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'cstu said:
'goonsquad said:
'Ned said:
'Aaron Rudnicki said:
I've had a screen protector on my iphone 4 pretty much as long as I've owned it and don't even notice it. There's a scratch in the screen protector right now and I haven't bothered to replace it yet, but that's a lot easier to do than to actually replace the glass. I guess the screen cover probably scratches easier than the glass does though.

Like I said, I'll probably have a case for the ipad so that should be good enough.
They're a waste for either iPad or iPhone. I've never had a scratch on either of mine and have been abused by three kids 5 and under.
I have been using these Antibacterial Screen Protectors on both my iPad and iPhone. They are imbedded with nano silver that kills 99.99% of germs. They are expensive, but I got mine for free.
These work but like anti-bacterial soap it is helping create antibiotic resistant bacteria. Nano-silver is used in the medical field because other things have stopped working. The overuse of nano-silver is going to eventually make it useless.
NOTE TO SELF: Don't shake hands with cstu. :X
I suggest avoiding the "no soap" thread.
 
Today when i look at my order it appears that only my cover shipped and the ipad is preparing still. Yesterday they were combined and today seperated. :kicksrock:
Mine always showed as 2 different shipments. Still waiting for my iPad to ship.
Speak of the devil, just got a second notification. Its shipped.
Cool, when did you place your order?
Launch day. But i cancelled the order of the white, and went black day 2.
 
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Anyone interested in buying a practically new iPad2? We bought one last year and it's literally been used a handful of times, and has otherwise sat and collected dust. It's this one:

White iPad2 16GB Wifi only; also with the Apple magnetic smart case (grey) which I'll throw in free

Looks like they're going for $360-380 or so on eBay, but if I can sell to a FBG and give someone here a deal on it, I wouldn't mind. What's a fair FBG discount? $325? $300 and you pay shipping? Whatever is fair, just let me know -- if nobody here is interested I'll post it up on eBay, but figured I'd give my good ibuddies a shot first.

OT

 
Anyone interested in buying a practically new iPad2? We bought one last year and it's literally been used a handful of times, and has otherwise sat and collected dust. It's this one:White iPad2 16GB Wifi only; also with the Apple magnetic smart case (grey) which I'll throw in freeLooks like they're going for $360-380 or so on eBay, but if I can sell to a FBG and give someone here a deal on it, I wouldn't mind. What's a fair FBG discount? $325? $300 and you pay shipping? Whatever is fair, just let me know -- if nobody here is interested I'll post it up on eBay, but figured I'd give my good ibuddies a shot first.OT
Would you accept payment in coupons?
 
Anyone interested in buying a practically new iPad2? We bought one last year and it's literally been used a handful of times, and has otherwise sat and collected dust. It's this one:White iPad2 16GB Wifi only; also with the Apple magnetic smart case (grey) which I'll throw in freeLooks like they're going for $360-380 or so on eBay, but if I can sell to a FBG and give someone here a deal on it, I wouldn't mind. What's a fair FBG discount? $325? $300 and you pay shipping? Whatever is fair, just let me know -- if nobody here is interested I'll post it up on eBay, but figured I'd give my good ibuddies a shot first.OT
Dude, weren't you the original iPad hype man? WTF happened? Who'd of thunk I'd have 2 iPads in my house and you're getting rid of your only one?
 
'Leeroy Jenkins said:
My ipad actually appears to just be sitting at the nearest fedex location waiting for "future delivery"
Same here. Was excited when I saw it shipped, and thought I'd have it before Friday. Then I saw the future delivery thing.
 
Anyone interested in buying a practically new iPad2? We bought one last year and it's literally been used a handful of times, and has otherwise sat and collected dust. It's this one:White iPad2 16GB Wifi only; also with the Apple magnetic smart case (grey) which I'll throw in freeLooks like they're going for $360-380 or so on eBay, but if I can sell to a FBG and give someone here a deal on it, I wouldn't mind. What's a fair FBG discount? $325? $300 and you pay shipping? Whatever is fair, just let me know -- if nobody here is interested I'll post it up on eBay, but figured I'd give my good ibuddies a shot first.OT
Dude, weren't you the original iPad hype man? WTF happened? Who'd of thunk I'd have 2 iPads in my house and you're getting rid of your only one?
Wife and I both have iPhone4s and Airs, so we end up spending all our time on those. My wife is the e-reader person in the house, and she uses her Kindle for that. I'm sure there's room for the iPad in the middle somewhere, but given all the other devices we have, we just tend not to use it. I had the original iPad and used it a ton then, but that was before I got an iPhone.
 
Anyone interested in buying a practically new iPad2? We bought one last year and it's literally been used a handful of times, and has otherwise sat and collected dust. It's this one:White iPad2 16GB Wifi only; also with the Apple magnetic smart case (grey) which I'll throw in freeLooks like they're going for $360-380 or so on eBay, but if I can sell to a FBG and give someone here a deal on it, I wouldn't mind. What's a fair FBG discount? $325? $300 and you pay shipping? Whatever is fair, just let me know -- if nobody here is interested I'll post it up on eBay, but figured I'd give my good ibuddies a shot first.OT
With 16 GB, how much real functional storage is that? I only have a Nano so I don't have any idea how much space is taken up by apps and such. I'm assuming if I use handbrake I can get movies down to maybe 1GB or so? How much of the 16 GB is eaten up by the iOS? How's real world batter life on it?Also, my wife might like something like this but I believe I've seen people note something in this thread (or others) to the effect of not being able to do multi-tabbed browsing on an iPad. Is this correct?
 
Anyone interested in buying a practically new iPad2? We bought one last year and it's literally been used a handful of times, and has otherwise sat and collected dust. It's this one:White iPad2 16GB Wifi only; also with the Apple magnetic smart case (grey) which I'll throw in freeLooks like they're going for $360-380 or so on eBay, but if I can sell to a FBG and give someone here a deal on it, I wouldn't mind. What's a fair FBG discount? $325? $300 and you pay shipping? Whatever is fair, just let me know -- if nobody here is interested I'll post it up on eBay, but figured I'd give my good ibuddies a shot first.OT
With 16 GB, how much real functional storage is that? I only have a Nano so I don't have any idea how much space is taken up by apps and such. I'm assuming if I use handbrake I can get movies down to maybe 1GB or so? How much of the 16 GB is eaten up by the iOS? How's real world batter life on it?Also, my wife might like something like this but I believe I've seen people note something in this thread (or others) to the effect of not being able to do multi-tabbed browsing on an iPad. Is this correct?
Re: your first question, not sure I can say. I have 8GB storage on my iPhone and it's filled up -- wish I had 16.Re: the second, you can do multi-tab browsing. I use Atomic browser on all my iOS devices and love it.
 
Anyone interested in buying a practically new iPad2? We bought one last year and it's literally been used a handful of times, and has otherwise sat and collected dust. It's this one:White iPad2 16GB Wifi only; also with the Apple magnetic smart case (grey) which I'll throw in freeLooks like they're going for $360-380 or so on eBay, but if I can sell to a FBG and give someone here a deal on it, I wouldn't mind. What's a fair FBG discount? $325? $300 and you pay shipping? Whatever is fair, just let me know -- if nobody here is interested I'll post it up on eBay, but figured I'd give my good ibuddies a shot first.OT
With 16 GB, how much real functional storage is that? I only have a Nano so I don't have any idea how much space is taken up by apps and such. I'm assuming if I use handbrake I can get movies down to maybe 1GB or so? How much of the 16 GB is eaten up by the iOS? How's real world batter life on it?Also, my wife might like something like this but I believe I've seen people note something in this thread (or others) to the effect of not being able to do multi-tabbed browsing on an iPad. Is this correct?
Re: your first question, not sure I can say. I have 8GB storage on my iPhone and it's filled up -- wish I had 16.Re: the second, you can do multi-tab browsing. I use Atomic browser on all my iOS devices and love it.
I use Atomic Browser on occasion, but safari will also do tabbed browsing on the ipad - not on the iphone
 
Sunday, March 11, 2012

Apple says new iPad response is "off the charts," preorders sold out

By Josh Ong

Published: 11:15 AM EST (08:15 AM PST)

Apple has officially acknowledged that iPad stock set aside for preorders is sold out, while noting also that customer response to the device has been "off the charts."

Within two days of the unveiling of the new iPad, new orders of the iPad had already slipped from this Friday's launch day delivery to a ship date of March 19. Apple has since confirmed in a statement that preorders of the touchscreen tablet have run out, as noted by USA Today.

"Customer response to the new iPad has been off the charts and the quantity available for pre-order has been purchased," a company spokesperson said. "Customers can continue to order online and receive an estimated delivery date."

Given the response to the device, Apple is expected to set new sales records later this week when the device launches. Pre-existing records for the Cupertino, Calif., iPad maker were already impressive, as it experienced crushing demand for its second-generation tablet last year, with orders quickly slipping to multi-week shipping estimates. A month after the iPad 2 was released, Apple's then chief operating officer Tim Cook said during a quarterly conference call that "staggering" demand for the device had caused the "mother of all backlogs."

Apple has presumably significantly increased its production volume for iPad in anticipation of high demand, but it has also expanded its ambitions with a faster international rollout for the device. Whereas the iPad 2 was released in just the U.S. before launching overseas two weeks later, Apple plans to sell the new iPad in a total of 12 regions from day one. Those markets include: Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Hong Kong, Japan, Puerto Rico, Singapore, Switzerland, UK and the US Virgin Islands.

The standout features of the new iPad are its Retina Display and the addition of 4G LTE connectivity. The device also contains a faster A5X processor and an improved camera.
 
Why is it every time they release a product:

1. Infrastructure can't hold up to the traffic?

2. Confusion on ordering statuses?

3. They "sell out" of their pre-order stock? I'm not even sure how you sell out of something that doesn't exist to begin with.

As a shareholder, I'd like to see them clean this stuff up, especially #3. They need better forecasters in place. People will only believe the "off the charts" spin for so long.

 
Why is it every time they release a product:1. Infrastructure can't hold up to the traffic?2. Confusion on ordering statuses?3. They "sell out" of their pre-order stock? I'm not even sure how you sell out of something that doesn't exist to begin with.As a shareholder, I'd like to see them clean this stuff up, especially #3. They need better forecasters in place. People will only believe the "off the charts" spin for so long.
1. Do you know any other e-tailer that has ever had to deal with the amount of traffic Apple deals with in the first few days of a product launch? 2. First I'm hearing about this. On these boards everyone seems to have been able to track their orders.3. They are probably still finalizing the build of new devices up until 6-8 weeks before launch date. So once a product is finalized they start building them. They only have 'X' amount of time to build as many as possible. That number has never and will never be big enough to meet the initial demand. Unless you as an investor would like them to build more factories to cover than first big rush of demand and then a month later when the demand starts to slow down they'll have a factory sitting empty doing nothing.
 
How much of the 16 gb is taken up from the OS? I only ask because I have a 16gb iPhone and have plenty of room. I have music on mine but use my nano in the car and on bike rides and not my phone. I would probably buy Pages for the iPad when I get it, I have a copy for my MacBook Pro, I think I will have to buy one for the iPad, so documents and such will be in iPad (not much room for them though).

I guess my main use for it will be so I don't have to carry my computer around. So watching movies, listening to music is not on my list of priorities.

 
Why is it every time they release a product:1. Infrastructure can't hold up to the traffic?2. Confusion on ordering statuses?3. They "sell out" of their pre-order stock? I'm not even sure how you sell out of something that doesn't exist to begin with.As a shareholder, I'd like to see them clean this stuff up, especially #3. They need better forecasters in place. People will only believe the "off the charts" spin for so long.
1. Do you know any other e-tailer that has ever had to deal with the amount of traffic Apple deals with in the first few days of a product launch? 2. First I'm hearing about this. On these boards everyone seems to have been able to track their orders.3. They are probably still finalizing the build of new devices up until 6-8 weeks before launch date. So once a product is finalized they start building them. They only have 'X' amount of time to build as many as possible. That number has never and will never be big enough to meet the initial demand. Unless you as an investor would like them to build more factories to cover than first big rush of demand and then a month later when the demand starts to slow down they'll have a factory sitting empty doing nothing.
What does your response to #1 have to do with anything? They know what their traffic was in the past. They should make accommodations going forward. It has nothing to do with other companies. Exmaple....when the market crashed in 2008, our authentication site crashed with it because we had quadruple the highest activity we had ever had prior to that. As a result, we raised our high water mark. We invested in infrastructure to handle 250,000 logins an hour instead of 65000 logins an hour. We may never hit that again, but we know it's a level we can handle if we have an event that DOES generate that kind of traffic.Oh, and before the fanboys get their panties in a bunch, I'm not ripping on Apple as a company. I just think it's inefficient and costs money to not address things like this. That costs me money.
 
Anyone interested in buying a practically new iPad2? We bought one last year and it's literally been used a handful of times, and has otherwise sat and collected dust. It's this one:White iPad2 16GB Wifi only; also with the Apple magnetic smart case (grey) which I'll throw in freeLooks like they're going for $360-380 or so on eBay, but if I can sell to a FBG and give someone here a deal on it, I wouldn't mind. What's a fair FBG discount? $325? $300 and you pay shipping? Whatever is fair, just let me know -- if nobody here is interested I'll post it up on eBay, but figured I'd give my good ibuddies a shot first.OT
With 16 GB, how much real functional storage is that? I only have a Nano so I don't have any idea how much space is taken up by apps and such. I'm assuming if I use handbrake I can get movies down to maybe 1GB or so? How much of the 16 GB is eaten up by the iOS? How's real world batter life on it?Also, my wife might like something like this but I believe I've seen people note something in this thread (or others) to the effect of not being able to do multi-tabbed browsing on an iPad. Is this correct?
Re: your first question, not sure I can say. I have 8GB storage on my iPhone and it's filled up -- wish I had 16.Re: the second, you can do multi-tab browsing. I use Atomic browser on all my iOS devices and love it.
I use Atomic Browser on occasion, but safari will also do tabbed browsing on the ipad - not on the iphone
I use Dolphin HD which has tabs. Haven't used Atomic yet.
 
Why is it every time they release a product:1. Infrastructure can't hold up to the traffic?2. Confusion on ordering statuses?3. They "sell out" of their pre-order stock? I'm not even sure how you sell out of something that doesn't exist to begin with.As a shareholder, I'd like to see them clean this stuff up, especially #3. They need better forecasters in place. People will only believe the "off the charts" spin for so long.
1. Do you know any other e-tailer that has ever had to deal with the amount of traffic Apple deals with in the first few days of a product launch? 2. First I'm hearing about this. On these boards everyone seems to have been able to track their orders.3. They are probably still finalizing the build of new devices up until 6-8 weeks before launch date. So once a product is finalized they start building them. They only have 'X' amount of time to build as many as possible. That number has never and will never be big enough to meet the initial demand. Unless you as an investor would like them to build more factories to cover than first big rush of demand and then a month later when the demand starts to slow down they'll have a factory sitting empty doing nothing.
What does your response to #1 have to do with anything? They know what their traffic was in the past. They should make accommodations going forward. It has nothing to do with other companies. Exmaple....when the market crashed in 2008, our authentication site crashed with it because we had quadruple the highest activity we had ever had prior to that. As a result, we raised our high water mark. We invested in infrastructure to handle 250,000 logins an hour instead of 65000 logins an hour. We may never hit that again, but we know it's a level we can handle if we have an event that DOES generate that kind of traffic.Oh, and before the fanboys get their panties in a bunch, I'm not ripping on Apple as a company. I just think it's inefficient and costs money to not address things like this. That costs me money.
It doesn't make any sense for apple to invest in the infrastructure to be able to manufacture enough of these things on launch and then have that infrastructure sit useless after the initial bubble. Manufacturing equipment is EXPENSIVE and for something like this, complicated, you can't just have it sitting unused after that initial rush.
 
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Why is it every time they release a product:1. Infrastructure can't hold up to the traffic?2. Confusion on ordering statuses?3. They "sell out" of their pre-order stock? I'm not even sure how you sell out of something that doesn't exist to begin with.As a shareholder, I'd like to see them clean this stuff up, especially #3. They need better forecasters in place. People will only believe the "off the charts" spin for so long.
1. Do you know any other e-tailer that has ever had to deal with the amount of traffic Apple deals with in the first few days of a product launch? 2. First I'm hearing about this. On these boards everyone seems to have been able to track their orders.3. They are probably still finalizing the build of new devices up until 6-8 weeks before launch date. So once a product is finalized they start building them. They only have 'X' amount of time to build as many as possible. That number has never and will never be big enough to meet the initial demand. Unless you as an investor would like them to build more factories to cover than first big rush of demand and then a month later when the demand starts to slow down they'll have a factory sitting empty doing nothing.
What does your response to #1 have to do with anything? They know what their traffic was in the past. They should make accommodations going forward. It has nothing to do with other companies. Exmaple....when the market crashed in 2008, our authentication site crashed with it because we had quadruple the highest activity we had ever had prior to that. As a result, we raised our high water mark. We invested in infrastructure to handle 250,000 logins an hour instead of 65000 logins an hour. We may never hit that again, but we know it's a level we can handle if we have an event that DOES generate that kind of traffic.Oh, and before the fanboys get their panties in a bunch, I'm not ripping on Apple as a company. I just think it's inefficient and costs money to not address things like this. That costs me money.
I think the model you are proposing would be less efficient and cost Apple and it's shareholders even more money. Just my :2cents:
 
Why is it every time they release a product:1. Infrastructure can't hold up to the traffic?2. Confusion on ordering statuses?3. They "sell out" of their pre-order stock? I'm not even sure how you sell out of something that doesn't exist to begin with.As a shareholder, I'd like to see them clean this stuff up, especially #3. They need better forecasters in place. People will only believe the "off the charts" spin for so long.
1. Do you know any other e-tailer that has ever had to deal with the amount of traffic Apple deals with in the first few days of a product launch? 2. First I'm hearing about this. On these boards everyone seems to have been able to track their orders.3. They are probably still finalizing the build of new devices up until 6-8 weeks before launch date. So once a product is finalized they start building them. They only have 'X' amount of time to build as many as possible. That number has never and will never be big enough to meet the initial demand. Unless you as an investor would like them to build more factories to cover than first big rush of demand and then a month later when the demand starts to slow down they'll have a factory sitting empty doing nothing.
What does your response to #1 have to do with anything? They know what their traffic was in the past. They should make accommodations going forward. It has nothing to do with other companies. Exmaple....when the market crashed in 2008, our authentication site crashed with it because we had quadruple the highest activity we had ever had prior to that. As a result, we raised our high water mark. We invested in infrastructure to handle 250,000 logins an hour instead of 65000 logins an hour. We may never hit that again, but we know it's a level we can handle if we have an event that DOES generate that kind of traffic.Oh, and before the fanboys get their panties in a bunch, I'm not ripping on Apple as a company. I just think it's inefficient and costs money to not address things like this. That costs me money.
It doesn't make any sense for apple to invest in the infrastructure to be able to manufacture enough of these things on launch and then have that infrastructure sit useless after the initial bubble. Manufacturing equipment is EXPENSIVE and for something like this, complicated, you can't just have it sitting unused after that initial rush.
I assume they use Apple products for their infrastructure, but I'm not certain. On a Linux env, it's a minimal cost compared to what it could cost you in business. It's not expensive. Would you spend $25,000 - $50,000 to guarantee that you'll continue to receive $2-3 million in revenues? We did.
 
Why is it every time they release a product:1. Infrastructure can't hold up to the traffic?2. Confusion on ordering statuses?3. They "sell out" of their pre-order stock? I'm not even sure how you sell out of something that doesn't exist to begin with.As a shareholder, I'd like to see them clean this stuff up, especially #3. They need better forecasters in place. People will only believe the "off the charts" spin for so long.
1. Do you know any other e-tailer that has ever had to deal with the amount of traffic Apple deals with in the first few days of a product launch? 2. First I'm hearing about this. On these boards everyone seems to have been able to track their orders.3. They are probably still finalizing the build of new devices up until 6-8 weeks before launch date. So once a product is finalized they start building them. They only have 'X' amount of time to build as many as possible. That number has never and will never be big enough to meet the initial demand. Unless you as an investor would like them to build more factories to cover than first big rush of demand and then a month later when the demand starts to slow down they'll have a factory sitting empty doing nothing.
What does your response to #1 have to do with anything? They know what their traffic was in the past. They should make accommodations going forward. It has nothing to do with other companies. Exmaple....when the market crashed in 2008, our authentication site crashed with it because we had quadruple the highest activity we had ever had prior to that. As a result, we raised our high water mark. We invested in infrastructure to handle 250,000 logins an hour instead of 65000 logins an hour. We may never hit that again, but we know it's a level we can handle if we have an event that DOES generate that kind of traffic.Oh, and before the fanboys get their panties in a bunch, I'm not ripping on Apple as a company. I just think it's inefficient and costs money to not address things like this. That costs me money.
I think the model you are proposing would be less efficient and cost Apple and it's shareholders even more money. Just my :2cents:
Then I give them more credit than I should.
 
I think the main mistake they made here was not pricing each of these +$100. I think there must have been some concern that with a $300 delta between J2 and the Ipad2 they would have had supply issues on the ipad2 perhaps.

Really, there should not be any fear of market share collapse with the tablets on the horizon. The only real threat as it were is the win8 tabs and they are a ways off.

 
Why is it every time they release a product:1. Infrastructure can't hold up to the traffic?2. Confusion on ordering statuses?3. They "sell out" of their pre-order stock? I'm not even sure how you sell out of something that doesn't exist to begin with.As a shareholder, I'd like to see them clean this stuff up, especially #3. They need better forecasters in place. People will only believe the "off the charts" spin for so long.
1. Do you know any other e-tailer that has ever had to deal with the amount of traffic Apple deals with in the first few days of a product launch? 2. First I'm hearing about this. On these boards everyone seems to have been able to track their orders.3. They are probably still finalizing the build of new devices up until 6-8 weeks before launch date. So once a product is finalized they start building them. They only have 'X' amount of time to build as many as possible. That number has never and will never be big enough to meet the initial demand. Unless you as an investor would like them to build more factories to cover than first big rush of demand and then a month later when the demand starts to slow down they'll have a factory sitting empty doing nothing.
What does your response to #1 have to do with anything? They know what their traffic was in the past. They should make accommodations going forward. It has nothing to do with other companies. Exmaple....when the market crashed in 2008, our authentication site crashed with it because we had quadruple the highest activity we had ever had prior to that. As a result, we raised our high water mark. We invested in infrastructure to handle 250,000 logins an hour instead of 65000 logins an hour. We may never hit that again, but we know it's a level we can handle if we have an event that DOES generate that kind of traffic.Oh, and before the fanboys get their panties in a bunch, I'm not ripping on Apple as a company. I just think it's inefficient and costs money to not address things like this. That costs me money.
It doesn't make any sense for apple to invest in the infrastructure to be able to manufacture enough of these things on launch and then have that infrastructure sit useless after the initial bubble. Manufacturing equipment is EXPENSIVE and for something like this, complicated, you can't just have it sitting unused after that initial rush.
I assume they use Apple products for their infrastructure, but I'm not certain. On a Linux env, it's a minimal cost compared to what it could cost you in business. It's not expensive. Would you spend $25,000 - $50,000 to guarantee that you'll continue to receive $2-3 million in revenues? We did.
25-50k? that buys you nothing...you're talking about millions of dollars in equipment. Ipads(and pretty much all electronics) have to be built in clean room conditions, dust free environments. We're talking about almost medical grade stuff, it's not just a switch you can flip. You build a manufacturing line that makes these parts, that line can only produce so many parts. Each of these lines is millions of dollars in equipment, it's not like your software problem.
 
Do you want to go to the club that has a lot of hype, and a long line outside to get in? Or, a regular club with no waiting line, or cover charge to get in? There is room in the market for both. But I think Apple prefers the aura of being "hard-to-get", which adds to the hype, which drives sales beyond the initial launch.

The initial launch buyers are fanboys, and early adopters, who will sing the praises, and others who were on the fence will want to be part of the trendy club. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

 
Why is it every time they release a product:

1. Infrastructure can't hold up to the traffic?

2. Confusion on ordering statuses?

3. They "sell out" of their pre-order stock? I'm not even sure how you sell out of something that doesn't exist to begin with.

As a shareholder, I'd like to see them clean this stuff up, especially #3. They need better forecasters in place. People will only believe the "off the charts" spin for so long.
1. Do you know any other e-tailer that has ever had to deal with the amount of traffic Apple deals with in the first few days of a product launch? 2. First I'm hearing about this. On these boards everyone seems to have been able to track their orders.

3. They are probably still finalizing the build of new devices up until 6-8 weeks before launch date. So once a product is finalized they start building them. They only have 'X' amount of time to build as many as possible. That number has never and will never be big enough to meet the initial demand. Unless you as an investor would like them to build more factories to cover than first big rush of demand and then a month later when the demand starts to slow down they'll have a factory sitting empty doing nothing.
What does your response to #1 have to do with anything? They know what their traffic was in the past. They should make accommodations going forward. It has nothing to do with other companies. Exmaple....when the market crashed in 2008, our authentication site crashed with it because we had quadruple the highest activity we had ever had prior to that. As a result, we raised our high water mark. We invested in infrastructure to handle 250,000 logins an hour instead of 65000 logins an hour. We may never hit that again, but we know it's a level we can handle if we have an event that DOES generate that kind of traffic.Oh, and before the fanboys get their panties in a bunch, I'm not ripping on Apple as a company. I just think it's inefficient and costs money to not address things like this. That costs me money.
It doesn't make any sense for apple to invest in the infrastructure to be able to manufacture enough of these things on launch and then have that infrastructure sit useless after the initial bubble. Manufacturing equipment is EXPENSIVE and for something like this, complicated, you can't just have it sitting unused after that initial rush.
I assume they use Apple products for their infrastructure, but I'm not certain. On a Linux env, it's a minimal cost compared to what it could cost you in business. It's not expensive. Would you spend $25,000 - $50,000 to guarantee that you'll continue to receive $2-3 million in revenues? We did.
25-50k? that buys you nothing...you're talking about millions of dollars in equipment. Ipads(and pretty much all electronics) have to be built in clean room conditions, dust free environments. We're talking about almost medical grade stuff, it's not just a switch you can flip. You build a manufacturing line that makes these parts, that line can only produce so many parts. Each of these lines is millions of dollars in equipment, it's not like your software problem.
We are? I'm talking about adding another 1-2 app servers and the same amount of web servers. It won't take much. Read my post. I am talking about the ordering side of this...not the manufacturing. Their websites always seem to go down or become incredibly slow. That's the infrastructure I am talking about. Not the assembly lines. On that side, it's easy enough to start manufacturing earlier to accommodate, but I understand exactly why they under produce. I don't have a problem with that part.
 
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Why is it every time they release a product:

1. Infrastructure can't hold up to the traffic?

2. Confusion on ordering statuses?

3. They "sell out" of their pre-order stock? I'm not even sure how you sell out of something that doesn't exist to begin with.

As a shareholder, I'd like to see them clean this stuff up, especially #3. They need better forecasters in place. People will only believe the "off the charts" spin for so long.
1. Do you know any other e-tailer that has ever had to deal with the amount of traffic Apple deals with in the first few days of a product launch? 2. First I'm hearing about this. On these boards everyone seems to have been able to track their orders.

3. They are probably still finalizing the build of new devices up until 6-8 weeks before launch date. So once a product is finalized they start building them. They only have 'X' amount of time to build as many as possible. That number has never and will never be big enough to meet the initial demand. Unless you as an investor would like them to build more factories to cover than first big rush of demand and then a month later when the demand starts to slow down they'll have a factory sitting empty doing nothing.
What does your response to #1 have to do with anything? They know what their traffic was in the past. They should make accommodations going forward. It has nothing to do with other companies. Exmaple....when the market crashed in 2008, our authentication site crashed with it because we had quadruple the highest activity we had ever had prior to that. As a result, we raised our high water mark. We invested in infrastructure to handle 250,000 logins an hour instead of 65000 logins an hour. We may never hit that again, but we know it's a level we can handle if we have an event that DOES generate that kind of traffic.Oh, and before the fanboys get their panties in a bunch, I'm not ripping on Apple as a company. I just think it's inefficient and costs money to not address things like this. That costs me money.
It doesn't make any sense for apple to invest in the infrastructure to be able to manufacture enough of these things on launch and then have that infrastructure sit useless after the initial bubble. Manufacturing equipment is EXPENSIVE and for something like this, complicated, you can't just have it sitting unused after that initial rush.
I assume they use Apple products for their infrastructure, but I'm not certain. On a Linux env, it's a minimal cost compared to what it could cost you in business. It's not expensive. Would you spend $25,000 - $50,000 to guarantee that you'll continue to receive $2-3 million in revenues? We did.
25-50k? that buys you nothing...you're talking about millions of dollars in equipment. Ipads(and pretty much all electronics) have to be built in clean room conditions, dust free environments. We're talking about almost medical grade stuff, it's not just a switch you can flip. You build a manufacturing line that makes these parts, that line can only produce so many parts. Each of these lines is millions of dollars in equipment, it's not like your software problem.
We are? I'm talking about adding another 1-2 app servers and the same amount of web servers. It won't take much. Read my post. I am talking about the ordering side of this...not the manufacturing.
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Why is it every time they release a product:

1. Infrastructure can't hold up to the traffic?

2. Confusion on ordering statuses?

3. They "sell out" of their pre-order stock? I'm not even sure how you sell out of something that doesn't exist to begin with.

As a shareholder, I'd like to see them clean this stuff up, especially #3. They need better forecasters in place. People will only believe the "off the charts" spin for so long.
1. Do you know any other e-tailer that has ever had to deal with the amount of traffic Apple deals with in the first few days of a product launch? 2. First I'm hearing about this. On these boards everyone seems to have been able to track their orders.

3. They are probably still finalizing the build of new devices up until 6-8 weeks before launch date. So once a product is finalized they start building them. They only have 'X' amount of time to build as many as possible. That number has never and will never be big enough to meet the initial demand. Unless you as an investor would like them to build more factories to cover than first big rush of demand and then a month later when the demand starts to slow down they'll have a factory sitting empty doing nothing.
What does your response to #1 have to do with anything? They know what their traffic was in the past. They should make accommodations going forward. It has nothing to do with other companies. Exmaple....when the market crashed in 2008, our authentication site crashed with it because we had quadruple the highest activity we had ever had prior to that. As a result, we raised our high water mark. We invested in infrastructure to handle 250,000 logins an hour instead of 65000 logins an hour. We may never hit that again, but we know it's a level we can handle if we have an event that DOES generate that kind of traffic.Oh, and before the fanboys get their panties in a bunch, I'm not ripping on Apple as a company. I just think it's inefficient and costs money to not address things like this. That costs me money.
It doesn't make any sense for apple to invest in the infrastructure to be able to manufacture enough of these things on launch and then have that infrastructure sit useless after the initial bubble. Manufacturing equipment is EXPENSIVE and for something like this, complicated, you can't just have it sitting unused after that initial rush.
I assume they use Apple products for their infrastructure, but I'm not certain. On a Linux env, it's a minimal cost compared to what it could cost you in business. It's not expensive. Would you spend $25,000 - $50,000 to guarantee that you'll continue to receive $2-3 million in revenues? We did.
25-50k? that buys you nothing...you're talking about millions of dollars in equipment. Ipads(and pretty much all electronics) have to be built in clean room conditions, dust free environments. We're talking about almost medical grade stuff, it's not just a switch you can flip. You build a manufacturing line that makes these parts, that line can only produce so many parts. Each of these lines is millions of dollars in equipment, it's not like your software problem.
We are? I'm talking about adding another 1-2 app servers and the same amount of web servers. It won't take much. Read my post. I am talking about the ordering side of this...not the manufacturing.
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As I re-read it, I can see I wasn't as clear as I thought I was, so for that I apologize. No worries :hifive:
 
Why is it every time they release a product:

1. Infrastructure can't hold up to the traffic?

2. Confusion on ordering statuses?

3. They "sell out" of their pre-order stock? I'm not even sure how you sell out of something that doesn't exist to begin with.

As a shareholder, I'd like to see them clean this stuff up, especially #3. They need better forecasters in place. People will only believe the "off the charts" spin for so long.
1. Do you know any other e-tailer that has ever had to deal with the amount of traffic Apple deals with in the first few days of a product launch? 2. First I'm hearing about this. On these boards everyone seems to have been able to track their orders.

3. They are probably still finalizing the build of new devices up until 6-8 weeks before launch date. So once a product is finalized they start building them. They only have 'X' amount of time to build as many as possible. That number has never and will never be big enough to meet the initial demand. Unless you as an investor would like them to build more factories to cover than first big rush of demand and then a month later when the demand starts to slow down they'll have a factory sitting empty doing nothing.
What does your response to #1 have to do with anything? They know what their traffic was in the past. They should make accommodations going forward. It has nothing to do with other companies. Exmaple....when the market crashed in 2008, our authentication site crashed with it because we had quadruple the highest activity we had ever had prior to that. As a result, we raised our high water mark. We invested in infrastructure to handle 250,000 logins an hour instead of 65000 logins an hour. We may never hit that again, but we know it's a level we can handle if we have an event that DOES generate that kind of traffic.Oh, and before the fanboys get their panties in a bunch, I'm not ripping on Apple as a company. I just think it's inefficient and costs money to not address things like this. That costs me money.
It doesn't make any sense for apple to invest in the infrastructure to be able to manufacture enough of these things on launch and then have that infrastructure sit useless after the initial bubble. Manufacturing equipment is EXPENSIVE and for something like this, complicated, you can't just have it sitting unused after that initial rush.
I assume they use Apple products for their infrastructure, but I'm not certain. On a Linux env, it's a minimal cost compared to what it could cost you in business. It's not expensive. Would you spend $25,000 - $50,000 to guarantee that you'll continue to receive $2-3 million in revenues? We did.
This is where you lost both of us. His post was about manufacturing and you responded with an answer about ordering, but never clarified which infrastructure you were talking about.I can agree with your point about the ordering process.

 
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Rude, my wife's iPad OG has been dropped, walked on, thrown up on, basketballs dropped on it, keys dropped on it - you name it. When she takes 30 seconds to wipe it clean it looks brand new after 2 years of hard use.Screen is virtually unscratchable.
I dropped my phone and the screen shattered into a million pieces. Just giving a flip side
 
I've seen people note something in this thread (or others) to the effect of not being able to do multi-tabbed browsing on an iPad. Is this correct?
You can do it, but its very clunky. You either use a browser like atomic with a limited cache and at most you can have 4-5 tabs work reliably without crashing. Or you can use a browser like safari, which essentially has unlimited tabs - but they refresh the tab each time you switch between them.
 
Rude, my wife's iPad OG has been dropped, walked on, thrown up on, basketballs dropped on it, keys dropped on it - you name it. When she takes 30 seconds to wipe it clean it looks brand new after 2 years of hard use.Screen is virtually unscratchable.
I dropped my phone and the screen shattered into a million pieces. Just giving a flip side
Definitely. In full disclosure, virtually all of my townhouse is carpeted, so I haven't experienced any drops on hardwood, concrete, or tile.
 
Rude, my wife's iPad OG has been dropped, walked on, thrown up on, basketballs dropped on it, keys dropped on it - you name it. When she takes 30 seconds to wipe it clean it looks brand new after 2 years of hard use.Screen is virtually unscratchable.
I dropped my phone and the screen shattered into a million pieces. Just giving a flip side
Definitely. In full disclosure, virtually all of my townhouse is carpeted, so I haven't experienced any drops on hardwood, concrete, or tile.
then why are you telling people it's been dropped and is indestructible?dropping on carpet? seriously?pretty sure my first iphone dropped on concrete and took a nice scratch before I killed it in water. don't think a screen protector would help, but cases are definitely useful.
 
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Several times I've dropped my ipad a few inches onto my down comforter laden bed and it still looks brand new.

 
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I hate console or arcade type games on my iPhone though. Angry Birds, Fruit Ninja, stuff like that works great. But things that have the touch screen joystick or control pad? I hate that.
I agree. But they are hinting at the future, where you could stream your ipad to your tv wirelessly and I assume use some type of controller as well.
That sounds like Nintendo's next gen concept.
 
I hate console or arcade type games on my iPhone though. Angry Birds, Fruit Ninja, stuff like that works great. But things that have the touch screen joystick or control pad? I hate that.
This is one area where Android > iOS. The ability to plug controllers into your tablet via USB is a fantastic feature. iOS will have to adopt it at some point.
Apple doesn't adopt.
 

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