Is Doug Flutie a Hall of Famer? (1 Viewer)

[Ghost Rider]

This thread... http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=218404 ...has led to this poll.

 

[wannabee]

Flutie HoFCollege - maybeCanada - yesNFL - Definitely not. You must be joking

 

[GiantsRule]

I actually voted "no". I didn't think he should get in, I just don't think it's impossible and wouldn't be completely surprised if he did.

 

[CrossEyed]

What could possibly be the justification for putting Flutie in the HOF?

 

[gman8343]

huh?

 

[Football Expert]

Flutie HoF

College - maybe

Canada - yes

NFL - Definitely not. You must be joking

College- maybe?He held several passing records when he left and ran away with the heisman in his senior year. I would say definite yes in college and CFL.

 

[fruity pebbles]

He shouldn't even be nominated

 

[jwvdcw]

Flutie HoF

College - maybe

Canada - yes

NFL - Definitely not. You must be joking

But there is no NFL HOF. There is only a pro football HOF.

 

[RoarinSonoran]

What could possibly be the justification for putting Flutie in the HOF?

First dropkick in 64 years?

 

[cracKer]

Why would he?How many of the CFL's all-time greats are in the HOF?no chance in hell

 

[fruity pebbles]

Flutie HoF

College - maybe

Canada - yes

NFL - Definitely not.  You must be joking

But there is no NFL HOF. There is only a pro football HOF.

That's because of the AFL, it wasn't meant to enshrine members of the CFL, Arena league, and various women's leagues across the nation.

 

[Revo]

91 career appearances over 13 NFL seasons == HOF????? And 6 people voted yes?? Ay yi yi.....Darren Flutie has more justification to be enshrined!!

 

[Hobbes]

Whomever voted Yes should be stoned to death.

 

[gbill2004]

I live in Canada, and am a big CFL fan, and the general concensus in Canada is that Doug Flutie is the best CFL player ever. He owns almost all CFL passing/QB records. So, I would argue that, yes, Doug Flutie belongs in the football hall of fame.

 

[Tau837]

I live in Canada, and am a big CFL fan, and the general concensus in Canada is that Doug Flutie is the best CFL player ever. He owns almost all CFL passing/QB records. So, I would argue that, yes, Doug Flutie belongs in the football hall of fame.

There is no hall of fame that includes NFL players and CFL players. The Pro Football Hall of Fame is named that way because it includes the AFL prior to its merger with the NFL. If the CFL has a HOF, Flutie is a lock. He has no shot at the NFL/AFL HOF.

 

[wannabee]

Flutie HoF

College - maybe

Canada - yes

NFL - Definitely not.  You must be joking

College- maybe?He held several passing records when he left and ran away with the heisman in his senior year. I would say definite yes in college and CFL.

Which national records does he hold at present? Yes, he was a good college player. But, he is NOT a shoo in for the college hall of fame.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Whomever voted Yes should be stoned to death.

I think they're way ahead of you on the "stoned" part.

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

He should have his right shoe in the Hall of Fame for today's Drop Kick.Other than that, the only reason he should be in the Hall of Fame is if he's paying admission.

 

[GATOR HATER]

Flutie Flakes--- HOF YES!!!!!!!!!Flutie-------------Hof NO!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Csonka4life]

If he gets in why not let everyone in. Infact I nominate Joe Dudeck............

 

[PMENFAN]

He'll go in, because it's not the NFL hall of fame, but the pro football hall of fame. You may not like the CFL, but it is a from football league, and he has 3 Gray Cups, and 6 consecutive MVP's, which only ended, because he came to the NFL. In the NFL, he led the Bill to the playoffs, to be benched in favor of Rob Johnson. Laugh all you want, but he's a Hall of Famer for his achievements as Pro Football Player.

 

[PMENFAN]

Flutie HoF

College - maybe

Canada - yes

NFL - Definitely not. You must be joking

College- maybe?He held several passing records when he left and ran away with the heisman in his senior year. I would say definite yes in college and CFL.

Which national records does he hold at present? Yes, he was a good college player. But, he is NOT a shoo in for the college hall of fame.

He won the Heisman, and was college balls leading passer when he left. I can see the no NFL argument to the Hall of Fame (which I disagree with), but how could you keep him out of college balls HOF?

 

[encaitar]

Doug Flutie isn't a Hall of Famer. He wouldn't be a Hall-of-Famer if we included his CFL stats because the voting committee wouldn't give them much weight considering they were against lesser opponents. Even if we did add those stats in, they would be compared to the stats of guys like Marino, Elway, Favre and Young who were putting up BETTER stats at the same time IN THE NFL! No, Flutie had a great Canadian career and if Canada has a CFL Hall of Fame, he should be in their undoubtedly, but he doesn't deserve, nor will he get cast in Canton.

 

[fruity pebbles]

He'll go in, because it's not the NFL hall of fame, but the pro football hall of fame. You may not like the CFL, but it is a from football league, and he has 3 Gray Cups, and 6 consecutive MVP's, which only ended, because he came to the NFL. In the NFL, he led the Bill to the playoffs, to be benched in favor of Rob Johnson.

Laugh all you want, but he's a Hall of Famer for his achievements as Pro Football Player.

Haven't we been over this a thousand times?

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

He'll go in, because it's not the NFL hall of fame, but the pro football hall of fame.  You may not like the CFL, but it is a from football league, and he has 3 Gray Cups, and 6 consecutive MVP's, which only ended, because he came to the NFL.  In the NFL, he led the Bill to the playoffs, to be benched in favor of Rob Johnson. 

Laugh all you want, but he's a Hall of Famer for his achievements as  Pro Football Player.

Haven't we been over this a thousand times?

If that's the case, then why the hell isn't Warren Moon in there yet? Puhlease.... Or Joe Theisman as in Heisman?

 

[Chaka]

Not even worth discussion.I would put Vinny in before Flutie, and Vinny doesn't belong either.

 

[wannabee]

Flutie HoF

College - maybe

Canada - yes

NFL - Definitely not.  You must be joking

College- maybe?He held several passing records when he left and ran away with the heisman in his senior year. I would say definite yes in college and CFL.

Which national records does he hold at present? Yes, he was a good college player. But, he is NOT a shoo in for the college hall of fame.

He won the Heisman, and was college balls leading passer when he left. I can see the no NFL argument to the Hall of Fame (which I disagree with), but how could you keep him out of college balls HOF?

If you re-read the quote you responded to, you will see that I was not against his college HoF - though I do not see it as a done deal. I think he was a good college player. But, you will see the poster said he help SEVERAL records. I was asking which ones held up if he was so good. And, the Heisman argument is very weak at best. So, should Jason White get in?

 

[Tau837]

He'll go in, because it's not the NFL hall of fame, but the pro football hall of fame.  You may not like the CFL, but it is a from football league, and he has 3 Gray Cups, and 6 consecutive MVP's, which only ended, because he came to the NFL.  In the NFL, he led the Bill to the playoffs, to be benched in favor of Rob Johnson. 

Laugh all you want, but he's a Hall of Famer for his achievements as  Pro Football Player.

Haven't we been over this a thousand times?

If that's the case, then why the hell isn't Warren Moon in there yet? Puhlease.... Or Joe Theisman as in Heisman?

Warren Moon's first year of eligibility is 2006, since he last played in the 2000 season. He will be in, but he will make it based on his NFL accomplishments. He is in the top 5 all time (for the NFL/AFL) in pass attempts, completions, passing yards, and passing TDs. And he made 9 Pro Bowls.None of this has anything to do with Doug Flutie, who has no chance of making it... since it is the NFL/AFL Hall of Fame.

 

[Traders2001]

Not even worth discussion.

I would put Vinny in before Flutie, and Vinny doesn't belong either.

Vinny .What has he accomplished , the only good part of Vinny is that he played until he is old enough to be a great grand father.

All Vinny did in his carreer is throw int's and lose football game.

 

[Football Expert]

Flutie HoF

College - maybe

Canada - yes

NFL - Definitely not.  You must be joking

College- maybe?He held several passing records when he left and ran away with the heisman in his senior year. I would say definite yes in college and CFL.

Which national records does he hold at present? Yes, he was a good college player. But, he is NOT a shoo in for the college hall of fame.

He won the Heisman, and was college balls leading passer when he left. I can see the no NFL argument to the Hall of Fame (which I disagree with), but how could you keep him out of college balls HOF?

If you re-read the quote you responded to, you will see that I was not against his college HoF - though I do not see it as a done deal. I think he was a good college player. But, you will see the poster said he help SEVERAL records. I was asking which ones held up if he was so good. And, the Heisman argument is very weak at best. So, should Jason White get in?

You stated that he was not a shoo in. There are well over a 100 quarterbacks in the college football hall of fame. Flutie threw for more yards than everyone of them. He also won a heisman by the largest margin in history. I don't think there is an eligible heisman trophy winner that is not in the College Football Hall of Fame.What records does he still hold? Probably none but the college game has changed since he played.

Here is an article ranking him no. 40 of all the players ever to play college football.

http://www.collegefootballnews.com/Top_100...Doug_Flutie.htm

He is a as much a shoo in for the college football hall of fame as Jerry Rice is for the pro football hall of fame.

 

[BigRed]

SUH-WEET GB another HoF thread Yes he is, along with Rod Smith, Vinny T, Joey T, Keith Jackson, etc etc etc

 

[SofaKings.]

He's a Patriot. He's thrown out the first pitch at Fenway. Of course he'll be in the HOF.

 

[J-Co]

Yes [ 27 ]  [22.13%]

No [ 93 ]  [76.23%]

Are you people out of your minds? I like the guy. Basically everybody likes the guy. It's hard not to. But he wouldn't have any place in the HOF if you quadrupled the number of inductees every year. Might be time to see the doctor and renew those Prozac prescriptions.

 

[Revo]

He'll go in, because it's not the NFL hall of fame, but the pro football hall of fame. You may not like the CFL, but it is a from football league, and he has 3 Gray Cups, and 6 consecutive MVP's, which only ended, because he came to the NFL. In the NFL, he led the Bill to the playoffs, to be benched in favor of Rob Johnson.

Laugh all you want, but he's a Hall of Famer for his achievements as Pro Football Player.

Number of Canadians on the Enshrinement Committe: zero.Number of players enshrined who played predominantly in the CFL: zero.

People who think Doug Flutie is a HOFer based on his CFL accomplishments: priceless!

 

[MarshallRob]

There is no hall of fame that includes NFL players and CFL players. The Pro Football Hall of Fame is named that way because it includes the AFL prior to its merger with the NFL.

I doubt the existence of the AFL (founded in 1960) has anything to do with the name of the Pro Football Hall of Fame (opened in 1963). I can think of at least three possible reasons the words "Pro Football" rather than "National Football League" precede the words "Hall of Fame":1) A couple of NFL franchises, the Bears and the Cardinals, can trace their origins back prior to the formation of the NFL, and at least one original Hall of Famer, Jim Thorpe, had been playing professional football for several years before the NFL started. Professional football predates the NFL.

2) A few other franchises as of 1963 had begun life in rival leagues, most notably the Browns and 49'ers from the All-American Football Conference (though the statistics from those other leagues are not counted as official the way the 1960-1969 AFL stats are). Also, at least two original Hall of Famers, Thorpe and Red Grange, interrupted their NFL careers to play for professional teams not in the NFL. It wasn't clear in the 1920's that the NFL was going to wind up as THE professional football league. (Racism forced one new Hall of Famer, Fritz Pollard, to play most of his professional career outside the NFL).

3) For its first two seasons, the NFL was named "The American Professional Football Association".

I can think of no possible reasons why Doug Flutie should be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

 

[Tau837]

There is no hall of fame that includes NFL players and CFL players.  The Pro Football Hall of Fame is named that way because it includes the AFL prior to its merger with the NFL. 

I doubt the existence of the AFL (founded in 1960) has anything to do with the name of the Pro Football Hall of Fame (opened in 1963). I can think of at least three possible reasons the words "Pro Football" rather than "National Football League" precede the words "Hall of Fame":1) A couple of NFL franchises, the Bears and the Cardinals, can trace their origins back prior to the formation of the NFL, and at least one original Hall of Famer, Jim Thorpe, had been playing professional football for several years before the NFL started. Professional football predates the NFL.

2) A few other franchises as of 1963 had begun life in rival leagues, most notably the Browns and 49'ers from the All-American Football Conference (though the statistics from those other leagues are not counted as official the way the 1960-1969 AFL stats are). Also, at least two original Hall of Famers, Thorpe and Red Grange, interrupted their NFL careers to play for professional teams not in the NFL. It wasn't clear in the 1920's that the NFL was going to wind up as THE professional football league. (Racism forced one new Hall of Famer, Fritz Pollard, to play most of his professional career outside the NFL).

3) For its first two seasons, the NFL was named "The American Professional Football Association".

I stand corrected. But that doesn't change anything with regard to Flutie. We agree on that:

I can think of no possible reasons why Doug Flutie should be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

 

[Csonka4life]

The CFL has it's own hall and it's in Hamilton Ontario. He will be an automatic choice, his brother Darren will make it too. Darren was a CFL version of Largent........

 

[Tick]

I don't think he should make it, but do think his CFL accomplishments should be considered. Vladislav Tretiak is in the Hockey Hall of Fame.

 

[Tau837]

I don't think he should make it, but do think his CFL accomplishments should be considered. Vladislav Tretiak is in the Hockey Hall of Fame.

One thing (NFL HOF) doesn't have to do with the other (Hockey HOF) here. Besides, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that politics prevented Tretiak from ever having an opportunity to play in the NHL, whereas Flutie tried but wasn't good enough to excel in the NFL. Totally different situations IMO.

 

[Mungo Burrows]

In the NFL, he led the Bill to the playoffs, to be benched in favor of Rob Johnson.

I think that sums it up right there.

 

[Spike]

He'll go in, because it's not the NFL hall of fame, but the pro football hall of fame.  You may not like the CFL, but it is a from football league, and he has 3 Gray Cups, and 6 consecutive MVP's, which only ended, because he came to the NFL.  In the NFL, he led the Bill to the playoffs, to be benched in favor of Rob Johnson. 

Laugh all you want, but he's a Hall of Famer for his achievements as  Pro Football Player.

Haven't we been over this a thousand times?

If that's the case, then why the hell isn't Warren Moon in there yet? Puhlease.... Or Joe Theisman as in Heisman?

Warren Moon was MUCH better than Flutie as a pro quarterback.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Of course Flutie's CFL years shouldn't count, but his one year of USFL stats

Passing               att  comp %    yds. avg. TD    %    i    %    rat     Flutie    281  134  47.7 2109 7.51 13   4.6  14   5.0  67.8

Clinch it!No!

 

[Christo]

I thought I'd bump this back up given his retirement today.

I'd like to think that his accomplishments in the CFL (41,000 passing yards/6 MVPs/3 Grey Cups) in addition to the fact that he survived so long in the NFL would at least get the sportswriters buzzing.

 

[Englishteacher]

he's getting ready to be a Hall of Fame broadcaster

move over self proclaimed HOF broadcaster Sean "Muttonhead " Salisbury

 

[Borat]

In the NFL, he led the Bill to the playoffs, to be benched in favor of Rob Johnson. 

I think that sums it up right there.

But that turned out to be a big mistake by a lousy coaching staff. It shouldn't be held against Flutie.And no, I don't think he's a HoFer.

 

[redman]

Is there a height requirement?

 

[Banger]

 

[Borat]

Of course he's a Hall of Famer. He successfully performed the first drop-kick in years!

 

[amnesiac]

i voted yes, because it doesn't matter what we vote.

btw, i'd like to nominate Lee Suggs for the HOF.

 

[oddball]

The selection process consists of 32 sports writers and 6 'at large' selectors. Will sports writers elect him? Probably not.

He's a real feel-good story, with tons of heart. But he won't go in. Tis a shame...