an entertainment unit... We are in a weird spot. I hate all digital because I don't feel like I can control the content, meaning with a disc I can ripp it, put it in what format I want for what viewing I want. Digital stream or downloads I'm afraid i lose that flexibility. That is on reason I don't own a blue-ray player because of upconversion and switching to streaming. I did tell my wife if we do get a blue ray player to just get a PS3 and she was why do you need a gaming system?Joe Bryant said:My .02 on it bell is that Xbox is in a weird spot with non gamers. There is an impression (right or wrong) that Xbox or PS just doesn't connect with the guy wanting to just watch TV. Where as an Apple specific product just for that would. It's weird. But I saw that some with Blu Ray. Somehow buying a PS to use primarily as a blu ray player just seems wrong. I'm not saying it's rational. But it's there.I think Xbox faces some of that where Apple wouldn't. I dunno.Jbelljr said:I'm not being a hater just curious.On my 360 for example - A) I have a universal remote[icon] said:
Now blue rays are cheaper but I explained to her everything else we can do with it and she "understood"
This is flawed thinking IMO. There are lots of people doing it, but nobody is doing it right.
Bingo. TiVo is another company I could see Apple Going after. (unless they've ben snapped up by someone else that I missed
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On an unrelated note, I bet the touch screen will make the 2010 Babe Brakets a more, uhm, personal experience for those with an IPAD.The Commish said:Radio remote with touchscreen would be[icon] said:
has anyone confirmed if... um...bodily fluids are capacitive on the touch screen?
joey said:
ClassicHow many years are we going to hear this drivel?People aren't ready yet. The technology isn't ready yet. That's why Apple is sitting on AppleTV for the time being. Make no mistake... it's coming. The tablet PC was attempted repeatedly. It failed every time... until the technology was ready. Notice that when apple finally pulled the ripcord and jumped, they were ready. View AppleTV like Newton. It was a proof of concept... now they're just waiting for the world to catch up then they unleash the big dogs.ODoyleRules said:
Apple is sitting on a MASSIVE wad of cash. This is intentional. When the time is right they will gobble up companies and make all hte moves needed to make this work.
Microsoft are idiots when it comes to the general consumer. Don't put any faith in the relative failure WIndows Media Center as proof this concept is doomed
1) It's DRIVEL. Dribble is what you do with a basketball2) It's true. The average consumer's broadband connection is insufficient for downloading true HD content. That's coming. Also a 4G cellular network is far better for this. That's coming too. I appreciate your dedication to your obstinate stance, but you're wrong here. The sooner you admit that, the better.
got me before my editDefinitely not wrong on this
This may fall on many deaf ears here, but Apple has not seriously tried to push AppleTV yet. They have publicly called it a "hobby" for them right now. Reading between the lines, they know the market isn't ready for it yet. So they have been selling to a niche market, working the kinks out, and getting the rest of their media hub vision in place. They may never put a serious push behind it, but it's impossible to call it a massive failure when they've never made it a priority product.culdeus said:There is a huge gap waiting to be filled. WMP boxes are a little difficult for people to understand. IPTV wasn't mature enough when they launched AppleTV. This is not going to be the situation if they try this again.Chunky Soup said:Walton Goggins said:They're not and that's the point.This will be a good bump in a few years. We don't know, but I agree that Apple has its eyes on the TV market. Just makes too much sense given the paths they've already made there.
Ah yes the infamous Homophone "typo".
Definitely wrong on this. Wow that's so easy to type one sentence and declare myself correct like that. Try harder. Explain your stance please. Go.
Come on joe. It was a one line playful jab and then I backed it with legitimate discussion. I'm trying to get Goggins to expound on his stance on why this is not going to be where things are headed.
You can see my edit was done prior to your posting. For someone who loves to cry about people acting like jack-offs and tools you sure don't act differently. Guess you don't adhere to the "practice what you preach" motto. Back to the IpadiSuppli: $499 iPad components estimated at $260The dust has (mostly) settled, and iSuppli's analysis of the cost of the components that make up an iPad reveals that the hardware itself only accounts for about half the retail price of $499. Taken together, iSuppli estimates that the cost of the hardware components totals $259.60. This fact will be used widely to support criticism that the iPad is "too expensive," but it leaves out numerous costs in launching a product like the iPad.Unsurprisingly, the display contributed the most to the cost of the iPad. Along with the LCD panel, touch-sensitive overlay, glass covering, and necessary drive and touch electronics, that subsystem accounted for over 40 percent of the component costs. Flash memory was also a big contributor to the costs, and the higher priced iPad models maintained a component cost of roughly half the retail price as the storage capacity increased.Model Retail Price Hardware Cost Estimate Gross MarginiPad WiFi 16GB $499 $259.60 48.0iPad WiFi 32GB $599 $289.10 51.7iPad WiFi 64GB $699 $348.10 50.2These costs are higher than iSuppli's earlier estimates, but are quite similar to most Apple products, including the iPhone and iPod touch. While these figures might lead one to conclude Apple is gouging customers on hardware, the truth isn't quite that simple. Apple's gross margins have historically been about 30 percent on most hardware. That's quite a bit higher than the thin margins that most hardware companies live by (and try to make up for in volume), but it's still far less than commodities like clothes or a bottle of wine in a restaurant. (Not to mention the component costs for something like a CD or DVD—about $1 maximum, including packaging.)It's easy to conclude that another company could buy $260 worth of parts and make an iPad-like device and sell it for less, and that's probably true. But that doesn't account for things like research and development, design and engineering costs, or the effort that goes into iPhone OS (or any other software, for that matter). Whether the fit and finish Apple puts on its hardware are worth the extra cost or not is, of course, an entirely different matter.Ah yes the infamous Homophone "typo".Definitely wrong on this. Wow that's so easy to type one sentence and declare myself correct like that. Try harder. Explain your stance please. Go.
So when you do it, it's a playful "jab" while other people who act like complete tools aren't playing and you cry about it. People who act like you make me laugh. Might want to start acting as how you want others to act instead of coming off like a hypocrite.
It certainly could work for this purpose (and I was happy to see Skype onstage with Jobs at the 4.0 announcement yesterday) except that I don't think the iPad has an integrated microphone. I could be wrong about that, though.Sammy3469 said:
No, it's the whole thread. It's not playful at all. You may see it that way but the way it comes across is killing legit discussion. There is a ton of that in this thread and it's why it sucks so bad. This kind of stuff kills it for everyone else. What sucks is some of the folks doing it know better. But everyone wants to take their little digs and defend their little positions. I used to not understand when I had friends tell me getting out of the FFA was the best thing they ever did. Now I see. And as I said, maybe it's always been this way. I dunno. I just know threads like this used to be helpful and have good discussion. Not this one. Just starting to feel like a lost cause.
To be honest J, this "playful dig" didn't bother me. I made the edit before he posted and it speaks volumes to me when someone rips on someone for a typo. I think for the most part this thread has been informative.
Jobs really is a control freak, he is even dictating what can and cannot be output via a VGA cable?
I'm a little late to the party, but could part of the problem possibly be how seriously you take the internet?I respect the fact that Joe is trying to make this a good place for everyone - that's his job. He's in the right here. However, you're allowed to enjoy it a bit, rather than...well, do what you're doing. If you don't like a comment, you don't have to reply. Just reply to something else and ignore the original comment. It's not that difficult. When you do this, it makes it appear as though you just like to be in iFights and stir the pot--then blame someone else. It doesn't appear as though you actually enjoy the discussion.
It's awesome he does stuff like that - and a great PR move. It really quells the people who rip on him and Apple for those reasons. Making light of a situation is the easiest way to move past it.Nice work.
No...much better than the fanboy/hater pissing contest going on thus far.[icon] said:
I thought I saw an app that allowed you to use the ipad as a voice recorder - similar to the native app on the iphone. That led me to believe there is a microphone somewhere on the iPad - presumably with the speakers.
Actually, icon's brought it back to useful info IMO Joe. It's good info and the usual suspects haven't been in here pissing on each other. I didn't read his comments as anything but screwing around with Goggins.
serious question, does the iPad have 1 speaker or a pair of stereo speakers?
It's an Apple thread - this is pretty much how all Apple threads turn out. I'm agnostic re: tech products - I have PCs, multiple iPods, am an iTunes fanatic, currently use a BBerry b/c of work - it's not coincidental that most threads about tech products in the FFA are substantive and informative, while Apple threads are the suk. The problem is that every Apple discussion starts from the "this is the greatest, most magical, life changing, revolutionary product EVER". That type of hype is basically just asking for people to point out flaws. Even those of us who love Apple products get labeled haters b/c we don't buy into the magical crap.Fanboy: "OMG - this magical iPad will REVOLUTIONIZE home computing - it's the most amazing web browsing experience ever!!!"Average FFA'er: "Looks awesome. Can I connect it to my TV via HDMI? USB outputs for peripherals? Cut and paste? Folders?"Fanboy: "It doesn't do any of that stuff that other products do. You're a hater for pointing it out. Magical. Revolutionary. Apple Rulez!"8 months later........iPad update announcement:Steve Jobs: "We're making some magical changes to what was already a perfect device. I give you Cut-And-Paste, and Folders!!!!!"Fanboys in the FFA threads: "OMG FOLDERS!!!! CUT AND PASTE!!!! APPLE DOMINATES RULEZOR!!!!!"----------------------------Maybe I'll start a thread for those of us who love Apple products, but don't think they're "magical" or "perfect" and have shortcomings like every other product out there. Perhaps by eliminating the over-the-top rhetoric from fanboys from the outset, there will be fewer people "attacking" Apple, and we can have a rational discussion.
From memory I thinkFrom 1 to 2 was nike+,speakers, vol rocker, plus some software upgrades, capacity increaseFrom 2 to 3 was bluetooth, external mic, voice-over, voice control plus software upgrade, capacity increase, CPU, GPUEach one added features that would make people want to upgrade.Chunky Soup said:
Good idea. I love my ipod touch...awesome device.Maybe I'll start a thread for those of us who love Apple products, but don't think they're "magical" or "perfect" and have shortcomings like every other product out there. Perhaps by eliminating the over-the-top rhetoric from fanboys from the outset, there will be fewer people "attacking" Apple, and we can have a rational discussion.
I don't know. Better off checking apple's site for specs. It does have three (3) speaker holes but they are grouped together so I don't know if it is 3 separate speakers or one speaker with three holes.
Yep. Make no mistake, with the LaLa.com acquisition, the critical mass of iTunes, and their relationship with the content providers, Apple is in the best shape of anyone to pull this off. But it's still a couple of steps down the road. They didn't mention "iTunes in the cloud" yesterday, so they're probably still busy digesting LaLa and making the experience as seamless as possible. Or maybe they're working on adding streaming video to LaLa, which was an audio-only service before the acquisition, so they can do a "big splash" launch. The next chance for an announcement like this will probably be the next iPhone hardware release, probably late May or so. But I do have to say that AppleTV as it exists today is a pretty badly orphaned product by Apple standards. When a perfectionist/marketer/micromanager like Jobs publicly calls one of his own products a "hobby", you know he is quite ashamed of it. They will need a new revision of the set-top box (Apple TV HD?) and its OS to pull off their mediacenter strategy. The Shark Move would be to make it run the iPhone OS and mix in the ability to run Itunes apps, and give it the social gaming hooks they announced yesterday. Allow the iPad, iPod Touch, and iPhone to wirelessly display content on the TV via the Apple TV box. Make your iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad the *controller* for games when they are projected on the big screen.This would minimize code forking and cross-pollinate the audience for all these devices, which is pretty much the "Apple Way".
From apple:Input and output
Ah, good. In that case, you should be able to Skype in the background with the iPad once OS 4.0 is released.
Yeah but can you take it out and show it off? He still doesn't even know who said what or understand what they are saying. I'm assuming this is the type guy that buys a pet rock and upgrades to pet rock 2.0.Card Trader said:You minimizing a very clear security hole on a browsing device just further shows your ignorance and blindness. Guess this really isn't new for you, but it is amusing. I definitely encourage you to run with italicizing words and mocking the flaws people bring up, it's working well for you!Otis said:At least you can still complain about the glass screen.And certificates!
