Is FF Gambling (1 Viewer)

[KellysHeroes]

I only use Paypal for FF dues collecting. I recently recieved an email yesterday that my account is limited because I'm using it for Gambling.

I got this settled now... Do Not but the word "Paypal" in your money league Ads. I had to remove the word "Paypal" and then place a disclaimer.

But they warned me that if I'm caught using Paypal as a form of collecting money for Gambling..my account will be locked.

My question now.... is FF Illegal Gambling?

 

[bcr8f]

I only use Paypal for FF dues collecting. I recently recieved an email yesterday that my account is limited because I'm using it for Gambling. I think this is because the last guy to pay me wrote FF Dues on the subject.So now what do I do.

Tell them it isn't true. Dues don't mean gambling. Tell them they are membership dues. They'll look into it and drop it probably.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I only use Paypal for FF dues collecting. I recently recieved an email yesterday that my account is limited because I'm using it for Gambling. I think this is because the last guy to pay me wrote FF Dues on the subject.So now what do I do.

Tell them it isn't true. Dues don't mean gambling. Tell them they are membership dues. They'll look into it and drop it probably.

Has it happen to you???? Is that what u did.I wrote to customer service asking what I done wrong.

 

[pack100]

You removed Adrian Peterson

 

[KellysHeroes]

bump

 

[secretid]

I mean it is gambling. It's also legal gambling.

 

[BLOX]

Basically it's a huge company getting people to put money into accounts and then they create rules to limit how the money is taken out or used.

Then, if they suspect you made a dollar at any point in your life, they begin to charge for receiving money via paypal. Unfortunately, they get away with it, and with so many people using it they make tons of money doing almost nothing.

 

[JohnnyU]

This is a good warning. Just to be safe, everyone that uses PayPal to collect fees should warn their owners not to put anything in the payment that indicates gambling or fantasy sports.

 

[JohnnyU]

Is it legal for them to freeze an account if they suspect you are collecting $$$ from Fantasy Sports? I would think you could sue the pants off them for doing that.

 

[Jason Wood]

Playing fantasy football isn't gambling. Placing monies into a kitty to be paid out based on the outcome of said fantasy football league is, of course, gambling.

 

[Unlucky]

This is not good news. I believe that FF is NOT gambling, but rather a contest of skill. My main reason for that is that you can place me in a league vs. people that are drafting at random, submitting their lineup at random, etc., and I will win 100% of the time. The contest of FF is over the course of an entire season, and dependent on multiple events, not just one.

I'm going to look into another payment processor other than Paypal next season. I can't risk getting all of the Phenoms FF entry fees locked because someone at Paypal doesn't understand the legality of FF. If the NFL runs fantasy leagues, I'm pretty sure it's legal in those states.

 

[Unlucky]

Playing fantasy football isn't gambling. Placing monies into a kitty to be paid out based on the outcome of said fantasy football league is, of course, gambling.

I disagree, and so do many state laws. Gambling is often determined by how much the element of chance plays into the result. I would say that in FF, chance plays such a small role compared to skill. FF Owners don't draft players at random. They aren't submitting lineups at random. They aren't picking up random players off the waiver wire. All of that is skill. Just because everyone in the league has a good amount of skill doesn't mean that chance is now more of a factor.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Playing fantasy football isn't gambling. Placing monies into a kitty to be paid out based on the outcome of said fantasy football league is, of course, gambling.

I disagree, and so do many state laws. Gambling is often determined by how much the element of chance plays into the result. I would say that in FF, chance plays such a small role compared to skill. FF Owners don't draft players at random. They aren't submitting lineups at random. They aren't picking up random players off the waiver wire. All of that is skill. Just because everyone in the league has a good amount of skill doesn't mean that chance is now more of a factor.

Poker is also not a complete game of luck yet it is ruled as gambling.

 

[GreenNGold]

Playing fantasy football isn't gambling. Placing monies into a kitty to be paid out based on the outcome of said fantasy football league is, of course, gambling.

I disagree, and so do many state laws. Gambling is often determined by how much the element of chance plays into the result. I would say that in FF, chance plays such a small role compared to skill. FF Owners don't draft players at random. They aren't submitting lineups at random. They aren't picking up random players off the waiver wire. All of that is skill. Just because everyone in the league has a good amount of skill doesn't mean that chance is now more of a factor.

Exactly, it is considered a game of skill (except for in a handful of states). If it was illegal online gambling, you can bet the Fed would be going after CBS and the other major fantasy sites.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Playing fantasy football isn't gambling. Placing monies into a kitty to be paid out based on the outcome of said fantasy football league is, of course, gambling.

I disagree, and so do many state laws. Gambling is often determined by how much the element of chance plays into the result. I would say that in FF, chance plays such a small role compared to skill. FF Owners don't draft players at random. They aren't submitting lineups at random. They aren't picking up random players off the waiver wire. All of that is skill. Just because everyone in the league has a good amount of skill doesn't mean that chance is now more of a factor.

Poker is also not a complete game of luck yet it is ruled as gambling.

Playing poker for money is legal in Ohio as long as all money bet or chips paid for is paid out and 'the house' gets nothing. Shouldn't fantasy games be the same?

 

[JohnnyU]

Again, isn't it illegal for PayPal to freeze accounts? Isn't that a lawsuit waiting to happen? Isn't that stealing on their part?

I wonder what the BBB would have to say to PayPal for freezing accts because of this?

 

[CapnJB]

Playing fantasy football isn't gambling. Placing monies into a kitty to be paid out based on the outcome of said fantasy football league is, of course, gambling.

I disagree, and so do many state laws. Gambling is often determined by how much the element of chance plays into the result. I would say that in FF, chance plays such a small role compared to skill. FF Owners don't draft players at random. They aren't submitting lineups at random. They aren't picking up random players off the waiver wire. All of that is skill. Just because everyone in the league has a good amount of skill doesn't mean that chance is now more of a factor.

So it's cool for NFL, MLB, NBA coaches to place wagers with other coaches? To be topical, how about dog fighting? Chance would play even less of a role there. Train your dog well and it's your skill as an owner that won the fight.... right? Street racing... now there's something that's all about skill!

 

[hellz_fireflies]

Not 100% sure but I believe there is some kind of law about winning anything over $4999 online to be called gambling.

There are plenty of games of chance/contests online besides FF, example is POGO I pay for my two kids to play this and they do have a chance (by luck) to win up to $4999 only...thats the highest limit awarded.

 

[switz]

I only use Paypal for FF dues collecting. I recently recieved an email yesterday that my account is limited because I'm using it for Gambling. I think this is because the last guy to pay me wrote FF Dues on the subject.So now what do I do.

Tell them it isn't true. Dues don't mean gambling. Tell them they are membership dues. They'll look into it and drop it probably.

Tell them no one wins money, and it's just contributions to pay for the league management site. Hence there is no gambling, because there are no winnings.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Again, isn't it illegal for PayPal to freeze accounts? Isn't that a lawsuit waiting to happen? Isn't that stealing on their part?I wonder what the BBB would have to say to PayPal for freezing accts because of this?

Well... they did it... and I had to place their silly little disclaimer on my ad for them. They then unfroze my account. Just don't use the word "Paypal" in your ad...

 

[JohnnyU]

Again, isn't it illegal for PayPal to freeze accounts? Isn't that a lawsuit waiting to happen? Isn't that stealing on their part?I wonder what the BBB would have to say to PayPal for freezing accts because of this?

Well... they did it... and I had to place their silly little disclaimer on my ad for them. They then unfroze my account. Just don't use the word "Paypal" in your ad...

What do you mean by League Ad? I thought you meant they were going to freeze your accout because someone put Fantasy dues, or Fantasy Football in the Subject line of the payment? Even after you put in a disclaimer you said, "But they warned me that if I'm caught using Paypal as a form of collecting money for Gambling..my account will be locked". That sounds to me like we are talking about 2 different things. One, League Ads (whatever that means), and two, putting dues, fantasy, etc. etc. in the Subj line of the payment. The second of which you indicate they will freeze your account.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Again, isn't it illegal for PayPal to freeze accounts? Isn't that a lawsuit waiting to happen? Isn't that stealing on their part?

I wonder what the BBB would have to say to PayPal for freezing accts because of this?

Well... they did it... and I had to place their silly little disclaimer on my ad for them. They then unfroze my account. Just don't use the word "Paypal" in your ad...

What do you mean by League Ad? I thought you meant they were going to freeze your accout because someone put Fantasy dues, or Fantasy Football in the Subject line of the payment?

OH... no, it turned out that one of my $$ league ads on a FF site had "Paypal" in it. So in that ad I had to place a disclaimer Disclaimer: at the time of Joining:

Intended for play only within the 50 United States (and the District of Columbia). U.S. law

governs this promotion. Only open to U.S. residents, 18 years of age or

older only. Void in all U.S. Territories (e.g. Guam and Puerto Rico) and

where prohibited by law. If you are a resident of states Arizona, Connecticut, Florida, Louisiana, Montana and Vermont, you are permitted to purchase and be a participant in the game, but you not eligible to win any of the promotional prizes.

 

[JohnnyU]

Again, isn't it illegal for PayPal to freeze accounts? Isn't that a lawsuit waiting to happen? Isn't that stealing on their part?

I wonder what the BBB would have to say to PayPal for freezing accts because of this?

Well... they did it... and I had to place their silly little disclaimer on my ad for them. They then unfroze my account. Just don't use the word "Paypal" in your ad...

What do you mean by League Ad? I thought you meant they were going to freeze your accout because someone put Fantasy dues, or Fantasy Football in the Subject line of the payment?

OH... no, it turned out that one of my $$ league ads on a FF site had "Paypal" in it. So in that ad I had to place a disclaimer Disclaimer: at the time of Joining:

Intended for play only within the 50 United States (and the District of Columbia). U.S. law

governs this promotion. Only open to U.S. residents, 18 years of age or

older only. Void in all U.S. Territories (e.g. Guam and Puerto Rico) and

where prohibited by law. If you are a resident of states Arizona, Connecticut, Florida, Louisiana, Montana and Vermont, you are permitted to purchase and be a participant in the game, but you not eligible to win any of the promotional prizes.

So basically they froze your account because of the Ad, not because someone put the word dues, or Fantasy Football fees, etc. in the Subj line. However, they indicated they would freeze your account if they thought the money was used in gambling, which you are just warning us not to use these words in the subj. Correct?

 

[hellz_fireflies]

Again, isn't it illegal for PayPal to freeze accounts? Isn't that a lawsuit waiting to happen? Isn't that stealing on their part?

I wonder what the BBB would have to say to PayPal for freezing accts because of this?

Well... they did it... and I had to place their silly little disclaimer on my ad for them. They then unfroze my account. Just don't use the word "Paypal" in your ad...

What do you mean by League Ad? I thought you meant they were going to freeze your accout because someone put Fantasy dues, or Fantasy Football in the Subject line of the payment?

OH... no, it turned out that one of my $$ league ads on a FF site had "Paypal" in it. So in that ad I had to place a disclaimer Disclaimer: at the time of Joining:

Intended for play only within the 50 United States (and the District of Columbia). U.S. law

governs this promotion. Only open to U.S. residents, 18 years of age or

older only. Void in all U.S. Territories (e.g. Guam and Puerto Rico) and

where prohibited by law. If you are a resident of states Arizona, Connecticut, Florida, Louisiana, Montana and Vermont, you are permitted to purchase and be a participant in the game, but you not eligible to win any of the promotional prizes.

So basically they froze your account because of the Ad, not because someone put the word dues, or Fantasy Football fees, etc. in the Subj line. However, they indicated they would freeze your account if they thought the money was used in gambling, which you are just warning us not to use these words in the subj. Correct?

Well thats your answer..you placed PayPal in the ad without Paypal's permission and PayPal most likely doesn't want to have their name on a FF site ad..All you had to do was place payment options in the rules section,not place in main site AD.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

Playing fantasy football isn't gambling. Placing monies into a kitty to be paid out based on the outcome of said fantasy football league is, of course, gambling.

I disagree, and so do many state laws. Gambling is often determined by how much the element of chance plays into the result. I would say that in FF, chance plays such a small role compared to skill. FF Owners don't draft players at random. They aren't submitting lineups at random. They aren't picking up random players off the waiver wire. All of that is skill. Just because everyone in the league has a good amount of skill doesn't mean that chance is now more of a factor.

Exactly, it is considered a game of skill (except for in a handful of states). If it was illegal online gambling, you can bet the Fed would be going after CBS and the other major fantasy sites.

The Feds not going after CBS et al has nothing to do with luck vs. skill. They don't go after fantasy sites because they aren't collecting a rake or a vig, and because they do no re-distributions of what they collect from leagues - you're paying CBS to facilitate online management of your fantasy league, and you're paying their administrative fee whether or not your league has dues, fees, winnings, payouts, whatever. Just-for-fun leagues have to pay the same admin fee as $$$ leagues, so CBS, MFL etc are in the clear.ETA: Fundamentally, there's no difference between fantasy football and filling out an NCAA pool. If you consider one to be gambling, then the other one has to be considered gambling also.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Playing fantasy football isn't gambling. Placing monies into a kitty to be paid out based on the outcome of said fantasy football league is, of course, gambling.

I disagree, and so do many state laws. Gambling is often determined by how much the element of chance plays into the result. I would say that in FF, chance plays such a small role compared to skill. FF Owners don't draft players at random. They aren't submitting lineups at random. They aren't picking up random players off the waiver wire. All of that is skill. Just because everyone in the league has a good amount of skill doesn't mean that chance is now more of a factor.

I dont randomly select which football teams to bet on in a parlay either.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Again, isn't it illegal for PayPal to freeze accounts? Isn't that a lawsuit waiting to happen? Isn't that stealing on their part?

I wonder what the BBB would have to say to PayPal for freezing accts because of this?

Well... they did it... and I had to place their silly little disclaimer on my ad for them. They then unfroze my account. Just don't use the word "Paypal" in your ad...

What do you mean by League Ad? I thought you meant they were going to freeze your accout because someone put Fantasy dues, or Fantasy Football in the Subject line of the payment?

OH... no, it turned out that one of my $$ league ads on a FF site had "Paypal" in it. So in that ad I had to place a disclaimer Disclaimer: at the time of Joining:

Intended for play only within the 50 United States (and the District of Columbia). U.S. law

governs this promotion. Only open to U.S. residents, 18 years of age or

older only. Void in all U.S. Territories (e.g. Guam and Puerto Rico) and

where prohibited by law. If you are a resident of states Arizona, Connecticut, Florida, Louisiana, Montana and Vermont, you are permitted to purchase and be a participant in the game, but you not eligible to win any of the promotional prizes.

So basically they froze your account because of the Ad, not because someone put the word dues, or Fantasy Football fees, etc. in the Subj line. However, they indicated they would freeze your account if they thought the money was used in gambling, which you are just warning us not to use these words in the subj. Correct?

Well thats your answer..you placed PayPal in the ad without Paypal's permission and PayPal most likely doesn't want to have their name on a FF site ad..All you had to do was place payment options in the rules section,not place in main site AD.

Thats what I've been trying to tell u

 

[hellz_fireflies]

Again, isn't it illegal for PayPal to freeze accounts? Isn't that a lawsuit waiting to happen? Isn't that stealing on their part?

I wonder what the BBB would have to say to PayPal for freezing accts because of this?

Well... they did it... and I had to place their silly little disclaimer on my ad for them. They then unfroze my account. Just don't use the word "Paypal" in your ad...

What do you mean by League Ad? I thought you meant they were going to freeze your accout because someone put Fantasy dues, or Fantasy Football in the Subject line of the payment?

OH... no, it turned out that one of my $$ league ads on a FF site had "Paypal" in it. So in that ad I had to place a disclaimer Disclaimer: at the time of Joining:

Intended for play only within the 50 United States (and the District of Columbia). U.S. law

governs this promotion. Only open to U.S. residents, 18 years of age or

older only. Void in all U.S. Territories (e.g. Guam and Puerto Rico) and

where prohibited by law. If you are a resident of states Arizona, Connecticut, Florida, Louisiana, Montana and Vermont, you are permitted to purchase and be a participant in the game, but you not eligible to win any of the promotional prizes.

So basically they froze your account because of the Ad, not because someone put the word dues, or Fantasy Football fees, etc. in the Subj line. However, they indicated they would freeze your account if they thought the money was used in gambling, which you are just warning us not to use these words in the subj. Correct?

Well thats your answer..you placed PayPal in the ad without Paypal's permission and PayPal most likely doesn't want to have their name on a FF site ad..All you had to do was place payment options in the rules section,not place in main site AD.

Thats what I've been trying to tell u

That's the answer to the topic (is FF gambling) PayPal doesn't see it that way. You made a mistake and placed their name in a ad on your site's main page..so they wanted you to add a disclaimer to it..the rest of what PayPal told you is just in case that site does go beyond their rules (since you already broken one of them).Did you ever see a FF site with PayPal on main page yet as a Ad?