iPad (3 Viewers)

[zDragon]

I simply ask for you to point to the facts and you can't.

Nobody cares to show you the facts, ace. We don't owe you anything. Your questions and trolling in here have been pretty lame and contrived, and, if you don't like the device, save yourself the time and effort and post in another thread.Or are you that upset that you can't buy one of these that you have to bash it for a living? Wait, you're also employed by MS, right?

Yawn. Is that all you can do is insult people? Look he asked about something...quick bash him. But hey at least you have the 'Hip' product. Nope. I do not work for Microsoft.

 

[zDragon]

I could see this happening, especially if they can make it affordable and subsidized by ads. It would still have to compare to cable/satellite in pricing. But don't fool yourselves, in it's first iteration Apple TV was about as big of a flop as there is.

No. Nowhere near the hype/expectations to make it a huge flop.

It really can't be called a flop when to Jobs it's not a serious effort on Apples part.

 

[drummer]

I haven't seen such toolishness over a device, and I've been into handheld convergence since the Casiopea and Palm PDA's.

 

[zDragon]

I thought this thread could come back to life but you guys would rather take your jabs over typos and everyone acting like they're infallible. I guess that's just the FFA. Maybe it's always been that way (cue the day 1 guys) and it's just getting to me. But I'm starting to see why so many people have bailed on this.Knock yourselves out and just get this thread deleted. J

 

[FigJam]

Here's a stupid question. Once the iPad gets multitasking, is there any reason it won't work as a full-time skype phone using either of the ATT data plans?

LOL, by then you will be duped into buying Apples latest iPad (aka, iDontknowwhyineverhaveanymoney). Congratulations!

I like the Ipad but the key is at what version do you buy in? Many will buy first generation anything Apple then act shocked it can't do x,y or z and expect with upgrades that theirs will also be upgraded. F them and no sympathy. See first gen Ipod as prime example.When I can run an Ipad off my data service so I won't be strapped exclusively to wifi I will then seriously consider getting one. My 3 and 5 year old go nuts over my dad's Itouch and they know how to even access apps from an Iphone so this would be useful for them and me when that time comes which should be soon.The key for me is that I have zero desire to get the first gen Ipad just to have the "look at me and how cool I am" when it's clear that in what less than a month the next one will be significantly more flexible and better. I understand some people no matter what want it when it comes out but that's not me.

That's exactly my point and the Apple model... Every release is lacking some new component (perfect example is no microphone on this model iPad) so they can suck you in with it being included in the next model being released this summer/fall/winter/spring. The iPad is a slick toy that is fun to play with, but as always its lacking something to push it to the next level (oh, but that/those feature(s) will be available for you when you drop another 1K on the next model in 6-9 mos).

 

[GloryDaze]

I haven't seen such toolishness over a device, and I've been into handheld convergence since the Casiopea and Palm PDA's.

Me neither, even when I demoed the abacus v1.0

 

[zDragon]

Maybe I'll start a thread for those of us who love Apple products, but don't think they're "magical" or "perfect" and have shortcomings like every other product out there. Perhaps by eliminating the over-the-top rhetoric from fanboys from the outset, there will be fewer people "attacking" Apple, and we can have a rational discussion.

Good idea. I love my ipod touch...awesome device.

Couldn't agree more. Going to be even better now that I can organize my apps.

 

[zDragon]

Here's a stupid question. Once the iPad gets multitasking, is there any reason it won't work as a full-time skype phone using either of the ATT data plans?

It certainly could work for this purpose (and I was happy to see Skype onstage with Jobs at the 4.0 announcement yesterday) except that I don't think the iPad has an integrated microphone. I could be wrong about that, though.

I thought I saw an app that allowed you to use the ipad as a voice recorder - similar to the native app on the iphone. That led me to believe there is a microphone somewhere on the iPad - presumably with the speakers.

ETA - just downloaded a free voice memo app - seems to work

serious question, does the iPad have 1 speaker or a pair of stereo speakers?

I don't know. Better off checking apple's site for specs. It does have three (3) speaker holes but they are grouped together so I don't know if it is 3 separate speakers or one speaker with three holes.

Tear Down

 

[zDragon]

From apple:Input and output * Dock connector port * 3.5-mm stereo headphone jack * Built-in speaker * Microphone * Micro-SIM card tray (Wi-Fi + 3G model only)I would assume then that it is a single speaker.

I'm pretty sure it's two.

 

[[icon]]

Apple's core strength seems to be in well-designed user interfaces and product design and I think they really kick butt in these areas. Unfortunately, TiVo also had this same strength and they seemed to fail at media convergence. Many would say that Windows Media Center is a very good all-in-one incorporation of video, music, etc. and it's struggling too. Not to say Apple can't do it (and it would be nice to use an Ipad or Itouch as remote device), but many have already tried in this arena and failed.

TiVO is still trying. Hence the TiVO Premiere. I think most failures have been because they have worked from the TV-Side box out. You have to work from the cloud in, with the attractive and seamless interface on the mobile device.

Yep. Make no mistake, with the LaLa.com acquisition, the critical mass of iTunes, and their relationship with the content providers, Apple is in the best shape of anyone to pull this off. But it's still a couple of steps down the road. They didn't mention "iTunes in the cloud" yesterday, so they're probably still busy digesting LaLa and making the experience as seamless as possible. Or maybe they're working on adding streaming video to LaLa, which was an audio-only service before the acquisition, so they can do a "big splash" launch. The next chance for an announcement like this will probably be the next iPhone hardware release, probably late May or so. But I do have to say that AppleTV as it exists today is a pretty badly orphaned product by Apple standards. When a perfectionist/marketer/micromanager like Jobs publicly calls one of his own products a "hobby", you know he is quite ashamed of it. They will need a new revision of the set-top box (Apple TV HD?) and its OS to pull off their mediacenter strategy. The Shark Move would be to make it run the iPhone OS and mix in the ability to run Itunes apps, and give it the social gaming hooks they announced yesterday. Allow the iPad, iPod Touch, and iPhone to wirelessly display content on the TV via the Apple TV box. Make your iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad the *controller* for games when they are projected on the big screen.This would minimize code forking and cross-pollinate the audience for all these devices, which is pretty much the "Apple Way".

Glad to see we're on the same page I honestly think Apple has left AppleTV alone intentionally. The problem with this sort of thing is if they flop the first time, it's dead. They know it needs to be 100% ready for prime-time when it comes out. Incremental revisions only pollute the product image and give the impression that the "AppleTV HD" would be another incremental revision, whereas it needs to be essentially the first hard launch of this type of device for Apple IMHO. I would be surprised if they weren't already reworking the thing internally and getting it ready. My guess (pulling it out of my ### here) would be a 2012 re-launch. MAYBE holidays 2011 but I'm not sure the infrastructure will be there by then. Speculation but it's certainly the most plausible scenario.

 

[FigJam]

So, just so I understand this... They took an iPhone, made the screen bigger, removed the phone functionality, and tripled the price? Oh I forgot, AND you get to buy all the apps for it again...



Edit: I should add, I love my Apple notebook, but this is simply S T U P I D.

Tripled the Price? iPhones are cheap because they're subsidized by $100/mo data/phone plans.

For a more realistic comparison let's look at the iPod touch. So to say that they DOUBLED the price and more than QUADRUPLED hte screen real estate.. yeah. When you say it like that it seems like a pretty good value. 50% SAVINGS on a per-square inch basis. Way to go APPLE!

Actually tripled is an understatement; figure 5x+ if you get a 3G unit and not the wireless only version. But feel free to send Mr. jobs your weekly paycheck, as I truly don't care Edit:

Prices checked off apple.com ---

iPhone ~$99 now

iPad - Wireless only : 16gb=$499 / 32gb=$599 / 64gb=$699

iPad - Wireless/3G : 16gb=$629 / 32gb=$729 / 64gb=$829

Yeah, WHAT A DEAL! /snicker

 

[LokiKx]

Apple's core strength seems to be in well-designed user interfaces and product design and I think they really kick butt in these areas. Unfortunately, TiVo also had this same strength and they seemed to fail at media convergence. Many would say that Windows Media Center is a very good all-in-one incorporation of video, music, etc. and it's struggling too. Not to say Apple can't do it (and it would be nice to use an Ipad or Itouch as remote device), but many have already tried in this arena and failed.

TiVO is still trying. Hence the TiVO Premiere. I think most failures have been because they have worked from the TV-Side box out. You have to work from the cloud in, with the attractive and seamless interface on the mobile device.

Yep. Make no mistake, with the LaLa.com acquisition, the critical mass of iTunes, and their relationship with the content providers, Apple is in the best shape of anyone to pull this off. But it's still a couple of steps down the road. They didn't mention "iTunes in the cloud" yesterday, so they're probably still busy digesting LaLa and making the experience as seamless as possible. Or maybe they're working on adding streaming video to LaLa, which was an audio-only service before the acquisition, so they can do a "big splash" launch. The next chance for an announcement like this will probably be the next iPhone hardware release, probably late May or so. But I do have to say that AppleTV as it exists today is a pretty badly orphaned product by Apple standards. When a perfectionist/marketer/micromanager like Jobs publicly calls one of his own products a "hobby", you know he is quite ashamed of it. They will need a new revision of the set-top box (Apple TV HD?) and its OS to pull off their mediacenter strategy. The Shark Move would be to make it run the iPhone OS and mix in the ability to run Itunes apps, and give it the social gaming hooks they announced yesterday. Allow the iPad, iPod Touch, and iPhone to wirelessly display content on the TV via the Apple TV box. Make your iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad the *controller* for games when they are projected on the big screen.This would minimize code forking and cross-pollinate the audience for all these devices, which is pretty much the "Apple Way".

Glad to see we're on the same page I honestly think Apple has left AppleTV alone intentionally. The problem with this sort of thing is if they flop the first time, it's dead. They know it needs to be 100% ready for prime-time when it comes out. Incremental revisions only pollute the product image and give the impression that the "AppleTV HD" would be another incremental revision, whereas it needs to be essentially the first hard launch of this type of device for Apple IMHO. I would be surprised if they weren't already reworking the thing internally and getting it ready. My guess (pulling it out of my ### here) would be a 2012 re-launch. MAYBE holidays 2011 but I'm not sure the infrastructure will be there by then. Speculation but it's certainly the most plausible scenario.

I remember Jobs saying something last year about it still being a hobby and that the economic times did not warrant much movement on the Apple TV front.

 

[zDragon]

So, just so I understand this... They took an iPhone, made the screen bigger, removed the phone functionality, and tripled the price? Oh I forgot, AND you get to buy all the apps for it again...



Edit: I should add, I love my Apple notebook, but this is simply S T U P I D.

Tripled the Price? iPhones are cheap because they're subsidized by $100/mo data/phone plans.

For a more realistic comparison let's look at the iPod touch. So to say that they DOUBLED the price and more than QUADRUPLED hte screen real estate.. yeah. When you say it like that it seems like a pretty good value. 50% SAVINGS on a per-square inch basis. Way to go APPLE!

Actually tripled is an understatement; figure 5x+ if you get a 3G unit and not the wireless only version. But feel free to send Mr. jobs your weekly paycheck, as I truly don't care

Personally I think your best bet is the 3g device. Just seems having to have a wi-fi hotspot cripples the device.

 

[The Commish]

I thought this thread could come back to life but you guys would rather take your jabs over typos and everyone acting like they're infallible. I guess that's just the FFA. Maybe it's always been that way (cue the day 1 guys) and it's just getting to me. But I'm starting to see why so many people have bailed on this.Knock yourselves out and just get this thread deleted. J

You're part of the group he's talking about with comments like this:

Yeah but can you take it out and show it off? He still doesn't even know who said what or understand what they are saying. I'm assuming this is the type guy that buys a pet rock and upgrades to pet rock 2.0.

So please stop.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Tear Down

The speaker assembly is larger than we expected:

The connector found on the speakers and other components is typical of the connectors seen in MacBook Unibody laptops. Translation: the iPad isn't that cramped for space.

Dual speakers provide mono sound. Two small sealed channels direct sound toward three audio ports carved into the bottom edge of the iPad. The audio-out jack provides stereo sound, of course.

 

[California]

If you're already ok with paying $500-$700 for an ipad, pay the extra $130 for the 3G version. Think of it as insurance. The 3G version has GPS also.

Regardless what you think of the ipad, Apple strong arming ATT into the no contract, $15/$30 data plan is great for users. I might go wifi only some months. Other months I'm out and about and might want 3g. A couple taps and I bought 250mb of 3g for $15. I cancel it for the next month. Another month I'll buy another 250mb for $15 but realize I'm gonna need more. Pay another $15 and now I have unlimited for the whole month. Again, I cancel it for the next month if I don't need it.

I wish we could get this type of plan for cellphones.

 

[[icon]]

Actually tripled is an understatement; figure 5x+ if you get a 3G unit and not the wireless only version. But feel free to send Mr. jobs your weekly paycheck, as I truly don't care

Edit:

Prices checked off apple.com ---

iPhone ~$99 now

iPad - Wireless only : 16gb=$499 / 32gb=$599 / 64gb=$699

iPad - Wireless/3G : 16gb=$629 / 32gb=$729 / 64gb=$829

Yeah, WHAT A DEAL! /snicker

okay let's try this one (last) time. IPhone is poor comparison as you're talking about a price subsidized by the cell manufacturers in exchange for signing up for a $2400 data plan. Posting an iPhone price without contract (Typically $500ish) is more realistic.

Now, let's make the MOST fair comparison... again.

iPod Touch: 32GB : $299 (~6 square inches of display) = COST $50 per square inch of dislay

iPad Wifi: 32GB : $599. (~ 50 square inches of display) = COST $12 per square inch of display

So again... double the price of a much smaller (but comparable) device is about right.

So again... iPad provides touchscreen real estate at a WHOPPING 75% discount over comparable models

HUGE VALUE

DISCLAIMER: (facts are valid put presented in a tongue in cheek manner to illustrate the silliness of this argument)

 

[[icon]]

If you're already ok with paying $500-$700 for an ipad, pay the extra $130 for the 3G version. Think of it as insurance. The 3G version has GPS also.Regardless what you think of the ipad, Apple strong arming ATT into the no contract, $15/$30 data plan is great for users. I might go wifi only some months. Other months I'm out and about and might want 3g. A couple taps and I bought 250mb of 3g for $15. I cancel it for the next month. Another month I'll buy another 250mb for $15 but realize I'm gonna need more. Pay another $15 and now I have unlimited for the whole month. Again, I cancel it for the next month if I don't need it.I wish we could get this type of plan for cellphones.

Exactly. No need to order 3G until you need it. WHen you order it you can do it alacarte. No massive penalty for bumping to Unlimited when you hit 250MB (unlike cell providers that only PRORATE the upgraded minutes on the plan and often require a contract renewal). It's really an ideal system. The pricing and overall structure of the 3G experience is damn near perfect IMO.

 

[LokiKx]

Is this something that the iPad really needs. I know jobs stated a stylus meant your doing it wrong.

Link

 

[California]

http://gizmodo.com/5504777/fact-the-ipad-i...-product-anyway

I gave my parents a hug when I saw that. They bought me an Apple IIe when I was in the 5th grade which led to me being the gigantic techno nerd I am today.

 

[California]

Is this something that the iPad really needs. I know jobs stated a stylus meant your doing it wrong.

Link

I think I read that it was in Asia or somewhere else, people were using sausages to work their iphones in cold weather. If you're wearing gloves, the capacitive touchscreen won't register any key presses.Here it is: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/02/kor...s-made-of-meat/

edit: ok, this made me laugh.

The photo, taken by Byron of the Bikehugger community, appears to show commuters stroking their meat across the capacitive screen while still encased in its plastic sheath

 

[Walton Goggins]

I could see this happening, especially if they can make it affordable and subsidized by ads. It would still have to compare to cable/satellite in pricing. But don't fool yourselves, in it's first iteration Apple TV was about as big of a flop as there is.

No. Nowhere near the hype/expectations to make it a huge flop.

It really can't be called a flop when to Jobs it's not a serious effort on Apples part.

Exactly. Better to call your product a "hobby" than "failure" takes the sting out of it. Never mind Jobs is always 100% serious when it comes to Apple and all their other products

 

[[icon]]

Let's take this as a tangent here.... back to the AppleTV/Convergence discussion.

What criteria would everyone want out of a Convergence set top box? The perfect scenario (while keeping realstic pricing for mass market in mind).

For me:

HARDWARE:

• HDMI IN / OUT

• TOSLINK/COAX DIGITAL AUDIO IN/OUT

• 1TB STORAGE or more

• CAT 5 NETWORK PORT

• LATEST WIFI (N?) Compatibilty

• REMOTE : Touchscreen Unversal remotes or iPad/iPod interface for scalable functionality

• BLURAY DRIVE (for playback or ripping movies to HD storage)

SOFTWARE:

• WEB BROWSER - Occ basic browsing from couch, tho I prefer most browsing to be 1 on 1 (Laptop/iPod/Desktop)

• STRIPPED DOWN OS (iPhone OS?) that maximizes speed (I'm not going to be doing Desktop work on my TV)

• MOVIES/MUSIC : Easy Integration with iTunes for media playback/purchase/management

• GAMING (This doesn't need to try to become a console game, but Wii showed not everyone needs high powered games)

• PHOTOS - I want it to organize and share my image library (massive) as well as my home movies

• APP SUPPORT - Love the idea of Netflx/Pandora/Weather/etc Apps - More streamlined than websites.

PRICE POINT: I'd love to see this sort of device come in at $499.

With the lack of display and storage prices plummeting, I don't think that's too unrealistic given the majority of this device would be software driven.

 

[LokiKx]

Is this something that the iPad really needs. I know jobs stated a stylus meant your doing it wrong.

Link

I think I read that it was in Asia or somewhere else, people were using sausages to work their iphones in cold weather. If you're wearing gloves, the capacitive touchscreen won't register any key presses.Here it is: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/02/kor...s-made-of-meat/

edit: ok, this made me laugh.

The photo, taken by Byron of the Bikehugger community, appears to show commuters stroking their meat across the capacitive screen while still encased in its plastic sheath

Now that's funny.I'm really curious if people feel the need for a stylus outside of freezing. Wouldn't it be great to have in such apps as brushes?

 

[[icon]]

Exactly. Better to call your product a "hobby" than "failure" takes the sting out of it. Never mind Jobs is always 100% serious when it comes to Apple and all their other products

Snarky comments like this are why I responded to you like I did. Instead, I give you a homework assignment (which I expect you to ignore like my AppleTV question, as it will reveal the fallacy in your statement).

List the Marketing Expenditures For the Following Apple releases:

iPod: $_____

iPhone: $_____

iPad: $_____

iMac $______

AppleTV: $______

Better yet, Apple spends roughly $500 Million a year in advertising. The Apple TV was released in March 2007... or 3 years ago. Since then Apple has spent $1.5 Billion in Advertising. How much of that went toward Apple TV Marketing

I'll hang up and listen.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

iDontknowwhyineverhaveanymoney

But feel free to send Mr. jobs your weekly paycheck

I don't get these kinds of comments. It's not like this thing costs $75,000. Some people have disposable income and want to spend some of it on a iPad. Why does that bother you so much?

 

[LokiKx]

http://gizmodo.com/5504777/fact-the-ipad-i...-product-anyway

I gave my parents a hug when I saw that. They bought me an Apple IIe when I was in the 5th grade which led to me being the gigantic techno nerd I am today.

We've come a long ways

 

[Jason Bourne]

Actually tripled is an understatement; figure 5x+ if you get a 3G unit and not the wireless only version. But feel free to send Mr. jobs your weekly paycheck, as I truly don't care Editrices checked off apple.com ---iPhone ~$99 nowiPad - Wireless only : 16gb=$499 / 32gb=$599 / 64gb=$699iPad - Wireless/3G : 16gb=$629 / 32gb=$729 / 64gb=$829Yeah, WHAT A DEAL! /snicker

From the apple site:For those who are not eligible for an early upgrade or who wish to buy iPhone as a gift, the prices are $499 (8GB), $599 (16GB), or $699 (32GB).Not to drag facts into an otherwise frivolous argument - but a 32GB iPad is cheaper than a 32GB iPhoneDepending on your needs - you are better off getting a cheap phone and an iPad.

 

[belljr]

If you're already ok with paying $500-$700 for an ipad, pay the extra $130 for the 3G version. Think of it as insurance. The 3G version has GPS also.Regardless what you think of the ipad, Apple strong arming ATT into the no contract, $15/$30 data plan is great for users. I might go wifi only some months. Other months I'm out and about and might want 3g. A couple taps and I bought 250mb of 3g for $15. I cancel it for the next month. Another month I'll buy another 250mb for $15 but realize I'm gonna need more. Pay another $15 and now I have unlimited for the whole month. Again, I cancel it for the next month if I don't need it.I wish we could get this type of plan for cellphones.

Exactly. No need to order 3G until you need it. WHen you order it you can do it alacarte. No massive penalty for bumping to Unlimited when you hit 250MB (unlike cell providers that only PRORATE the upgraded minutes on the plan and often require a contract renewal). It's really an ideal system. The pricing and overall structure of the 3G experience is damn near perfect IMO.

Is it true or not that IPad can only be used on AT&T?

 

[Jason Bourne]

If you're already ok with paying $500-$700 for an ipad, pay the extra $130 for the 3G version. Think of it as insurance. The 3G version has GPS also.Regardless what you think of the ipad, Apple strong arming ATT into the no contract, $15/$30 data plan is great for users. I might go wifi only some months. Other months I'm out and about and might want 3g. A couple taps and I bought 250mb of 3g for $15. I cancel it for the next month. Another month I'll buy another 250mb for $15 but realize I'm gonna need more. Pay another $15 and now I have unlimited for the whole month. Again, I cancel it for the next month if I don't need it.I wish we could get this type of plan for cellphones.

Exactly. No need to order 3G until you need it. WHen you order it you can do it alacarte. No massive penalty for bumping to Unlimited when you hit 250MB (unlike cell providers that only PRORATE the upgraded minutes on the plan and often require a contract renewal). It's really an ideal system. The pricing and overall structure of the 3G experience is damn near perfect IMO.

Is it true or not that IPad can only be used on AT&T?

I am pretty sure this is true - no contract, but it will only work on the AT&T network. Really wish the wireless companies had agreed on a single standard I don't have a problem with AT&T in my area - but that is not always the case when I am traveling.

 

[LokiKx]

If you're already ok with paying $500-$700 for an ipad, pay the extra $130 for the 3G version. Think of it as insurance. The 3G version has GPS also.Regardless what you think of the ipad, Apple strong arming ATT into the no contract, $15/$30 data plan is great for users. I might go wifi only some months. Other months I'm out and about and might want 3g. A couple taps and I bought 250mb of 3g for $15. I cancel it for the next month. Another month I'll buy another 250mb for $15 but realize I'm gonna need more. Pay another $15 and now I have unlimited for the whole month. Again, I cancel it for the next month if I don't need it.I wish we could get this type of plan for cellphones.

Exactly. No need to order 3G until you need it. WHen you order it you can do it alacarte. No massive penalty for bumping to Unlimited when you hit 250MB (unlike cell providers that only PRORATE the upgraded minutes on the plan and often require a contract renewal). It's really an ideal system. The pricing and overall structure of the 3G experience is damn near perfect IMO.

Is it true or not that IPad can only be used on AT&T?

Native yes. Although you could tether with the wi-fi to any Pre, Android or Winmo phone. Not sure if the iPhone has a wireless hotspot app that's not jailbroken. Jailbreak and you can add iPhone.

 

[[icon]]

I'm really curious if people feel the need for a stylus outside of freezing. Wouldn't it be great to have in such apps as brushes?

I don't think Apple is against Styluses 100%. I think they are against their use being needed for typical operation. In specialized apps like Brushes, I think the ability to be more precise than a fingertip sized touch is fantastic

 

[Walton Goggins]

Exactly. Better to call your product a "hobby" than "failure" takes the sting out of it. Never mind Jobs is always 100% serious when it comes to Apple and all their other products

Snarky comments like this are why I responded to you like I did. Instead, I give you a homework assignment (which I expect you to ignore like my AppleTV question, as it will reveal the fallacy in your statement).

List the Marketing Expenditures For the Following Apple releases:

iPod: $_____

iPhone: $_____

iPad: $_____

iMac $______

AppleTV: $______

Better yet, Apple spends roughly $500 Million a year in advertising. The Apple TV was released in March 2007... or 3 years ago. Since then Apple has spent $1.5 Billion in Advertising. How much of that went toward Apple TV Marketing

I'll hang up and listen.

Jobs is all business so to talk his product a "hobby" is completely laughable, don't you think? If he said "we really have no idea where to take this" then fine or "can't win them all" is also acceptable.Edit: typed 'tall' instead of 'talk'

 

[California]

If you're already ok with paying $500-$700 for an ipad, pay the extra $130 for the 3G version. Think of it as insurance. The 3G version has GPS also.Regardless what you think of the ipad, Apple strong arming ATT into the no contract, $15/$30 data plan is great for users. I might go wifi only some months. Other months I'm out and about and might want 3g. A couple taps and I bought 250mb of 3g for $15. I cancel it for the next month. Another month I'll buy another 250mb for $15 but realize I'm gonna need more. Pay another $15 and now I have unlimited for the whole month. Again, I cancel it for the next month if I don't need it.I wish we could get this type of plan for cellphones.

Exactly. No need to order 3G until you need it. WHen you order it you can do it alacarte. No massive penalty for bumping to Unlimited when you hit 250MB (unlike cell providers that only PRORATE the upgraded minutes on the plan and often require a contract renewal). It's really an ideal system. The pricing and overall structure of the 3G experience is damn near perfect IMO.

Is it true or not that IPad can only be used on AT&T?

True. True in that the ipad requires a microsim card for 3G and only ATT makes it right now in the USA. Technically, if Tmobile came out with a microsim card you could use their network but I think pricing would be different.This sucks if you have bad ATT coverage.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Let's take this as a tangent here.... back to the AppleTV/Convergence discussion.

What criteria would everyone want out of a Convergence set top box? The perfect scenario (while keeping realstic pricing for mass market in mind).

For me:

HARDWARE:

• HDMI IN / OUT

• TOSLINK/COAX DIGITAL AUDIO IN/OUT

• 1TB STORAGE or more

• CAT 5 NETWORK PORT

• LATEST WIFI (N?) Compatibilty

• REMOTE : Touchscreen Unversal remotes or iPad/iPod interface for scalable functionality

• BLURAY DRIVE (for playback or ripping movies to HD storage)

SOFTWARE:

• WEB BROWSER - Occ basic browsing from couch, tho I prefer most browsing to be 1 on 1 (Laptop/iPod/Desktop)

• STRIPPED DOWN OS (iPhone OS?) that maximizes speed (I'm not going to be doing Desktop work on my TV)

• MOVIES/MUSIC : Easy Integration with iTunes for media playback/purchase/management

• GAMING (This doesn't need to try to become a console game, but Wii showed not everyone needs high powered games)

• PHOTOS - I want it to organize and share my image library (massive) as well as my home movies

• APP SUPPORT - Love the idea of Netflx/Pandora/Weather/etc Apps - More streamlined than websites.

PRICE POINT: I'd love to see this sort of device come in at $499.

With the lack of display and storage prices plummeting, I don't think that's too unrealistic given the majority of this device would be software driven.

1TB may be overdoing it - won't most of this stuff be in the clouds in 2-3 years anyway?Love the idea of a consolidated wireless media center, but I'm apprehensive about Apple filling that role, even though I agree with you and MF that they're well positioned. I think it would be better for consumers if a company with less of a closed environment model fills the niche.

But I agree with your overall concept - can't wait until we can consolidate all this media to one central household "server" and broadcast the data to all the peripherals through the home.

 

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iDontknowwhyineverhaveanymoney

But feel free to send Mr. jobs your weekly paycheck

I don't get these kinds of comments. It's not like this thing costs $75,000. Some people have disposable income and want to spend some of it on a iPad. Why does that bother you so much?

Exactly [lookatme]I happen to have enough cash in my pocket right now to go buy a 16gb iPad. in fact I almost did that yesterday but I was worried they might not allow for a smooth return/exchange for the 32GB 3G model I want when it comes out. [/lookatme]The point is.. this is a good chunk of change but not exactly the kind of money most people on this forum couldn't budget for on a month or two notice. Frankly if you've not got enough discretionary cash sitting around to make this purchase than you most definitely shouldn't be buying it.

 

[belljr]

If you're already ok with paying $500-$700 for an ipad, pay the extra $130 for the 3G version. Think of it as insurance. The 3G version has GPS also.Regardless what you think of the ipad, Apple strong arming ATT into the no contract, $15/$30 data plan is great for users. I might go wifi only some months. Other months I'm out and about and might want 3g. A couple taps and I bought 250mb of 3g for $15. I cancel it for the next month. Another month I'll buy another 250mb for $15 but realize I'm gonna need more. Pay another $15 and now I have unlimited for the whole month. Again, I cancel it for the next month if I don't need it.I wish we could get this type of plan for cellphones.

Exactly. No need to order 3G until you need it. WHen you order it you can do it alacarte. No massive penalty for bumping to Unlimited when you hit 250MB (unlike cell providers that only PRORATE the upgraded minutes on the plan and often require a contract renewal). It's really an ideal system. The pricing and overall structure of the 3G experience is damn near perfect IMO.

Is it true or not that IPad can only be used on AT&T?

Native yes. Although you could tether with the wi-fi to any Pre, Android or Winmo phone. Not sure if the iPhone has a wireless hotspot app that's not jailbroken. Jailbreak and you can add iPhone.

Ok how does this work, we tried it briefly with my friends but did not have a lot of time to try it out.I have verizon Droid not jailbroken (sp?).Anyway I download 2 apps to act as a "hotspot", these were free so a paid version may do the trick.We couldn't use the USB one because of IPad - USB - is this a true statement?So we tried using a Bluetooth version and that didn't work either - we couldn't get the device to connect.Any help would be appreciated

 

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Exactly. Better to call your product a "hobby" than "failure" takes the sting out of it. Never mind Jobs is always 100% serious when it comes to Apple and all their other products

Snarky comments like this are why I responded to you like I did. Instead, I give you a homework assignment (which I expect you to ignore like my AppleTV question, as it will reveal the fallacy in your statement).

List the Marketing Expenditures For the Following Apple releases:

iPod: $_____

iPhone: $_____

iPad: $_____

iMac $______

AppleTV: $______

Better yet, Apple spends roughly $500 Million a year in advertising. The Apple TV was released in March 2007... or 3 years ago. Since then Apple has spent $1.5 Billion in Advertising. How much of that went toward Apple TV Marketing

I'll hang up and listen.

Jobs is all business so to talk his product a "hobby" is completely laughable, don't you think? If he said "we really have no idea where to take this" then fine or "can't win them all" is also acceptable.Edit: typed 'tall' instead of 'talk'

Could you please answer my question? Thanks.

 

[Walton Goggins]

iDontknowwhyineverhaveanymoney

But feel free to send Mr. jobs your weekly paycheck

I don't get these kinds of comments. It's not like this thing costs $75,000. Some people have disposable income and want to spend some of it on a iPad. Why does that bother you so much?

Exactly [lookatme]I happen to have enough cash in my pocket right now to go buy a 16gb iPad. in fact I almost did that yesterday but I was worried they might not allow for a smooth return/exchange for the 32GB 3G model I want when it comes out. [lookatme]The point is.. this is a good chunk of change but not exactly the kind of money most people on this forum couldn't budget for on a month or two notice. Frankly if you've not got enough discretionary cash sitting around to make this purchase than you most definitely shouldn't be buying it.

I could buy a few Ipads right now but why when a much better one is about to come out.

 

[Walton Goggins]

Exactly. Better to call your product a "hobby" than "failure" takes the sting out of it. Never mind Jobs is always 100% serious when it comes to Apple and all their other products

Snarky comments like this are why I responded to you like I did. Instead, I give you a homework assignment (which I expect you to ignore like my AppleTV question, as it will reveal the fallacy in your statement).

List the Marketing Expenditures For the Following Apple releases:

iPod: $_____

iPhone: $_____

iPad: $_____

iMac $______

AppleTV: $______

Better yet, Apple spends roughly $500 Million a year in advertising. The Apple TV was released in March 2007... or 3 years ago. Since then Apple has spent $1.5 Billion in Advertising. How much of that went toward Apple TV Marketing

I'll hang up and listen.

Jobs is all business so to talk his product a "hobby" is completely laughable, don't you think? If he said "we really have no idea where to take this" then fine or "can't win them all" is also acceptable.Edit: typed 'tall' instead of 'talk'

Could you please answer my question? Thanks.

I know they spent a half billion in 2009 but sure if you want to look it up you can somewhere on the net. Spending it all or nothing on the AppleTV means nothing.

 

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I know they spent a half billion in 2009 but sure if you want to look it up you can somewhere on the net. Spending it all or nothing on the AppleTV means nothing.

Really? I disagree. I think relative ad spend is a direct indicator of how "serious" apple is about a product's launch.EDIT: It's not my intent for this to degenerate into a ### for tat and derail the thread yet again. I'm merely trying to make a point to Goggins here in a civil manner. If he fails to see the logic here, we're going to have to agree to disagree and move on. I'm pleased to see that most other folks in the thread see the point, however.

 

[Walton Goggins]

I know they spent a half billion in 2009 but sure if you want to look it up you can somewhere on the net. Spending it all or nothing on the AppleTV means nothing.

Really? I disagree. I think relative ad spend is a direct indicator of how "serious" apple is about a product's launch.

Why would Jobs spend much on a product that's just a "hobby"? It's not like people don't know about Apple TV. I think if Apple TV was a success though you would be seeing a lot more $ spent on advertising for it.

 

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I could buy a few Ipads right now but why when a much better one is about to come out.

Couldn't the same be said for all computing products? how long does the latest PC or Laptop stay current. I'd wager the product cycle is actually pretty comparable to that of apple's devices. But you're certainly entitled to take this approach with your tech spending dollars. Me, I see a device that will be current for a good while and find it a good value. To each his or her own.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

I don't get these kinds of comments. It's not like this thing costs $75,000. Some people have disposable income and want to spend some of it on a iPad. Why does that bother you so much?

Exactly [lookatme]I happen to have enough cash in my pocket right now to go buy a 16gb iPad. in fact I almost did that yesterday but I was worried they might not allow for a smooth return/exchange for the 32GB 3G model I want when it comes out. [lookatme]The point is.. this is a good chunk of change but not exactly the kind of money most people on this forum couldn't budget for on a month or two notice. Frankly if you've not got enough discretionary cash sitting around to make this purchase than you most definitely shouldn't be buying it.

I could buy a few Ipads right now but why when a much better one is about to come out.

More importantly, why would you care if someone else did?

 

[The Commish]

Let's take this as a tangent here.... back to the AppleTV/Convergence discussion.

What criteria would everyone want out of a Convergence set top box? The perfect scenario (while keeping realstic pricing for mass market in mind).

For me:

HARDWARE:

• HDMI IN / OUT

• TOSLINK/COAX DIGITAL AUDIO IN/OUT

• 1TB STORAGE or more

• CAT 5 NETWORK PORT

• LATEST WIFI (N?) Compatibilty

• REMOTE : Touchscreen Unversal remotes or iPad/iPod interface for scalable functionality

• BLURAY DRIVE (for playback or ripping movies to HD storage)

SOFTWARE:

• WEB BROWSER - Occ basic browsing from couch, tho I prefer most browsing to be 1 on 1 (Laptop/iPod/Desktop)

• STRIPPED DOWN OS (iPhone OS?) that maximizes speed (I'm not going to be doing Desktop work on my TV)

• MOVIES/MUSIC : Easy Integration with iTunes for media playback/purchase/management

• GAMING (This doesn't need to try to become a console game, but Wii showed not everyone needs high powered games)

• PHOTOS - I want it to organize and share my image library (massive) as well as my home movies

• APP SUPPORT - Love the idea of Netflx/Pandora/Weather/etc Apps - More streamlined than websites.

PRICE POINT: I'd love to see this sort of device come in at $499.

With the lack of display and storage prices plummeting, I don't think that's too unrealistic given the majority of this device would be software driven.

Add an optical output to hook into home theater systems.

 

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I know they spent a half billion in 2009 but sure if you want to look it up you can somewhere on the net. Spending it all or nothing on the AppleTV means nothing.

Really? I disagree. I think relative ad spend is a direct indicator of how "serious" apple is about a product's launch.

Why would Jobs spend much on a product that's just a "hobby"? It's not like people don't know about Apple TV. I think if Apple TV was a success though you would be seeing a lot more $ spent on advertising for it.

Okay. Let's look at dollars spent during the first 3 months of release. Clearly if AppleTV was intended to be as "Serious" of a product as those, it would have seen the same treatment at launch and then tapered off once they realized it wasn't a success, right? Please. With all due respect, you're being obtuse here.

Apple barely marketed this product. Apple spent the money to develop it because they see where convergence is taking us. It exists to fill a small niche where it stands now and merely is a placeholder for what is to come when the infrastructure exists to support the next generation of this category of product.

 

[LokiKx]

If you're already ok with paying $500-$700 for an ipad, pay the extra $130 for the 3G version. Think of it as insurance. The 3G version has GPS also.

Regardless what you think of the ipad, Apple strong arming ATT into the no contract, $15/$30 data plan is great for users. I might go wifi only some months. Other months I'm out and about and might want 3g. A couple taps and I bought 250mb of 3g for $15. I cancel it for the next month. Another month I'll buy another 250mb for $15 but realize I'm gonna need more. Pay another $15 and now I have unlimited for the whole month. Again, I cancel it for the next month if I don't need it.

I wish we could get this type of plan for cellphones.

Exactly. No need to order 3G until you need it. WHen you order it you can do it alacarte. No massive penalty for bumping to Unlimited when you hit 250MB (unlike cell providers that only PRORATE the upgraded minutes on the plan and often require a contract renewal).

It's really an ideal system. The pricing and overall structure of the 3G experience is damn near perfect IMO.

Is it true or not that IPad can only be used on AT&T?

Native yes. Although you could tether with the wi-fi to any Pre, Android or Winmo phone. Not sure if the iPhone has a wireless hotspot app that's not jailbroken. Jailbreak and you can add iPhone.

Ok how does this work, we tried it briefly with my friends but did not have a lot of time to try it out.I have verizon Droid not jailbroken (sp?).

Anyway I download 2 apps to act as a "hotspot", these were free so a paid version may do the trick.

We couldn't use the USB one because of IPad - USB - is this a true statement?

So we tried using a Bluetooth version and that didn't work either - we couldn't get the device to connect.

Any help would be appreciated

Your going to want to connect via Wi-Fi. The app my friend uses is Barnacle or something like that. He found a how-to in google. My understanding you must have to have root access to setup the app. I'd probably search for "Tether Droid to iPad.".

Edit: Went ahead and did the search DroidLife

 

[California]

I'd consider the Apple TV a flop and I think Apple would too. It doesn't mean they won't be able to turn it around later.

The killer for a lot of people is that all media played through the Apple TV has to be handled and piped through Itunes. No way I'm going to go through this hassle. I haven't looked at this in years so disregard this if it's changed since then.

 

[Walton Goggins]

I could buy a few Ipads right now but why when a much better one is about to come out.

Couldn't the same be said for all computing products? how long does the latest PC or Laptop stay current. I'd wager the product cycle is actually pretty comparable to that of apple's devices. But you're certainly entitled to take this approach with your tech spending dollars. Me, I see a device that will be current for a good while and find it a good value. To each his or her own.

I don't see how this relates to the ATV. Apple doesn't spend much in advertising compared to some of the other leading PC makers and while I don't know the exact amount on how much they spend on ATV it's logical that they don't nearly spend as much as their other products since ATV isn't successful. Jobs knows this deep down and that's why you don't see tons of TV and print ads on it. Why throw more money on a product that's just a hobby?

 

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• TOSLINK/COAX DIGITAL AUDIO IN/OUT

Add an optical output to hook into home theater systems.