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[Otis]

I'm baffled that these guys keep coming back. It's just so bizarre.

 

[the moops]

That's all for today folks -- see you next week.

Solid work.

 

[Walton Goggins]

I'm baffled that these guys keep coming back. It's just so bizarre.

Enlightening the massesWould expect the people who use them to but if not...

 

[joey]

please, for the love of god, don't reply to stupid posts and just keep on topic.

ignoring will make it go away.

[/naive post]

 

[tommyGunZ]

I think the Goggins shtick is the best going on the board right now. Gotta be someone like MT or Scooby fishing you guys.

I've had a few brews and I'm losing it over here reading the last few pages.

 

[shuke]

Time for this week's updated rankings....



***OFFICIAL*** Coach Otis' Annoying iPad Hater Rankings

1. Goggins (Rising)

My, what a rush up the charts. Has anyone ever gone from 0 to 60 this quickly? In our prior rankings, we noted that Goggins had come out of the gates strong but had shown waning interest in recent weeks, which was we he was initially ranked so low. The G-man didn't disappoint though, as he responded some time later that he was away on vacation, and that's why he hadn't been so annoying in here. And now that he's back, he's been tearing up the scene. He's still not as grating as some of the other Hateboi's here, but we are left so perplexed by his bizarre and unfounded claims regarding consumer confusion (including regarding alleged confusion by posters in this very thread) that we simply couldn't resist putting him at the top. Oh, that smell of smoke? That's Gogs furiously pounding away at his keyboard trying to Google search for any minor bit of information that might support his ridiculous off-the-cuff claims.

2. LokiKx (Neutral)

Loki remains in neutral. He is still a horrifically boring alias drummed up to post only in Apple threads, and he still regularly pops in to post unfunny and tired jokes about the iPad being a crappy product or having a funny name. <insert that one picture that we've totally never seen before of the guy holding an iPhone under a magnifying glass to make it look like an iPad> Don't let the million+ buyers confuse you. This thing is junk. Still way up there in the post count, and remains in neutral, ol' faithful. I mean, if you have to create an alias specifically for this purpose, you really do deserve to be in the top 5 indefinitely, no? Around here, effort matters.

3. The Commish (Falling)

After taking an absolute beating about the misinformation he had posted, and one of the more epic backpedals the FFA computer geeks have seen in recent history, Commish skulked into the corner and has since quieted down. We're hoping he's got a second wind, but until he really brings his A game again, he'll be relegated to being considered one of the less annoying haters, and his stock will continue to slip as a result. Don't count him out just yet though!

4. gmbacm (Neutral)

Continues to ease back on the throttle, and doesn't poke in here often enough to be terribly annoying. But, when he posts, you just know it either won't make much sense or will be in some way unsatisfying. We'll leave him in the top 5 on that basis alone.

5. Card Trader (Falling)

An early frontrunner continues to fall, and continues to make rational, sensible postings that are grounded in logic and surprisingly un-annoying. At this electrifying pace, CT is likely to fall right off the bottom of the chart in our next ranking.

That's all for today folks -- see you next week.

 

[Tau837]

This thread is too long to read through all of it at this point... I read the last few pages.

Planning to go to the Apple store tomorrow or Sunday and get a 32 GB WiFi model. It will mainly be for my wife if she likes it, and she is disabled, so 98% of the time she will use it at home, so WiFi should be sufficient. (She currently uses a Netbook.)

Can those who have them please post a list of the best apps? Thanks.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

IMHO a 3G model is a total waste of coin. Get the wifi, learn how to "tether" it to your cellphone (jailbroken if necessary) when you really need internet access, pocket the $200 or so. Particularly when I would bet money that a 4G iPad model will be released in the next 6-9 months.

I put "tether" in quotes since you probably have to turn your phone into a hotspot and tether may not be the appropriate verb.

 

[LokiKx]

IMHO a 3G model is a total waste of coin. Get the wifi, learn how to "tether" it to your cellphone (jailbroken if necessary) when you really need internet access, pocket the $200 or so. Particularly when I would bet money that a 4G iPad model will be released in the next 6-9 months.I put "tether" in quotes since you probably have to turn your phone into a hotspot and tether may not be the appropriate verb.

Not sure it's a waste of money. If your actually using the 3g connection heavily the cell phone will not come close to matching the time the iPad will stay up. In my experience tethering drains batteries on phones quickly. You have to remember your using two radios all the time Wi-fi/bluetooth & 3g. Also, if you are carrying the thing around it seems to me most would prefer to pull at the iPad and get to playing. If your tethering you have to get the phone out fire up the tethering app and pull out the iPad.Just think 200 is worth it to work on the iPads terms not the cellphones.

 

[Otis]

This thread is too long to read through all of it at this point... I read the last few pages.Planning to go to the Apple store tomorrow or Sunday and get a 32 GB WiFi model. It will mainly be for my wife if she likes it, and she is disabled, so 98% of the time she will use it at home, so WiFi should be sufficient. (She currently uses a Netbook.)Can those who have them please post a list of the best apps? Thanks.

Nice, GL to you and the wife. Depending on what her disability is, she may find this a lot more usable than a netbook. There are a ton of good apps out there, and I'm always finding new ones, but so far here is what I use the most:New york times appNewsy - neat video news app in that it compiles video from other news sources on major news items to give you all the varying perspectivesiBooks Pages - word processorKeyenote - PowerPoint type app in case you have that need for work Words with friends - scrabble gameAir sharing - lets you dump files of any type onto the ipad over the wifiIteleport - remote vnc to your desktop computer (good for playing online poker on your iPad for example)MenupagesShazaamEspnPandoraWeatherbug Fios DVR managerNPRRowmote - remote control for iTunes/apple tvPenultimate - note taking softwareWhitenoisepro- awesome white noise machine for sleepingGoodreaderABC playerAir video (stream vid from your desktop to your iPad)

 

[Otis]

IMHO a 3G model is a total waste of coin. Get the wifi, learn how to "tether" it to your cellphone (jailbroken if necessary) when you really need internet access, pocket the $200 or so. Particularly when I would bet money that a 4G iPad model will be released in the next 6-9 months.I put "tether" in quotes since you probably have to turn your phone into a hotspot and tether may not be the appropriate verb.

Not sure it's a waste of money. If your actually using the 3g connection heavily the cell phone will not come close to matching the time the iPad will stay up. In my experience tethering drains batteries on phones quickly. You have to remember your using two radios all the time Wi-fi/bluetooth & 3g. Also, if you are carrying the thing around it seems to me most would prefer to pull at the iPad and get to playing. If your tethering you have to get the phone out fire up the tethering app and pull out the iPad.Just think 200 is worth it to work on the iPads terms not the cellphones.

Loki making some sense here. I initially thought I wouldn't need 3G either. I ended up using this outside the house way more than I expected. It is writhe the convenience to me. If I had a quick and reliable tether method available, I might not have bothered, but then you have battery concerns (on multiple devices). I'm glad i bumped up to 3G.

 

[dnurk]

So apparently the Wifi/3G models are completely sold out pretty much nationwide. I called my local store and they confirmed they don't have any in stock right now

The chick told me I could sign up for a notify me service on the website that let's me enter information on the model I want and it will email me when they get them back in stock

Well, after 20 minutes of searching their site I can't find it the stupid thing. All I can find is this Notify Me and that appears to just be a link to have them email you general iPad info.

Anyone smarter than me that can find the link where you can actually get yourself on a wait list?

 

[Otis]

So apparently the Wifi/3G models are completely sold out pretty much nationwide. I called my local store and they confirmed they don't have any in stock right now

The chick told me I could sign up for a notify me service on the website that let's me enter information on the model I want and it will email me when they get them back in stock

Well, after 20 minutes of searching their site I can't find it the stupid thing. All I can find is this Notify Me and that appears to just be a link to have them email you general iPad info.

Anyone smarter than me that can find the link where you can actually get yourself on a wait list?

Apple store online says they ship in 5-7 business days. Why not just buy it online?

 

[Otis]

List of jail broken app compatibility with ipad here: Link

 

[One]

List of jail broken app compatibility with ipad here: Link

Nice. Are any of these written just for iPad or are they all native iPhone apps?

 

[Tau837]

This thread is too long to read through all of it at this point... I read the last few pages.Planning to go to the Apple store tomorrow or Sunday and get a 32 GB WiFi model. It will mainly be for my wife if she likes it, and she is disabled, so 98% of the time she will use it at home, so WiFi should be sufficient. (She currently uses a Netbook.)Can those who have them please post a list of the best apps? Thanks.

Nice, GL to you and the wife. Depending on what her disability is, she may find this a lot more usable than a netbook. There are a ton of good apps out there, and I'm always finding new ones, but so far here is what I use the most:New york times appNewsy - neat video news app in that it compiles video from other news sources on major news items to give you all the varying perspectivesiBooks Pages - word processorKeyenote - PowerPoint type app in case you have that need for work Words with friends - scrabble gameAir sharing - lets you dump files of any type onto the ipad over the wifiIteleport - remote vnc to your desktop computer (good for playing online poker on your iPad for example)MenupagesShazaamEspnPandoraWeatherbug Fios DVR managerNPRRowmote - remote control for iTunes/apple tvPenultimate - note taking softwareWhitenoisepro- awesome white noise machine for sleepingGoodreaderABC playerAir video (stream vid from your desktop to your iPad)

Thanks, Otis.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

IMHO a 3G model is a total waste of coin. Get the wifi, learn how to "tether" it to your cellphone (jailbroken if necessary) when you really need internet access, pocket the $200 or so. Particularly when I would bet money that a 4G iPad model will be released in the next 6-9 months.I put "tether" in quotes since you probably have to turn your phone into a hotspot and tether may not be the appropriate verb.

Not sure it's a waste of money. If your actually using the 3g connection heavily the cell phone will not come close to matching the time the iPad will stay up. In my experience tethering drains batteries on phones quickly. You have to remember your using two radios all the time Wi-fi/bluetooth & 3g. Also, if you are carrying the thing around it seems to me most would prefer to pull at the iPad and get to playing. If your tethering you have to get the phone out fire up the tethering app and pull out the iPad.Just think 200 is worth it to work on the iPads terms not the cellphones.

I'd be curious if a jailbroken iPad can properly tether via bluetooth. If it can then there is no launch of an app on the iPhone, you just pair your iPad with it. Also you won't be using 3G all of the time the bandwidth is pretty crappy compared to wifi, your goal is to use wifi as much as possible. My point was 3G will soon be outdated anyway, if you can get 3G access when needed via your cellphone I'd try to limp along like that before having to upgrade to the 4G model. I'm sure Apple wants people to buy a wifi model, hand it down to someone in their family get the 3G, hand that one down to another family member and then spring for the 4G.

 

[Otis]

IMHO a 3G model is a total waste of coin. Get the wifi, learn how to "tether" it to your cellphone (jailbroken if necessary) when you really need internet access, pocket the $200 or so. Particularly when I would bet money that a 4G iPad model will be released in the next 6-9 months.

I put "tether" in quotes since you probably have to turn your phone into a hotspot and tether may not be the appropriate verb.

Not sure it's a waste of money. If your actually using the 3g connection heavily the cell phone will not come close to matching the time the iPad will stay up. In my experience tethering drains batteries on phones quickly. You have to remember your using two radios all the time Wi-fi/bluetooth & 3g.

Also, if you are carrying the thing around it seems to me most would prefer to pull at the iPad and get to playing. If your tethering you have to get the phone out fire up the tethering app and pull out the iPad.

Just think 200 is worth it to work on the iPads terms not the cellphones.

I'd be curious if a jailbroken iPad can properly tether via bluetooth. If it can then there is no launch of an app on the iPhone, you just pair your iPad with it. Also you won't be using 3G all of the time the bandwidth is pretty crappy compared to wifi, your goal is to use wifi as much as possible. My point was 3G will soon be outdated anyway, if you can get 3G access when needed via your cellphone I'd try to limp along like that before having to upgrade to the 4G model. I'm sure Apple wants people to buy a wifi model, hand it down to someone in their family get the 3G, hand that one down to another family member and then spring for the 4G.

Nationwide cellular data networks don't roll out overnight. Far as I know, Sprint is the only one with any real semblance of a 4G network. Right? I haven't heard of AT&T introducing one yet. Point is, I think you're looking at well more than 6 months out before you see a 4G iPad.Here's a pretty good read on just how long this will take: http://money.cnn.com/2010/02/23/technology/4g_networks/

So, far as I can tell, holding off on this to wait for 4G is like holding off on buying a LCD TV because you know that in 3-4 years there will be a better one. Sure there will be. But that's a ways out.

To your other point, I don't see how getting the wifi version makes any difference on this issue. You've still bought an iPad that isn't 4G capable either way. Are you saying you could just tether your Wifi version to your 4G cell phone? If so, you could do the same with a 3G iPad. Yes, you've spend the $129 extra, but that's the only difference.

I don't see 4G as a reason NOT to buy the 3G one. If you're saying a person's use out of the home will be extremely limited, and they don't care to have access while on the road, or that they will just set up a tether for when they are on the road and can accept that it will be slower, a little more clunky, and a significant drain on battery, well then that's ok. Frankly, I bought the Wifi version initially expecting that I wouldn't really ever need 3G. When I started using it so much, and kept it with me constantly, and became frustrated with how difficult it was to find hotspots, the move to 3G was an easy decision for me.

 

[Walton Goggins]

IMHO a 3G model is a total waste of coin. Get the wifi, learn how to "tether" it to your cellphone (jailbroken if necessary) when you really need internet access, pocket the $200 or so. Particularly when I would bet money that a 4G iPad model will be released in the next 6-9 months.

I put "tether" in quotes since you probably have to turn your phone into a hotspot and tether may not be the appropriate verb.

Not sure it's a waste of money. If your actually using the 3g connection heavily the cell phone will not come close to matching the time the iPad will stay up. In my experience tethering drains batteries on phones quickly. You have to remember your using two radios all the time Wi-fi/bluetooth & 3g.

Also, if you are carrying the thing around it seems to me most would prefer to pull at the iPad and get to playing. If your tethering you have to get the phone out fire up the tethering app and pull out the iPad.

Just think 200 is worth it to work on the iPads terms not the cellphones.

I'd be curious if a jailbroken iPad can properly tether via bluetooth. If it can then there is no launch of an app on the iPhone, you just pair your iPad with it. Also you won't be using 3G all of the time the bandwidth is pretty crappy compared to wifi, your goal is to use wifi as much as possible. My point was 3G will soon be outdated anyway, if you can get 3G access when needed via your cellphone I'd try to limp along like that before having to upgrade to the 4G model. I'm sure Apple wants people to buy a wifi model, hand it down to someone in their family get the 3G, hand that one down to another family member and then spring for the 4G.

Nationwide cellular data networks don't roll out overnight. Far as I know, Sprint is the only one with any real semblance of a 4G network. Right? I haven't heard of AT&T introducing one yet. Point is, I think you're looking at well more than 6 months out before you see a 4G iPad.Here's a pretty good read on just how long this will take: http://money.cnn.com/2010/02/23/technology/4g_networks/

So, far as I can tell, holding off on this to wait for 4G is like holding off on buying a LCD TV because you know that in 3-4 years there will be a better one. Sure there will be. But that's a ways out.

To your other point, I don't see how getting the wifi version makes any difference on this issue. You've still bought an iPad that isn't 4G capable either way. Are you saying you could just tether your Wifi version to your 4G cell phone? If so, you could do the same with a 3G iPad. Yes, you've spend the $129 extra, but that's the only difference.

I don't see 4G as a reason NOT to buy the 3G one. If you're saying a person's use out of the home will be extremely limited, and they don't care to have access while on the road, or that they will just set up a tether for when they are on the road and can accept that it will be slower, a little more clunky, and a significant drain on battery, well then that's ok. Frankly, I bought the Wifi version initially expecting that I wouldn't really ever need 3G. When I started using it so much, and kept it with me constantly, and became frustrated with how difficult it was to find hotspots, the move to 3G was an easy decision for me.

This. I would probably buy the WIFI and if it becomes clear to you that you need the 3G just sell it and buy the 3G model. Go to craiglist and people are selling them pretty much at cost. Then again you can spend the extra money, get the 3G and if you find out you mainly use WIFI then it's only $130 more you spent.

 

[Otis]

This. I would probably buy the WIFI and if it becomes clear to you that you need the 3G just sell it and buy the 3G model. Go to craiglist and people are selling them pretty much at cost. Then again you can spend the extra money, get the 3G and if you find out you mainly use WIFI then it's only $130 more you spent.

I'm not sure I'd wait. As more of these things are out there, it will become a lot more difficult to sell them at cost. Once Apple catches up in production to meet demand, it will be a money loser. (I ate the tax and cost of a case to sell mine, and that's less than a month after it was out).

 

[Walton Goggins]

This. I would probably buy the WIFI and if it becomes clear to you that you need the 3G just sell it and buy the 3G model. Go to craiglist and people are selling them pretty much at cost. Then again you can spend the extra money, get the 3G and if you find out you mainly use WIFI then it's only $130 more you spent.

I'm not sure I'd wait. As more of these things are out there, it will become a lot more difficult to sell them at cost. Once Apple catches up in production to meet demand, it will be a money loser. (I ate the tax and cost of a case to sell mine, and that's less than a month after it was out).

True. I made the big mistake letting my 3 and 5 year old play games / coloring book apps on my iphone and it's really the only thing they fight over. This (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/123-color-hd-talking-coloring/id364892854?mt=8) looks great and know they would love it but it's not available on the iphone.I could use my iphone and since the ipad is bigger they could both play on it.

So bite the bullet and get the 3G regardless if I think I'll need it or just get the cheapest WIFI version?

I could unlock and use TMobile but from an earlier link I posted it will run off EDGE only.

 

[Otis]

This. I would probably buy the WIFI and if it becomes clear to you that you need the 3G just sell it and buy the 3G model. Go to craiglist and people are selling them pretty much at cost. Then again you can spend the extra money, get the 3G and if you find out you mainly use WIFI then it's only $130 more you spent.

I'm not sure I'd wait. As more of these things are out there, it will become a lot more difficult to sell them at cost. Once Apple catches up in production to meet demand, it will be a money loser. (I ate the tax and cost of a case to sell mine, and that's less than a month after it was out).

True. I made the big mistake letting my 3 and 5 year old play games / coloring book apps on my iphone and it's really the only thing they fight over. This (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/123-color-hd-talking-coloring/id364892854?mt=8) looks great and know they would love it but it's not available on the iphone.I could use my iphone and since the ipad is bigger they could both play on it.

So bite the bullet and get the 3G regardless if I think I'll need it or just get the cheapest WIFI version?

I could unlock and use TMobile but from an earlier link I posted it will run off EDGE only.

For the $129, I think the upgrade to 3G is worth it. If you want to control costs, try going with the $15 a month data plan to start for 250MB. I went through half that data in about a week, so I'm guessing I will be upgrading. But I use this thing a whole freaking lot -- YMMV.

 

[One]

List of jail broken app compatibility with ipad here: Link

Nice. Are any of these written just for iPad or are they all native iPhone apps?

Bumpe for Otis.

 

[Walton Goggins]

This. I would probably buy the WIFI and if it becomes clear to you that you need the 3G just sell it and buy the 3G model. Go to craiglist and people are selling them pretty much at cost. Then again you can spend the extra money, get the 3G and if you find out you mainly use WIFI then it's only $130 more you spent.

I'm not sure I'd wait. As more of these things are out there, it will become a lot more difficult to sell them at cost. Once Apple catches up in production to meet demand, it will be a money loser. (I ate the tax and cost of a case to sell mine, and that's less than a month after it was out).

True. I made the big mistake letting my 3 and 5 year old play games / coloring book apps on my iphone and it's really the only thing they fight over. This (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/123-color-hd-talking-coloring/id364892854?mt=8) looks great and know they would love it but it's not available on the iphone.I could use my iphone and since the ipad is bigger they could both play on it.

So bite the bullet and get the 3G regardless if I think I'll need it or just get the cheapest WIFI version?

I could unlock and use TMobile but from an earlier link I posted it will run off EDGE only.

For the $129, I think the upgrade to 3G is worth it. If you want to control costs, try going with the $15 a month data plan to start for 250MB. I went through half that data in about a week, so I'm guessing I will be upgrading. But I use this thing a whole freaking lot -- YMMV.

Funny, decided to look on craigslist, why would someone pay full retail + tax for this instead of just going to Apple store? Perhaps cause they are sold out?http://austin.craigslist.org/ele/1730883100.html

 

[Wrigley]

Funny, decided to look on craigslist, why would someone pay full retail + tax for this instead of just going to Apple store? Perhaps cause they are sold out?

http://austin.craigslist.org/ele/1730883100.html

APPLE STORE

looks like they have them

 

[Walton Goggins]

This. I would probably buy the WIFI and if it becomes clear to you that you need the 3G just sell it and buy the 3G model. Go to craiglist and people are selling them pretty much at cost. Then again you can spend the extra money, get the 3G and if you find out you mainly use WIFI then it's only $130 more you spent.

I'm not sure I'd wait. As more of these things are out there, it will become a lot more difficult to sell them at cost. Once Apple catches up in production to meet demand, it will be a money loser. (I ate the tax and cost of a case to sell mine, and that's less than a month after it was out).

True. I made the big mistake letting my 3 and 5 year old play games / coloring book apps on my iphone and it's really the only thing they fight over. This (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/123-color-hd-talking-coloring/id364892854?mt=8) looks great and know they would love it but it's not available on the iphone.I could use my iphone and since the ipad is bigger they could both play on it.

So bite the bullet and get the 3G regardless if I think I'll need it or just get the cheapest WIFI version?

I could unlock and use TMobile but from an earlier link I posted it will run off EDGE only.

For the $129, I think the upgrade to 3G is worth it. If you want to control costs, try going with the $15 a month data plan to start for 250MB. I went through half that data in about a week, so I'm guessing I will be upgrading. But I use this thing a whole freaking lot -- YMMV.

Did you get the protection plan and/or any accessories?

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

IMHO a 3G model is a total waste of coin. Get the wifi, learn how to "tether" it to your cellphone (jailbroken if necessary) when you really need internet access, pocket the $200 or so. Particularly when I would bet money that a 4G iPad model will be released in the next 6-9 months.

I put "tether" in quotes since you probably have to turn your phone into a hotspot and tether may not be the appropriate verb.

Not sure it's a waste of money. If your actually using the 3g connection heavily the cell phone will not come close to matching the time the iPad will stay up. In my experience tethering drains batteries on phones quickly. You have to remember your using two radios all the time Wi-fi/bluetooth & 3g.

Also, if you are carrying the thing around it seems to me most would prefer to pull at the iPad and get to playing. If your tethering you have to get the phone out fire up the tethering app and pull out the iPad.

Just think 200 is worth it to work on the iPads terms not the cellphones.

I'd be curious if a jailbroken iPad can properly tether via bluetooth. If it can then there is no launch of an app on the iPhone, you just pair your iPad with it. Also you won't be using 3G all of the time the bandwidth is pretty crappy compared to wifi, your goal is to use wifi as much as possible. My point was 3G will soon be outdated anyway, if you can get 3G access when needed via your cellphone I'd try to limp along like that before having to upgrade to the 4G model. I'm sure Apple wants people to buy a wifi model, hand it down to someone in their family get the 3G, hand that one down to another family member and then spring for the 4G.

Nationwide cellular data networks don't roll out overnight. Far as I know, Sprint is the only one with any real semblance of a 4G network. Right? I haven't heard of AT&T introducing one yet. Point is, I think you're looking at well more than 6 months out before you see a 4G iPad.Here's a pretty good read on just how long this will take: http://money.cnn.com/2010/02/23/technology/4g_networks/

So, far as I can tell, holding off on this to wait for 4G is like holding off on buying a LCD TV because you know that in 3-4 years there will be a better one. Sure there will be. But that's a ways out.

To your other point, I don't see how getting the wifi version makes any difference on this issue. You've still bought an iPad that isn't 4G capable either way. Are you saying you could just tether your Wifi version to your 4G cell phone? If so, you could do the same with a 3G iPad. Yes, you've spend the $129 extra, but that's the only difference.

I don't see 4G as a reason NOT to buy the 3G one. If you're saying a person's use out of the home will be extremely limited, and they don't care to have access while on the road, or that they will just set up a tether for when they are on the road and can accept that it will be slower, a little more clunky, and a significant drain on battery, well then that's ok. Frankly, I bought the Wifi version initially expecting that I wouldn't really ever need 3G. When I started using it so much, and kept it with me constantly, and became frustrated with how difficult it was to find hotspots, the move to 3G was an easy decision for me.

Waiting 6 months does not mean wait 4 years.

I'll meet you halfway, in 12-18 months I suspect there will be a 4G iPad. Also after a 4G iPad exists I doubt you could get an extra $129 for your 3G iPad over selling your wifi only iPad. Also you are kidding yourself if you think the price difference is only $129, tack on extra $360 (30x12 months) to that $129 and now you are paying +$489 because you are too lazy to tether the iPad to a cellphone. It's o.k. though since you can afford it, it doesn't mean it is economical when you have other alternatives.

I'm curious what the battery life is on an iPhone if used to tether to a laptop via bluetooth only and not use any other features (phone, display, UI).

 

[Walton Goggins]

IMHO a 3G model is a total waste of coin. Get the wifi, learn how to "tether" it to your cellphone (jailbroken if necessary) when you really need internet access, pocket the $200 or so. Particularly when I would bet money that a 4G iPad model will be released in the next 6-9 months.

I put "tether" in quotes since you probably have to turn your phone into a hotspot and tether may not be the appropriate verb.

Not sure it's a waste of money. If your actually using the 3g connection heavily the cell phone will not come close to matching the time the iPad will stay up. In my experience tethering drains batteries on phones quickly. You have to remember your using two radios all the time Wi-fi/bluetooth & 3g.

Also, if you are carrying the thing around it seems to me most would prefer to pull at the iPad and get to playing. If your tethering you have to get the phone out fire up the tethering app and pull out the iPad.

Just think 200 is worth it to work on the iPads terms not the cellphones.

I'd be curious if a jailbroken iPad can properly tether via bluetooth. If it can then there is no launch of an app on the iPhone, you just pair your iPad with it. Also you won't be using 3G all of the time the bandwidth is pretty crappy compared to wifi, your goal is to use wifi as much as possible. My point was 3G will soon be outdated anyway, if you can get 3G access when needed via your cellphone I'd try to limp along like that before having to upgrade to the 4G model. I'm sure Apple wants people to buy a wifi model, hand it down to someone in their family get the 3G, hand that one down to another family member and then spring for the 4G.

Nationwide cellular data networks don't roll out overnight. Far as I know, Sprint is the only one with any real semblance of a 4G network. Right? I haven't heard of AT&T introducing one yet. Point is, I think you're looking at well more than 6 months out before you see a 4G iPad.Here's a pretty good read on just how long this will take: http://money.cnn.com/2010/02/23/technology/4g_networks/

So, far as I can tell, holding off on this to wait for 4G is like holding off on buying a LCD TV because you know that in 3-4 years there will be a better one. Sure there will be. But that's a ways out.

To your other point, I don't see how getting the wifi version makes any difference on this issue. You've still bought an iPad that isn't 4G capable either way. Are you saying you could just tether your Wifi version to your 4G cell phone? If so, you could do the same with a 3G iPad. Yes, you've spend the $129 extra, but that's the only difference.

I don't see 4G as a reason NOT to buy the 3G one. If you're saying a person's use out of the home will be extremely limited, and they don't care to have access while on the road, or that they will just set up a tether for when they are on the road and can accept that it will be slower, a little more clunky, and a significant drain on battery, well then that's ok. Frankly, I bought the Wifi version initially expecting that I wouldn't really ever need 3G. When I started using it so much, and kept it with me constantly, and became frustrated with how difficult it was to find hotspots, the move to 3G was an easy decision for me.

<_< Waiting 6 months does not mean wait 4 years.

I'll meet you halfway, in 12-18 months I suspect there will be a 4G iPad. Also after a 4G iPad exists I doubt you could get an extra $129 for your 3G iPad over selling your wifi only iPad. Also you are kidding yourself if you think the price difference is only $129, tack on extra $360 (30x12 months) to that $129 and now you are paying +$489 because you are too lazy to tether the iPad to a cellphone. It's o.k. though since you can afford it, it doesn't mean it is economical when you have other alternatives.

I'm curious what the battery life is on an iPhone if used to tether to a laptop via bluetooth only and not use any other features (phone, display, UI).

probably 1 to 2 hours

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

I'm curious what the battery life is on an iPhone if used to tether to a laptop via bluetooth only and not use any other features (phone, display, UI).

probably 1 to 2 hours

4h via bluetooth, much longer via USB (since it gets charged while tethered)

 

[Otis]

This. I would probably buy the WIFI and if it becomes clear to you that you need the 3G just sell it and buy the 3G model. Go to craiglist and people are selling them pretty much at cost. Then again you can spend the extra money, get the 3G and if you find out you mainly use WIFI then it's only $130 more you spent.

I'm not sure I'd wait. As more of these things are out there, it will become a lot more difficult to sell them at cost. Once Apple catches up in production to meet demand, it will be a money loser. (I ate the tax and cost of a case to sell mine, and that's less than a month after it was out).

True. I made the big mistake letting my 3 and 5 year old play games / coloring book apps on my iphone and it's really the only thing they fight over. This (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/123-color-hd-talking-coloring/id364892854?mt=8) looks great and know they would love it but it's not available on the iphone.I could use my iphone and since the ipad is bigger they could both play on it.

So bite the bullet and get the 3G regardless if I think I'll need it or just get the cheapest WIFI version?

I could unlock and use TMobile but from an earlier link I posted it will run off EDGE only.

For the $129, I think the upgrade to 3G is worth it. If you want to control costs, try going with the $15 a month data plan to start for 250MB. I went through half that data in about a week, so I'm guessing I will be upgrading. But I use this thing a whole freaking lot -- YMMV.

Did you get the protection plan and/or any accessories?

No plan. Just a case.

 

[Otis]

I'm curious what the battery life is on an iPhone if used to tether to a laptop via bluetooth only and not use any other features (phone, display, UI).

probably 1 to 2 hours

4h via bluetooth, much longer via USB (since it gets charged while tethered)

What is getting charged? And by what? Theyre both battery powered.

 

[3C's]

Time for this week's updated rankings....



***OFFICIAL*** Coach Otis' Annoying iPad Hater Rankings

1. Goggins (Rising)

2. LokiKx (Neutral)

3. The Commish (Falling)

4. gmbacm (Neutral)

5. Card Trader (Falling)

That's all for today folks -- see you next week.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

I'm curious what the battery life is on an iPhone if used to tether to a laptop via bluetooth only and not use any other features (phone, display, UI).

probably 1 to 2 hours

4h via bluetooth, much longer via USB (since it gets charged while tethered)

What is getting charged? And by what? Theyre both battery powered.

the phone gets charged from the super double battery powered iPad, that's assuming the iPad even allows you to hook the phone up to it via the USB port attachment.

 

[3C's]

How many times are the haters gonna get themselves owned in here? It's like they're lining up to jump off the cliff and can't get there fast enough. I mean, I get that we're all annoying on both sides of the fence, but jesus.

Weren't you the one saying crazy stuff like Apple created the touchscreen/multitouch and pinch-zoom is an app? Both of which are entirely untrue. Oh wait...that was Redding. Totally different. Sorry.

 

[Otis]

How many times are the haters gonna get themselves owned in here? It's like they're lining up to jump off the cliff and can't get there fast enough. I mean, I get that we're all annoying on both sides of the fence, but jesus.

Weren't you the one saying crazy stuff like Apple created the touchscreen/multitouch and pinch-zoom is an app? Both of which are entirely untrue.

They didn't? Link me to the product released before the iPhone. (and not a patent)

 

[3C's]

How many times are the haters gonna get themselves owned in here? It's like they're lining up to jump off the cliff and can't get there fast enough. I mean, I get that we're all annoying on both sides of the fence, but jesus.

Weren't you the one saying crazy stuff like Apple created the touchscreen/multitouch and pinch-zoom is an app? Both of which are entirely untrue.

They didn't? Link me to the product released before the iPhone. (and not a patent)

Already did...like 20 pages (or 40 depending on settings) ago. Like I said then, I worked for a company in the '80s that sold touchscreen computers to schools.

 

[Otis]

How many times are the haters gonna get themselves owned in here? It's like they're lining up to jump off the cliff and can't get there fast enough. I mean, I get that we're all annoying on both sides of the fence, but jesus.

Weren't you the one saying crazy stuff like Apple created the touchscreen/multitouch and pinch-zoom is an app? Both of which are entirely untrue.

They didn't? Link me to the product released before the iPhone. (and not a patent)

Already did...like 20 pages (or 40 depending on settings) ago. Like I said then, I worked for a company in the '80s that sold touchscreen computers to schools.

With multitouch?

 

[3C's]

They didn't? Link me to the product released before the iPhone. (and not a patent)

Already did...like 20 pages (or 40 depending on settings) ago. Like I said then, I worked for a company in the '80s that sold touchscreen computers to schools.

With multitouch?

Let's make sure we have this in proper perspective here:

A lawsuit for patent infringement!!!!

OMG that never happens!

You'd be sad to know how many times every one of these tech companies are sued for patent infringement. Some of the cases completely merit-less hold-ups, others with some merit. I still noticed that Apple's iPhone was the first really useable touchscreen device, and it's been out, what, three years now? They were the first ones to do it right in a well-designed product. I know that deeply pains you. And from what I read in the droid thread, pinch zoom IS an app. So, here we are, three years later, and other folks are catching on to things that make sense.

giantapplethumbup

http://www.billbuxton.com/multitouchOverview.html

 

[The Commish]

the phone gets charged from the super double battery powered iPad, that's assuming the iPad even allows you to hook the phone up to it via the USB port attachment.

Oh...don't go here...CS will be in here mocking you for how stupid you are to think the iPad had a usb port....just better to let this die GB.

 

[Otis]

Thats fair, but I don't think apple invented multitouch. Or touch screens. Just seems to me they've made the first real product that uses this, and it does it extremely well. Your link has dozens of research and lab projects, and not a single product I've ever heard of. Did apple just steal technology and win by good marketing? Or did they win because they do this stuff earlier and better than everyone else? I think it's the latter.

 

[Otis]

I'm curious what the battery life is on an iPhone if used to tether to a laptop via bluetooth only and not use any other features (phone, display, UI).

probably 1 to 2 hours

4h via bluetooth, much longer via USB (since it gets charged while tethered)

What is getting charged? And by what? Theyre both battery powered.

the phone gets charged from the super double battery powered iPad, that's assuming the iPad even allows you to hook the phone up to it via the USB port attachment.

First off, i don't think you'd want to charge one batter powered wireless device from another, even you could. But beyond that, it would be a real pain in the balls if every time i wanted to use my ipad i had to pull out a USB cord, plug the devices together, and then initiate some connection.

 

[Otis]

List of jail broken app compatibility with ipad here: Link

Nice. Are any of these written just for iPad or are they all native iPhone apps?

Bumpe for Otis.

Sorry. Far as I can tell -- and im still trying to figure out what half the jailbreak apps even do -- these are iphone apps, and many have not been redone for iPad. However, for e ones im using so far it doesn't matter, since they are behind the scenes functions mostly, like multitasking etc.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

the phone gets charged from the super double battery powered iPad, that's assuming the iPad even allows you to hook the phone up to it via the USB port attachment.

Oh...don't go here...CS will be in here mocking you for how stupid you are to think the iPad had a usb port....just better to let this die GB.

USB port

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

the phone gets charged from the super double battery powered iPad, that's assuming the iPad even allows you to hook the phone up to it via the USB port attachment.

First off, i don't think you'd want to charge one batter powered wireless device from another, even you could. But beyond that, it would be a real pain in the balls if every time i wanted to use my ipad i had to pull out a USB cord, plug the devices together, and then initiate some connection.

You would only do that if you needed to surf outside of wifi for more than 4h, either that or you get a battery doubler (tripler) for your iPhone and keep it connected via bluetooth - this is all assuming you can get all of this to work past Apple's proprietary lockdowns.Also the price and hassle of connecting via usb port <<< $489

 

[Otis]

the phone gets charged from the super double battery powered iPad, that's assuming the iPad even allows you to hook the phone up to it via the USB port attachment.

First off, i don't think you'd want to charge one batter powered wireless device from another, even you could. But beyond that, it would be a real pain in the balls if every time i wanted to use my ipad i had to pull out a USB cord, plug the devices together, and then initiate some connection.

You would only do that if you needed to surf outside of wifi for more than 4h, either that or you get a battery doubler (tripler) for your iPhone and keep it connected via bluetooth - this is all assuming you can get all of this to work past Apple's proprietary lockdowns.Also the price and hassle of connecting via usb port <<< $489

So now we're tethering two devices via USB cable and then connecting an external battery to one of them?Sounds like a nightmare to me. I'll just pay for the 3G version. The best part about this device is i can be on the subway, flip it open, and be reading, apping, or whatevering in seconds.

 

[Otis]

Also the price and hassle of connecting via usb port <<< $489

Disagree, particularly since your metric is a little screwy. It's 129 dollars up front, plus as little as fiteen dollars (about two bar drinks around here) per month as a future charge.

 

[3C's]

Thats fair, but I don't think apple invented multitouch. Or touch screens. Just seems to me they've made the first real product that uses this, and it does it extremely well. Your link has dozens of research and lab projects, and not a single product I've ever heard of. Did apple just steal technology and win by good marketing? Or did they win because they do this stuff earlier and better than everyone else? I think it's the latter.

You had said first usable touchscreen, whereas touchscreens date back to the late 50s and have been used in production devices for 30 or so years. Multitouch is a little different. Apple claimed they invented multitouch which is far from true. What they did was swoop up two of the early brains in multitouch technology. They do get credit for bringing it to the common consumer though.Not sure why this phone never took off.

Preceeded the iPhone. Had multitouch and some cool looking abilities.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Thats fair, but I don't think apple invented multitouch. Or touch screens. Just seems to me they've made the first real product that uses this, and it does it extremely well. Your link has dozens of research and lab projects, and not a single product I've ever heard of. Did apple just steal technology and win by good marketing? Or did they win because they do this stuff earlier and better than everyone else? I think it's the latter.

You had said first usable touchscreen, whereas touchscreens date back to the late 50s and have been used in production devices for 30 or so years. Multitouch is a little different. Apple claimed they invented multitouch which is far from true. What they did was swoop up two of the early brains in multitouch technology. They do get credit for bringing it to the common consumer though.Not sure why this phone never took off.

I think you think multitouch means you need to click the same thing multiple times for the phone to recognize it.

 

[goonsquad]

How many times are the haters gonna get themselves owned in here? It's like they're lining up to jump off the cliff and can't get there fast enough. I mean, I get that we're all annoying on both sides of the fence, but jesus.

Weren't you the one saying crazy stuff like Apple created the touchscreen/multitouch and pinch-zoom is an app? Both of which are entirely untrue.

They didn't? Link me to the product released before the iPhone. (and not a patent)

Already did...like 20 pages (or 40 depending on settings) ago. Like I said then, I worked for a company in the '80s that sold touchscreen computers to schools.

Good lord, you're actually comparing 1980's "touchscreen" monitors to Apple's multitouch?! Really? That's like saying Motorola invented the iPhone.

Look, we all know Apple didn't invent cell phones and they didn't invent touch screens. Just like they didn't invent the mouse or the desktop UI. What they did, as they always do, is recognize the potential, build upon existing concepts, push the boundries of what anyone before them has done, refine and expand upon them in brand new ways, and implement them into new devices that actually make sense and are a joy to use. Most importantly, they lead the way for everyone else, showing the world how to create products that change the world. Apple is flag-bearer. The path finder. They forge ahead into markets where others have stagnated or failed and show everyone the correct way. Apple didn't invent the tablet computer. But that entire sector was a massive fail every time ANY other company in the world attempted it. Until Apple showed the way. Again.

 

[Otis]

Thats fair, but I don't think apple invented multitouch. Or touch screens. Just seems to me they've made the first real product that uses this, and it does it extremely well. Your link has dozens of research and lab projects, and not a single product I've ever heard of. Did apple just steal technology and win by good marketing? Or did they win because they do this stuff earlier and better than everyone else? I think it's the latter.

You had said first usable touchscreen, whereas touchscreens date back to the late 50s and have been used in production devices for 30 or so years. Multitouch is a little different. Apple claimed they invented multitouch which is far from true. What they did was swoop up two of the early brains in multitouch technology. They do get credit for bringing it to the common consumer though.Not sure why this phone never took off.

Has Apple ever really claimed they "invented" multitouch? They definitely brought it to the consumer, and did it the best, but I haven't seen them say that (and I can't imagine they would?).And the phone you linked above looks pretty cool, but it's just a concept phone. I imagine that if Apple didn't have design/cost constraints, and just needed to build a super cool, one-off concept, that they would drum up something pretty amazing. Heck, look at all these concept tablets we keep hearing about (MS Courier) that never make it to market. A whole new set of challenges are introduced when you've got design constraints like size, cost, battery life, regulatory issues, and others.