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What's the deal with IM-ing on the ipad?

You don't have a phone number on the ipad to IM to, like the iphone.

Do they have a Yahoo Messenger app or something like that?

(not like you could keep it running all the time until multi-tasking is released).

Just wondering...

My 3G ipad probably won't arrive for another 2 or 3 weeks but it would

be great to start seeing a list of great iPad apps from folks who've had their's

for a few weeks.
you are confusing texting with instant messenger
duh. I am, I guess :lmao: so, until there is multi-tasking, I guess a really functional IM app (that can run all the time

in the background) doesn't exist yet?

(a quick search shows that there's a pretty slick AOL AIM app for free. looks pretty nice).

Once again, to try to get some actual use out of this sometimes-horrendous thread, any suggestions

for great iPad apps?

- This is one of the things that I used to sell the Mrs. on buying an iPad...

http://gizmodo.com/5507728/the-epicurious-...s-mouthwatering

- Playing with the iPad in the store, I really loved Labyrinth 2.

- to tie in with another thread in the FFA, looks like there is a free StumbleUpon app.
Actually if you have an iPhone, IM works pretty well with other apps, it just relies on push notification technology to send you like an alert, you can switch back to the conversation from the app you are currently using when you receive a new IM message.
 
Ned said:
Did you hear Norway was running their country with ipads??? :lmao:
But what about the certificates?! :own3d:
http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/04/16/ipad-...urity-concerns/



Three high-profile American universities, Cornell University, Princeton University, and George Washington University, have banned the iPad from their campuses. George Washington University and Princeton University call the device a “security risk,” while Cornell is concerned about students chewing through too much bandwidth. So much for the iPad being the darling of higher education.

The story, first reported in the Wall Street Journal, notes that the iPad is incompatible with certain security features of Cornell’s and GWU’s wireless network, something that’s not the case when you’re dealing with “regular” laptops and netbooks running full operating systems in Windows, Mac OS X, or Linux.

It isn’t a case of these universities “hating” the iPad, or unfairly singling it out, it’s just that it’s not compatible. Please put down your pitchforks, Apple fans.

All the schools are working on making sure the iPad works with their networks as soon as possible, maybe even in time for the beginning of the fall semester. These things—restructuring a large network—take quite a bit of time.

It’s not the first time that Apple products have had a hard time on college campuses. When the iPhone was first released, in 2007, Duke University couldn’t accommodate the sudden rush of Wi-Fi devices trying to connect to its network. As our very own Scott Merrill, of the Ohio State University IT department, tells me, people have to understand that the IT departments in many of these schools are run on shoe-string budgets (or close to it). They buy equipment—Wi-Fi access points and the like—with a certain number of computers and devices in mind, and then Apple (or any other company for that matter) releases a terribly popular product. All of a sudden, students have multiple Wi-Fi devices on their person at all times, and it’s simply too much for the network to handle.

A couple of years ago, how many Wi-Fi devices did you own? Maybe one laptop, right? Today you could be walking around with a netbook, iPhone, Zune HD, Nintendo DS or Sony PSP, you name it.

So, give these schools a minute or two to figure things out. It’s not as easy as flipping a light switch.

 
Ned said:
Did you hear Norway was running their country with ipads??? :eek:
But what about the certificates?! :doh:
http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/04/16/ipad-...urity-concerns/



Three high-profile American universities, Cornell University, Princeton University, and George Washington University, have banned the iPad from their campuses. George Washington University and Princeton University call the device a “security risk,” while Cornell is concerned about students chewing through too much bandwidth. So much for the iPad being the darling of higher education.

The story, first reported in the Wall Street Journal, notes that the iPad is incompatible with certain security features of Cornell’s and GWU’s wireless network, something that’s not the case when you’re dealing with “regular” laptops and netbooks running full operating systems in Windows, Mac OS X, or Linux.

It isn’t a case of these universities “hating” the iPad, or unfairly singling it out, it’s just that it’s not compatible. Please put down your pitchforks, Apple fans.

All the schools are working on making sure the iPad works with their networks as soon as possible, maybe even in time for the beginning of the fall semester. These things—restructuring a large network—take quite a bit of time.

It’s not the first time that Apple products have had a hard time on college campuses. When the iPhone was first released, in 2007, Duke University couldn’t accommodate the sudden rush of Wi-Fi devices trying to connect to its network. As our very own Scott Merrill, of the Ohio State University IT department, tells me, people have to understand that the IT departments in many of these schools are run on shoe-string budgets (or close to it). They buy equipment—Wi-Fi access points and the like—with a certain number of computers and devices in mind, and then Apple (or any other company for that matter) releases a terribly popular product. All of a sudden, students have multiple Wi-Fi devices on their person at all times, and it’s simply too much for the network to handle.

A couple of years ago, how many Wi-Fi devices did you own? Maybe one laptop, right? Today you could be walking around with a netbook, iPhone, Zune HD, Nintendo DS or Sony PSP, you name it.

So, give these schools a minute or two to figure things out. It’s not as easy as flipping a light switch.
Princeton hasn't "banned the iPad from campus"; they have blocked eight individual iPads (out of the 41 iPads on the campus network as of April 15), due to not renewing DHCP leases.Link

:lmao:

 
Ned said:
Did you hear Norway was running their country with ipads??? :eek:
But what about the certificates?! :doh:
http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/04/16/ipad-...urity-concerns/



Three high-profile American universities, Cornell University, Princeton University, and George Washington University, have banned the iPad from their campuses. George Washington University and Princeton University call the device a “security risk,” while Cornell is concerned about students chewing through too much bandwidth. So much for the iPad being the darling of higher education.

The story, first reported in the Wall Street Journal, notes that the iPad is incompatible with certain security features of Cornell’s and GWU’s wireless network, something that’s not the case when you’re dealing with “regular” laptops and netbooks running full operating systems in Windows, Mac OS X, or Linux.

It isn’t a case of these universities “hating” the iPad, or unfairly singling it out, it’s just that it’s not compatible. Please put down your pitchforks, Apple fans.

All the schools are working on making sure the iPad works with their networks as soon as possible, maybe even in time for the beginning of the fall semester. These things—restructuring a large network—take quite a bit of time.

It’s not the first time that Apple products have had a hard time on college campuses. When the iPhone was first released, in 2007, Duke University couldn’t accommodate the sudden rush of Wi-Fi devices trying to connect to its network. As our very own Scott Merrill, of the Ohio State University IT department, tells me, people have to understand that the IT departments in many of these schools are run on shoe-string budgets (or close to it). They buy equipment—Wi-Fi access points and the like—with a certain number of computers and devices in mind, and then Apple (or any other company for that matter) releases a terribly popular product. All of a sudden, students have multiple Wi-Fi devices on their person at all times, and it’s simply too much for the network to handle.

A couple of years ago, how many Wi-Fi devices did you own? Maybe one laptop, right? Today you could be walking around with a netbook, iPhone, Zune HD, Nintendo DS or Sony PSP, you name it.

So, give these schools a minute or two to figure things out. It’s not as easy as flipping a light switch.
We both know there are no security concerns with the device.The guy who brought up the certificate issues clearly has lost his mind. (Even though he does PKI for a living)

 
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Thread summation?
Guy buys a new computer device and starts a thread to discuss it with others who have bought it and/or are interested in buying it. A bunch of dudes who hate said electronic device come in and pee all over the place with vigor and might. Some are pretty serious and start taking it personal. Pretty typical shark pool thread.
 
safariplanet said:
Thread summation?
Otis buys an enlarged iPod and starts a thread to discuss it's life altering capabilities. A few dudes come in to question the hype expressed by Otis and several others. Otis gets offended and in typical fashion attempts to mock detractors with large font, italicsand lots of !!!!!1!!!11!!Pretty typical Otis thread.

 
proninja said:
Pretty much all of you should be ashamed of yourself for this thread getting to be this long. It's a big iPod touch. Some people like it. Some don't. /thread
Due to the screen size, it a bit more than a touch, but yeah this thread is has gotten a bit silly. Technology improves, you tools. Just thought I'd point that out to youse all.

 
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Otis said:
safariplanet said:
Thread summation?
Guy buys a new computer device and starts a thread to discuss it with others who have bought it and/or are interested in buying it. A bunch of dudes who hate said electronic device come in and pee all over the place with vigor and might. Some are pretty serious and start taking it personal. Pretty typical shark pool thread.
safariplanet said:
Thread summation?
Otis buys an enlarged iPod and starts a thread to discuss it's life altering capabilities. A few dudes come in to question the hype expressed by Otis and several others. Otis gets offended and in typical fashion attempts to mock detractors with large font, italicsand lots of !!!!!1!!!11!!Pretty typical Otis thread.
:goodposting: That does it. I'm reading through this entire thread tomorrow.

 
Thread summation?
Otis buys an enlarged iPod and starts a thread to discuss it's life altering capabilities. A few dudes come in to question the hype expressed by Otis and several others. Otis gets offended and in typical fashion attempts to mock detractors with large font, italicsand lots of !!!!!1!!!11!!Pretty typical Otis thread.
thats just due to the sensitive apple keyboard.
 
Thread summation?
Guy buys a new computer device and starts a thread to discuss it with others who have bought it and/or are interested in buying it. A bunch of dudes who hate said electronic device come in and pee all over the place with vigor and might. Some are pretty serious and start taking it personal. Pretty typical shark pool thread.
Yeah, the FFA is usually a good place to get info and reviews on new devices and such. Not with this one though; the haters have ruined the thread.
 
MAGICAL UPDATE

This thing follows me around all the time at home. When we're watching TV on the couch, and the Mrs. is either on her laptop or iphone doing facebook etc., I surf on this. I used to sit at the iMac on the desktop, but it's a whole lot more comfortable at the end of a long day to grab a drink, sit over on the sectional, feet up on the ottoman, and lounge. When me and the Mrs. go to bed, she reads and then hits the hay, but the O is a later sleeper/riser, so on the iPad I do some reading, surfing, e-mail watch some TV on the ABC app (started watching that V show, which is pretty terrible, but I'm still hooked, probably based on nostalgia). It's a great device for lounging and for the bed. Pandora is a great app to throw on for some spontaneous background music -- the speakers obviously aren't fantastic, but are passable. Also loving the WhiteNoise app for sleep. Not having 3G hasn't been a major issue during the week, since I'm only using it at home where I have wifi

or on the subway where there's no 3G anyway. Battery lasts forever. I commuted to work and back yesterday, listening to music the whole time and doing a little reading. Got home and the battery was still literally at 100%. I think its the wifi that chews up most of the battery life. Many people who play with it seem to want one. Multitouch is so awesome. It makes navigating web sites a nice experience. Everything works smoothly.

My gripes: it's sort of big to tote back and forth to work -- although I usually carry a messenger bag anyway, it's sort of clumsy running my headphones to it and manipulating it when it's in my bag. I guess this is the trade-off -- something half the size would be perfect for that commute, but wouldn't be nearly as good for surfing/browsing/lounging on. The fingerprints are still uber annoying. I think I saw a very minor scratch in the screen last night. Will need to inspect more closely. Also slightly heavier than I'd prefer. The ideal device will be a half pound less. The technology will be there eventually. Screen can be too bright -- can only dim it to a certain level, and even that feels almost too bright for a dark room. I've had the NYTimes app crash a couple times.

That's all I got for now. Still exploring all the apps and features. Also, I haven't yet tried to pump images out from the VGA adapter, but I think I read somewhere that you can only do that through certain apps (like Keynote for presentations). I wonder if I can beam out movies? Internet?

Given the amount I use it, I'd say so far it was a good purchase. We'll see if I'm still relying on it in a couple months.

 
The entire nation of Israel has banned the iPad because of problems the country has with the Wi-Fi connection it uses. Visitors bringing an iPad to the country must impound the device for a daily fee until they leave or pay to send it back home.

 
Also loving the WhiteNoise app for sleep.
I got this for the iPhone a while back, and for whatever reason every night that I fell asleep listening to it, I had horrible nightmares. I eventually had to delete the app, but if you aren't plagued with inexplicable nightmares it's definitely cool.
 
MAGICAL UPDATE

This thing follows me around all the time at home. When we're watching TV on the couch, and the Mrs. is either on her laptop or iphone doing facebook etc., I surf on this. I used to sit at the iMac on the desktop, but it's a whole lot more comfortable at the end of a long day to grab a drink, sit over on the sectional, feet up on the ottoman, and lounge. When me and the Mrs. go to bed, she reads and then hits the hay, but the O is a later sleeper/riser, so on the iPad I do some reading, surfing, e-mail watch some TV on the ABC app (started watching that V show, which is pretty terrible, but I'm still hooked, probably based on nostalgia). It's a great device for lounging and for the bed. Pandora is a great app to throw on for some spontaneous background music -- the speakers obviously aren't fantastic, but are passable. Also loving the WhiteNoise app for sleep. Not having 3G hasn't been a major issue during the week, since I'm only using it at home where I have wifi

or on the subway where there's no 3G anyway. Battery lasts forever. I commuted to work and back yesterday, listening to music the whole time and doing a little reading. Got home and the battery was still literally at 100%. I think its the wifi that chews up most of the battery life. Many people who play with it seem to want one. Multitouch is so awesome. It makes navigating web sites a nice experience. Everything works smoothly.

My gripes: it's sort of big to tote back and forth to work -- although I usually carry a messenger bag anyway, it's sort of clumsy running my headphones to it and manipulating it when it's in my bag. I guess this is the trade-off -- something half the size would be perfect for that commute, but wouldn't be nearly as good for surfing/browsing/lounging on. The fingerprints are still uber annoying. I think I saw a very minor scratch in the screen last night. Will need to inspect more closely. Also slightly heavier than I'd prefer. The ideal device will be a half pound less. The technology will be there eventually. Screen can be too bright -- can only dim it to a certain level, and even that feels almost too bright for a dark room. I've had the NYTimes app crash a couple times.

That's all I got for now. Still exploring all the apps and features. Also, I haven't yet tried to pump images out from the VGA adapter, but I think I read somewhere that you can only do that through certain apps (like Keynote for presentations). I wonder if I can beam out movies? Internet?

Given the amount I use it, I'd say so far it was a good purchase. We'll see if I'm still relying on it in a couple months.
If the rumors are true Apple is working on a device between the size of the iPhone and iPad. Very interested in that model if it sees the light of day.
 
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MAGICAL UPDATE

I commuted to work and back yesterday, listening to music the whole time and doing a little reading. Got home and the battery was still literally at 100%.
Self charging battery! That is magical. :lmao: Thanks for the relatively neutral review. :goodposting:

 
There's a rumor (which I don't really buy) that there's another 5" to 7" ipad version in the works. This really didn't make sense because at 5" you're getting close to cell phone screen sizes.

A 7" ipad tho might be interesting. More portable than the current one but I think you lose some of the experience. I don't how you'd rework the screen resolution on current apps tho. This is probably a BS rumor anyways.

 
There's a rumor (which I don't really buy) that there's another 5" to 7" ipad version in the works. This really didn't make sense because at 5" you're getting close to cell phone screen sizes.A 7" ipad tho might be interesting. More portable than the current one but I think you lose some of the experience. I don't how you'd rework the screen resolution on current apps tho. This is probably a BS rumor anyways.
I'm calling BS on it. I don't think Apple wants a bunch of different sizes for various reasons. One, IMO the biggest, is that Apps (which in some ways drive iPhone/iPad sales) would need to be remade/resized for each size. So if a 7" came out, developers have to yet again remake apps optimized for that size. Android has that problem as the Nexus One can't use every Android App out there.
 
There's a rumor (which I don't really buy) that there's another 5" to 7" ipad version in the works. This really didn't make sense because at 5" you're getting close to cell phone screen sizes.

A 7" ipad tho might be interesting. More portable than the current one but I think you lose some of the experience. I don't how you'd rework the screen resolution on current apps tho. This is probably a BS rumor anyways.
I'm calling BS on it. I don't think Apple wants a bunch of different sizes for various reasons. One, IMO the biggest, is that Apps (which in some ways drive iPhone/iPad sales) would need to be remade/resized for each size. So if a 7" came out, developers have to yet again remake apps optimized for that size. Android has that problem as the Nexus One can't use every Android App out there.
Which brings more $$$ into Jobs pocket...yea why would Apple want to do THAT!
 
Live Notes from Apple's earnings call

http://blogs.forbes.com/velocity/2010/04/2...-earnings-call/

3:00 Pacific: That's it. Call's over.

2:55 Pacific: Apple won't say much about new products. Oppenheimer: "Let me reiterate we are very confident in our new product pipeline and are very excited about the coming months." That could mean a lot of things. There's no reason to think -- yet -- we'll see much going forward this year outside of the usual cycle of new iPhones in June, and new iPods in September.

2:53 Pacific: Will anyone ask about the iPhone prototype that gadget blog Gizmodo got its hands on this week? No questions about that yet. Hmmmm...

2:51 Pacific: Going forward, Apple will report the iPad like the iPhone, as a line item on Apple's data summary, Oppenheimer says.

2:50 Pacific: Katie Huberty, from Morgan Stanley, asks if Apple will "get more aggressive," with carriers to lower costs of phones and service plans. Cook: "When we dropped the subsidized price of the phone to $99 last year we were actually surprised that the mix to the 3GS was very very high and as you know that starts at $199... Price is important in the device, but there are other things that people want, such as an extremely innovative product, and all the apps, and the great OS." Translation: don't expect free iPhones anytime soon.

2:45 Pacific: Apple Chief Operating Officer Tim Cook still has nothing nice to say about netbooks. "To me it's a no brainer. [The] iPad Netbook [score] is sort of 100 to zero, i can't think of a single thing that the netbook does well... I'm personally addicted to mine and couldn't live without it."

2:42 Pacific: Mike Abramsky, is the iPad cannibalizing netbooks? iPods? Macs? Cook: "although we announced the iPad in January, there was nothing obvious in the iPod numbers of the Mac numbers to suggest cannibalization."

2:40 Pacific: AppleTV? Still the runt of the litter. Units were up year-over-year, but overall unit sales are still small. Still classified as a hobby, Cook says in response to a question from Brian Marshall, Broadpoint AmTech. "However a number of us love the product, use the product, and continue to think something interesting is there and continue to invest in it," Cook says. Translation: we're not pulling the plug on it yet.

2:35 Pacific: Apple will open two stores in Shanghai this summer. Will have 20 stores in China by end of calendar 2011.

2:35 Pacific: Richard Gardner, Citigroup asks what factors might help Apple's gross margins during the current quarter. Oppenheimer: "don't really consider component pricing to be a headwind or a tailwind... what' we think is going to occur in the June quarter is we've introduced a new product... we've been v. aggressive and to take adv. of our first mover opportunity here, and we've got some other transitions, a stronger dollar.. that's what's really gone into our thinking on gross margins."

2:30 Pacific: Cook says easing away from exclusive deals with carriers, outside of the United States, has done well for Apple. "Over the past year we've moved a number of markets from exlusive to non-exclusive, in each case we've seen our market share and number of units sold improved... that's our results we've seen so far, but we think very carefully about each of these at the country level to conclude what's in our best interests."

2:27 Pacific: Toni Sacconaghi, with Sanford Bernstein asks if Apple can quantify how much of the iPhone's year-over-year growth came from new carriers. "We don't break it out at that level of detail," Cook says. "Out of the 151 carriers at the country level, it's a good number but not a significant number, so obv. the existing carriers performed very well in addition to the adds." Bill Shope, Credit Suisse. Talk about ATT's network. "They've clearly made big strides in some areas... I think it will continue," Cook says.

2:25 Pacific: How's that app store going, Shannon Cross of Cross Research asks. Oppenheimer: "we have seen well over 4 billion downloads... over 3500 apps for the iPad alone." Also: what about your production capacity, Cross asks. "There's not a production problem, per se, but there's a good kind of issue in that demand in the U.S. was much much stronger than we predicted, so we had to push out the International launch... so we are adding capability and we'll see where this thing goes, but it has shocked us, the level of demand, at least initially, we'll see what happens from here."

2:21 Pacific: Ben Reitzes of Barclays asks: the iPhone number was "frankly staggering." Why? Cook: iPhone units in Asia Pacific grew 477% year over year. Europe grew $133%. "Some of this was led by adding eight carriers in some key countries, for example Vodaphone in the UK and Ireland," Cook says. For the first half of the fiscal year Apple just completed, revenue from greater China was almost $1.3 billion, up over 200% year-over-year.

2:19 Pacific: Ben Reitzes of Barclays asks if there's a transition coming up with the iPhone that explains why Apple is guiding down sequentially. Translation: tell us about the new iPhone. Oppenheimer doesn't take the bait, says lower average selling prices, a strong dollar, and product transitions account for the guidance, among other factors.

2:15 Pacific: Will the iPad cannibalize sales of Macs and iPads? Gene Munster from Piper Jaffray asks. Apple Chief Operating Officer Tim Cook: "In our view the last quarter there was no obvious impact on the mac of the iPod, but you can look at the numbers and judge for yourself... [in the current quarter] we don't have enough experience to come up with a judgement."

2:13 Pacific: Oppenheimer argues Apple's margins for the current quarter will dip, in part thanks to aggressive pricing on the iPad. Also: a strong dollar, a Mac portable transition, a mysterious "product transition," ... likely the iPhone. Take with a grain of salt: Apple's guidance is typically conservative. Apple has $41.7 billion in cash. Gross margin was 41.7%, well above guidance. Oppenheimer credits a stronger product mix, lower costs, and "fixed cost leverage from higher than expected revenues."

2:10 Pacific: Mac sales: Apple sold 2.94 million Macs during the quarter, up 33% from the year-ago quarter. 10.94 million iPods sold, roughly equal to year-ago quarter. That's well ahead of expectations. iTunes store delivered sales of $1.2 billion. 8.75 million iPhones sold during the quarter, an "all-time high," and better than the preceding holiday quarter, according to Oppenheimer. No hard numbers on iPad sales, but Oppenheimer says Apple "on track" to begin selling 3G version at end of this month.

2:02 Pacific: Oppenheimer begins with canned remarks. iPhone revenues doubled. Mac sales strong. Hence best non-holiday quarter ever.

2:01 Pacific: Conference call begins. Chief Financial Officer Peter Oppenheimer and Chief Operating Officer Tim Cook are on the call, as usual.

1:56 Pacific: Apple shares up $16.32, or 6.67%, to $260.91 in after-hours trading.

Guidance: Apple's guidance is typically conservative. From Apple's earnings release:

“Looking ahead to the third fiscal quarter of 2010, we expect revenue in the range of about $13.0 billion to $13.4 billion and we expect diluted earnings per share in the range of about $2.28 to $2.39,” said Peter Oppenheimer, Apple’s CFO.

The numbers are in. Apple easily beat expectations. Apple reported quarterly earnings of $3.07 billion, or $3.33 per share, compared to earnings of $1.6 billion, or $1.79 per share during the year-ago period. That's well above the consensus target of $2.45 per share. Sales came in $13.5 billlion, well above the target of $12 billion. Gross margin was 41.7%, higher than the 39.9% Apple reported in the year-ago quarter.

 
MAGICAL UPDATEThis thing follows me around all the time at home. When we're watching TV on the couch, and the Mrs. is either on her laptop or iphone doing facebook etc., I surf on this. I used to sit at the iMac on the desktop, but it's a whole lot more comfortable at the end of a long day to grab a drink, sit over on the sectional, feet up on the ottoman, and lounge. When me and the Mrs. go to bed, she reads and then hits the hay, but the O is a later sleeper/riser, so on the iPad I do some reading, surfing, e-mail watch some TV on the ABC app (started watching that V show, which is pretty terrible, but I'm still hooked, probably based on nostalgia). It's a great device for lounging and for the bed. Pandora is a great app to throw on for some spontaneous background music -- the speakers obviously aren't fantastic, but are passable. Also loving the WhiteNoise app for sleep. Not having 3G hasn't been a major issue during the week, since I'm only using it at home where I have wifior on the subway where there's no 3G anyway. Battery lasts forever. I commuted to work and back yesterday, listening to music the whole time and doing a little reading. Got home and the battery was still literally at 100%. I think its the wifi that chews up most of the battery life. Many people who play with it seem to want one. Multitouch is so awesome. It makes navigating web sites a nice experience. Everything works smoothly. My gripes: it's sort of big to tote back and forth to work -- although I usually carry a messenger bag anyway, it's sort of clumsy running my headphones to it and manipulating it when it's in my bag. I guess this is the trade-off -- something half the size would be perfect for that commute, but wouldn't be nearly as good for surfing/browsing/lounging on. The fingerprints are still uber annoying. I think I saw a very minor scratch in the screen last night. Will need to inspect more closely. Also slightly heavier than I'd prefer. The ideal device will be a half pound less. The technology will be there eventually. Screen can be too bright -- can only dim it to a certain level, and even that feels almost too bright for a dark room. I've had the NYTimes app crash a couple times. That's all I got for now. Still exploring all the apps and features. Also, I haven't yet tried to pump images out from the VGA adapter, but I think I read somewhere that you can only do that through certain apps (like Keynote for presentations). I wonder if I can beam out movies? Internet? Given the amount I use it, I'd say so far it was a good purchase. We'll see if I'm still relying on it in a couple months.
:thumbdown: Good review - did you type up this post on it?
 
I am stunned that nobody has published the latest news from adobe. Stunned.
The news that Adobe is ditching efforts to port Flash to the iPhone/iPad?Here's what I don't get with that whole thing. Yes, I guess it's annoying if you're a user and like websites that are Flash-based. And Adobe is claiming that Apple is trying to tie developers to "Apple's standards." But, as Apple aptly stated:

Someone has it backwards–it is HTML5, CSS, JavaScript, and H.264 (all supported by the iPhone and iPad) that are open and standard, while Adobe’s Flash is closed and proprietary,” an Apple spokeswoman said in a statement provided to CNET.

So it's like "Apple you suck because you want everything to be proprietary and refuse to accept Flash," when Flash is proprietary and HTML5 is the open standard. What am I missing here?

Also, the bottom line for me about this Flash complaint is pretty simple: if you don't like it, nobody is forcing you to buy the iPad or iPhone. The sales reports yesterday were absolutely ridiculous on the numbers of iPhones sold. And they sold half a million iPads in the first week. Apple probably isn't too concerned about losing the flash nerds' business...

It's their product. They can do what they want.

 
I am stunned that nobody has published the latest news from adobe. Stunned.
The news that Adobe is ditching efforts to port Flash to the iPhone/iPad?Here's what I don't get with that whole thing. Yes, I guess it's annoying if you're a user and like websites that are Flash-based. And Adobe is claiming that Apple is trying to tie developers to "Apple's standards." But, as Apple aptly stated:

Someone has it backwards–it is HTML5, CSS, JavaScript, and H.264 (all supported by the iPhone and iPad) that are open and standard, while Adobe’s Flash is closed and proprietary,” an Apple spokeswoman said in a statement provided to CNET.

So it's like "Apple you suck because you want everything to be proprietary and refuse to accept Flash," when Flash is proprietary and HTML5 is the open standard. What am I missing here?

Also, the bottom line for me about this Flash complaint is pretty simple: if you don't like it, nobody is forcing you to buy the iPad or iPhone. The sales reports yesterday were absolutely ridiculous on the numbers of iPhones sold. And they sold half a million iPads in the first week. Apple probably isn't too concerned about losing the flash nerds' business...

It's their product. They can do what they want.
I think the characterization of Flash as closed and proprietary is somewhat a mis-characterization. The reality is Flash requires a takeover of parts of the processor Apple has no interest in letting it have in mobile form. For whatever reason it's fine for MacOS based machines. I think the real concern is the ability for flash to deliver games and content that Apple would have no control of, not the proprietary nature of it all. It would be fairly easy to implement pr0n on flash for a non jailbroken ipad thru flash based programs. Though this has been well covered here and elsewhere.
 
I think the characterization of Flash as closed and proprietary is somewhat a mis-characterization. The reality is Flash requires a takeover of parts of the processor Apple has no interest in letting it have in mobile form. For whatever reason it's fine for MacOS based machines. I think the real concern is the ability for flash to deliver games and content that Apple would have no control of, not the proprietary nature of it all. It would be fairly easy to implement pr0n on flash for a non jailbroken ipad thru flash based programs. Though this has been well covered here and elsewhere.
Maybe those are Apple's motives, but the prevailing complaint is that Apple is trying to maintain a closed proprietary system. How is calling Flash "proprietary" "somewhat a mis-characterization"? Maybe I haven't read enough about it, but isn't this an Adobe-created and maintained technology? There's no standards setting body involved, right? And I'm guessing they license it out (at least the development tools)? If all of that is true, it's just funny to me that Apple is the proprietary bad guy and Adobe the good guy here, when Apple's devices support all the open standards.
 
I think the characterization of Flash as closed and proprietary is somewhat a mis-characterization. The reality is Flash requires a takeover of parts of the processor Apple has no interest in letting it have in mobile form. For whatever reason it's fine for MacOS based machines. I think the real concern is the ability for flash to deliver games and content that Apple would have no control of, not the proprietary nature of it all. It would be fairly easy to implement pr0n on flash for a non jailbroken ipad thru flash based programs. Though this has been well covered here and elsewhere.
Maybe those are Apple's motives, but the prevailing complaint is that Apple is trying to maintain a closed proprietary system. How is calling Flash "proprietary" "somewhat a mis-characterization"? Maybe I haven't read enough about it, but isn't this an Adobe-created and maintained technology? There's no standards setting body involved, right? And I'm guessing they license it out (at least the development tools)? If all of that is true, it's just funny to me that Apple is the proprietary bad guy and Adobe the good guy here, when Apple's devices support all the open standards.
The issue isn't that flash is proprietary. Even open source flash would be unacceptable to Apple due to the S/W needs and security concerns. Apple has done a good job painting this issue in a different way, and done it in a diplomatic manner enough to not destroy the hand that feeds them which are the dev guys on the core adobe products. It is, if nothing else, a nice test case for hardware/software rights.
 
The issue isn't that flash is proprietary. Even open source flash would be unacceptable to Apple due to the S/W needs and security concerns.
How do you know that? If Adobe were an open platform that were fleshed out and approved by a standards body and accepted by the open software community, maybe they WOULD allow it? HTML5 allows for the same types of animations/applications, and Apple doesn't seem to have a problem with supporting HTML5, right? Basically, the only person this hurts is Adobe. That's ok by me.
 
I am stunned that nobody has published the latest news from adobe. Stunned.
The news that Adobe is ditching efforts to port Flash to the iPhone/iPad?Here's what I don't get with that whole thing. Yes, I guess it's annoying if you're a user and like websites that are Flash-based. And Adobe is claiming that Apple is trying to tie developers to "Apple's standards." But, as Apple aptly stated:

Someone has it backwards–it is HTML5, CSS, JavaScript, and H.264 (all supported by the iPhone and iPad) that are open and standard, while Adobe’s Flash is closed and proprietary,” an Apple spokeswoman said in a statement provided to CNET.

So it's like "Apple you suck because you want everything to be proprietary and refuse to accept Flash," when Flash is proprietary and HTML5 is the open standard. What am I missing here?

Also, the bottom line for me about this Flash complaint is pretty simple: if you don't like it, nobody is forcing you to buy the iPad or iPhone. The sales reports yesterday were absolutely ridiculous on the numbers of iPhones sold. And they sold half a million iPads in the first week. Apple probably isn't too concerned about losing the flash nerds' business...

It's their product. They can do what they want.
FWIW....this is becoming just like the IE fights MS had. Your contention was MS's contention. MS lost miserably. I tend to agree with you guys. The next step will be for Adobe to assert that the "hooks" into Apple via HTMLS, CSS etc are not adequate enough to compete with Apple's intimate knowledge of their own product, resulting in an "unfair advantage" for Apple. None of these methodologies into Apple are 100% open.
 

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