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Watching Jack Nicklaus give his press conference on the Masters app :goodposting:

This is not ipad specific - since I think this is available on the web site also - but it looks good either way.

 
To quickly sum up my iPad thoughts- It's perfect for me when at home. 95%+ of the time i'm on a computer at home i'm using a computer for relaxation/entertainment. For the other 5% of the time i will use my desktop.- It is the nicest and most enjoyable device i've ever used for general surfing/email/videos/books/etc.For those who haven't used it and have a bunch of questions, just go use one. If you don't like it and it doesn't fill your needs then don't buy it.I have zero doubt about how huge this is going to be. Everyone i showed it to from kids aged 6 through adults aged 70 has loved the experience and wants one themselves.
This is an example of great posting.
Really, don't see much here except go use one I can't explain anything about it.1. Videos - Do you find the one inch or so of borders to be an issue when watching video widescreen?2. Typing - How is typing?3. Why is it the most enjoyable?4. I've used one and still would like to hear solid answers to how people feel about it.*Reading - Figured out that a two finger swipe goes to the next chapter.
the point is that it's a waste of time to explain the experience of using one since it really is a personal experience and no one knows what someone elses needs are. It's a unique device and hard to put into words.All i know is i couldn't put it down the first day i got it and am still finding new things to do on it, which i would assume will always be the case due to the ample supply of diverse apps.Most have loved the experience, some haven't and you won't know until you actually try it.
 
To quickly sum up my iPad thoughts- It's perfect for me when at home. 95%+ of the time i'm on a computer at home i'm using a computer for relaxation/entertainment. For the other 5% of the time i will use my desktop.- It is the nicest and most enjoyable device i've ever used for general surfing/email/videos/books/etc.For those who haven't used it and have a bunch of questions, just go use one. If you don't like it and it doesn't fill your needs then don't buy it.I have zero doubt about how huge this is going to be. Everyone i showed it to from kids aged 6 through adults aged 70 has loved the experience and wants one themselves.
This is an example of great posting.
Really, don't see much here except go use one I can't explain anything about it.1. Videos - Do you find the one inch or so of borders to be an issue when watching video widescreen?2. Typing - How is typing?3. Why is it the most enjoyable?4. I've used one and still would like to hear solid answers to how people feel about it.*Reading - Figured out that a two finger swipe goes to the next chapter.
Someone else does the passive aggressive QandA session much better.just sayin...
 
what is the talk about the "reader". Have they come up with something similar to a Kindle?

Packing up desk for a trip, about 4 inches of paper going into bag. Would love to be able to eliminate (or reduce it). But I hate reading from computer screens.

 
what is the talk about the "reader". Have they come up with something similar to a Kindle?Packing up desk for a trip, about 4 inches of paper going into bag. Would love to be able to eliminate (or reduce it). But I hate reading from computer screens.
I've had no problem reading on it. It's been easy on my eyes, and the brightness control is right at the top of the page.I'm doing a 12 hour flight to Asia this week and lots of traveling there and then a return flight, and it's been fairly easy for me to load up a ton of work materials (several large binders' worth) in PDF format onto this thing, in addition to all my entertainment and personal stuff. I can even put all my work presentations on there. Basically, I could probably pull off this trip mostly by using just this. Gonna be sweet. :D
 
Wow, what a hypocrite. You basically just spent two weeks continually dropping in on the March Madness threads to do the exact same thing you're crying about in here. You were a nightmare in there and you know it...constantly mocking everybody and everything about it. Solely because of their popularity were you there, enjoying every next piss you could take. Let's see, how can I get even more attention?

Pathetic.
I love March Madness. I think I posted there 3 times, to mess with my GB Cappy. I'm sorry I offended you, chief.Whatever you do, be sure to stay angry.
:D Not even close. And Capella hated it, asking you to leave. I actually never said a word about any of it, it's typical and it's not going to change. But, having just seen this you're crying game to Joe Brant, it was worth mentioning.Anyway, go get some attention buddy, it's out there!!
Yes, I know you like Capella. I do too, sport!Is there really a Masters app? :drool:

 
Wow, what a hypocrite. You basically just spent two weeks continually dropping in on the March Madness threads to do the exact same thing you're crying about in here. You were a nightmare in there and you know it...constantly mocking everybody and everything about it. Solely because of their popularity were you there, enjoying every next piss you could take. Let's see, how can I get even more attention?

Pathetic.
I love March Madness. I think I posted there 3 times, to mess with my GB Cappy. I'm sorry I offended you, chief.Whatever you do, be sure to stay angry.
:goodposting: Not even close. And Capella hated it, asking you to leave. I actually never said a word about any of it, it's typical and it's not going to change. But, having just seen this you're crying game to Joe Brant, it was worth mentioning.Anyway, go get some attention buddy, it's out there!!
Yes, I know you like Capella. I do too, sport!Is there really a Masters app? :drool:
I just like how you cried about it, to Joe Bryant no less. :lmao: A boy and his Apple. :lmao:
 
Wow, what a hypocrite. You basically just spent two weeks continually dropping in on the March Madness threads to do the exact same thing you're crying about in here. You were a nightmare in there and you know it...constantly mocking everybody and everything about it. Solely because of their popularity were you there, enjoying every next piss you could take. Let's see, how can I get even more attention?

Pathetic.
I love March Madness. I think I posted there 3 times, to mess with my GB Cappy. I'm sorry I offended you, chief.Whatever you do, be sure to stay angry.
:goodposting: Not even close. And Capella hated it, asking you to leave. I actually never said a word about any of it, it's typical and it's not going to change. But, having just seen this you're crying game to Joe Brant, it was worth mentioning.Anyway, go get some attention buddy, it's out there!!
Yes, I know you like Capella. I do too, sport!Is there really a Masters app? :drool:
I just like how you cried about it, to Joe Bryant no less. :lmao: A boy and his Apple. :lmao:
"Cried"? Really?First off, I didn't say anything to Joe about it. I was asking the guys specifically who were doing the posting.

My only exchange with Joe was when he came down on me for questioning them, and said that I picked the fight.

Reading way down?

 
GB, I'm saying you picked the fight. :shrug:J
I don't see this at all. How did I pick a fight? By expressing enthusiasm for a new product? It's not like I went out and said "this device is way better then what you guys are using, and you're all morons." And I certainly didn't go trolling in an android thread (is there even one?) or some microsoft thread looking for someone to argue with.So yeah, I have to disagree here.
next time, don't tag the Topic with one of those heart things. You did, and then you were just asking for it.
Can we get a heart emoticon for that? :pickfight:PS, if anyone is interested, the guys in the android thread on page 3 are pretty stoked about the new pinch-zoom app they have available. Can't imagine where they got that idea from, but it sounds pretty cool. :thumbup:
Too bad Apple didn't think of it first. It's been around for decades. And now they're facing a lawsuit for patent infringement.PS, it's not an "app" and Droid has had it all along (not new).
 
To quickly sum up my iPad thoughts- It's perfect for me when at home. 95%+ of the time i'm on a computer at home i'm using a computer for relaxation/entertainment. For the other 5% of the time i will use my desktop.- It is the nicest and most enjoyable device i've ever used for general surfing/email/videos/books/etc.For those who haven't used it and have a bunch of questions, just go use one. If you don't like it and it doesn't fill your needs then don't buy it.I have zero doubt about how huge this is going to be. Everyone i showed it to from kids aged 6 through adults aged 70 has loved the experience and wants one themselves.
This is an example of great posting.
Really, don't see much here except go use one I can't explain anything about it.1. Videos - Do you find the one inch or so of borders to be an issue when watching video widescreen?2. Typing - How is typing?3. Why is it the most enjoyable?4. I've used one and still would like to hear solid answers to how people feel about it.*Reading - Figured out that a two finger swipe goes to the next chapter.
the point is that it's a waste of time to explain the experience of using one since it really is a personal experience and no one knows what someone elses needs are. It's a unique device and hard to put into words.All i know is i couldn't put it down the first day i got it and am still finding new things to do on it, which i would assume will always be the case due to the ample supply of diverse apps.Most have loved the experience, some haven't and you won't know until you actually try it.
I've been trying it the last few days. I know three people that have them so there easy to get access to. One of the three has buyers remorse the others are happy with the purchase.I also like here others experience and cool finds. Someone saying it cool doesn't mean anything. Knowing I can two finger swipe in the reader is good info. Knowing that one inch black boxing seems to be the norm on widescreen movies, etc is all good info.
 
To quickly sum up my iPad thoughts- It's perfect for me when at home. 95%+ of the time i'm on a computer at home i'm using a computer for relaxation/entertainment. For the other 5% of the time i will use my desktop.- It is the nicest and most enjoyable device i've ever used for general surfing/email/videos/books/etc.For those who haven't used it and have a bunch of questions, just go use one. If you don't like it and it doesn't fill your needs then don't buy it.I have zero doubt about how huge this is going to be. Everyone i showed it to from kids aged 6 through adults aged 70 has loved the experience and wants one themselves.
This is an example of great posting.
Really, don't see much here except go use one I can't explain anything about it.1. Videos - Do you find the one inch or so of borders to be an issue when watching video widescreen?2. Typing - How is typing?3. Why is it the most enjoyable?4. I've used one and still would like to hear solid answers to how people feel about it.*Reading - Figured out that a two finger swipe goes to the next chapter.
Someone else does the passive aggressive QandA session much better.just sayin...
To bad the people that have them can't tell us what they love about them.Like the reader.1. Like the two finger chapter turns.2. Like the bookmarking adding a snippet of what you bookmark to the TOC.3. Hate the page flip animations4. Hate the fake pages on the edge.5. Wish they had more font size and font choices.6. Didn't see it but might find it. Wish it had a theme or a day night toggle.Movies1. Lose way to much real-estate with black boxing. NotesPretty niceCalendar1. With the size I found my self wanting to write on the calendar. man that would have rocked. 2. Nice appDevice1. In my opinion it needs to shave a little more weight off.2. Upscaling seemed to hang the device in the simpsons game while going full screen. (slow load maybe)3. Typing is not very good at the moment. Could get better but unless I think about slowing down it is terrible. If I force my self to slow down it works great (flat position)4. 16gb model really isn't enough if you going to have you whole collection be portable. In this case I couldn't imagine going with anything other than 64gb.5. Auto-correction would be nicer if it was above the keyboard where I'm focusing. In notes I found my self glancing up to make sure but needing to see the keyboard also.
 
what is the talk about the "reader". Have they come up with something similar to a Kindle?Packing up desk for a trip, about 4 inches of paper going into bag. Would love to be able to eliminate (or reduce it). But I hate reading from computer screens.
This is reading from a computer screen it does not compare to an e-ink screen. You will get wash out unless you turn the brightness all the way up outside. The presentation is nice but a little to much fluff for me. If you are carrying around tech docs and such it's a great way to do it and better than a kindle for that.
 
GB, I'm saying you picked the fight. :shrug:J
I don't see this at all. How did I pick a fight? By expressing enthusiasm for a new product? It's not like I went out and said "this device is way better then what you guys are using, and you're all morons." And I certainly didn't go trolling in an android thread (is there even one?) or some microsoft thread looking for someone to argue with.So yeah, I have to disagree here.
next time, don't tag the Topic with one of those heart things. You did, and then you were just asking for it.
Can we get a heart emoticon for that? :pickfight:PS, if anyone is interested, the guys in the android thread on page 3 are pretty stoked about the new pinch-zoom app they have available. Can't imagine where they got that idea from, but it sounds pretty cool. :D
Too bad Apple didn't think of it first. It's been around for decades. And now they're facing a lawsuit for patent infringement.PS, it's not an "app" and Droid has had it all along (not new).
A lawsuit for patent infringement!!!! :shock:OMG that never happens!You'd be sad to know how many times every one of these tech companies are sued for patent infringement. Some of the cases completely merit-less hold-ups, others with some merit. I still noticed that Apple's iPhone was the first really useable touchscreen device, and it's been out, what, three years now? They were the first ones to do it right in a well-designed product. I know that deeply pains you. And from what I read in the droid thread, pinch zoom IS an app. So, here we are, three years later, and other folks are catching on to things that make sense.giantapplethumbup
 
A lawsuit for patent infringement!!!! :shock:OMG that never happens!You'd be sad to know how many times every one of these tech companies are sued for patent infringement. Some of the cases completely merit-less hold-ups, others with some merit. I still noticed that Apple's iPhone was the first really useable touchscreen device, and it's been out, what, three years now? They were the first ones to do it right in a well-designed product. I know that deeply pains you. And from what I read in the droid thread, pinch zoom IS an app. So, here we are, three years later, and other folks are catching on to things that make sense.giantapplethumbup
The company suing them has already won one case on the same patent. First usable touch screen device. Funny I had usable touchscreens way before apple. Maybe they were first to do it in a product you felt was well designed but yeah not even close.From what you read? Why not use the device and see. Isn't that what everyone is saying here.
 
A lawsuit for patent infringement!!!! :lmao:

OMG that never happens!

You'd be sad to know how many times every one of these tech companies are sued for patent infringement. Some of the cases completely merit-less hold-ups, others with some merit. I still noticed that Apple's iPhone was the first really useable touchscreen device, and it's been out, what, three years now? They were the first ones to do it right in a well-designed product. I know that deeply pains you. And from what I read in the droid thread, pinch zoom IS an app. So, here we are, three years later, and other folks are catching on to things that make sense.

giantapplethumbup
A little multitouch history for you. http://www.billbuxton.com/multitouchOverview.htmliPhone is hardly the first usable touchscreen device. I worked for a company in the '80s that used touchscreen displays in schools. We installed boatloads in public schools and military bases. What iPhone is is the first readily availble consumer device to have multitouch. MS had a tablet in early 2000 but manufacturers were adamant that it include a keyboard. Kind of killed their effort.

As for the Droid, multitouch is NOT an app. Either you read wrong in that thread or someone doesn't understand the technology. Multitouch is a combination of hardware and software drivers that can utilize the hardware. The api is there in android. Software (apps) have to be written to use it. The Droid had it day one. They disabled it in the US while waiting on patent clarification. The rest of the world always had it on their version of the Droid. Now they've enabled it in the US.

 
A lawsuit for patent infringement!!!! :goodposting:

OMG that never happens!

You'd be sad to know how many times every one of these tech companies are sued for patent infringement. Some of the cases completely merit-less hold-ups, others with some merit. I still noticed that Apple's iPhone was the first really useable touchscreen device, and it's been out, what, three years now? They were the first ones to do it right in a well-designed product. I know that deeply pains you. And from what I read in the droid thread, pinch zoom IS an app. So, here we are, three years later, and other folks are catching on to things that make sense.

giantapplethumbup
A little multitouch history for you. http://www.billbuxton.com/multitouchOverview.htmliPhone is hardly the first usable touchscreen device. I worked for a company in the '80s that used touchscreen displays in schools. We installed boatloads in public schools and military bases. What iPhone is is the first readily availble consumer device to have multitouch. MS had a tablet in early 2000 but manufacturers were adamant that it include a keyboard. Kind of killed their effort.

As for the Droid, multitouch is NOT an app. Either you read wrong in that thread or someone doesn't understand the technology. Multitouch is a combination of hardware and software drivers that can utilize the hardware. The api is there in android. Software (apps) have to be written to use it. The Droid had it day one. They disabled it in the US while waiting on patent clarification. The rest of the world always had it on their version of the Droid. Now they've enabled it in the US.
Nice facts. Thanks.
 
I won't bother with a review, since folks in here seem to have both that and awkward coy interrogation shtick down pat, but I'll just reinforce that this thing rocks and is the most innovative and popular product we'll see in a while.

Please resume the sword fighting and such.

 
I won't bother with a review, since folks in here seem to have both that and awkward coy interrogation shtick down pat, but I'll just reinforce that this thing rocks and is the most innovative and popular product we'll see in a while. Please resume the sword fighting and such.
Seem like a cop out to me. The one i played with was simply a big ipod Touch. I just couldn't call it the most innovative thing we'll see in awhile when it's just a super sized version of a device that already existed. I don't need to ask questions about it now that I've used one for a day. Hopefully they'll announce improved versions soon.
 
Interesting read and comments at end

http://www.boingboing.net/2010/04/02/why-i...dnt-either.html

Why I won't buy an iPad (and think you shouldn't, either)

Cory Doctorow at 5:23 AM April 2, 2010

I've spent ten years now on Boing Boing, finding cool things that people have done and made and writing about them. Most of the really exciting stuff hasn't come from big corporations with enormous budgets, it's come from experimentalist amateurs. These people were able to make stuff and put it in the public's eye and even sell it without having to submit to the whims of a single company that had declared itself gatekeeper for your phone and other personal technology.

Danny O'Brien does a very good job of explaining why I'm completely uninterested in buying an iPad -- it really feels like the second coming of the CD-ROM "revolution" in which "content" people proclaimed that they were going to remake media by producing expensive (to make and to buy) products. I was a CD-ROM programmer at the start of my tech career, and I felt that excitement, too, and lived through it to see how wrong I was, how open platforms and experimental amateurs would eventually beat out the spendy, slick pros.

I remember the early days of the web -- and the last days of CD ROM -- when there was this mainstream consensus that the web and PCs were too durned geeky and difficult and unpredictable for "my mom" (it's amazing how many tech people have an incredibly low opinion of their mothers). If I had a share of AOL for every time someone told me that the web would die because AOL was so easy and the web was full of garbage, I'd have a lot of AOL shares.

And they wouldn't be worth much.

Incumbents made bad revolutionaries

Relying on incumbents to produce your revolutions is not a good strategy. They're apt to take all the stuff that makes their products great and try to use technology to charge you extra for it, or prohibit it altogether.

I mean, look at that Marvel app (just look at it). I was a comic-book kid, and I'm a comic-book grownup, and the thing that made comics for me was sharing them. If there was ever a medium that relied on kids swapping their purchases around to build an audience, it was comics. And the used market for comics! It was -- and is -- huge, and vital. I can't even count how many times I've gone spelunking in the used comic-bins at a great and musty store to find back issues that I'd missed, or sample new titles on the cheap. (It's part of a multigenerational tradition in my family -- my mom's father used to take her and her sibs down to Dragon Lady Comics on Queen Street in Toronto every weekend to swap their old comics for credit and get new ones).

So what does Marvel do to "enhance" its comics? They take away the right to give, sell or loan your comics. What an improvement. Way to take the joyous, marvellous sharing and bonding experience of comic reading and turn it into a passive, lonely undertaking that isolates, rather than unites. Nice one, Misney.

Infantalizing hardware

Then there's the device itself: clearly there's a lot of thoughtfulness and smarts that went into the design. But there's also a palpable contempt for the owner. I believe -- really believe -- in the stirring words of the Maker Manifesto: if you can't open it, you don't own it. Screws not glue. The original Apple ][+ came with schematics for the circuit boards, and birthed a generation of hardware and software hackers who upended the world for the better. If you wanted your kid to grow up to be a confident, entrepreneurial, and firmly in the camp that believes that you should forever be rearranging the world to make it better, you bought her an Apple ][+.

But with the iPad, it seems like Apple's model customer is that same stupid stereotype of a technophobic, timid, scatterbrained mother as appears in a billion renditions of "that's too complicated for my mom" (listen to the pundits extol the virtues of the iPad and time how long it takes for them to explain that here, finally, is something that isn't too complicated for their poor old mothers).

The model of interaction with the iPad is to be a "consumer," what William Gibson memorably described as "something the size of a baby hippo, the color of a week-old boiled potato, that lives by itself, in the dark, in a double-wide on the outskirts of Topeka. It's covered with eyes and it sweats constantly. The sweat runs into those eyes and makes them sting. It has no mouth... no genitals, and can only express its mute extremes of murderous rage and infantile desire by changing the channels on a universal remote."

The way you improve your iPad isn't to figure out how it works and making it better. The way you improve the iPad is to buy iApps. Buying an iPad for your kids isn't a means of jump-starting the realization that the world is yours to take apart and reassemble; it's a way of telling your offspring that even changing the batteries is something you have to leave to the professionals.

Dale Dougherty's piece on Hypercard and its influence on a generation of young hackers is a must-read on this. I got my start as a Hypercard programmer, and it was Hypercard's gentle and intuitive introduction to the idea of remaking the world that made me consider a career in computers.

Wal-Martization of the software channel

And let's look at the iStore. For a company whose CEO professes a hatred of DRM, Apple sure has made DRM its alpha and omega. Having gotten into business with the two industries that most believe that you shouldn't be able to modify your hardware, load your own software on it, write software for it, override instructions given to it by the mothership (the entertainment industry and the phone companies), Apple has defined its business around these principles. It uses DRM to control what can run on your devices, which means that Apple's customers can't take their "iContent" with them to competing devices, and Apple developers can't sell on their own terms.

The iStore lock-in doesn't make life better for Apple's customers or Apple's developers. As an adult, I want to be able to choose whose stuff I buy and whom I trust to evaluate that stuff. I don't want my universe of apps constrained to the stuff that the Cupertino Politburo decides to allow for its platform. And as a copyright holder and creator, I don't want a single, Wal-Mart-like channel that controls access to my audience and dictates what is and is not acceptable material for me to create. The last time I posted about this, we got a string of apologies for Apple's abusive contractual terms for developers, but the best one was, "Did you think that access to a platform where you can make a fortune would come without strings attached?" I read it in Don Corleone's voice and it sounded just right. Of course I believe in a market where competition can take place without bending my knee to a company that has erected a drawbridge between me and my customers!

Journalism is looking for a daddy figure

I think that the press has been all over the iPad because Apple puts on a good show, and because everyone in journalism-land is looking for a daddy figure who'll promise them that their audience will go back to paying for their stuff. The reason people have stopped paying for a lot of "content" isn't just that they can get it for free, though: it's that they can get lots of competing stuff for free, too. The open platform has allowed for an explosion of new material, some of it rough-hewn, some of it slick as the pros, most of it targetted more narrowly than the old media ever managed. Rupert Murdoch can rattle his saber all he likes about taking his content out of Google, but I say do it, Rupert. We'll miss your fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the Web so little that we'll hardly notice it, and we'll have no trouble finding material to fill the void.

Just like the gadget press is full of devices that gadget bloggers need (and that no one else cares about), the mainstream press is full of stories that affirm the internal media consensus. Yesterday's empires do something sacred and vital and most of all grown up, and that other adults will eventually come along to move us all away from the kids' playground that is the wild web, with its amateur content and lack of proprietary channels where exclusive deals can be made. We'll move back into the walled gardens that best return shareholder value to the investors who haven't updated their portfolios since before eTrade came online.

But the real economics of iPad publishing tell a different story: even a stellar iPad sales performance isn't going to do much to stanch the bleeding from traditional publishing. Wishful thinking and a nostalgia for the good old days of lockdown won't bring customers back through the door.

Gadgets come and gadgets go

Gadgets come and gadgets go. The iPad you buy today will be e-waste in a year or two (less, if you decide not to pay to have the battery changed for you). The real issue isn't the capabilities of the piece of plastic you unwrap today, but the technical and social infrastructure that accompanies it.

If you want to live in the creative universe where anyone with a cool idea can make it and give it to you to run on your hardware, the iPad isn't for you.

If you want to live in the fair world where you get to keep (or give away) the stuff you buy, the iPad isn't for you.

If you want to write code for a platform where the only thing that determines whether you're going to succeed with it is whether your audience loves it, the iPad isn't for you.

 
Why You Shouldn't Buy an iPad (Yet)

http://www.fastcompany.com/1604832/why-you...buy-an-ipad-yet

Apple's iPad arrives in stores tomorrow and reviewers agree that it's a magic revolutionary new class of computer. But you shouldn't buy one. Not yet, anyway.

Let's break this down.

First-generation Apple products are for suckers. Only lemmings with no self-control and excessive disposable income buy first generation Apple products, especially in a new gadget category. When they do, they pay the double the price for immature hardware and software.

Remember the iPhone? It debuted in 2007 with two models priced at $500 and $600, with no native applications--only mobile Web apps, few of which came in an iPhone-friendly format at launch because it was such a new device. A year later, in 2008, a faster iPhone 3G went on sale for $300 less, with native application support. At the time, there weren't very many native applications because it was a brand new application platform. Finally, last summer, the iPhone 3GS--a beefy, snappy phone for the same price as the 3G--actually ran a huge catalog of native apps a few versions old at a reasonable speed. The 3G is now on sale for a measly $100, one fifth of the price of the first generation's cheapest model.

Don't be the guy who bought the first-gen iPad when Apple slashes the 2011 iPad price in half.

Next year's iPad will be faster, cheaper, less buggy, and have better apps and worthy competitors. Let all the deep-pocketed Jobs apostles be your canaries into the iPad coalmine. Give developers time to fix their apps to work well on the iPad. Give Apple a year to lower prices on faster hardware and fill in all the gaping feature holes. (Remember how long early iPhone owners lived without copy and paste?)

While the Apple faithful could argue that the iPad's application platform matured during three years of deployment on the iPhone and iPod touch, keep in mind: iPad developers have been working on their software not with an actual iPad, but with a software simulator. You can't truly see how your application works in a simulator. The great iPad apps haven't grown up yet--and most of them haven't even been born.

iPad reviewer Xeni Jardin writes:

Maybe the most exciting thing about iPad is the apps that aren't here yet. The book-film-game hybrid someone will bust out in a year, redefining the experience of each, and suggesting some new nouns and verbs in the process. Or an augmented reality lens from NASA that lets you hold the thing up to the sky and pinpoint where the ISS is, next to what constellation, read the names and see the faces of the crew members, check how those fuel cells are holding up. I like [iPad] a lot. But it's the things I never knew it made possible -- to be revealed or not in the coming months -- that will determine whether I love it.

If you're interested in the iPad because of what it will be someday, put your $500 in an interest-bearing savings account between now and when the device (or a competitor's) realizes that potential. You'll get a better product for less dough.

The early adopter tax isn't the only cost of acquiring an unproven device.

You don't know if you need an iPad yet. If you've already got a smartphone and a laptop, the gap in your workflow that the iPad might fill isn't obvious, and discerning consumers only absorb gadgets that fulfill a need. Plenty of geeks across the Internet have described how the iPad is an expensive, closed platform with too many missing features. I'm opting for simple common sense: new gadget acquisitions come with hidden costs. Only buy devices whose benefits you know outweigh those costs.

New gadgets create friction in your life. Every new gadget you acquire is another screen to pay attention to, another battery to charge, another device to sync, secure, weigh down your bag, and buy accessories for; it's another shiny thing to worry about losing, getting stolen, scratched, dropped, and serviced. If the iPad doesn't fill an obvious need in your work or home life right now, pass.

At least for now.

In one year the iPad will be a much better device, and an entire ecosystem of competitors will offer you more choice and features for your money. When the heat of the iPad launchlust cools, and you've still got your 500 bucks in the bank, you'll be glad you stayed out of the Apple store this weekend.

 
Of course they will be cheaper and faster in a year, Walt. Like everything else in this world.

Look, there's the guys who go to the moon first and then there's the guys down on earth watching those guys go to the moon.

This message sent from my iPad

 
Of course they will be cheaper and faster in a year, Walt. Like everything else in this world.

Look, there's the guys who go to the moon first and then there's the guys down on earth watching those guys go to the moon.

This message sent from my iPad
:( This hyperbole is what JB was talking about. iPad is not like going to the moon first. If anything, it's like going to the moon in a 777 instead of the smaller shuttle.

 
Of course they will be cheaper and faster in a year, Walt. Like everything else in this world.

Look, there's the guys who go to the moon first and then there's the guys down on earth watching those guys go to the moon.

This message sent from my iPad
:lol: This hyperbole is what JB was talking about. iPad is not like going to the moon first. If anything, it's like going to the moon in a 777 instead of the smaller shuttle.
:D Tablet computing is nothing new, the iPad has more restrictions than its predecessors, it just has a nice UI.

 
Of course they will be cheaper and faster in a year, Walt. Like everything else in this world.

Look, there's the guys who go to the moon first and then there's the guys down on earth watching those guys go to the moon.

This message sent from my iPad
:lol: This hyperbole is what JB was talking about. iPad is not like going to the moon first. If anything, it's like going to the moon in a 777 instead of the smaller shuttle.
:D Tablet computing is nothing new, the iPad has more restrictions than its predecessors, it just has a nice UI.
Hopefully it will do better than the newton. It seems to be striking a new nerve between phone aps and laptops. It won't replace either but with 10 hour battery life and watching movies and email it should do well.

 
I got to play with one yesterday -- we picked one up for demo/office use at my workplace. It was pretty cool to use Citrix Receiver to remote desktop into servers using only this little disembodied screen. I'm sold on the form factor and I believe that devices like the iPad (and including the iPad) will be the biggest "expansion of the pie" the personal computer market has seen since the web exploded and then matured in the public's eye.

The sheer gravity of the web and the things you can do with it pretty much pulled everyone into its orbit. The only groups left out were those who could not afford a personal computer and those who were not capable of learning how to use one.

The iPad and devices like it are the breakthrough platform that will eventually solve both of those problems. An embedded OS is very easy to use and requires minimal maintenance. It simplifies the use of the device for those who have never really used a computer. If you've never gotten used to traditional computing paradigms, replacing a mouse cursor with a touchscreen and a keyboard with a visual representation of one makes perfect sense.

On the other hand, those of us who are used to traditional computing interfaces will find the iPad (and devices like it) somewhat unnatural to use. This group will recognize the limitations of the embedded OS. But this group has shown that they are nothing if not adaptable, and the benefit of these devices will grow as the platform and technology matures.

And prices will come down substantially. Right now, the large IPS and OLED touchscreens in the iPad and smartphones are relatively very expensive and in limited supply. The SSD flash storage used in these devices is also in high demand. Once manufacturing economies of scale really kick in and undercut the pricing of these components, we'll see how low the price points can go. On the other hand, the clamshell netbook form factor with an electromechanical keyboard is already approaching its minimum manufacturing cost. The only way netbooks can get much "cheaper" is through increased capacity due to Moore's Law. But the tablets will see the same benefit from Moore's Law while also reaping the benefit of economies of scale. The only way the netbooks can possibly keep up is by reducing the cost of the OS.

And once Google's "less than free" pricing model kicks in with the arrival of the first few Android (and eventually ChromeOS) tablets, the margins in this segment will drop to zero quickly. They'll go negative eventually, just like the gaming console market has shown. Selling the device at a loss sets you, the content gatekeeper, up with a perpetual ad-based referral revenue stream. Google's strategy is to cut in the hardware manufacturer on that revenue stream -- effectively subsidizing the device to get as many units in the hands of consumers as possible.

And as the price points on tablets get cheaper, the market will continue expanding to include more of the folks who cannot currently afford personal computers. This will stoke further growth. And eventually, the ubiquity and maturity of these devices will make them more compelling even to those of us who prefer a "real computer". Within a couple of years, tablet computers with embedded OSes will take a big, wet bite out of the low-end and middle segment of the personal computing market.

So in the end, it really comes down to a question of who you prefer your gatekeeper to be. And that's what troubles me the most about the iPad, and has troubled me the most about my iPhone. I love the device -- it's been a lifechanger in the truest sense of the word. But my frustrations with it have traced back to the way Apple keeps a lid on the device's capabilities through its iTunes-centric App Store ecosystem. And that's what I worry about with the iPad. The best critical article about the iPad that I've read is this one from Jeff Jarvis:

http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/04/04/ipad...umer-v-creator/

I agree with Jarvis, and I think Google's relative openness and lower price points will create more market share, and outstrip Apple's ability to keep up while still maintaining tight control on the platform. This is pretty much the same effect we saw in the late 80s when the first Macs, manufactured and tightly-controlled by Apple, duked it out with Microsoft/Wintel mutt PCs. The biggest difference between now and then is that Apple is sitting on almost as much cash as Google. It's shaping up to be a bare-knuckle street fight. But I think the advantage will go to Google because Apple clearly has a vested interest in keeping the traditional laptop and desktop alive. That's the real reason (IMO) why the iPad doesn't have an embedded USB port, and why the iPad iWork applications don't *quite* work as well as the ones in OSX do -- they don't want the iPad to compete too far upstream against their high-margin MacBooks. Google, on the other hand, has no walled garden to protect in the PC market -- they can focus their full attention on being disruptive. They're the Keyser Söze in this market at the moment. That's why I think they should buy Adobe and open-source Flash, but that's another long speech.

And one final thought in looking at the graph above -- isn't it weird that nowhere else in this long-winded post about the future of personal computing has Microsoft come up? The truth is that even though they have a well-regarded hit on their hands with Windows 7, Microsoft is increasingly becoming irrelevant to the consumer. They're deeply embedded in the enterprise, and will continue to hold that market for quite some time. But their mobile strategy is way behind the curve. Windows Phone 7 is a promising technology -- it's just several years late, and still not due to launch until the end of this year. And then there's the fact that the Windows 7 Phone's UI is based on Silverlight and not .NET. That's going to slow down another traditional strength of Microsoft -- the onslaught of the largest developer army in the world. Microsoft needs a visionary like Bill Gates to ride to their rescue, just like he did in 1995 with the "internet tidal wave" memo. And they need that yesterday. Without an executive call to set aside their byzantine organizational politics and get "all hands on deck" to push mobility, Microsoft is increasingly posed for mediocrity in the future.

Like always, technology is a disruptive force and the landscape is changing. That's where I see it going.

 
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I am not telling anyone to go out and buy an iPad - if it fits your budget - its a good toy. It does not fill a critical need, but I like it and find myself using it more than I thought I would. I assumed I would keep it at home, but I have used it in the office all week and prefer it to my lap top for many functions - e-mails and quick web searches (and posting at FBGs). It actually keeps my lap top cleaner in the sense that I only have work-related applications running on it.

I have no doubt that future generations of this product will be faster, more powerful, and have a lot more functionality. But, if it were not for early adopters - these features, functionality, apps, etc. would not be built. The naysayers need folks to consume these products, provide feedback, and create demand for newer and better. So wait if you prefer, but don't knock the folks who are kicking the tires and finding areas for improvement.

I have said it a few times in this thread, but it seems to get lost in the shuffle - I think apple will win this "war" for the tablet market not based on hardware or software, or even UI (at the end of the day all the products in the market will have pros and cons) - apple will win this based on its ability to provide easy access to content - just like it did with the iPod and iPhone.

But, for everyone who thinks this is a "useless" product, I suggest you take a look at the players who are lining up to get into this space. These are big name companies - and they sense an opportunity to move into this arena. It may be out of fear - everyone was late to capitalize on the iPod popularity (yes I know it was not first - but it was the most popular), companies moved a little faster to replicate the iphone - but even then they let apple set the standards. So I suspect we will see several similar products and interfaces by this time next year. These guys are not doing this just because Apple did it - they see a niche in the marketplace - even if you do not yet.

 
I got to play with one yesterday -- we picked one up for demo/office use at my workplace. It was pretty cool to use Citrix Receiver to remote desktop into servers using only this little disembodied screen. I'm sold on the form factor and I believe that devices like the iPad (and including the iPad) will be the biggest "expansion of the pie" the personal computer market has seen since the web exploded and then matured in the public's eye.

The sheer gravity of the web and the things you can do with it pretty much pulled everyone into it's orbit. The only groups left out were those who could not afford a personal computer and those who were not capable of learning how to use one.

The iPad and devices like it are the breakthrough platform that will eventually solve both of those problems. An embedded OS is very easy to use and requires minimal maintenance. It simplifies the use of the device for those who have never really used a computer. If you've never gotten used to traditional computing paradigms, replacing a mouse cursor with a touchscreen and a keyboard with a visual representation of one makes perfect sense.

On the other hand, those of us who are used to traditional computing interfaces will find the iPad (and devices like it) somewhat unnatural to use. This group will recognize the limitations of the embedded OS. But this group has shown that they are nothing if not adaptable, and the benefit of these devices will grow as the platform and technology matures.

And prices will come down substantially. Right now, the large IPS and OLED touchscreens in the iPad and smartphones are relatively very expensive and in limited supply. The SSD flash storage used in these devices is also in high demand. Once manufacturing economies of scale really kick in and undercut the pricing of these components, we'll see how low the price points can go. On the other hand, the clamshell netbook form factor with an electromechanical keyboard is already approaching its minimum manufacturing cost. The only way netbooks can get much "cheaper" is through increased capacity due to Moore's Law. But the tablets will see the same benefit from Moore's Law while also reaping the benefit of economies of scale. The only way the netbooks can possibly keep up is by reducing the cost of the OS.

And once Google's "less than free" pricing model kicks in with the arrival of the first few Android (and eventually ChromeOS) tablets, the margins in this segment will drop to zero quickly. They'll go negative eventually, just like the gaming console market has shown. Selling the device at a loss sets you, the content gatekeeper, up with a perpetual ad-based referral revenue stream. Google's strategy is to cut in the hardware manufacturer on that revenue stream -- effectively subsidizing the device to get as many units in the hands of consumers as possible.

And as the price points on tablets get cheaper, the market will continue expanding to include more of the folks who cannot currently afford personal computers. This will stoke further growth. And eventually, the ubiquity and maturity of these devices will make them more compelling even to those of us who prefer a "real computer". Within a couple of years, tablet computers with embedded OSes will take a big, wet bite out of the low-end and middle segment of the personal computing market.

So in the end, it really comes down to a question of who you prefer your gatekeeper to be. And that's what troubles me the most about the iPad, and has troubled me the most about my iPhone. I love the device -- it's been a lifechanger in the truest sense of the word. But my frustrations with it have traced back to the way Apple keeps a lid on the device's capabilities through its iTunes-centric App Store ecosystem. And that's what I worry about with the iPad. The best critical article about the iPad that I've read is this one from Jeff Jarvis:

http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/04/04/ipad...umer-v-creator/

I agree with Jarvis, and I think Google's relative openness and lower price points will create more market share, and outstrip Apple's ability to keep up while still maintaining tight control on the platform. This is pretty much the same effect we saw in the late 80s when the first Macs, manufactured and tightly-controlled by Apple, duked it out with Microsoft/Wintel mutt PCs. The biggest difference between now and then is that Apple is sitting on almost as much cash as Google. It's shaping up to be a bare-knuckle street fight. But I think the advantage will go to Google because Apple clearly has a vested interest in keeping the traditional laptop and desktop alive. That's the real reason (IMO) why the iPad doesn't have an embedded USB port, and why the iPad iWork applications don't *quite* work as well as the ones in OSX do -- they don't want the iPad to compete too far upstream against their high-margin MacBooks. Google, on the other hand, has no walled garden to protect in the PC market -- they can focus their full attention on being disruptive. They're the Keyser Söze in this market at the moment. That's why I think they should buy Adobe and open-source Flash, but that's another long speech.

And one final thought in looking at the graph above -- isn't it weird that nowhere else in this long-winded post about the future of personal computing has Microsoft come up? The truth is that even though they have a well-regarded hit on their hands with Windows 7, Microsoft is increasingly becoming irrelevant to the consumer. They're deeply embedded in the enterprise, and will continue to hold that market for quite some time. But their mobile strategy is way behind the curve. Windows Phone 7 is a promising technology -- it's just several years late, and still not due to launch until the end of this year. And then there's the fact that the Windows 7 Phone's UI is based on Silverlight and not .NET. That's going to slow down another traditional strength of Microsoft -- the onslaught of the largest developer army in the world. Microsoft needs a visionary like Bill Gates to ride to their rescue, just like he did in 1995 with the "internet tidal wave" memo. And they need that yesterday. Without an executive call to set aside their byzantine organizational politics and get "all hands on deck" to push mobility, Microsoft is increasingly posed for mediocrity in the future.

Like always, technology is a disruptive force and the landscape is changing. That's where I see it going.
Thanks Keith. The Google vs Apple battle on this is fascinating to me.

J

 
Of course they will be cheaper and faster in a year, Walt. Like everything else in this world.

Look, there's the guys who go to the moon first and then there's the guys down on earth watching those guys go to the moon.

This message sent from my iPad
We really do need that :swordfighter: smilie...

J

 
Seem like a cop out to me. The one i played with was simply a big ipod Touch.
That's the point zDragon. But as a bigger iPod Touch you can use a real eReader, browse the web better, use iWork, watch movies with a bigger screen, etc. iPad has a bigger screen and it is the applications making use of it that makes it great.If all you got out of it was "it's just a big ipod Touch" then you're really missing something.
 
Of course they will be cheaper and faster in a year, Walt. Like everything else in this world.

Look, there's the guys who go to the moon first and then there's the guys down on earth watching those guys go to the moon.

This message sent from my iPad
:wall: This hyperbole is what JB was talking about. iPad is not like going to the moon first. If anything, it's like going to the moon in a 777 instead of the smaller shuttle.
:confused: Tablet computing is nothing new, the iPad has more restrictions than its predecessors, it just has a nice UI.
The "restrictions" make it more streamlined, simple and just better. Lots of people these days don't want to be typing "c:\...". Fast, easy, dependable. No blue screens of death. Etc. These are some of the best things about the device.
 
got the small one yesterday...

and yes, in my opinion it's a big iTouch... apps need to get built for the thing.. just like the iphone/itouch...

but this for all intents will remove my use of a PC at home, for NON work issues.... once Joe and the guys build DD as a web app!!!

Itunes, is the only thing, other than XL, and a Browser that I use my XP latop for..

once office suites that use HTML5 as websites, the PC is all but gone.. does that mean Android won't have it's place? certainly it will.. just like there are toyotas and fords, and chevys

that's fine...

The pad, gets me on the web, makes reading easier than the iphone, and allows for more casual browsing than an laptop....

I do feel its about 100 overpriced.. but its apple, whats new?

 
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Videos - Do you find the one inch or so of borders to be an issue when watching video widescreen?
I'm not sure what you expect here. Either you have no concept of aspect ratios, or you expect electronic devices to stretch out to match whatever you're watching Jetsons style.
 
Is there some kind of way I could wear this as a necklace a la Flavor Flav? I would just leave the clock app open.

 
once office suites that use HTML5 as websites, the PC is all but gone.. does that mean Android won't have it's place? certainly it will.. just like there are toyotas and fords, and chevys
that's where google probably has an advantage. google docs.
 
Of course they will be cheaper and faster in a year, Walt. Like everything else in this world.

Look, there's the guys who go to the moon first and then there's the guys down on earth watching those guys go to the moon.

This message sent from my iPad
:rolleyes: This hyperbole is what JB was talking about. iPad is not like going to the moon first. If anything, it's like going to the moon in a 777 instead of the smaller shuttle.
:rolleyes: Tablet computing is nothing new, the iPad has more restrictions than its predecessors, it just has a nice UI.
The "restrictions" make it more streamlined, simple and just better. Lots of people these days don't want to be typing "c:\...". Fast, easy, dependable. No blue screens of death. Etc. These are some of the best things about the device.
That's a matter of opinion, as an advanced user I would benefit from separate USB and SD ports, the ability to replace the battery, the precision of being able to hook up a mouse, not being told what applications I can run (at what price).I will say the system on the chip seems to be paying off as the battery life is better than expected, I'd love to see how long the battery lasts during a stress test with an iPhone app like Hiarcs Chess which eats through my iPhone battery like no other app.

 
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That's why I think they should buy Adobe and open-source Flash, but that's another long speech.
I was talking with another developer this weekend (and I'm not one) and he basically said it would play out pretty much word for word like you said even down to this part.
 

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