iPad (2 Viewers)

[Otis]

lord almighty.Why do I keep coming back into this thread thinking some actual information about the iPad is being shared?Will you guys PLEASE start your own thread and, Otis, stop being The Lawyer and feel the need to respond toevery single little post. For all the good iPad info you've posted, you've posted twice as much crap.this is for me, I guess...

Someone here's gotta be on dooch patrol. It's a sad and lowly job, but I'm here for the people.And I'm one of the handful of people who've posted anything constructive and/or informative in here. I'd rather the whole thread be about that. Others disagree.

 

[3C's]

lord almighty.

Why do I keep coming back into this thread thinking some actual information about the iPad is being shared?

Will you guys PLEASE start your own thread and, Otis, stop being The Lawyer and feel the need to respond to

every single little post. For all the good iPad info you've posted, you've posted twice as much crap.

this is for me, I guess...

Someone here's gotta be on dooch patrol. It's a sad and lowly job, but I'm here for the people.And I'm one of the handful of people who've posted anything constructive and/or informative in here. I'd rather the whole thread be about that. Others disagree.

You're just the dooch needed for the job. I'm done. Just had to point out your errors. Hopefully will get to play on an iPad soon and report back. Almost bought one for my wife for Mothers Day but she forbade me from buying anything for "another Hallmark holiday."

 

[Abraham]

I have been trying to barker my wares on Craigslist in the last week and can't get a bite on ANYTHING. I'm moving to eBay next to maybe get some loot for an iPDa.

 

[Otis]

lord almighty.

Why do I keep coming back into this thread thinking some actual information about the iPad is being shared?

Will you guys PLEASE start your own thread and, Otis, stop being The Lawyer and feel the need to respond to

every single little post. For all the good iPad info you've posted, you've posted twice as much crap.

this is for me, I guess...

Someone here's gotta be on dooch patrol. It's a sad and lowly job, but I'm here for the people.And I'm one of the handful of people who've posted anything constructive and/or informative in here. I'd rather the whole thread be about that. Others disagree.

You're just the dooch needed for the job. I'm done. Just had to point out your errors. Hopefully will get to play on an iPad soon and report back. Almost bought one for my wife for Mothers Day but she forbade me from buying anything for "another Hallmark holiday."

Well, you didn't, but I guess thanks for trying to keep me in check?Hopefully you get one in the family, and then feel compelled to come in and contribute to substance. I'd honestly welcome that and -- truthfully here -- particularly if you really are a guy in his 50s with 25+ years industry experience in IT. Would be helpful to have your views on things.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Back to discussing the ipad...

I finally got to actually handle one at Best Buy and I really saw no difference other than size between the ipad and itouch. Granted I only messed with it for a few minutes but I did not see anything worthy of making the purchase. One thing that did notice was the heavy pixelation of the apps. I am going to assume the ones on this ipad were iphone apps?

 

[3C's]

Hopefully you get one in the family, and then feel compelled to come in and contribute to substance. I'd honestly welcome that and -- truthfully here -- particularly if you really are a guy in his 50s with 25+ years industry experience in IT. Would be helpful to have your views on things.

Good chance. Wife likes to read books, very light surfing and check email. I gave her a laptop but I think she'd way prefer something like this. Was previously leaning towards something like a Kindle but if book reading on this is pretty good then I think it has to be better than a Kindle due to the other things it can do.Super nerd buddy got one. I'll be checking his out soon.

 

[LokiKx]

Of course I don't. I've worked for 25 years in "tech" for 5 different Fortune 500 companies (that does show success, right?) and none of them were sued every month or every year.

Ever notice how it's always the "tech professionals" that are the biggest Apple bashers? This is a pattern I've noticed in the real world and it plays out here on the web. Seems to me you guys have so much invested in being the PC know-it-all's you are actually threatened by Apple's success. Sure, you'll immediately dismiss this thought with a series of 'laughing smilies' posts, but I think I'm on to something here.

So why would a PC tech not be able to work on an Apple PC? Because it's magical and they don't know the spells?

 

[LokiKx]

And I don't need to know patent law to know the companies I've worked for were not sued every month. Sorry that's so difficult for you to grasp.

You monitor every patent lawsuit filed against your companies? Every big high tech company with successful products is regularly sued in patent cases in the US. You haven't told us where you work (though you've tried desperately to let us know they were FORTUNE 2501!111 companies, and that you make a lot of money), but Apple isn't the only tech company regularly sued for patent infringement. If you think a patent infringement suit suggests that Apple is a "thief," or still didn't contribute some innovation in its products (including in multitouch), then you ought to include in your list of thieves:Sony, Dell, Microsoft, HP, Samsung, Motorola, AT&T, Nokia, Panasonic, LG, Verizon, Toshiba, Google, Cisco, Fujitsu, IBM, Intel, RIM and HTC, because they are all constantly being sued in patent cases. Constantly.

But I know, you do some database admin or somesuch nonsense, so they would have told you if the company were being sued in a patent case, so this must be totally false.

Provide a list of cases against IBM listed by Month would be nice.

 

[LokiKx]

Hopefully you get one in the family, and then feel compelled to come in and contribute to substance. I'd honestly welcome that and -- truthfully here -- particularly if you really are a guy in his 50s with 25+ years industry experience in IT. Would be helpful to have your views on things.

Good chance. Wife likes to read books, very light surfing and check email. I gave her a laptop but I think she'd way prefer something like this. Was previously leaning towards something like a Kindle but if book reading on this is pretty good then I think it has to be better than a Kindle due to the other things it can do.Super nerd buddy got one. I'll be checking his out soon.

Considering you already have a laptop for e-mail/light surfing.If your getting it for reading Novels and you read on the go then I would still recommend a dedicated e-reader. Much easier to carry around the smaller e-readers and you get better in the sun reading performance. If your an indoor only reader and Novels then the extended features of the iPad could be useful.If you are going to being reading technical docs or a lot of PDF type material then I would look at the iPad over an e-reader.Just remember your talking about a big difference in price. I just bought my son a Sony Prs300 for 169 at Target.

 

[the moops]

And I don't need to know patent law to know the companies I've worked for were not sued every month. Sorry that's so difficult for you to grasp.

You monitor every patent lawsuit filed against your companies? Every big high tech company with successful products is regularly sued in patent cases in the US. You haven't told us where you work (though you've tried desperately to let us know they were FORTUNE 2501!111 companies, and that you make a lot of money), but Apple isn't the only tech company regularly sued for patent infringement. If you think a patent infringement suit suggests that Apple is a "thief," or still didn't contribute some innovation in its products (including in multitouch), then you ought to include in your list of thieves:Sony, Dell, Microsoft, HP, Samsung, Motorola, AT&T, Nokia, Panasonic, LG, Verizon, Toshiba, Google, Cisco, Fujitsu, IBM, Intel, RIM and HTC, because they are all constantly being sued in patent cases. Constantly.

But I know, you do some database admin or somesuch nonsense, so they would have told you if the company were being sued in a patent case, so this must be totally false.

Provide a list of cases against IBM listed by Month would be nice.

IBM has been the world's leader in patents issued for 2 decades.I would guessk that there have been 100s, if not thousands of infrgingement cases brought against them over that timeframe.

 

[LokiKx]

And I don't need to know patent law to know the companies I've worked for were not sued every month. Sorry that's so difficult for you to grasp.

You monitor every patent lawsuit filed against your companies? Every big high tech company with successful products is regularly sued in patent cases in the US. You haven't told us where you work (though you've tried desperately to let us know they were FORTUNE 2501!111 companies, and that you make a lot of money), but Apple isn't the only tech company regularly sued for patent infringement. If you think a patent infringement suit suggests that Apple is a "thief," or still didn't contribute some innovation in its products (including in multitouch), then you ought to include in your list of thieves:Sony, Dell, Microsoft, HP, Samsung, Motorola, AT&T, Nokia, Panasonic, LG, Verizon, Toshiba, Google, Cisco, Fujitsu, IBM, Intel, RIM and HTC, because they are all constantly being sued in patent cases. Constantly.

But I know, you do some database admin or somesuch nonsense, so they would have told you if the company were being sued in a patent case, so this must be totally false.

Provide a list of cases against IBM listed by Month would be nice.

IBM has been the world's leader in patents issued for 2 decades.I would guessk that there have been 100s, if not thousands of infrgingement cases brought against them over that timeframe.

Just curious if they really are that many filed against them as suggested. It would also be interesting to see what they were for. It's obvious he knows how many times this occurs so it would be interesting to see.

 

[GloryDaze]

I've decided my present to myself for making the final car payment will be an iPad.

 

[Otis]

And I don't need to know patent law to know the companies I've worked for were not sued every month. Sorry that's so difficult for you to grasp.

You monitor every patent lawsuit filed against your companies? Every big high tech company with successful products is regularly sued in patent cases in the US. You haven't told us where you work (though you've tried desperately to let us know they were FORTUNE 2501!111 companies, and that you make a lot of money), but Apple isn't the only tech company regularly sued for patent infringement. If you think a patent infringement suit suggests that Apple is a "thief," or still didn't contribute some innovation in its products (including in multitouch), then you ought to include in your list of thieves:Sony, Dell, Microsoft, HP, Samsung, Motorola, AT&T, Nokia, Panasonic, LG, Verizon, Toshiba, Google, Cisco, Fujitsu, IBM, Intel, RIM and HTC, because they are all constantly being sued in patent cases. Constantly.

But I know, you do some database admin or somesuch nonsense, so they would have told you if the company were being sued in a patent case, so this must be totally false.

Provide a list of cases against IBM listed by Month would be nice.

I bet.

 

[Otis]

And I don't need to know patent law to know the companies I've worked for were not sued every month. Sorry that's so difficult for you to grasp.

You monitor every patent lawsuit filed against your companies? Every big high tech company with successful products is regularly sued in patent cases in the US. You haven't told us where you work (though you've tried desperately to let us know they were FORTUNE 2501!111 companies, and that you make a lot of money), but Apple isn't the only tech company regularly sued for patent infringement. If you think a patent infringement suit suggests that Apple is a "thief," or still didn't contribute some innovation in its products (including in multitouch), then you ought to include in your list of thieves:Sony, Dell, Microsoft, HP, Samsung, Motorola, AT&T, Nokia, Panasonic, LG, Verizon, Toshiba, Google, Cisco, Fujitsu, IBM, Intel, RIM and HTC, because they are all constantly being sued in patent cases. Constantly.

But I know, you do some database admin or somesuch nonsense, so they would have told you if the company were being sued in a patent case, so this must be totally false.

Provide a list of cases against IBM listed by Month would be nice.

IBM has been the world's leader in patents issued for 2 decades.I would guessk that there have been 100s, if not thousands of infrgingement cases brought against them over that timeframe.

Just curious if they really are that many filed against them as suggested. It would also be interesting to see what they were for. It's obvious he knows how many times this occurs so it would be interesting to see.

I told you, the big tech companies tend to be sued fairly regularly. Most of the lawsuits are not between competitors (although the economy and fierce competition have brought folks like HTC and Apple, Nokia and Apple, and others to clash in patent cases more recently). Most are brought by non practicing entities (patent trolls) who are just junk patent holders looking to extract nuisance value settlements. Apple and other tech companies pay out a crapload of those, because some guy seems to think he invented something, or some lawyer takes an overly aggressive approach to construing the patent claims. But ultimately that doesn't mean that the defendant in the suit -- who may pay their way out of it in a settlement/by taking a license -- is not an innovator itself. And it doesn't mean they are a thief either. All of 3Cs premises are screwed up and misaligned here. He's claimed to have come in and proven me wrong when I called Apple's multitouch innovative, because Apple happened to be sued on a multitouch-related patent. He's just as fairly proving that my skin is purple when he finds purple Crayolas at Toys R Us. The logic is that screwy.But yeah, most of these tech companies are sued by the patent trolls alone very frequently (once a month or so for the Casios of the world, several times a month for the Apples and Samsungs (Samsung was recently sued in 4 separate patent cases in a week)). I'm too lazy to pull it, but I promise you that the sky is blue and water is wet. Just trust me on it.

 

[Otis]

I've decided my present to myself for making the final car payment will be an iPad.

Download the Beat the Traffic app. Great for when you are stuck in traffic and looking to re-route (or when you are smart enough to check it ahead of time, before you hit the traffic).Download AroundMe for finding good restaurants/theaters/etc. on the go.Download Fandango to buy movie tickets while you're cruising.Download Words with Friends to get decimated by Otis in Scrabble.

 

[LokiKx]

I told you, the big tech companies tend to be sued fairly regularly. Most of the lawsuits are not between competitors (although the economy and fierce competition have brought folks like HTC and Apple, Nokia and Apple, and others to clash in patent cases more recently). Most are brought by non practicing entities (patent trolls) who are just junk patent holders looking to extract nuisance value settlements. Apple and other tech companies pay out a crapload of those, because some guy seems to think he invented something, or some lawyer takes an overly aggressive approach to construing the patent claims. But ultimately that doesn't mean that the defendant in the suit -- who may pay their way out of it in a settlement/by taking a license -- is not an innovator itself. And it doesn't mean they are a thief either. All of 3Cs premises are screwed up and misaligned here. He's claimed to have come in and proven me wrong when I called Apple's multitouch innovative, because Apple happened to be sued on a multitouch-related patent. He's just as fairly proving that my skin is purple when he finds purple Crayolas at Toys R Us. The logic is that screwy.But yeah, most of these tech companies are sued by the patent trolls alone very frequently (once a month or so for the Casios of the world, several times a month for the Apples and Samsungs (Samsung was recently sued in 4 separate patent cases in a week)). I'm too lazy to pull it, but I promise you that the sky is blue and water is wet. Just trust me on it.

You seem to know a lot about it so I'd love to see info on IBM. From what i could tell, I only read major news headlines, they have one against them maybe once a year. It could be I don't see them though. Same thing with HTC I don't recall seeing a lot of patent suits against them at least not as far as new ones every month. It seems the patent troll always come out when something new is put to market such as Sony and the Sixaxis controller. HTC and a new multi-touch phone. I never realized it was so frequent and I'm curious how many patents they are dredging up to continue filing against these big companies so frequently. If you don't want to do the research how about a link to a news source that tracks stuff like this?

 

[LokiKx]

I've decided my present to myself for making the final car payment will be an iPad.

Download the Beat the Traffic app. Great for when you are stuck in traffic and looking to re-route (or when you are smart enough to check it ahead of time, before you hit the traffic).Download AroundMe for finding good restaurants/theaters/etc. on the go.

Download Fandango to buy movie tickets while you're cruising.

Download Words with Friends to get decimated by Otis in Scrabble.

Does this work better than say the iPhone navigation apps ran on the iPad. I think TomTom and Navigon make them with live traffic?I have a dedicated TomTom in my car and it's live traffic is the best I've seen routing around traffic.

 

[3C's]

I told you, the big tech companies tend to be sued fairly regularly. Most of the lawsuits are not between competitors (although the economy and fierce competition have brought folks like HTC and Apple, Nokia and Apple, and others to clash in patent cases more recently). Most are brought by non practicing entities (patent trolls) who are just junk patent holders looking to extract nuisance value settlements. Apple and other tech companies pay out a crapload of those, because some guy seems to think he invented something, or some lawyer takes an overly aggressive approach to construing the patent claims. But ultimately that doesn't mean that the defendant in the suit -- who may pay their way out of it in a settlement/by taking a license -- is not an innovator itself. And it doesn't mean they are a thief either. All of 3Cs premises are screwed up and misaligned here. He's claimed to have come in and proven me wrong when I called Apple's multitouch innovative, because Apple happened to be sued on a multitouch-related patent. He's just as fairly proving that my skin is purple when he finds purple Crayolas at Toys R Us. The logic is that screwy.

But yeah, most of these tech companies are sued by the patent trolls alone very frequently (once a month or so for the Casios of the world, several times a month for the Apples and Samsungs (Samsung was recently sued in 4 separate patent cases in a week)). I'm too lazy to pull it, but I promise you that the sky is blue and water is wet. Just trust me on it.

Bull#### dude! You seem to have an issue with honesty, but I guess that comes with your profession.You didn't say Apple's multitouch was innovative. You said, and I quote "Apple's iPhone was the first really useable touchscreen device"

Then followed that up with "every successful tech company gets sued every month" which just is not true. There may be many lawsuits, but I guarantee "every" tech company is not getting sued "every" month. Which is it "fairly regularly" or "every month"?

Now, as long as you don't drag me into this again...I'm done.

 

[joey]

putting a lot of white space and a useful link to an ipad-related web page

to try to stop the pissing fight...

http://gizmodo.com/5507569/gizmodos-essential-ipad-apps

 

[The Commish]

Of course I don't. I've worked for 25 years in "tech" for 5 different Fortune 500 companies (that does show success, right?) and none of them were sued every month or every year.

Ever notice how it's always the "tech professionals" that are the biggest Apple bashers? This is a pattern I've noticed in the real world and it plays out here on the web. Seems to me you guys have so much invested in being the PC know-it-all's you are actually threatened by Apple's success. Sure, you'll immediately dismiss this thought with a series of 'laughing smilies' posts, but I think I'm on to something here.

It's been my experience that "tech professionals" are those that work on servers/mainframe etc. Not much time for the PCs...that's left to the Devry Grads. Tech professionals know the value of all the platforms, and generally don't hate Apple, but mock the crap out of Apple fanboys. It's most fun when you have a group of them all around you listening to them talk between their help desk calls.

 

[The Commish]

Oh, that really hurt. Yeah, I plug in monitors. Years of education and a true FBG salary to do it too.

What were your years of education in? And where did you study? And if it helps you any, knowledge of tech does not equate to knowledge of patent law.Are you real in yor 50s? You seriously come off as a high school kid.

If I had any energy I'd do one of those "look at me, i'm a lawyer" Otis posts, but alas....it's still not worth the time or effort.

 

[Chunky Soup]

I've decided my present to myself for making the final car payment will be an iPad.

Download the Beat the Traffic app. Great for when you are stuck in traffic and looking to re-route (or when you are smart enough to check it ahead of time, before you hit the traffic).Download AroundMe for finding good restaurants/theaters/etc. on the go.Download Fandango to buy movie tickets while you're cruising.Download Words with Friends to get decimated by Otis in Scrabble.

Quick Q, why Words with Friends over Scrabble? Just cheaper? Any other reasons? Also, can I start a game with a random person on the internet easily (fiancee won't play this one with me)?

 

[Otis]

I told you, the big tech companies tend to be sued fairly regularly. Most of the lawsuits are not between competitors (although the economy and fierce competition have brought folks like HTC and Apple, Nokia and Apple, and others to clash in patent cases more recently). Most are brought by non practicing entities (patent trolls) who are just junk patent holders looking to extract nuisance value settlements. Apple and other tech companies pay out a crapload of those, because some guy seems to think he invented something, or some lawyer takes an overly aggressive approach to construing the patent claims. But ultimately that doesn't mean that the defendant in the suit -- who may pay their way out of it in a settlement/by taking a license -- is not an innovator itself. And it doesn't mean they are a thief either. All of 3Cs premises are screwed up and misaligned here. He's claimed to have come in and proven me wrong when I called Apple's multitouch innovative, because Apple happened to be sued on a multitouch-related patent. He's just as fairly proving that my skin is purple when he finds purple Crayolas at Toys R Us. The logic is that screwy.But yeah, most of these tech companies are sued by the patent trolls alone very frequently (once a month or so for the Casios of the world, several times a month for the Apples and Samsungs (Samsung was recently sued in 4 separate patent cases in a week)). I'm too lazy to pull it, but I promise you that the sky is blue and water is wet. Just trust me on it.

You seem to know a lot about it so I'd love to see info on IBM. From what i could tell, I only read major news headlines, they have one against them maybe once a year. It could be I don't see them though. Same thing with HTC I don't recall seeing a lot of patent suits against them at least not as far as new ones every month. It seems the patent troll always come out when something new is put to market such as Sony and the Sixaxis controller. HTC and a new multi-touch phone. I never realized it was so frequent and I'm curious how many patents they are dredging up to continue filing against these big companies so frequently. If you don't want to do the research how about a link to a news source that tracks stuff like this?

Yup, it does happen frewuently. I don't have a link handy, but do some reading on patent trolls like Acacia. Or better yet if you Google "271 blog" (named after the patent infringement statute, section 271), and non-practicing entities, you can find a recent listing they did of only those types of patents suits (brought by trolls). The numbers are way high. Also if you just search for patent troll generally, you will find a ton of articles on the issue. It is one that has folks in the patent law community up in arms, and has for the past decade, and it is one of the motivators for a lot of the reform measures in the new patent reform bill in the senate. It is a real problem. But, fundamentally, just because you get sued for infringing a patent -- setting the trolls aside --that alone says nothing about what you yourself invented or wheher or not you are an innovator or not.

 

[Otis]

I told you, the big tech companies tend to be sued fairly regularly. Most of the lawsuits are not between competitors (although the economy and fierce competition have brought folks like HTC and Apple, Nokia and Apple, and others to clash in patent cases more recently). Most are brought by non practicing entities (patent trolls) who are just junk patent holders looking to extract nuisance value settlements. Apple and other tech companies pay out a crapload of those, because some guy seems to think he invented something, or some lawyer takes an overly aggressive approach to construing the patent claims. But ultimately that doesn't mean that the defendant in the suit -- who may pay their way out of it in a settlement/by taking a license -- is not an innovator itself. And it doesn't mean they are a thief either. All of 3Cs premises are screwed up and misaligned here. He's claimed to have come in and proven me wrong when I called Apple's multitouch innovative, because Apple happened to be sued on a multitouch-related patent. He's just as fairly proving that my skin is purple when he finds purple Crayolas at Toys R Us. The logic is that screwy.

But yeah, most of these tech companies are sued by the patent trolls alone very frequently (once a month or so for the Casios of the world, several times a month for the Apples and Samsungs (Samsung was recently sued in 4 separate patent cases in a week)). I'm too lazy to pull it, but I promise you that the sky is blue and water is wet. Just trust me on it.

Bull#### dude! You seem to have an issue with honesty, but I guess that comes with your profession.You didn't say Apple's multitouch was innovative. You said, and I quote "Apple's iPhone was the first really useable touchscreen device"

Then followed that up with "every successful tech company gets sued every month" which just is not true. There may be many lawsuits, but I guarantee "every" tech company is not getting sued "every" month. Which is it "fairly regularly" or "every month"?

Now, as long as you don't drag me into this again...I'm done.

All of my statements above are true. Have you linked to a single consumer product that ahs as usable a touchscreen as iphone? Give me one. And what i posted about patent lawsuits is true. What makes you think you know better about the subject? It's my livelihood, i promise i know more about it than you do.

 

[Otis]

I've decided my present to myself for making the final car payment will be an iPad.

Download the Beat the Traffic app. Great for when you are stuck in traffic and looking to re-route (or when you are smart enough to check it ahead of time, before you hit the traffic).Download AroundMe for finding good restaurants/theaters/etc. on the go.Download Fandango to buy movie tickets while you're cruising.Download Words with Friends to get decimated by Otis in Scrabble.

Quick Q, why Words with Friends over Scrabble? Just cheaper? Any other reasons? Also, can I start a game with a random person on the internet easily (fiancee won't play this one with me)?

It is free, and it is what my fiancée/friend were playing. Yes you can get random games going very easily.

 

[The Commish]

What makes you think you know better about the subject? It's my livelihood, i promise i know more about it than you do.

This didn't seem to matter to you when you were talking to us. You did nothing but mock us for our livelihoods. Why should it be important now?

 

[Otis]

Oh, that really hurt. Yeah, I plug in monitors. Years of education and a true FBG salary to do it too.

What were your years of education in? And where did you study? And if it helps you any, knowledge of tech does not equate to knowledge of patent law.Are you real in yor 50s? You seriously come off as a high school kid.

If I had any energy I'd do one of those "look at me, i'm a lawyer" Otis posts, but alas....it's still not worth the time or effort.

Im a patent lawyer. Guy is pretending he knows it better than me. And he is totally wrong about all his presumptions. It's awful.

 

[the moops]

And what i posted about patent lawsuits is true. What makes you think you know better about the subject? It's my livelihood, i promise i know more about it than you do.

IBM was granted 4914 patents last year. With that many, no doubt there are many lawsuits associated with them.

 

[Otis]

What makes you think you know better about the subject? It's my livelihood, i promise i know more about it than you do.

This didn't seem to matter to you when you were talking to us. You did nothing but mock us for our livelihoods. Why should it be important now?

The difference is I am not telling him the discussion is "over his head." We were talking before about high level consumer electronics and internet stuff, and a bunch of IT guys are pouncing on me telling me I can't keep up with the conversation. I have a BS in computer engineering, a boatload of masters level credits in electrical engineering, and industry experience as a software engineer. The conversation is nauseating, and it's absurd when some database admin or guy whose company has a website is telling me I or anyone else in here aren't equipped to have the sort of conversation we were having.But this is different. I'm not telling him the conversation is "over his head." I'm telling him that he is flat out wrong about the facts he is assuming regarding what it means when a company is sued in a patent case. And I'm telling him the FACTS about how frequently large companies are sued in patent cases. I posted the list above. Go ahead and do a database search of how often they are sued. I bet you end up with once a month on average, maybe more these days when hot products are being released (Motorola and HTC have been sued buttloads in the past year based on accusations that the Droid phones infringe a bunch of patents).But again, if you want to listen to 3Cs, go ahead and do that. At least Loki seems to want to have a discussion here. 3Cs is just being a pain in the butt troll. It's like you guys pass the baton once a week, and every week one of you is on assignment to be a colossal jerk in this thread (and being horrendously wrong) and contribute nothing of value.

 

[The Commish]

All of my statements above are true. Have you linked to a single consumer product that ahs as usable a touchscreen as iphone? Give me one.

I'll give you a whole line.... this company makes some pretty freakin' cool screens. Not seen one anywhere else, close to what this one does. Doesn't mean there isn't one out there...just never seen it.

 

[Otis]

And what i posted about patent lawsuits is true. What makes you think you know better about the subject? It's my livelihood, i promise i know more about it than you do.

IBM was granted 4914 patents last year. With that many, no doubt there are many lawsuits associated with them.

In fairness, IBM's acquiring of patents is not really related in any way to how often they are sued in patent cases. They've always been at the top of patent filings, but the real measure of how often they will be sued will be the products they release (they are certainly sued enough, and I've been against them in some cases where they were a defendant). That's why Apple, HTC, Motorola, and Samsung are some of the big targets today. They are realeasing a ton of hot products and have big targets on their backs.One of the things you learn in torts first year of law school is that it's all about going for the guy with the deep pockets. It holds up in the patent infringement context...

 

[Otis]

All of my statements above are true. Have you linked to a single consumer product that ahs as usable a touchscreen as iphone? Give me one.

I'll give you a whole line.... this company makes some pretty freakin' cool screens. Not seen one anywhere else, close to what this one does. Doesn't mean there isn't one out there...just never seen it.

The bolded is important here. I obviously didn't conduct an in depth survey of small-beans manufacturers, science projects, etc. when I made my statement that the iPhone's multi-touch interface is the first really usable touchscreen device. I was talking about, you know, products we actually see in the stores and use in our daily lives. I've never interacted with anything nearly as cool as my iPad. I pulled it out at a family party this week, and the pinch-zoom functionality in google maps, and all that other good stuff -- folks were super impressed by it. They haven't seen it before. 3Cs is really upset with the comment. He can be upset. I stand by it.

And I stand by the fact that he knows jack about patent law. I guess I was right about him being a database admin or having some other IT role in organizations, but I don't know why he thinks that has made him, over the course of his career, privy to everything going on at the legal and IP departments at his companies. My guess is they didn't need his input. Maybe that's why he didn't know about his companies being sued. Or maybe he just worked for smaller companies that didn't make a lot of products and didn't get sued much. Who knows.

 

[The Commish]

What makes you think you know better about the subject? It's my livelihood, i promise i know more about it than you do.

This didn't seem to matter to you when you were talking to us. You did nothing but mock us for our livelihoods. Why should it be important now?

The difference is I am not telling him the discussion is "over his head." We were talking before about high level consumer electronics and internet stuff, and a bunch of IT guys are pouncing on me telling me I can't keep up with the conversation. I have a BS in computer engineering, a boatload of masters level credits in electrical engineering, and industry experience as a software engineer. The conversation is nauseating, and it's absurd when some database admin or guy whose company has a website is telling me I or anyone else in here aren't equipped to have the sort of conversation we were having.But this is different. I'm not telling him the conversation is "over his head." I'm telling him that he is flat out wrong about the facts he is assuming regarding what it means when a company is sued in a patent case. And I'm telling him the FACTS about how frequently large companies are sued in patent cases. I posted the list above. Go ahead and do a database search of how often they are sued. I bet you end up with once a month on average, maybe more these days when hot products are being released (Motorola and HTC have been sued buttloads in the past year based on accusations that the Droid phones infringe a bunch of patents).But again, if you want to listen to 3Cs, go ahead and do that. At least Loki seems to want to have a discussion here. 3Cs is just being a pain in the butt troll. It's like you guys pass the baton once a week, and every week one of you is on assignment to be a colossal jerk in this thread (and being horrendously wrong) and contribute nothing of value.

I didn't tell you it was over your head....I simply told you, you had no idea what you were talking about. And you didn't. I would have been well within my right to claim the conversation was over your head though. Comments like "No flash....will probably be addressed in a future release" are all I need to know that you had no idea where html5 was in the market place or what Jobs' position was on it. What I said to you is no different than what you are saying to him.

 

[Otis]

What makes you think you know better about the subject? It's my livelihood, i promise i know more about it than you do.

This didn't seem to matter to you when you were talking to us. You did nothing but mock us for our livelihoods. Why should it be important now?

The difference is I am not telling him the discussion is "over his head." We were talking before about high level consumer electronics and internet stuff, and a bunch of IT guys are pouncing on me telling me I can't keep up with the conversation. I have a BS in computer engineering, a boatload of masters level credits in electrical engineering, and industry experience as a software engineer. The conversation is nauseating, and it's absurd when some database admin or guy whose company has a website is telling me I or anyone else in here aren't equipped to have the sort of conversation we were having.But this is different. I'm not telling him the conversation is "over his head." I'm telling him that he is flat out wrong about the facts he is assuming regarding what it means when a company is sued in a patent case. And I'm telling him the FACTS about how frequently large companies are sued in patent cases. I posted the list above. Go ahead and do a database search of how often they are sued. I bet you end up with once a month on average, maybe more these days when hot products are being released (Motorola and HTC have been sued buttloads in the past year based on accusations that the Droid phones infringe a bunch of patents).But again, if you want to listen to 3Cs, go ahead and do that. At least Loki seems to want to have a discussion here. 3Cs is just being a pain in the butt troll. It's like you guys pass the baton once a week, and every week one of you is on assignment to be a colossal jerk in this thread (and being horrendously wrong) and contribute nothing of value.

I didn't tell you it was over your head....I simply told you, you had no idea what you were talking about. And you didn't. Comments like "No flash....will probably be addressed in a future release" are all I need to know that you had no idea where html5 was in the market place or what Jobs' position was on it. What I said to you is no different than what you are saying to him.

Night and day different. Are we really going to do this again? You made a big deal out of my comment that lots of websites were porting over to HTML to be iPad compatible. You laughed at it and mocked me for it. I posted a dozen links to news articles saying exactly that.In any event, anyone here can discuss HTML5 or flash at a high level without it being "over their heads." 3Cs is challenging a FACT I stated and telling me it's wrong. It's not.

 

[Otis]

Maybe Card Trader was the "over my head" guy. It's hard to keep up with you guys. It's like I'm playing whack-a-mole.

 

[The Commish]

All of my statements above are true. Have you linked to a single consumer product that ahs as usable a touchscreen as iphone? Give me one.

I'll give you a whole line.... this company makes some pretty freakin' cool screens. Not seen one anywhere else, close to what this one does. Doesn't mean there isn't one out there...just never seen it.

The bolded is important here. I obviously didn't conduct an in depth survey of small-beans manufacturers, science projects, etc. when I made my statement that the iPhone's multi-touch interface is the first really usable touchscreen device. I was talking about, you know, products we actually see in the stores and use in our daily lives. I've never interacted with anything nearly as cool as my iPad. I pulled it out at a family party this week, and the pinch-zoom functionality in google maps, and all that other good stuff -- folks were super impressed by it. They haven't seen it before. 3Cs is really upset with the comment. He can be upset. I stand by it.

And I stand by the fact that he knows jack about patent law. I guess I was right about him being a database admin or having some other IT role in organizations, but I don't know why he thinks that has made him, over the course of his career, privy to everything going on at the legal and IP departments at his companies. My guess is they didn't need his input. Maybe that's why he didn't know about his companies being sued. Or maybe he just worked for smaller companies that didn't make a lot of products and didn't get sued much. Who knows.

These very screens are in almost every single presentation room and auditorium in our bank. This is not a fly by night company.

 

[The Commish]

What makes you think you know better about the subject? It's my livelihood, i promise i know more about it than you do.

This didn't seem to matter to you when you were talking to us. You did nothing but mock us for our livelihoods. Why should it be important now?

The difference is I am not telling him the discussion is "over his head." We were talking before about high level consumer electronics and internet stuff, and a bunch of IT guys are pouncing on me telling me I can't keep up with the conversation. I have a BS in computer engineering, a boatload of masters level credits in electrical engineering, and industry experience as a software engineer. The conversation is nauseating, and it's absurd when some database admin or guy whose company has a website is telling me I or anyone else in here aren't equipped to have the sort of conversation we were having.But this is different. I'm not telling him the conversation is "over his head." I'm telling him that he is flat out wrong about the facts he is assuming regarding what it means when a company is sued in a patent case. And I'm telling him the FACTS about how frequently large companies are sued in patent cases. I posted the list above. Go ahead and do a database search of how often they are sued. I bet you end up with once a month on average, maybe more these days when hot products are being released (Motorola and HTC have been sued buttloads in the past year based on accusations that the Droid phones infringe a bunch of patents).But again, if you want to listen to 3Cs, go ahead and do that. At least Loki seems to want to have a discussion here. 3Cs is just being a pain in the butt troll. It's like you guys pass the baton once a week, and every week one of you is on assignment to be a colossal jerk in this thread (and being horrendously wrong) and contribute nothing of value.

I didn't tell you it was over your head....I simply told you, you had no idea what you were talking about. And you didn't. Comments like "No flash....will probably be addressed in a future release" are all I need to know that you had no idea where html5 was in the market place or what Jobs' position was on it. What I said to you is no different than what you are saying to him.

Night and day different. Are we really going to do this again? You made a big deal out of my comment that lots of websites were porting over to HTML to be iPad compatible. You laughed at it and mocked me for it. I posted a dozen links to news articles saying exactly that.In any event, anyone here can discuss HTML5 or flash at a high level without it being "over their heads." 3Cs is challenging a FACT I stated and telling me it's wrong. It's not.

whatever

 

[Otis]

All of my statements above are true. Have you linked to a single consumer product that ahs as usable a touchscreen as iphone? Give me one.

I'll give you a whole line.... this company makes some pretty freakin' cool screens. Not seen one anywhere else, close to what this one does. Doesn't mean there isn't one out there...just never seen it.

The bolded is important here. I obviously didn't conduct an in depth survey of small-beans manufacturers, science projects, etc. when I made my statement that the iPhone's multi-touch interface is the first really usable touchscreen device. I was talking about, you know, products we actually see in the stores and use in our daily lives. I've never interacted with anything nearly as cool as my iPad. I pulled it out at a family party this week, and the pinch-zoom functionality in google maps, and all that other good stuff -- folks were super impressed by it. They haven't seen it before. 3Cs is really upset with the comment. He can be upset. I stand by it.

And I stand by the fact that he knows jack about patent law. I guess I was right about him being a database admin or having some other IT role in organizations, but I don't know why he thinks that has made him, over the course of his career, privy to everything going on at the legal and IP departments at his companies. My guess is they didn't need his input. Maybe that's why he didn't know about his companies being sued. Or maybe he just worked for smaller companies that didn't make a lot of products and didn't get sued much. Who knows.

These very screens are in almost every single presentation room and auditorium in our bank. This is not a fly by night company.

Thats cool? Its nothing I've ever seen before. Im guessing its a corporate enterprise thing? Are they touch pads? Or multitouch touch screens? Do we make this conversation go away if I admit that apple didn't invent multitouch? (i think i did already, but will again if it will help)

 

[moderated]

Just wanted to thank Otis for fighting the fight with these trolls who are so absurd it's laughable.

Signed,

Steve Jobs and iPad users everywhere (1 million+ and growing at a record pace)

 

[3C's]

I told you, the big tech companies tend to be sued fairly regularly. Most of the lawsuits are not between competitors (although the economy and fierce competition have brought folks like HTC and Apple, Nokia and Apple, and others to clash in patent cases more recently). Most are brought by non practicing entities (patent trolls) who are just junk patent holders looking to extract nuisance value settlements. Apple and other tech companies pay out a crapload of those, because some guy seems to think he invented something, or some lawyer takes an overly aggressive approach to construing the patent claims. But ultimately that doesn't mean that the defendant in the suit -- who may pay their way out of it in a settlement/by taking a license -- is not an innovator itself. And it doesn't mean they are a thief either. All of 3Cs premises are screwed up and misaligned here. He's claimed to have come in and proven me wrong when I called Apple's multitouch innovative, because Apple happened to be sued on a multitouch-related patent. He's just as fairly proving that my skin is purple when he finds purple Crayolas at Toys R Us. The logic is that screwy.

But yeah, most of these tech companies are sued by the patent trolls alone very frequently (once a month or so for the Casios of the world, several times a month for the Apples and Samsungs (Samsung was recently sued in 4 separate patent cases in a week)). I'm too lazy to pull it, but I promise you that the sky is blue and water is wet. Just trust me on it.

Bull#### dude! You seem to have an issue with honesty, but I guess that comes with your profession.You didn't say Apple's multitouch was innovative. You said, and I quote "Apple's iPhone was the first really useable touchscreen device"

Then followed that up with "every successful tech company gets sued every month" which just is not true. There may be many lawsuits, but I guarantee "every" tech company is not getting sued "every" month. Which is it "fairly regularly" or "every month"?

Now, as long as you don't drag me into this again...I'm done.

All of my statements above are true. Have you linked to a single consumer product that ahs as usable a touchscreen as iphone? Give me one. And what i posted about patent lawsuits is true. What makes you think you know better about the subject? It's my livelihood, i promise i know more about it than you do.

Jesus, are you that ####### dense? You didn't say "consumer" device.I don't care if it's your livelihood. There is 0 chance that every tech company is sued every month. As you would say, link!!

 

[The Commish]

All of my statements above are true. Have you linked to a single consumer product that ahs as usable a touchscreen as iphone? Give me one.

I'll give you a whole line.... this company makes some pretty freakin' cool screens. Not seen one anywhere else, close to what this one does. Doesn't mean there isn't one out there...just never seen it.

The bolded is important here. I obviously didn't conduct an in depth survey of small-beans manufacturers, science projects, etc. when I made my statement that the iPhone's multi-touch interface is the first really usable touchscreen device. I was talking about, you know, products we actually see in the stores and use in our daily lives. I've never interacted with anything nearly as cool as my iPad. I pulled it out at a family party this week, and the pinch-zoom functionality in google maps, and all that other good stuff -- folks were super impressed by it. They haven't seen it before. 3Cs is really upset with the comment. He can be upset. I stand by it.

And I stand by the fact that he knows jack about patent law. I guess I was right about him being a database admin or having some other IT role in organizations, but I don't know why he thinks that has made him, over the course of his career, privy to everything going on at the legal and IP departments at his companies. My guess is they didn't need his input. Maybe that's why he didn't know about his companies being sued. Or maybe he just worked for smaller companies that didn't make a lot of products and didn't get sued much. Who knows.

These very screens are in almost every single presentation room and auditorium in our bank. This is not a fly by night company.

Thats cool? Its nothing I've ever seen before. Im guessing its a corporate enterprise thing? Are they touch pads? Or multitouch touch screens? Do we make this conversation go away if I admit that apple didn't invent multitouch? (i think i did already, but will again if it will help)

I was addressing the bolded of your last comment. Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it must be some small company that no one's never heard of. Take 5 minutes to watch CNN. They have multitouch screens (from Panasonic) I believe and whiteboards with multitouch have been around forever. You can write on those and it will record it on your PC. I get that your iPad is your first experience. I am genuinely surprised that you've not run across this technology being a lawyer, having to do presentations (I assume) etc. I didn't think this was news, but you can buy touchscreen/multitouch TVs for your house now.

 

[Otis]

I told you, the big tech companies tend to be sued fairly regularly. Most of the lawsuits are not between competitors (although the economy and fierce competition have brought folks like HTC and Apple, Nokia and Apple, and others to clash in patent cases more recently). Most are brought by non practicing entities (patent trolls) who are just junk patent holders looking to extract nuisance value settlements. Apple and other tech companies pay out a crapload of those, because some guy seems to think he invented something, or some lawyer takes an overly aggressive approach to construing the patent claims. But ultimately that doesn't mean that the defendant in the suit -- who may pay their way out of it in a settlement/by taking a license -- is not an innovator itself. And it doesn't mean they are a thief either. All of 3Cs premises are screwed up and misaligned here. He's claimed to have come in and proven me wrong when I called Apple's multitouch innovative, because Apple happened to be sued on a multitouch-related patent. He's just as fairly proving that my skin is purple when he finds purple Crayolas at Toys R Us. The logic is that screwy.

But yeah, most of these tech companies are sued by the patent trolls alone very frequently (once a month or so for the Casios of the world, several times a month for the Apples and Samsungs (Samsung was recently sued in 4 separate patent cases in a week)). I'm too lazy to pull it, but I promise you that the sky is blue and water is wet. Just trust me on it.

Bull#### dude! You seem to have an issue with honesty, but I guess that comes with your profession.You didn't say Apple's multitouch was innovative. You said, and I quote "Apple's iPhone was the first really useable touchscreen device"

Then followed that up with "every successful tech company gets sued every month" which just is not true. There may be many lawsuits, but I guarantee "every" tech company is not getting sued "every" month. Which is it "fairly regularly" or "every month"?

Now, as long as you don't drag me into this again...I'm done.

All of my statements above are true. Have you linked to a single consumer product that ahs as usable a touchscreen as iphone? Give me one. And what i posted about patent lawsuits is true. What makes you think you know better about the subject? It's my livelihood, i promise i know more about it than you do.

Jesus, are you that ####### dense? You didn't say "consumer" device.I don't care if it's your livelihood. There is 0 chance that every tech company is sued every month. As you would say, link!!

You're right jackstick, not every single tech company in the world is sued every month. Does hat prove your point? No. The discussion was about Apple, and my comments throughout this discussion have been about the big tech companies. Every single one of the ones i mention is regularly sued in patent cases. That's a fact. I apologize in advance for the facts not suiting your needs.

 

[Otis]

I was addressing the bolded of your last comment. Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it must be some small company that no one's never heard of. Take 5 minutes to watch CNN. They have multitouch screens (from Panasonic) I believe and whiteboards with multitouch have been around forever. You can write on those and it will record it on your PC. I get that your iPad is your first experience. I am genuinely surprised that you've not run across this technology being a lawyer, having to do presentations (I assume) etc. I didn't think this was news, but you can buy touchscreen/multitouch TVs for your house now.

Apple makes the first ones I have ever used that work this well. Maybe im wrong and Apple's mulitouch is run of the mill and not particularly good. I doubt it.

 

[Otis]

3Cs was i right? You do database admin?

 

[3C's]

3Cs was i right? You do database admin?

Negative. Not a bad guess. DBA is too mundane though. Can't give out too much info since there are 100k+ employees in the company I work for and I'm sure some of them are here.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

No dog in this fight but large companies in many industries are sued by patent trolls at a very high rate. I'm not surprised by the monthly figure that Otis threw out there for tech companies.

 

[3C's]

I was addressing the bolded of your last comment. Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it must be some small company that no one's never heard of. Take 5 minutes to watch CNN. They have multitouch screens (from Panasonic) I believe and whiteboards with multitouch have been around forever. You can write on those and it will record it on your PC. I get that your iPad is your first experience. I am genuinely surprised that you've not run across this technology being a lawyer, having to do presentations (I assume) etc. I didn't think this was news, but you can buy touchscreen/multitouch TVs for your house now.

Apple makes the first ones I have ever used that work this well.

Now you're making sense.

 

[Otis]

Back on topic

New revelation:

Hooked this thing up to my home theater system tonight. I had an old headphone jack-to-RCA cable I used from my old iPod days.

First started toying around with the Korg Electribe app I had downloaded. It's a synth/drum machine type app. I'm no expert with the stuff, but was curious. It sounds pretty cool just running out of the iPad, but hooked up to the big speakers it was pretty fantastic. For any of your DJ nerds, this is a must-have app. I could set up a bunch of beats and run a dance party or club from this thing.

I then busted out the VGA adapter and a regular old VGA cable to run the video. I had only previously connected this to run Keynote presentations, and I wasn't sure what else would output video signals. Turns out, the Video app does output video. The HD quality video looks pretty awesome even on my 63" plasma.

So tonight we're rocking some videos driven by the iPad.

Later this week I'm having delivered the bluetooth adapter kit for my car. Supposedly I may be able to run this thing through my stereo via bluetooth. Would be pretty cool. We'll see...

This thing continues to be more and more useful. It doesn't leave my side. The one thing I would like to set up -- though I doubt I'm ambitious enough for this -- is to use this thing as a control for all the functions in my apartment. There is an app (called Control4Home or something like that) that supposedly can be hooked up to control lights, systems, etc. in your apartment. I'd love to set this up. I assume it's via X10 or some other existing technology. We'll see...

 

[Otis]

Good write-up in the Times today about the Newsy app I had on my "must download" list.

Link

 

[Chunky Soup]

Words With Friends is pretty decent, Oat. Pretty sure the price has been changing as I got it for $3 . In the reviews I noticed some got it for $2, so I guess it depends when you get in.