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Irvin on Roethlisberger (1 Viewer)

Along with the positives, Ben has the reputation that he's not well liked among his teammates, he's been guilty of terrible judgment, and will likely have two civil cases and possibly a suspension hanging over his head. Take your black and yellow (it's not gold) colored glasses off for a moment and pretend you're an owner or GM- do you want this guy to be the face of your franchise for the next 5-10 years? As good as he can be on the field, do you trust him off the field? I don't. And I don't exactly picture him being a fan favorite wherever he goes; he's wearing out his welcome in Pittsburgh and that's a loyal bunch...
The only thing that I disagree with this is the bolded part. I have never seen one quote, from a teammate or former teammate that has said anything negative about Ben as a person or that he was disliked in the locker room but I have seen many teammates that have referred to him as a friend and/or brother. Last season he was voted as the team MVP by his teammates.There very well could be a few that don't care for him but there are few people at my work I don't like all that much, though we still work well together. One thing that really bugs me is that people that have never been in the locker room repeat this garbage when in fact they have no clue how his teammates feel about him.

 
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You're defending your dirtbag QB
He may indeed be a dirtbag but if pictures of a 20-something young man partying with a few young ladies is poof of being a dirtbag then more than half of the adult men living in America are dirtbags.Now you can say what you want about Ben, but I am not about to stick around and listen to you badmouth the United States of America!

 
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Along with the positives, Ben has the reputation that he's not well liked among his teammates, he's been guilty of terrible judgment, and will likely have two civil cases and possibly a suspension hanging over his head. Take your black and yellow (it's not gold) colored glasses off for a moment and pretend you're an owner or GM- do you want this guy to be the face of your franchise for the next 5-10 years? As good as he can be on the field, do you trust him off the field? I don't. And I don't exactly picture him being a fan favorite wherever he goes; he's wearing out his welcome in Pittsburgh and that's a loyal bunch...
The only thing that I disagree with this is the bolded part. I have never seen one quote, from a teammate or former teammate that has said anything negative about Ben as a person or that he was disliked in the locker room but I have seen many teammates that have referred to him as a friend and/or brother. Last season he was voted as the team MVP by his teammates.There very well could be a few that don't care for him but there are few people at my work I don't like all that much, though we still work well together. One thing that really bugs me is that people that have never been in the locker room repeat this garbage when in fact they have no clue how his teammates feel about him.
Well they're not teammates of former teammates but here goes:Exhibit A

Roethlisberger not popular with teammates

The following quotes are from NFL scouts, coaches and front-office personnel, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

• "(Steelers QB) Ben Roethlisberger is not a well-liked teammate. He's arrogant and lazy. It's not a nice mixture in a steel city known for its toughness."
Exhibit B
The other day at practice, I asked a colleague how any of the Steelers could vote for anyone but Roethlisberger for team MVP. This media pal of mine immediately answered that Roethlisberger would have a hard time winning.

He’s sensed that some Steelers, especially on the defensive side of the ball, don’t like Roethlisberger.
 
Steelfan7 said:
You are severely underestimating the market for a two time Superbowl winning qb who is in his 20's and in his prime. Ben gave the Steelers a home team discount and his new contract would be at least the same, but probably more if he hit the open market. Look at the money teams have to spend on these high draft pick unproven qbs.
Along with the positives, Ben has the reputation that he's not well liked among his teammates, he's been guilty of terrible judgment, and will likely have two civil cases and possibly a suspension hanging over his head. Take your black and yellow (it's not gold) colored glasses off for a moment and pretend you're an owner or GM- do you want this guy to be the face of your franchise for the next 5-10 years? As good as he can be on the field, do you trust him off the field? I don't. And I don't exactly picture him being a fan favorite wherever he goes; he's wearing out his welcome in Pittsburgh and that's a loyal bunch...
We're not talking TO like behavior in the locker room nor Brandon Marshall behavior off the field. Ben has his faults, but he is proven winner who is just entering his prime qb years. He does need to work on some things on the field and off the field, but young 2-time Superbowl winning franchise qbs do not grow on trees. Face of the Steelers franchise is the Rooneys holding up the Lombardi trophy. Yes Steelers fans are growing tired of Ben's and Holmes name appearing often in the police blogs, but if no charges are filed against either then come football season all will be forgot and focus will be on Steelers winning games.
I agree with this. If no charges are filed, all will be forgotten as soon as he throws his first TD pass, if not sooner. Even if he loses both civil cases, he will be cheered as long as the team is winning. We've seen it time an again in sports, and as great at Steelers fans are and as classy as the Rooney's appear to be, if they're winning games, then there is no problem. If Cowboys fans have taught me anything, it's that.
 
Treat88: Maybe I am giving the Rooneys too much credit.
They don't handle character/moral/off-field issues any differently than any other team.They make smart financial decisions and stick to time tested on-field principles.

Any Steeler fan that claims moral superiority to any other franchise simply doesn't understand the history of the organization.

Like any other team if you dig into the past, yes even the recent past, they have their warts.

Thing is those warts are part of the depth and character that makes a franchise interesting, entertaining, and fun to root for.

And, yes, the 6 SB's help. Then again, Browns fans wouldn't get that part of the equation right? :goodposting:

However you do have us beat on the AFL titles so there is some solace in that I hope.

The joking attitude probably doesn't come across well in those last points. I'm just sayin...

 
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Steelfan7 said:
You are severely underestimating the market for a two time Superbowl winning qb who is in his 20's and in his prime. Ben gave the Steelers a home team discount and his new contract would be at least the same, but probably more if he hit the open market. Look at the money teams have to spend on these high draft pick unproven qbs.
Along with the positives, Ben has the reputation that he's not well liked among his teammates, he's been guilty of terrible judgment, and will likely have two civil cases and possibly a suspension hanging over his head. Take your black and yellow (it's not gold) colored glasses off for a moment and pretend you're an owner or GM- do you want this guy to be the face of your franchise for the next 5-10 years? As good as he can be on the field, do you trust him off the field? I don't. And I don't exactly picture him being a fan favorite wherever he goes; he's wearing out his welcome in Pittsburgh and that's a loyal bunch...
We're not talking TO like behavior in the locker room nor Brandon Marshall behavior off the field. Ben has his faults, but he is proven winner who is just entering his prime qb years. He does need to work on some things on the field and off the field, but young 2-time Superbowl winning franchise qbs do not grow on trees. Face of the Steelers franchise is the Rooneys holding up the Lombardi trophy. Yes Steelers fans are growing tired of Ben's and Holmes name appearing often in the police blogs, but if no charges are filed against either then come football season all will be forgot and focus will be on Steelers winning games.
I agree with this. If no charges are filed, all will be forgotten as soon as he throws his first TD pass, if not sooner. Even if he loses both civil cases, he will be cheered as long as the team is winning. We've seen it time an again in sports, and as great at Steelers fans are and as classy as the Rooney's appear to be, if they're winning games, then there is no problem. If Cowboys fans have taught me anything, it's that.
There is only one civil case - the Reno case. There has not been a civil suite filed in the GA case. Even with the lower level of proof required in a civil case it looks like it would be a she said - he said case which sounds like a difficult one to win IMO.
 
Along with the positives, Ben has the reputation that he's not well liked among his teammates, he's been guilty of terrible judgment, and will likely have two civil cases and possibly a suspension hanging over his head. Take your black and yellow (it's not gold) colored glasses off for a moment and pretend you're an owner or GM- do you want this guy to be the face of your franchise for the next 5-10 years? As good as he can be on the field, do you trust him off the field? I don't. And I don't exactly picture him being a fan favorite wherever he goes; he's wearing out his welcome in Pittsburgh and that's a loyal bunch...
The only thing that I disagree with this is the bolded part. I have never seen one quote, from a teammate or former teammate that has said anything negative about Ben as a person or that he was disliked in the locker room but I have seen many teammates that have referred to him as a friend and/or brother. Last season he was voted as the team MVP by his teammates.There very well could be a few that don't care for him but there are few people at my work I don't like all that much, though we still work well together. One thing that really bugs me is that people that have never been in the locker room repeat this garbage when in fact they have no clue how his teammates feel about him.
Well they're not teammates of former teammates but here goes:Exhibit A

Roethlisberger not popular with teammates

The following quotes are from NFL scouts, coaches and front-office personnel, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

• "(Steelers QB) Ben Roethlisberger is not a well-liked teammate. He's arrogant and lazy. It's not a nice mixture in a steel city known for its toughness."
Exhibit B
The other day at practice, I asked a colleague how any of the Steelers could vote for anyone but Roethlisberger for team MVP. This media pal of mine immediately answered that Roethlisberger would have a hard time winning.

He’s sensed that some Steelers, especially on the defensive side of the ball, don’t like Roethlisberger.
As I suspected, not one quote from a teammate or former teammate.
 
Steelfan7 said:
You are severely underestimating the market for a two time Superbowl winning qb who is in his 20's and in his prime. Ben gave the Steelers a home team discount and his new contract would be at least the same, but probably more if he hit the open market. Look at the money teams have to spend on these high draft pick unproven qbs.
Along with the positives, Ben has the reputation that he's not well liked among his teammates, he's been guilty of terrible judgment, and will likely have two civil cases and possibly a suspension hanging over his head. Take your black and yellow (it's not gold) colored glasses off for a moment and pretend you're an owner or GM- do you want this guy to be the face of your franchise for the next 5-10 years? As good as he can be on the field, do you trust him off the field? I don't. And I don't exactly picture him being a fan favorite wherever he goes; he's wearing out his welcome in Pittsburgh and that's a loyal bunch...
We're not talking TO like behavior in the locker room nor Brandon Marshall behavior off the field. Ben has his faults, but he is proven winner who is just entering his prime qb years. He does need to work on some things on the field and off the field, but young 2-time Superbowl winning franchise qbs do not grow on trees. Face of the Steelers franchise is the Rooneys holding up the Lombardi trophy. Yes Steelers fans are growing tired of Ben's and Holmes name appearing often in the police blogs, but if no charges are filed against either then come football season all will be forgot and focus will be on Steelers winning games.
I agree with this. If no charges are filed, all will be forgotten as soon as he throws his first TD pass, if not sooner. Even if he loses both civil cases, he will be cheered as long as the team is winning. We've seen it time an again in sports, and as great at Steelers fans are and as classy as the Rooney's appear to be, if they're winning games, then there is no problem. If Cowboys fans have taught me anything, it's that.
There is only one civil case - the Reno case. There has not been a civil suite filed in the GA case. Even with the lower level of proof required in a civil case it looks like it would be a she said - he said case which sounds like a difficult one to win IMO.
I guess I meant hypothetically speaking. I don't expect him to lose either the Reno case or this one (if the accuser decides to pursue it). But even if that somehow happened, it wouldn't matter as long as Ben continues throwing TD passes and winning games. Most fans don't care about character, just the bottom line (wins). Roethlisberger is one of the best players at the most important position in football and can't be easily replaced. He's not going anywhere unless the criminal justice system or Roger Goodell says otherwise.
 
[quote name='Jeremy' date='Apr 11 2010, 11:11 AM' post='11711301' Roethlisberger is one of the best players at the most important position in football and can't be easily replaced. He's not going anywhere unless the criminal justice system or Roger Goodell says otherwise.

Fact.

 
ESPN radio in Pittsburgh carried the press conference but took a 10 minute commerical break just when they started taking questions. :ninja: I hate this station with a passion.

 
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Anyone watching the press conference or have a link?
Bright says questions still persist about what happened between Roethlisberger and the student inside a bathroom at the club. However, he says the accuser and her family told authorities they did not want to press charges.this really does not do much to paint ben in a better light to a lot of people
 
Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger will not be charged after an investigation into accusations of sexual assault by a 20-year-old woman in Georgia, sources told ESPN.Sources confirmed to ESPN's Kelly Naqi that District Attorney Fred Bright will announce on Monday that charges will not be brought against Roethlisberger. Bright said in a statement Friday he has reviewed all the investigation reports and will hold a news conference at 2 p.m. ET Monday.Who knows what really happened that night, but as a Steelers fan I am breathing a huge sigh of relief. Hopefully this was a close enough call that Ben will seriously curtail his nightlife behavior. I would imagine his leash with the NFL, the Steelers and the fans is extremely short.
A lot of people in this thread (and others) should eat a big giant poop sandwich.
Now with news of #4 coming out, still feel the same way? Just one big conspiracy against Ben, eh?
 
Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger will not be charged after an investigation into accusations of sexual assault by a 20-year-old woman in Georgia, sources told ESPN.Sources confirmed to ESPN's Kelly Naqi that District Attorney Fred Bright will announce on Monday that charges will not be brought against Roethlisberger. Bright said in a statement Friday he has reviewed all the investigation reports and will hold a news conference at 2 p.m. ET Monday.Who knows what really happened that night, but as a Steelers fan I am breathing a huge sigh of relief. Hopefully this was a close enough call that Ben will seriously curtail his nightlife behavior. I would imagine his leash with the NFL, the Steelers and the fans is extremely short.
A lot of people in this thread (and others) should eat a big giant poop sandwich.
Now with news of #4 coming out, still feel the same way? Just one big conspiracy against Ben, eh?
I don't think it's clear at all that #1, #3, or #4 aren't 100% bogus.But the fact that there are rumors of a #3, and #4 certainly justifies a lot of the sentiments in this thread. For that matter the fact that there is even a #1 at all is far too many.I claimed all along that Ben would not be charged, but I severely underestimated the seriousness of the charge and the firestorm that would follow it.The poop sandwich comment wasn't mine, but I definitely agreed with it at the time. Now...not so much.
 
Along with the positives, Ben has the reputation that he's not well liked among his teammates, he's been guilty of terrible judgment, and will likely have two civil cases and possibly a suspension hanging over his head. Take your black and yellow (it's not gold) colored glasses off for a moment and pretend you're an owner or GM- do you want this guy to be the face of your franchise for the next 5-10 years? As good as he can be on the field, do you trust him off the field? I don't. And I don't exactly picture him being a fan favorite wherever he goes; he's wearing out his welcome in Pittsburgh and that's a loyal bunch...
The only thing that I disagree with this is the bolded part. I have never seen one quote, from a teammate or former teammate that has said anything negative about Ben as a person or that he was disliked in the locker room but I have seen many teammates that have referred to him as a friend and/or brother. Last season he was voted as the team MVP by his teammates.There very well could be a few that don't care for him but there are few people at my work I don't like all that much, though we still work well together. One thing that really bugs me is that people that have never been in the locker room repeat this garbage when in fact they have no clue how his teammates feel about him.
This should now officially put the "not well liked among his teammates" argument to bed. Roethlisberger faced locker room issues

By William Weinbaum

ESPN

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PITTSBURGH -- He set an NFL record by winning the first 15 regular-season games he started at quarterback.

And he finished his second season by winning Super Bowl XL.

"I was invincible, I was Superman," Ben Roethlisberger told "E:60" in June 2009, describing his lofty state after two seasons.

"I was probably a little too confident, a little too cocky at times," Roethlisberger said. "That's why I say I think God knew that and knocked me down."

After the 2005 season, there were rumblings that Roethlisberger, who had a shaky, two-interception performance in the Super Bowl, was the player the defense-oriented Pittsburgh Steelers overcame to win the championship, not the one who led the way. He wasn't selected to the Pro Bowl and wasn't elected a team captain.

"I wasn't a good leader early on," Roethlisberger said in that 2009 interview.

"With everything that I had been thrown into and trying to be a leader, and be a quarterback, and be the best that I could be," he said, "I kind of got overwhelmed and I wasn't probably the best teammate I should have been the first couple years."

Four months after that first Super Bowl triumph, Roethlisberger suffered serious injuries when he crashed his motorcycle while riding without a helmet or a permit. He recovered in time for the '06 season, but according to teammates, "Big Ben" was being bashed behind his back by players dissatisfied with his work ethic and what they perceived as aloofness and a sense of entitlement.

Former Steelers running back Najeh Davenport says tensions had been building within the team.

Former NFL running back Najeh Davenport, who joined the Steelers that season after spending four seasons in Green Bay, says he soon heard the jabs at Roethlisberger, then 24, despite the quarterback's remarkable two-year résumé of success. "Team leaders there didn't respect the fact that he didn't respect what it took to be like a champion, like a true champion," Davenport says.

About 60 percent of the team felt that way, according to Davenport and former NFL safety Mike Logan, who was then in his fifth season with the club and is now a talk show host for ESPN Radio 1250 Pittsburgh. Logan says Roethlisberger was seen by some teammates as unapproachable for their social and charity events and to sign autographs for fundraisers.

Both players, who were interviewed recently by "Outside the Lines," say they liked Roethlisberger and had good relationships with him, but there was no doubting the rift on the team.

"It was the elephant in the room," Logan says. "It was being talked about in different sections of the locker room."

After opening the 2006 season with a win, the Steelers dropped three straight games and then, the players say, there was a memorable meeting of the entire team when linebacker and co-captain Joey Porter shattered any secrecy in the locker room about the sentiment against Roethlisberger.

Former teammates say then-Steelers linebacker Joey Porter called out quarterback Ben Roethlisberger in a 2006 locker room speech.

"It was just shocking to hear," Logan recalls. "Everyone wanted to say it, but no one [had] said it."

The "it" was the players' grievances against the third-year quarterback.

"Joey, we called him Peezy," Davenport says, "stood up and said, 'I got something to say.'"

Davenport says tensions had been building and building, and everyone in the room was quiet.

Porter then called Roethlisberger out as "the last person in the building and the first person to leave, not being dedicated to the team," Davenport says.

Next, Porter took Roethlisberger to task for separating himself from the team, according to Davenport.

"Last year you used to hang out with us," Davenport recalls Porter saying. "This year, it's like 'the Pittsburgh Steelers and Ben.'"

Logan credits the Porter speech for affecting the team and its signal-caller.

"I think that cleared a lot of the air, let the gas out, everyone was like, 'Ahhhhhh, we can breathe now, with it not being so tense now,'" Logan says. "I think it might've opened Ben's eyes a little, just to say, 'Hey, if I am a little more friendly to these guys, if I am a little more open, maybe I'll gain their respect.'"

Says Davenport: "[Porter] was basically telling Ben, 'You're our leader, you've got to be better. We win or lose on you,' and that was his whole thing, in so many words."

Roethlisberger silently absorbed the dressing down, according to Davenport.

Former Steeler Mike Logan says Joey Porter's speech had an impact on Ben Roethlisberger and the team.

Though the others present also kept quiet, Logan says, "It was kind of an eye-opener for everyone to say, 'Wow!'"

The speech "was so powerful," Davenport says, that the Steelers players and staff didn't say anything as they left the gathering. He said even then-head coach Bill Cowher didn't say anything.

"He walked out and everybody got up and just walked out behind him," Davenport says.

"I was walking out," Davenport adds, "and Ben was like right behind me with his hoodie on. I looked around and I seen him, could see it in his face, kind of like a scolding, someone gets in trouble and they really don't want to show emotion, but they're kind of feeling it inside."

Davenport and Logan say Roethlisberger seemed humbled after the Porter confrontation and that he became a more vocal leader and more accessible to his teammates.

That season, Pittsburgh finished with an 8-8 record. In 2007, the Steelers won 10 games and made the playoffs. A season later, led by Roethlisberger, they won 12 games and the NFL title, with one of the most thrilling finishes in Super Bowl history.

Roethlisberger, whose spokesman said he was unavailable to be interviewed for this story, was named to his first Pro Bowl in 2007 and elected a team captain for the first time in 2008. Porter, now with the Arizona Cardinals after three seasons with Miami, was released by the Steelers after the '06 season. He declined an interview request.

After two sexual assault allegations in the past 10 months, Roethlisberger's reputation is now in ruins. He hasn't been charged with a crime, but received a six-game suspension from the NFL for violating its personal conduct policy and the Steelers reportedly entertained trade offers for him. As the 2010 season approaches, Roethlisberger faces a new and profound credibility challenge in the locker room.

Fellow Steelers have expressed encouragement so far in limited interviews.

"He has to gain back the respect from his teammates because I think a lot of people lost respect for him, whether they'll say it on camera or not," says Logan, who keeps in touch with a number of current players. "They've seen Ben bounce back, they've seen him overcome and still have success, so they'll support him."

But there are caveats, Logan says, recalling Roethlisberger's upbraiding four years ago.

The players' attitude toward him now, he says, is, "We don't want to have to keep calling you out, having situations arise and then we revisit where we started from. No, you've done it long enough, you're 28 years old, we expect you to get the lessons without being reminded, there's no more time for that."

 
With "friends" like Davenport and Logan, Roethlisberger doesn't need any enemies. Talk about kicking a guy when he is down...

 
Good info. I agree that this should put to rest any question on this subject. I also think it's interesting that this happened in 2006 and recently we have heard that he doesn't really talk to the guy with the locker next to his. Doesn't make it sound like Porter calling him out totally changed his approach.

 
With "friends" like Davenport and Logan, Roethlisberger doesn't need any enemies. Talk about kicking a guy when he is down...
Judging from the article, Ben wasn't looking for any friends.
:confused:Ben's on my #### list, but perhaps this whole ordeal will help put things in perspective for him and this becomes a redemption story. If not, I hope he plays well at the end of this season so that his trade value goes up and we can get Locker in next year's draft.
 
ESPN radio in Pittsburgh carried the press conference but took a 10 minute commerical break just when they started taking questions. :goodposting: I hate this station with a passion.
I agree... ESPN 1250 is so infuriating!! I don't need to hear what Chris Mack and Mike Logan think about what just happened... I'd rather hear the questions and answers.hey... maybe you could talk your brother into shaking things up over there!!
 
Good info. I agree that this should put to rest any question on this subject. I also think it's interesting that this happened in 2006 and recently we have heard that he doesn't really talk to the guy with the locker next to his. Doesn't make it sound like Porter calling him out totally changed his approach.
:lmao: Quotes from the article:
Former Steeler Mike Logan says Joey Porter's speech had an impact on Ben Roethlisberger and the team.

Davenport and Logan say Roethlisberger seemed humbled after the Porter confrontation and that he became a more vocal leader and more accessible to his teammates.
 
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With "friends" like Davenport and Logan, Roethlisberger doesn't need any enemies. Talk about kicking a guy when he is down...
Judging from the article, Ben wasn't looking for any friends.
:lmao: Exactly..... sometimes you do get what you wish for.
Both players, who were interviewed recently by "Outside the Lines," say they liked Roethlisberger and had good relationships with him...
Sorry I don't see the point in Davenport & Logan talking about stuff that happened years ago behind closed doors in the locker room at a time when someone you supposedly like and had a good relationshipship with is at an all-time low. Ben is a dirtbag but Logan & Davenport are backstabbers & snitches...
 
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With "friends" like Davenport and Logan, Roethlisberger doesn't need any enemies. Talk about kicking a guy when he is down...
Judging from the article, Ben wasn't looking for any friends.
:thumbup: Exactly..... sometimes you do get what you wish for.
Both players, who were interviewed recently by "Outside the Lines," say they liked Roethlisberger and had good relationships with him...
Sorry I don't see the point in Davenport & Logan talking about stuff that happened years ago behind closed doors in the locker room at a time when someone you supposedly like and had a good relationshipship with is at an all-time low. Ben is a dirtbag but Logan & Davenport are backstabbers & snitches...
...but since they haven't been accused of rape, even pooping in somebody's closet doesn't discredit them from having an opinion on their old teammate. Point is, guy thought he was invincible on and off the field, somebody called him out about his work ethic, and that worked for a time. But nobody did him the favor of telling him how to improve his life off-field.
 
...but since they haven't been accused of rape, even pooping in somebody's closet doesn't discredit them from having an opinion on their old teammate. Point is, guy thought he was invincible on and off the field, somebody called him out about his work ethic, and that worked for a time. But nobody did him the favor of telling him how to improve his life off-field.
I don't disgree with anything you said here.
 
Good info. I agree that this should put to rest any question on this subject. I also think it's interesting that this happened in 2006 and recently we have heard that he doesn't really talk to the guy with the locker next to his. Doesn't make it sound like Porter calling him out totally changed his approach.
:lmao: Quotes from the article:
Former Steeler Mike Logan says Joey Porter's speech had an impact on Ben Roethlisberger and the team.

Davenport and Logan say Roethlisberger seemed humbled after the Porter confrontation and that he became a more vocal leader and more accessible to his teammates.
Logan also speculated in the article that Roethlisberger learned he should be more friendly. Your own quote from the article here says he became "more accessible to his teammates." Does barely talking to the guy with the next locker over the past 3 years suggest that he is more friendly or more "accessible"? :lmao:
 
Good info. I agree that this should put to rest any question on this subject. I also think it's interesting that this happened in 2006 and recently we have heard that he doesn't really talk to the guy with the locker next to his. Doesn't make it sound like Porter calling him out totally changed his approach.
:thumbup: Quotes from the article:
Former Steeler Mike Logan says Joey Porter's speech had an impact on Ben Roethlisberger and the team.

Davenport and Logan say Roethlisberger seemed humbled after the Porter confrontation and that he became a more vocal leader and more accessible to his teammates.
Logan also speculated in the article that Roethlisberger learned he should be more friendly. Your own quote from the article here says he became "more accessible to his teammates." Does barely talking to the guy with the next locker over the past 3 years suggest that he is more friendly or more "accessible"? :thumbup:
The guy in the next locker is a punter. Most players don't even consider kickers football players.
 

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