Irvin on ESPN right now... (2 Viewers)

[Chitown Mole]

Where is the response from his friend in all of this????

They haven't worked out the monetary terms yet...to be announced.

 

[cowboyz]

BTW, taking adrug test admits that you are suspected of drug use - you do NOT consent to a drug test unless you are required to in order to get something else - there is no benefoit to Irvin taking a drug test. Esp. if he still smokes weed.

yes there is, to clear his namethis case has really nothing to do with the law. it's all about public perception. he needs to take the drug test if he hopes to work again. if he refuses, he will not be working past this year. i doubt espn would fire him during the year, instead they'd quietly let him go.

 

[bonesman]

My favorite part of the show is coming up.

Michael Irvin....got CRACKED UP!

LMFAO!

 

[godeepthreatz1]

My favorite part of the show is coming up.

Michael Irvin....got CRACKED UP!

great stuff!

 

[packersfan]

Where is the response from his friend in all of this????

They haven't worked out the monetary terms yet...to be announced.

I just hope this one doesn't pose for Playboy like his last "friend" did.

 

[JohnnyU]

Hello boys and girls, welcome to Mr. Irvin's neighborhood. Can you say neighborhood? I knew you could. Today's word boys and girls is LIE.

 

[flapgreen]

My favorite part of the show is coming up. 

Michael Irvin....got CRACKED UP!

LMFAO!

 

[thatguy]

I hate this idiot even more than Shannon Sharpe. Definately cant take the ghetto out of the man..hows that saying go..??

I was actually just debating with my stepdad who is less likeable. I really dislike Sharpe. To me it's a toss up.

 

[Marc Levin]

Well, if I was his boss at ESPN, I would say, take a drug test or lose your job. I think they are within their rights to do so, espeecially given the current circumstances. What is the law regarding employer rights to give drug tests?

no - actually - they are not within their right to do that -I donl't have time or inclination to explain labor law, but you canm't keep your job unless . . is a LOT different than you can't have this job unless . . .

 

[Marc Levin]

BTW, taking adrug test admits that you are suspected of drug use - you do NOT consent to a drug test unless you are required to in order to get something else - there is no benefoit to Irvin taking a drug test.  Esp. if he still smokes weed.

yes there is, to clear his namethis case has really nothing to do with the law. it's all about public perception. he needs to take the drug test if he hopes to work again. if he refuses, he will not be working past this year. i doubt espn would fire him during the year, instead they'd quietly let him go.

not if he's smoking weed.he has NO BENFIT to taking a test he is not obligated in any way to take.

 

[Marc Levin]

impossible to "forget" you put a crack pipe in the car - easy to put it somewhere safe from plain virew from cops and then forget it was there a couple days later.

Sorry Marc, but that doesn't pass the common sense test for me. Are you telling me that if someone came to your house and had a crack pipe on them you would just happen to forget all about it -- even a few days later? That'd be ALL I could think about and I'm not Michael Irvin with a well-documented connection to drugs in the past and someone -- according to Irvin -- who fears that his neighbors are the type of people to plant drug paraphenilia on his property or go searching through his garbage looking for said drug items.Given all that, it seems to me something like a crack pipe showing up at the front door wouldn't be so easy to forget about.

I don't believe his story - I believe it was his pipe or it was a friend's pipe and it was used in his car - it was then placed in a "safe" place. Irvin, as he drops off his crack pipe sharing friend: "hey, you get that thing" crack head: ummm, yeah I think so" Irvin: "Ok, good night - next time you buy"Then it is forgotten.

Irvin knew a pipe was placed in his car somewhere - it was then forgotten.

I just don't see how you can forget you have a crack pipe in your car or that a crack pipe at one time was in your car if you are not someone who uses a crack pipe. I'm no saint, but if you show up at my place with a crack pipe I'm not going to forget about that anytime soon and I sure as hell am going to make sure I know where it is when you leave and that it isn't connected to me in any way possible. What does make sense is that Irvin uses said pipe or other crack pipes in his car frequently and/or has others use them in his car frequently and it becomes so commonplace that he never thinks twice about it. To me, that makes a helluva lot more sense than an innocent man just happen to forget an illegal drug-related item was in his car. But that's me.

well, i think that your scenario above is what I was implying.

 

[flapgreen]

Wow! Regardless of what really happened, I also have to hand it to Irvin for holding it together and being on the show tonight. I couldn't do it. With all of the embarrassment that came along with the whole ordeal, I'd be a complete mess up there. That's a tough spot to be put in.

 

[Marc Levin]

Wow! Regardless of what really happened, I also have to hand it to Irvin for holding it together and being on the show tonight. I couldn't do it. With all of the embarrassment that came along with the whole ordeal, I'd be a complete mess up there. That's a tough spot to be put in.

if he can strauight faced lie to his wife about affairs and hanging with hookers and all, i'm sure he can hold it together for a pre-football game analysis show.

 

[OJ Simpson]

Wow. He's less believable than OJ.

 

[packersfan]

impossible to "forget" you put a crack pipe in the car - easy to put it somewhere safe from plain virew from cops and then forget it was there a couple days later.

Sorry Marc, but that doesn't pass the common sense test for me. Are you telling me that if someone came to your house and had a crack pipe on them you would just happen to forget all about it -- even a few days later? That'd be ALL I could think about and I'm not Michael Irvin with a well-documented connection to drugs in the past and someone -- according to Irvin -- who fears that his neighbors are the type of people to plant drug paraphenilia on his property or go searching through his garbage looking for said drug items.Given all that, it seems to me something like a crack pipe showing up at the front door wouldn't be so easy to forget about.

I don't believe his story - I believe it was his pipe or it was a friend's pipe and it was used in his car - it was then placed in a "safe" place. Irvin, as he drops off his crack pipe sharing friend: "hey, you get that thing" crack head: ummm, yeah I think so" Irvin: "Ok, good night - next time you buy"Then it is forgotten.

Irvin knew a pipe was placed in his car somewhere - it was then forgotten.

I just don't see how you can forget you have a crack pipe in your car or that a crack pipe at one time was in your car if you are not someone who uses a crack pipe. I'm no saint, but if you show up at my place with a crack pipe I'm not going to forget about that anytime soon and I sure as hell am going to make sure I know where it is when you leave and that it isn't connected to me in any way possible. What does make sense is that Irvin uses said pipe or other crack pipes in his car frequently and/or has others use them in his car frequently and it becomes so commonplace that he never thinks twice about it. To me, that makes a helluva lot more sense than an innocent man just happen to forget an illegal drug-related item was in his car. But that's me.

well, i think that your scenario above is what I was implying.

True. Basically, I think Irvin is full of s***.

 

[Marc Levin]

me 2.That doesn't mean he should be fired or forced to take a drug test or do any of the other of a thousand silly things I've seen suggested here.In a country that currently THRIVES on plausible deniability and bald faced lies, Irvin has nothing to prove to anyone except the cops.

 

[David Dodds]

I am pretty sure ESPN (a Disney corp) will have him drug tested within the next few days. Instead of being cynical, let's just wait and see this play out. If no drugs are found in his system, I would tend to believe his story to be at least close to the truth (ie not his pipe). Checking who was at his house on Thanksgiving also should be pretty easy to do. Most companies can demand a drug test. I am pretty sure ESPN/Disney can definitely force one here as they can argue that someone under the influence should not be on the air. From what Irvin said tonight, I think he will take a drug test and attempt to clear his name here.I do think the "I patted him down" before entering the house was pretty damn funny. Hi Bob. Happy Thanksgiving. Mind walking through the metal detector before sitting down and eating?

 

[packersfan]

me 2.

That doesn't mean he should be fired or forced to take a drug test or do any of the other of a thousand silly things I've seen suggested here.

In a country that currently THRIVES on plausible deniability and bald faced lies, Irvin has nothing to prove to anyone except the cops.

He also has a lot to prove to his employer. As David and Johnny have both said, ESPN is well within their rights to have Irvin submit to a drug test. That's common practice at most companies so I see no reason why they couldn't ask him to take one now given the circumstances he finds himself embroiled in. He is well within his rights to refuse to take the test and ESPN is then well within their rights to fire him for refusing. If it were me and one of my employees with a well-documented connection to drugs in the past was caught up in a drug-related event now, rest assured I'd be having him take a drug test ASAP. ESPN is as much about image as they are about anything; don't forget that.

 

[Marc Levin]

didn't somone say he was a contractor - not an employee?that makes a rather large difference in what they can demand from him.p.s. - either way, it is proof to Disney, not proof on the air to America - that matters. IF he is drug tested (which I think is a big if), that will be a VERY private matter - and noone outside of four or five people at Disney will know that the test occurred or what the results were.

 

[trader jake]

"you are who you roll with"michael irvin rolls with this pipe friend (if this guy exists)espn associates itself with michael irvinnuf' said

 

[JohnnyU]

If he crawls in the gutter, he's bound to get dirty.

 

[trader jake]

lol at the espn listings for their lead pipe locks

 

[Ghost Rider]

IF he is drug tested (which I think is a big if), that will be a VERY private matter - and noone outside of four or five people at Disney will know that the test occurred or what the results were.

That is exactly what I was thinking. If he is tested and tests positive, they will likely let him go and release a general statement about parting ways, but will say nothing about any drug test or results of one.

 

[Sweeper]

Calling it now. Irvin is not going anywhere. Get used to it.

J

Good Call.

Yea ... but it is the obvious one. No one is going to fire a black analyst, confronting the issue and being sincere (or trying to) on top of it all. Cummon, picking up a freind from rehab? And he has a crack pipe? and he didnt want to throw it away?

Pa - Lease!

 

[Sweeper]

Hello boys and girls, welcome to Mr. Irvin's neighborhood. Can you say neighborhood? I knew you could. Today's word boys and girls is LIE.

Can you say .... convict?

 

[flapgreen]

Wow!  Regardless of what really happened, I also have to hand it to Irvin for holding it together and being on the show tonight.  I couldn't do it.  With all of the embarrassment that came along with the whole ordeal, I'd be a complete mess up there.  That's a tough spot to be put in.

if he can strauight faced lie to his wife about affairs and hanging with hookers and all, i'm sure he can hold it together for a pre-football game analysis show.

Good point!

 

[Limecuda]

The guy was NOT found with any drugs. None. Zip. Nadda. The lynch mob calling for his head is ridiculous. He was busted for paraphernalia, which he did indeed take responsibility for. It is such a stiff penalty of UP to $500 possible. Is the guy a loud mouthed obnoxious individual, sure, but the man has not done that big of a deal to warrant the comparisons to OJ (murder) or anyone else. There are a lot of other individuals who have done far worse and kept their job.

 

[Cunning Linguist]

This "it is a friend's" worked for Greg Brady and the cigarettes in the jacket, I don't see why it wont work here

 

[Team Legacy]

Labor law states that REASONABLE SUSPICION be determined that drugs are being used in the workplace., DURING or AT the WORKPLACE is the key here. If reasonable suspicion isn't there, then they cannot be allowed to test unless ALL are tested OR a RANDOM testing process is used ongoing by an outside source.What you do at home is YOUR business. Employers can testA. At the time of hire. B. Ongoing RANDOM (key word "Random")orC. With Reasonable Suspicion due to behaviors IN the workplace. (key word "in")This is the law as I understand it here in Indiana, but it is a state by state law.

 

[Bob Magaw]

didn't somone say he was a contractor - not an employee?

that makes a rather large difference in what they can demand from him.

p.s. - either way, it is proof to Disney, not proof on the air to America - that matters. IF he is drug tested (which I think is a big if), that will be a VERY private matter - and noone outside of four or five people at Disney will know that the test occurred or what the results were.

if espn & irvin part ways in the near future, we can probably make some strong inferences about how it went down.

 

[Marc Levin]

Labor law states that REASONABLE SUSPICION be determined that drugs are being used in the workplace., DURING or AT the WORKPLACE is the key here.

If reasonable suspicion isn't there, then they cannot be allowed to test unless ALL are tested OR a RANDOM testing process is used ongoing by an outside source.

What you do at home is YOUR business. Employers can test

A. At the time of hire.

B. Ongoing RANDOM (key word "Random")

or

C. With Reasonable Suspicion due to behaviors IN the workplace. (key word "in")

This is the law as I understand it here in Indiana, but it is a state by state law.

Unless you are in a job where you are responsible for the safety of others (bus driver is the classic example).

 

[Uncle Pete]

Labor law states that REASONABLE SUSPICION be determined that drugs are being used in the workplace., DURING or AT the WORKPLACE is the key here.

If reasonable suspicion isn't there, then they cannot be allowed to test unless ALL are tested OR a RANDOM testing process is used ongoing by an outside source.

What you do at home is YOUR business. Employers can test

A. At the time of hire.

B. Ongoing RANDOM (key word "Random")

or

C. With Reasonable Suspicion due to behaviors IN the workplace. (key word "in")

This is the law as I understand it here in Indiana, but it is a state by state law.

Not in the military! It should be like the military's standards for everyone. If its good enough for soldiers/vets its good enough for taxpayers.

 

[Marc Levin]

Labor law states that REASONABLE SUSPICION be determined that drugs are being used in the workplace., DURING or AT the WORKPLACE is the key here.

If reasonable suspicion isn't there, then they cannot be allowed to test unless ALL are tested OR a RANDOM testing process is used ongoing by an outside source.

What you do at home is YOUR business. Employers can test

A. At the time of hire.

B. Ongoing RANDOM (key word "Random")

or

C. With Reasonable Suspicion due to behaviors IN the workplace. (key word "in")

This is the law as I understand it here in Indiana, but it is a state by state law.

Not in the military! It should be like the military's standards for everyone. If its good enough for soldiers/vets its good enough for taxpayers.

You go into the military and you voluntarily give up a lot of federal and constitutional protections that citizens enjoy - I shouldn't be forced to give them up to a private employer. The fed'l gov't, including military, are also subjected to federal statutes that private employers are NOT subject to regarding privacy and drug testing issues.

Extremely poor logic being used there.

 

[Uncle Pete]

Labor law states that REASONABLE SUSPICION be determined that drugs are being used in the workplace., DURING or AT the WORKPLACE is the key here.

If reasonable suspicion isn't there, then they cannot be allowed to test unless ALL are tested OR a RANDOM testing process is used ongoing by an outside source.

What you do at home is YOUR business. Employers can test

A. At the time of hire.

B. Ongoing RANDOM (key word "Random")

or

C. With Reasonable Suspicion due to behaviors IN the workplace. (key word "in")

This is the law as I understand it here in Indiana, but it is a state by state law.

Not in the military! It should be like the military's standards for everyone. If its good enough for soldiers/vets its good enough for taxpayers.

You go into the military and you voluntarily give up a lot of federal and constitutional protections that citizens enjoy - I shouldn't be forced to give them up to a private employer. The fed'l gov't, including military, are also subjected to federal statutes that private employers are NOT subject to regarding privacy and drug testing issues.

Extremely poor logic being used there.

No its not poor logic... the media influences pop culture (whats cool, not cool, latest fads). Why should I get paid less when a higher official in my company snorts coke on the weekends? People on drugs are less responsible. Pissing in a cup is hardly "losing your constitutional protection." As far as I understand, you are not constitutionally allowed to be protected from drug use... prove me wrong? Where does it state the constitution protects drug users... everyone should be tested.

 

[FF Dude]

Just a few things to add here...Irvin can't be forced to take a drug test unless the company already has a drug testing policy in place. I wonder if maybe he has some "morality" clause in his contract due to his problems in the past that could allow him to be tested or be fired though.Second, I don't know for sure, but I don't think most people get upset about him having a pipe in his possession, I think most of us are just sick and tired of those who lie about things like this and use RIDICULOUS excuses to try to get away with it."I did not have sexual relations with that woman!""I have not and never will use steroids!""I did not bet on baseball"How about a little friggin honesty or just keep your mouth shut. Please don't give me the innocent until proven guilty crap, I am the judge for the court of public opinion, not a court of law.

 

[Das Boot]

Fair enough. But if it were me -- and especially if I was someone with a drug-filled past like Michael Irvin -- it'd be pretty damn difficult for me to just "forget" there was a crack pipe in my car -- especially if he's worried about people rummaging through his property.

He might have forgot it was in his car if he was high. Boot.

 

[Uncle Pete]

Just a few things to add here...

Irvin can't be forced to take a drug test unless the company already has a drug testing policy in place. I wonder if maybe he has some "morality" clause in his contract due to his problems in the past that could allow him to be tested or be fired though.

Second, I don't know for sure, but I don't think most people get upset about him having a pipe in his possession, I think most of us are just sick and tired of those who lie about things like this and use RIDICULOUS excuses to try to get away with it.

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman!"

"I have not and never will use steroids!"

"I did not bet on baseball"

How about a little friggin honesty or just keep your mouth shut. Please don't give me the innocent until proven guilty crap, I am the judge for the court of public opinion, not a court of law.

 

[Marc Levin]

Labor law states that REASONABLE SUSPICION be determined that drugs are being used in the workplace., DURING or AT the WORKPLACE is the key here.

If reasonable suspicion isn't there, then they cannot be allowed to test unless ALL are tested OR a RANDOM testing process is used ongoing by an outside source.

What you do at home is YOUR business. Employers can test

A. At the time of hire.

B. Ongoing RANDOM (key word "Random")

or

C. With Reasonable Suspicion due to behaviors IN the workplace. (key word "in")

This is the law as I understand it here in Indiana, but it is a state by state law.

Not in the military! It should be like the military's standards for everyone. If its good enough for soldiers/vets its good enough for taxpayers.

You go into the military and you voluntarily give up a lot of federal and constitutional protections that citizens enjoy - I shouldn't be forced to give them up to a private employer. The fed'l gov't, including military, are also subjected to federal statutes that private employers are NOT subject to regarding privacy and drug testing issues.

Extremely poor logic being used there.

No its not poor logic... the media influences pop culture (whats cool, not cool, latest fads). Why should I get paid less when a higher official in my company snorts coke on the weekends? People on drugs are less responsible. Pissing in a cup is hardly "losing your constitutional protection." As far as I understand, you are not constitutionally allowed to be protected from drug use... prove me wrong? Where does it state the constitution protects drug users... everyone should be tested.

You have VERY poor logic here to think that US citizens should be treated the same as military personnel.VERY poor logic.

And very un-American to believe that way, too - the military fought and died to protect the very liberties you think Americans should be forced to give up just b/c the people in the military VOLUNTARILY GAVE those liberties up. I should not be treated like a soldier by a private employer - and there are constitutional protections against my being treated that way.

VERY poor logic.

 

[Marc Levin]

As far as I understand, you are not constitutionally allowed to be protected from drug use... prove me wrong?

You are constitutionally protected from searches and seizures by gov't and private employers - in addition to cops.

 

[Uncle Pete]

As far as I understand, you are not constitutionally allowed to be protected from drug use... prove me wrong?

You are constitutionally protected from searches and seizures by gov't and private employers - in addition to cops.

Taking a piss is constituted as a seizure but is far from it realistically. You know that and I know that. How dare you call a disabled gulf war 2 vet un-American. If you break the law, you pay the prices and a few rotten apples ruins the bunch. EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE TO TAKE PISS TESTS AT LEAST ANNUALLY, AT THE MOST QUARTERLY.

 

[Marc Levin]

As far as I understand, you are not constitutionally allowed to be protected from drug use... prove me wrong?

You are constitutionally protected from searches and seizures by gov't and private employers - in addition to cops.

Taking a piss is constituted as a seizure but is far from it realistically. You know that and I know that. How dare you call a disabled gulf war 2 vet un-American. If you break the law, you pay the prices and a few rotten apples ruins the bunch. EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE TO TAKE PISS TESTS AT LEAST ANNUALLY, AT THE MOST QUARTERLY.

this is the most un-American thing I've ever read - I don't care if you are disabled vet.it is not constitutional - and it is not American.

McArthyism in a bottle.

 

[Uncle Pete]

The Patriot Act is unconstitutional but it still passes. G.W. Bush needs to take a piss test. The way he licks his lips, blinks his eyes, look it up... Symptoms of a habitual cocaine addict. If I had to vote for Mandatory Piss tests for the American people at election time, of course I would say no... But YOU, ME, HIM, HER, should volunteer to take a piss test to prove that your body is drug-free. More drug tests are needed to weed out the idiots that take them... point blank. What the hell do you know, you just work for a fantasy football website....

 

[Uncle Pete]

Whether weed, cocaine, heroine, meth, or abuse of over the counter products... it is wrong. It can be weeded out by constant drug testing.

 

[Marc Levin]

The Patriot Act is unconstitutional but it still passes. G.W. Bush needs to take a piss test. The way he licks his lips, blinks his eyes, look it up... Symptoms of a habitual cocaine addict.

Nicely done.I agree the Pat Act could be unconstitutionally applied - but it has yet to be properly challenged and overturned b/c it has been applied to arrest people who are not being granted access to courts. Since it has yet to be properly challenged in court by anyone with standing to do so, it is likely to be renewed after its expiration date.On what do I know re: mandatory piss tests and the constitution? In my spare time, whenever I decide to actually make money, I'm a member of the Colorado Bar.

 

[bonesman]

Whether weed, cocaine, heroine, meth, or abuse of over the counter products... it is wrong. It can be weeded out by constant drug testing.

what do you suggest we do with the people w/ positive results? execution?

 

[Uncle Pete]

Whether weed, cocaine, heroine, meth, or abuse of over the counter products... it is wrong. It can be weeded out by constant drug testing.

what do you suggest we do with the people w/ positive results? execution?

Execute their ability to make decisions until they are drug-free.

 

[Uncle Pete]

The Patriot Act is unconstitutional but it still passes. G.W. Bush needs to take a piss test. The way he licks his lips, blinks his eyes, look it up... Symptoms of a habitual cocaine addict.

Nicely done.I agree the Pat Act could be unconstitutionally applied - but it has yet to be properly challenged and overturned b/c it has been applied to arrest people who are not being granted access to courts. Since it has yet to be properly challenged in court by anyone with standing to do so, it is likely to be renewed after its expiration date.

On what do I know re: mandatory piss tests and the constitution? In my spare time, whenever I decide to actually make money, I'm a member of the Colorado Bar.

Thats great than because me and you could have some major heated debates since analyze politics for a career.

 

[Marc Levin]

The Patriot Act is unconstitutional but it still passes. G.W. Bush needs to take a piss test. The way he licks his lips, blinks his eyes, look it up... Symptoms of a habitual cocaine addict.

Nicely done.I agree the Pat Act could be unconstitutionally applied - but it has yet to be properly challenged and overturned b/c it has been applied to arrest people who are not being granted access to courts. Since it has yet to be properly challenged in court by anyone with standing to do so, it is likely to be renewed after its expiration date.

On what do I know re: mandatory piss tests and the constitution? In my spare time, whenever I decide to actually make money, I'm a member of the Colorado Bar.

Thats great than because me and you could have some major heated debates since analyze politics for a career.

Def. - after the FF playoffs, I'll be back in the FFA doing just that. I take a break from the FFA from October through January and a break from the Pool while doing FFGuy analysis over the summer.

 

[Uncle Pete]

The Patriot Act is unconstitutional but it still passes. G.W. Bush needs to take a piss test. The way he licks his lips, blinks his eyes, look it up... Symptoms of a habitual cocaine addict.

Nicely done.I agree the Pat Act could be unconstitutionally applied - but it has yet to be properly challenged and overturned b/c it has been applied to arrest people who are not being granted access to courts. Since it has yet to be properly challenged in court by anyone with standing to do so, it is likely to be renewed after its expiration date.

On what do I know re: mandatory piss tests and the constitution? In my spare time, whenever I decide to actually make money, I'm a member of the Colorado Bar.

Thats great than because me and you could have some major heated debates since analyze politics for a career.

Def. - after the FF playoffs, I'll be back in the FFA doing just that. I take a break from the FFA from October through January and a break from the Pool while doing FFGuy analysis over the summer.

You took the bait though... "What do you know..." I wanted to see how you reacted and it was what I expected... but back to the topic at hand... Irvin should just take a drug test. Clear the air.

 

[Marc Levin]

consider me hooked and landed