Is it just me, or is Jake Delhomme being incredibly under rated this year? I mean, not only is he still passing to Steve Smith, but now with his new weapon in Keyshawn Johnson, he'll be not only getting an easier coverage to handle, but less pressure from the line due to more people dropping back into a zone or man! Not to mention the fact that Carolina doesn't exactly have a good running game, so they'll have to rely on passing more. Now, I'm no expert, but that's just something that irks me. I mean, somebody took Delhomme in the 6th round, and got yelled at by some elitist that kept on saying about how Delhomme is a 9th rounder at best. Somebody mind clarifying?
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Is it just me, or is Delhomme underrated? (1 Viewer)
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Lightning Fast Whip
Footballguy
I'd say part of it is Panthers drafting another RB...and Fox preferring to run. They can pass but they'd prefer to run it and with another weapon in DeAngelo they may be capable of churning out more carries than last year. He's solid but I don't think most drafters see the upside they do with other teams QBs that are available around the same time in drafts.
I see where you're coming from, and I have to disagree. Sure, DeAngelo Williams is a great back, but he's still a rookie. DeShaun Foster has been proven to be no stud RB. Seriously, it's like Carolina gets a hot shot RB in the draft and everybody expects him to perform in his rookie year when he's sharing touches with another, reasonably proven RB. I never thought I'd say this, but for some reason, Delhomme has become a sleeper in most drafts. Sounds funny, don't it?
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MLBrandow
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With injuries out the wazoo at RB the last 3 years, CAR RB = top-10 all three.I shudder to imagine what DeAngelo Williams will do when Fox can make Nick Goings look like Emmitt Smith.
Delhomme's position ranks the last 3 seasons, 15, 7, 12.
He's currenty being drafted as QB9 (7.05 in 12TRSS).
How is he a sleeper? If anything, he's overrated. He's much more likely to hit his '03 numbers than his '04 numbers.
'03 Steve Smith + '03 Muhsin Muhammad = '06 Steve Smith + '06 Keyshawn Johnson, more or less. I mean that in that these two will likely combine for about 2,000 yards.
And the running game will be better.
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The Jerk
Footballguy
I agree with you, Kayoh. Delhomme put up low-end QB1 stats last year despite playing against a very difficult passing schedule. I think he's a legitimate threat to finish top 6 among QBs in 2006. As for the 6th round vs. 9th round comment... that depends on your league both in terms of scoring and in terms of league drafting tendencies. Most likely, the comment comes from a self-appointed football genius who tries to look like the the next John Clayton at every draft (there's usually one in every league)... OR someone who was upset because he was hoping to get Delhomme later in the draft.
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The Jerk
Footballguy
I'll admit that's my biggest concern too. I think Delhomme has one of the largest swings possible of any QB. As I posted earlier, I can see him top 6, but it's also possible for him to slip all the way to the high teens.People should reconcile this concern over Delhomme with Steve Smith's top 3 WR rankings, IMO.if Carolina needs to pass then Delhomme is a great play. I picked him up off waivers two years ago and it helped lead me to a championship, but this is a team that wants to run. If the run game is strong, Delhomme barely posts 200 and a touch
duaneok66
Footballguy
top 6 is stretching it . . . the run game is improved (theroretically) with Williams, so I don't see them passing more . . .
The Jerk
Footballguy
Agreed. However, after you get past Peyton, Brady, Hasselbeck, and Palmer, I'm not willing to count anyone as a lock to outperform him. I'm not PREDICTING top 6, that's just upside... I think that's clear by the use of the words "legitimate threat" in my initial post.
duaneok66
Footballguy
You forgot Bulger; Linehan passes more than Fox ( and Linehan will actually give Bulger some protection, which is something Martz failed to do . . .
The Jerk
Footballguy
Duane,Bulger only makes it 5, leaving Delhomme to be 6th.
For the record, count me among those likely to wait until at least the 7th round on Jake. Just like I can't find more than 4 or 5 QBs likely to clearly outperform him, so also can I not guarantee he'll clearly top guys like McNabb, Eli, Green, Plummer, Brooks, etc. Throw in wildcards like Vick (to me), Culpepper, etc. and he could be 15th or worse... It's a real toss-up after you get past the top 5, and Delhomme is maybe the hardest to figure of any of the next dozen or so QBs.
ETA: Remember, my initial justification is that Delhomme is worth drafting before the 9th round. I'm still quite comfortable with that.
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MLBrandow
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add to the Jerk:
This is why you wait on QBs not named Manning/Palmer.
After those two, you have about a dozen guys over the next 7 rounds that are all interchangable.
This is why you wait on QBs not named Manning/Palmer.
After those two, you have about a dozen guys over the next 7 rounds that are all interchangable.
duaneok66
Footballguy
Duane,Bulger only makes it 5, leaving Delhomme to be 6th.
For the record, count me among those likely to wait until at least the 7th round on Jake. Just like I can't find more than 4 or 5 QBs likely to clearly outperform him, so also can I not guarantee he'll clearly top guys like McNabb, Eli, Green, Plummer, Brooks, etc. Throw in wildcards like Vick (to me), Culpepper, etc. and he could be 15th or worse... It's a real toss-up after you get past the top 5, and Delhomme is maybe the hardest to figure of any of the next dozen or so QBs.
ETA: Remember, my initial justification is that Delhomme is worth drafting before the 9th round. I'm still quite comfortable with that.
The Jerk
Footballguy
Maybe not interchangeable (Hasselbeck and Brady I think have much less risk than the others), but I agree with your general point.
This_Is_Not_VRR
Footballguy
I don't think he's underrated. The Panthers are first and foremost a run-oriented offense. And even if Delhomme does air it out this year, you can pencil him down for 16+ INT's. He really only becomes underrated if you think that he'll dramatically cut down on his INT's. I don't see that happening. He's still very much a gun slinger.
I'm adding my voice to the crowd. I think Delhomme is mildly overrated, and am pretty sure that he won't see a single one of my rosters this season.
First off, throwing to great WRs doesn't necessarily make you a great fantasy QB, or we'd all be taking Kurt Warner as the first QB off the board (and handcuffing him with Leinart much like Holmes/LJ last year).
Second off, look at the 6 QBs going immediately after Delhomme:
Bledsoe- finished 6th last year (to Delhomme's 12th), and added Owens (who is a little bit better than Johnson- just ask McNabb).
Kurt Warner- better WRs, worse defense. An injury risk, but when healthy, should easily outperform Delhomme
Trent Green- 8th, 4th, 3rd, 8th. Those are his finishes over the last 4 years. 12. That's his ADP this year.
Michael Vick- Never finished worse than 12th, and has more upside than anyone else at this point in the draft (just see his 2002 season for details).
Aaron Brooks- Outside of last year (injuries + hurricane), he's never finished worse than 8th. Bad Defense + Randy Moss = Good Numbers.
Jake Plummer- Probably my favorite of the 6. Finished 5th and 11th last two years (ahead of Delhomme both times), and from what I hear, Walker's been looking like an S-T-U-D in camps.
Now, I think each of those QBs could make a case for being drafted than Delhomme. I know I'd rather have any of those 6 than Delhomme, straight up. The fact that they're being drafted LATER only adds to the value. No way Delhomme sees my rosters when I could have Plummer 2 rounds later.
First off, throwing to great WRs doesn't necessarily make you a great fantasy QB, or we'd all be taking Kurt Warner as the first QB off the board (and handcuffing him with Leinart much like Holmes/LJ last year).
Second off, look at the 6 QBs going immediately after Delhomme:
Bledsoe- finished 6th last year (to Delhomme's 12th), and added Owens (who is a little bit better than Johnson- just ask McNabb).
Kurt Warner- better WRs, worse defense. An injury risk, but when healthy, should easily outperform Delhomme
Trent Green- 8th, 4th, 3rd, 8th. Those are his finishes over the last 4 years. 12. That's his ADP this year.
Michael Vick- Never finished worse than 12th, and has more upside than anyone else at this point in the draft (just see his 2002 season for details).
Aaron Brooks- Outside of last year (injuries + hurricane), he's never finished worse than 8th. Bad Defense + Randy Moss = Good Numbers.
Jake Plummer- Probably my favorite of the 6. Finished 5th and 11th last two years (ahead of Delhomme both times), and from what I hear, Walker's been looking like an S-T-U-D in camps.
Now, I think each of those QBs could make a case for being drafted than Delhomme. I know I'd rather have any of those 6 than Delhomme, straight up. The fact that they're being drafted LATER only adds to the value. No way Delhomme sees my rosters when I could have Plummer 2 rounds later.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
I had him last year and even with Smith having a career year I thought he was nothing more than a serviceable fantasy QB in my fantasy points system. He never seemed to win the week for me unlike a Brady, Manning, Palmer might. I like Jake, but think there are 8-10 QBs in the 2nd tier with Jake who will get similar TD totals. It really seemed like if the he wasn't throwing it to Smith, the Panthers were content to run. If there are any underrated QBs, they will come out of the 17-32 range, and Jake isn't one of those guys.
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Does anyone else consider the other side of the ball when talking about FFL??????
By anyone's account, Carolina had terrible DEF injury problems, and RB injuries which forced a heavy dose of the passing game. This season, the DEF is shaping up to be #1 or #2 in the league (especially from a talent perspective). If the DEF is taking control of the game, which I suspect it will, the running game is going to be a much bigger focus than the passing game.
Mark it down..........................Delhomme is overated right now but not because he isn't a good talent. It has less to do with the Offensive changes than it does a much improved DEF.
Any doubters, check Peyton Mannings numbers early last year when the DEF was #1 in the league.
BigRed
Footballguy
So guys like Vick or Favre are interechangeable with Brady or Bulger? err not quite buying that. They are all relatively or potentially comparable, but their floors and ceilings vary, as well as their various pros and cons.Delhomme most reminds me of Hass FF-wise, ie a safe, unflashy pick with limited upside, but probably limited downside too.
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