Iran -- Deal Reached! (1 Viewer)

[Hang 10]

No matter what, Iran gets all they ever wanted with this deal and we get jack ####. They get the sanctions lifted and they will continue to finance terrorism and continue to work on a bomb. And they also know that the guy in the white house isn't going to do a thing about it. Yeah, it's a fantastic deal.

 

[cstu]

No matter what, Iran gets all they ever wanted with this deal and we get jack ####. They get the sanctions lifted and they will continue to finance terrorism and continue to work on a bomb. And they also know that the guy in the white house isn't going to do a thing about it. Yeah, it's a fantastic deal.

I can't wait for Iran to get nukes and then laugh about you when nothing happens.

 

[cstu]

But that being said Homer, I don't think we have anything to worry about. It seems pretty clear to me that Schumer's defection, which pleases his constituents, was made public with the knowledge that there won't be enough votes to override the veto.

Funny, that suggests there are congressmen who would vote against either out of conviction or in compliance with their constituents' wishes if they could.

Crazy way to run a country, Congressmen voting for something they think is either wrong or against the popular will.

Maybe, but it's worked for about 240 years now.

You guys actually believe the will of the constituents have any bearing on how these guys vote?

Umm, yes? They vote based on the only thing they care about - getting re-elected.

 

[Short Corner]

But that being said Homer, I don't think we have anything to worry about. It seems pretty clear to me that Schumer's defection, which pleases his constituents, was made public with the knowledge that there won't be enough votes to override the veto.

Funny, that suggests there are congressmen who would vote against either out of conviction or in compliance with their constituents' wishes if they could.

Crazy way to run a country, Congressmen voting for something they think is either wrong or against the popular will.

Maybe, but it's worked for about 240 years now.

You guys actually believe the will of the constituents have any bearing on how these guys vote?

Umm, yes? They vote based on the only thing they care about - getting re-elected.

 

[Hang 10]

No matter what, Iran gets all they ever wanted with this deal and we get jack ####. They get the sanctions lifted and they will continue to finance terrorism and continue to work on a bomb. And they also know that the guy in the white house isn't going to do a thing about it. Yeah, it's a fantastic deal.

I can't wait for Iran to get nukes

No wonder you're such a big fan of the deal.

 

[cstu]

I also think that the Iranians - with Obama (sorry yes) - have accomplished something previously unthinkable - they have driven a wedge between the US and our ally Israel, and between the President and the American people (yes look at the polls), between American Jews and the Democratic leadership, and even between wings of the Democratic Party itself (which again just happens to be Jewish). It's really something, but yes as the end result of all you say I have to agree with you, all this, this position we have been stuck in, leaves us with no choice. And in fact this choice may bring us closer to war and a more dangerous one than what was previously possible. Or it may not. But yes we almost certainly have to approve it now, it is what it is.

This deal may bring us closer to war (if the Iranians don't comply) but the alternative of eventually going to war without giving them a chance isn't a good solution either. This is Iran's test for them to pass or fail.

 

[cstu]

No matter what, Iran gets all they ever wanted with this deal and we get jack ####. They get the sanctions lifted and they will continue to finance terrorism and continue to work on a bomb. And they also know that the guy in the white house isn't going to do a thing about it. Yeah, it's a fantastic deal.

I can't wait for Iran to get nukes

No wonder you're such a big fan of the deal.

I'm one of the few here that realizes nothing changes the day Iran gets nukes - just as nothing changed when North Korea and Pakistan got nukes.

 

[Hang 10]

No matter what, Iran gets all they ever wanted with this deal and we get jack ####. They get the sanctions lifted and they will continue to finance terrorism and continue to work on a bomb. And they also know that the guy in the white house isn't going to do a thing about it. Yeah, it's a fantastic deal.

I can't wait for Iran to get nukes

No wonder you're such a big fan of the deal.

I'm one of the few here that realizes nothing changes the day Iran gets nukes - just as nothing changed when North Korea and Pakistan got nukes.

If that's your position, then why did we have to do anything? Why give them billions when they are going to use it to terrorize our friends in the region?

 

[Homer J Simpson]

No matter what, Iran gets all they ever wanted with this deal and we get jack ####. They get the sanctions lifted and they will continue to finance terrorism and continue to work on a bomb. And they also know that the guy in the white house isn't going to do a thing about it. Yeah, it's a fantastic deal.

I can't wait for Iran to get nukes

No wonder you're such a big fan of the deal.

I'm one of the few here that realizes nothing changes the day Iran gets nukes - just as nothing changed when North Korea and Pakistan got nukes.

If that's your position, then why did we have to do anything? Why give them billions when they are going to use it to terrorize our friends in the region?

We're not giving them billions.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Homer dominating in here, carry on soldier.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

I also think that the Iranians - with Obama (sorry yes) - have accomplished something previously unthinkable - they have driven a wedge between the US and our ally Israel, and between the President and the American people (yes look at the polls), between American Jews and the Democratic leadership, and even between wings of the Democratic Party itself (which again just happens to be Jewish). It's really something, but yes as the end result of all you say I have to agree with you, all this, this position we have been stuck in, leaves us with no choice. And in fact this choice may bring us closer to war and a more dangerous one than what was previously possible. Or it may not. But yes we almost certainly have to approve it now, it is what it is.

This deal may bring us closer to war (if the Iranians don't comply) but the alternative of eventually going to war without giving them a chance isn't a good solution either. This is Iran's test for them to pass or fail.

If they #### this up, not even Russia and China will be able to back them up. This asgrrement gives us total control over whether Iran is living up to their end of the deal.

 

[timschochet]

Watching Obama's demeanor, I get the strong feeling that all of this is show: the Schumer defection, the amount of money being spent to fight this, etc.

I think this is a done deal, and everybody in Washington knows it.

 

[cstu]

No matter what, Iran gets all they ever wanted with this deal and we get jack ####. They get the sanctions lifted and they will continue to finance terrorism and continue to work on a bomb. And they also know that the guy in the white house isn't going to do a thing about it. Yeah, it's a fantastic deal.

I can't wait for Iran to get nukes

No wonder you're such a big fan of the deal.

I'm one of the few here that realizes nothing changes the day Iran gets nukes - just as nothing changed when North Korea and Pakistan got nukes.

If that's your position, then why did we have to do anything? Why give them billions when they are going to use it to terrorize our friends in the region?

The reason we did this is that there's no long-term hope of friendly relations with Iran if sanctions continued.

We didn't give them anything, they got their own billions back.

We helped Israel build the Iron Dome so they have little to be concerned with from missile attacks. Besides, it's time for a two state solution so we can put this mess in the past.

 

[higgins]

No matter what, Iran gets all they ever wanted with this deal and we get jack ####. They get the sanctions lifted and they will continue to finance terrorism and continue to work on a bomb. And they also know that the guy in the white house isn't going to do a thing about it. Yeah, it's a fantastic deal.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and, yet, you've tthought yourself into a paper bag/frenzy. I'm as militarily a righty on these boards that there is but the degree to which you mindlessly echo faux news talking points like an unthinking automaton drone fascinates even me - fascinating.

 

[Rove!]

So I'm sitting here trying to think of the worst foreign policy decisions in our nation's history.

1. Number one with a bullet is the War of 1812 and frankly that one is gonna be tough to beat.

2. Basically every decision involved with Vietnam was pretty horrible, so we're gonna call that Number Two...

3. Although the invasion of Iraq in 2003 is sniffing right on the VC's pajama-clad bunghole and oh my Jebus, it should have been so easy to see.

If this deal gets shot down, that decision is easily sliding into the 4 spot with an immediate potential to be #1. I'm genuinely baffled by anyone that is against it. Because even if Iran sh%ts all over the deal and renegs in six months, we're still in a better position than we are right now. Whereas if we are the only nation in the world (besides Israel) that is against it, we will pretty much stand alone facing another war in the Middle East.

Count me as putting that decision solidly at #2 in the list above.

I'm going to go with arming ISIS as number 3Not renewing our forces agreement as 4

 

[Hang 10]

No matter what, Iran gets all they ever wanted with this deal and we get jack ####. They get the sanctions lifted and they will continue to finance terrorism and continue to work on a bomb. And they also know that the guy in the white house isn't going to do a thing about it. Yeah, it's a fantastic deal.

I can't wait for Iran to get nukes

No wonder you're such a big fan of the deal.

I'm one of the few here that realizes nothing changes the day Iran gets nukes - just as nothing changed when North Korea and Pakistan got nukes.

If that's your position, then why did we have to do anything? Why give them billions when they are going to use it to terrorize our friends in the region?

We're not giving them billions.

Semantics. We are allowing billions to flow back to their economy.

 

[Hang 10]

No matter what, Iran gets all they ever wanted with this deal and we get jack ####. They get the sanctions lifted and they will continue to finance terrorism and continue to work on a bomb. And they also know that the guy in the white house isn't going to do a thing about it. Yeah, it's a fantastic deal.

I can't wait for Iran to get nukes

No wonder you're such a big fan of the deal.

I'm one of the few here that realizes nothing changes the day Iran gets nukes - just as nothing changed when North Korea and Pakistan got nukes.

If that's your position, then why did we have to do anything? Why give them billions when they are going to use it to terrorize our friends in the region?

The reason we did this is that there's no long-term hope of friendly relations with Iran if sanctions continued.

We didn't give them anything, they got their own billions back.

We helped Israel build the Iron Dome so they have little to be concerned with from missile attacks. Besides, it's time for a two state solution so we can put this mess in the past.

What kind of hope do we have of friendly relations with them when their supreme leader chants death to America, they won't release our hostages and the continue to be the largest state sponsor of terrorism?

 

[Daywalker]

Isn't the 100-150bill Iran's money to begin with?

 

[Widbil83]

Lurch says the US Dollar will be hurt if you don't approve of his deal-

"If we turn around and nix the deal and then tell them, ‘You’re going to have to obey our rule and sanctions anyway,’ that is a recipe, very quickly…for the American dollar to cease to be the reserve currency of the world,” Kerry told Reuters"

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/08/11/kerry-dollar-could-suffer-if-no-iran-deal.html?source=socialflow&via=twitter_page&template=cheat&account=thedailybeast&medium=twitter

 

[cstu]

What kind of hope do we have of friendly relations with them when their supreme leader chants death to America, they won't release our hostages and the continue to be the largest state sponsor of terrorism?

Supreme Leaders die.

 

[3C's]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/12/world/middleeast/head-of-group-opposing-iran-accord-quits-post-saying-he-backs-deal.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/retired-generals-and-admirals-back-iran-nuclear-deal/2015/08/11/bd26f6ae-4045-11e5-bfe3-ff1d8549bfd2_story.html

 

[higgins]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/12/world/middleeast/head-of-group-opposing-iran-accord-quits-post-saying-he-backs-deal.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/retired-generals-and-admirals-back-iran-nuclear-deal/2015/08/11/bd26f6ae-4045-11e5-bfe3-ff1d8549bfd2_story.html

Any response to the above by those against?

 

[timschochet]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/12/world/middleeast/head-of-group-opposing-iran-accord-quits-post-saying-he-backs-deal.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/retired-generals-and-admirals-back-iran-nuclear-deal/2015/08/11/bd26f6ae-4045-11e5-bfe3-ff1d8549bfd2_story.html

Any response to the above by those against?

Did you read the comments? They're pretty ugly, calling these guys names and suggesting they ought to be court-martialed for treason, etc.

People don't want to listen to reason on this issue.

 

[Widbil83]

Lurch says the US Dollar will be hurt if you don't approve of his deal-

"If we turn around and nix the deal and then tell them, ‘You’re going to have to obey our rule and sanctions anyway,’ that is a recipe, very quickly…for the American dollar to cease to be the reserve currency of the world,” Kerry told Reuters"

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/08/11/kerry-dollar-could-suffer-if-no-iran-deal.html?source=socialflow&via=twitter_page&template=cheat&account=thedailybeast&medium=twitter

Can any Iran deal backers unpack why the dollar would cease as a world currency if this deal doesn't go forward?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I bet a lot of Israeli and Saudi money is finding its way onto Capitol Hill these days.

Also the supreme leader is against this deal, so....

 

[The Commish]

I bet a lot of Israeli and Saudi money is finding its way onto Capitol Hill these days.

Also the supreme leader is against this deal, so....

Genuine question, not meant to be smartassish.....but does this really matter? Wouldn't he be against any deal that was anything but letting Iran do as it pleases?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I bet a lot of Israeli and Saudi money is finding its way onto Capitol Hill these days.

Also the supreme leader is against this deal, so....

Genuine question, not meant to be smartassish.....but does this really matter? Wouldn't he be against any deal that was anything but letting Iran do as it pleases?

Just like the crazy right wingers and the pro-Israeli crowd I suppose.

It certainly doesn't matter to me.

 

[Short Corner]

Lurch says the US Dollar will be hurt if you don't approve of his deal-

"If we turn around and nix the deal and then tell them, ‘You’re going to have to obey our rule and sanctions anyway,’ that is a recipe, very quickly…for the American dollar to cease to be the reserve currency of the world,” Kerry told Reuters"

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/08/11/kerry-dollar-could-suffer-if-no-iran-deal.html?source=socialflow&via=twitter_page&template=cheat&account=thedailybeast&medium=twitter

Can any Iran deal backers unpack why the dollar would cease as a world currency if this deal doesn't go forward?

Because Iran would eventually sell its oil for a non-USD currency.

Saddam and Khaddafi were the last ones to try this.

 

[Daywalker]

Is the stance to any country, we will destroy you economically and if all fails militarily if you try to produce a nuclear bomb?

Friend of foe?

 

[Rove!]

Lurch says the US Dollar will be hurt if you don't approve of his deal-

"If we turn around and nix the deal and then tell them, ‘You’re going to have to obey our rule and sanctions anyway,’ that is a recipe, very quickly…for the American dollar to cease to be the reserve currency of the world,” Kerry told Reuters"http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/08/11/kerry-dollar-could-suffer-if-no-iran-deal.html?source=socialflow&via=twitter_page&template=cheat&account=thedailybeast&medium=twitter

Can any Iran deal backers unpack why the dollar would cease as a world currency if this deal doesn't go forward?

Because Iran would eventually sell its oil for a non-USD currency.Saddam and Khaddafi were the last ones to try this.

Our allies violated Iraq sanctions on a grand scale

A number of US banks have already violated Iran sanctions

 

[The Commish]

I bet a lot of Israeli and Saudi money is finding its way onto Capitol Hill these days.

Also the supreme leader is against this deal, so....

Genuine question, not meant to be smartassish.....but does this really matter? Wouldn't he be against any deal that was anything but letting Iran do as it pleases?

Just like the crazy right wingers and the pro-Israeli crowd I suppose.

It certainly doesn't matter to me.

 

[Rove!]

Is the stance to any country, we will destroy you economically and if all fails militarily if you try to produce a nuclear bomb?

Friend of foe?

I suspect it's a case by case basis, but if you are a nation that does not value human rights for your citizens, finances terrorism abroad and makes public pronouncements about wiping other countries off of the map, the nations of the world have a legitimate concern about that nation having nuclear weapons. If the U.S. didn't invent them, and didn't have a 7 decade track record of restraint, you could certainly make a case against us having them.

 

[timschochet]

60% of American Jews in favor of the deal with Iran.

 

[cstu]

60% of American Jews in favor of the deal with Iran.

That's great to hear.

 

[3C's]

60% of American Jews in favor of the deal with Iran.

Yeah, but Bibi!

 

[TPW]

Senators: Obama Admin Hiding Secret Iran Deal Letters

Sens. Mark Kirk (R., Ill.) and Marco Rubio (R., Fla.) disclosed in the letter to the State Department that U.S. lawmakers have been shown copies of several letters sent by the Obama administration to the Chinese, German, French, and British governments assuring them that companies doing business with Iran will not come under penalty.

The Obama administration is purportedly promising the foreign governments that if Iran violates the parameters of a recently inked nuclear accord, European companies will not be penalized, according to the secret letters.

What a f-ing sellout traitor this guy is.

 

[tommyboy]

heck of a deal!

 

[TobiasFunke]

The Post whip count has this at 31 yes or leaning yes of the 34 needed to prevent Congress from killing the deal. There are 12 undecided/unknowns listed, all of whom are Democrats.

Thankfully this thing seems just about over.

 

[rockaction]

AP reporting that the UN will allow Iran's own inspectors to report on alleged nuclear site.

Huh? Nice deal if you can get it.

http://news.yahoo.com/ap-exclusive-un-let-iran-inspect-alleged-nuke-165604071.html

eta* The head of the IAEA from 2005-2010 said he could think of no similar concession for any other country. I think he implied that it was unprecedented. This is scary stuff.

 

[Boston]

AP reporting that the UN will allow Iran's own inspectors to report on alleged nuclear site.

Huh? Nice deal if you can get it.

http://news.yahoo.com/ap-exclusive-un-let-iran-inspect-alleged-nuke-165604071.html

eta* The head of the IAEA from 2005-2010 said he could think of no similar concession for any other country. I think he implied that it was unprecedented. This is scary stuff.

If this were a fantasy trade Iran is getting Julio Jones and Jamal Charles and we're getting Daniel Thomas, Josh McCown and Aaron Dobson...but the good news is we're getting three players while they're only getting two so it's got to be a good deal...

 

[jonessed]

I guess this is the crappy deal that's the best we can get.

At least if Iran gets a nuke in the next decade it's clear who to point the finger at. Not a good consolation really.

 

[Hang 10]

AP reporting that the UN will allow Iran's own inspectors to report on alleged nuclear site.

Huh? Nice deal if you can get it.

http://news.yahoo.com/ap-exclusive-un-let-iran-inspect-alleged-nuke-165604071.html

eta* The head of the IAEA from 2005-2010 said he could think of no similar concession for any other country. I think he implied that it was unprecedented. This is scary stuff.

If this were a fantasy trade Iran is getting Julio Jones and Jamal Charles and we're getting Daniel Thomas, Josh McCown and Aaron Dobson...but the good news is we're getting three players while they're only getting two so it's got to be a good deal...

I'd veto this deal.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

We might as well just give them nukes directly!

 

[rockaction]

This is the greatest deal in the history of international diplomacy and only right-wing nutjobs can see the problem with letting a theocratic totalitarian state have their own inspectors report to the UN!

 

[Doctor Detroit]

This is the greatest deal in the history of international diplomacy and only right-wing nutjobs can see the problem with letting a theocratic totalitarian state have their own inspectors report to the UN!

If the shoe fits...

 

[rockaction]

This is the greatest deal in the history of international diplomacy and only right-wing nutjobs can see the problem with letting a theocratic totalitarian state have their own inspectors report to the UN!

If the shoe fits...

throw it at W?

 

[rockaction]

Olli Heinonen, radical right-wing nutjob

Olli HeinonenSenior Fellow, Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs

Contact:
Email: olli_heinonen@hks.harvard.edu

Experience

Olli Heinonen is a Senior Fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School of Government’s Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs. His research and teachings include: nuclear non-proliferation and disarmament, verification of treaty compliance, enhancement of the verification work of international organizations, and transfer and control of peaceful uses of nuclear energy.

Before joining the Belfer Center in September 2010, Olli Heinonen served 27 years at the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna. Heinonen was the Deputy Director General of the IAEA, and head of its Department of Safeguards. Prior to that, he was Director at the Agency’s various Operational Divisions, and as inspector including at the IAEA’s overseas office in Tokyo, Japan.

Heinonen led teams of international investigators to examine nuclear programmes of concern around the world and inspected nuclear facilities in South Africa, Iraq, North Korea, Syria, Libya and elsewhere, seeking to ensure that nuclear materials were not diverted for military purposes. He also spearheaded efforts to implement an analytical culture to guide and complement traditional verification activities. He led the Agency’s efforts to identify and dismantle nuclear proliferation networks, including the one led by Pakistani scientist A.Q. Khan, and he oversaw its efforts to monitor and contain Iran’s nuclear programme.

Prior to joining IAEA, he was a Senior Research Officer at the Technical Research Centre of Finland Reactor Laboratory in charge of research and development related to nuclear waste solidification and disposal. He is co-author of several patents on radioactive waste solidification.

Heinonen is the author of several articles, chapters of books, books, in publications ranging from the IAEA and nuclear non-proliferation issues, to regional nuclear developments. His writings and interviews have be published in various newspapers and magazines including: Foreign Policy, The Wall Street Journal, the Guardian, the Bulleting of the Atomic Scientists, Arms Control Today, Der Spiegel, Le Monde, the Helsingin Sanomat, the New York Times, the Mehr news, Die Stern, the Haaretz, the New Statesman, the Washington Post, the BBC, and the Time. His policy briefings have been published by the Belfer Center, the Atlantic Council, the Nautilus Institute, the Institute for Science and International Security, the Nonproliferation Policy Education Center, the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, and the Carnegie Endowment.

Olli Heinonen studied radiochemistry and completed his PhD dissertation in nuclear material analysis at the University of Helsinki.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

This is the key part:

The coalition that negotiated the deal now on the table—the United States, Russia, China, Britain, France, Germany, and the European Union—represents an extraordinary front of unity against nuclear proliferation in the Middle East. Holding that rare alliance together will make it easier to challenge Iran later if the ayatollahs do cheat or go for a bomb after the termination of the agreement.

Link

 

[rockaction]

This is the key part:

The coalition that negotiated the deal now on the table—the United States, Russia, China, Britain, France, Germany, and the European Union—represents an extraordinary front of unity against nuclear proliferation in the Middle East. Holding that rare alliance together will make it easier to challenge Iran later if the ayatollahs do cheat or go for a bomb after the termination of the agreement.

Link

That's nice. The opinion writer is the dean of a journalism school.

I'd take that any day versus Olli's critique.

Oh, Dr. D...

 

[Doctor Detroit]

This is the key part:

The coalition that negotiated the deal now on the table—the United States, Russia, China, Britain, France, Germany, and the European Union—represents an extraordinary front of unity against nuclear proliferation in the Middle East. Holding that rare alliance together will make it easier to challenge Iran later if the ayatollahs do cheat or go for a bomb after the termination of the agreement.

Link

That's nice. He's the dean of a journalism school.

I'd take that any day versus Olli's critique.

Hey TPW, you're logged on as Rockaction now. Did you realize that?