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Is Michael Floyd underrated? (1 Viewer)

Hawkeye21 said:
So he's just going to get thrown in as a stater right away and know their offense?
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Nope. I mean whenever he does get the playbook down and they insert him.  Whether that's this year or next.  He's in a good spot. Probably a better NFL spot than fantasy spot BC Brady spreads thrall around. But a great spot for his career trajectory to be a part of a winning organization like that.  He'll get on track with the pats. I'm sure he is in heaven with where he landed.  Who wouldn't want to play for that team?  They are the shining example of quality and winning in the NFL.  

 
Hawkeye21 said:
So he's just going to get thrown in as a stater right away and know their offense?
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That is a real big hurdle...history says you never know how a vet will perform with the Pats until they get on the field with Brady...plenty of examples of veterans who have been completely clueless with them...that being said if his head is on straight this is a good pick-up for them...Amendola could be done for the year and they needed to add depth...you usually don't have talent like this looking for a job this time of the year...best-case scenario is he helps them out this year, enjoys his time in Foxboro and hangs around for another prove-it year to get his act back together... 

 
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Anyone really optimistic he can pick up the Pats offense and get on the same page as Brady? Most WR's they bring in can't do it, period.

He's a total flier, there's a reason he made it all the way down to the Pats in the waiver order. The odds that he's a street FA in three weeks are higher than the odds he sticks and becomes a factor in NE.

 
This gentleman was slumped over a steering wheel and dead asleep when officers found him according to what I read and saw. I sure hope he seeks and gets help or treatment before he is thrust onto the field.

As far as 2016 is concerned I expect nothing from Floyd and neither should you. Palmer to Brady is a little night and day but he is going to be lost with 3 weeks left.

Is he not facing a suspension by the NFL? He was operating a motor vehicle, he could have killed someone like the guy driving in Miami a couple years back...Pats had him too for a while...what was that WRs name? 

 
Ministry of Pain said:
This gentleman was slumped over a steering wheel and dead asleep when officers found him according to what I read and saw. I sure hope he seeks and gets help or treatment before he is thrust onto the field.

As far as 2016 is concerned I expect nothing from Floyd and neither should you. Palmer to Brady is a little night and day but he is going to be lost with 3 weeks left.

Is he not facing a suspension by the NFL? He was operating a motor vehicle, he could have killed someone like the guy driving in Miami a couple years back...Pats had him too for a while...what was that WRs name? 
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Donte Stallworth

 
He has 5 weeks to get up to speed for the Pats playoff run. He brings a dynamic to this offseason that could pay some nice dividends in January.  Reward outweighs the risk and his upside is huge if he can pick up the offense and gets on the same page as Brady.  

 
This is his first DUI in the NFL I believe. Don't think a suspension for first time DUI (under NFL) is customary, unless it comes down from the team.

 
Brady will bring out the best in Floyd. A change in scenery can do wonders sometimes! Plus playing on the GREATEST Team EVER can make a guy wake up a bit.. As a Pats fan,I'm excited to see what he can contribute during the play-offs,and the last few game of the regular season.He obviously won't do much in his first game or 2 until he learns the offense a little.But it should be interesting.

 
Crystalsteam99 said:
Brady will bring out the best in Floyd. A change in scenery can do wonders sometimes! Plus playing on the GREATEST Team EVER can make a guy wake up a bit.. As a Pats fan,I'm excited to see what he can contribute during the play-offs,and the last few game of the regular season.He obviously won't do much in his first game or 2 until he learns the offense a little.But it should be interesting.
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Holy crap!  You sound like a Stl Cardinals homer.  "Greatest team ever"  "Best fans in baseball"

 
squistion said:
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Claiming WR Michael Floyd is the most #Patriotist thing ever. Best-case for him.

For #Pats, they get negotiating rights for him until March
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They have 3 months to make an impression on him, they get first crack at signing him to a new deal, and they get any compensatory pick he might be worth after potentially pumping up his value if he puts any decent film up on a playoff run. 

 
I wish him the best and hope he succeeds but I am still disturbed that the Cards washed their hands of him, a decision that the owner, GM and coaches were all on board with. That still seems an overreaction to me for a DUI that did not involve an accident or injury. I keep thinking there is lot more involved regarding his release that has not been disclosed yet, but nothing seems to have surfaced from even anonymous sources, so I could be wrong.

It also remains to be seen how good a fit he is with the NE system, which some personalities just never mesh with. I haven't seen any reports that he didn't get along with his teammates or had any kind of diva attitude, so that shouldn't be issue, but we got to see how this plays out.

Too bad trading is closed in my Dynasty leagues as I would love see his going price at the moment.

 
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One idea I think NE could employ with him...don't know if I'm off my rocker, but I could see them maybe using him occasionally inside as a dual TE with Bennett. Not sure of his blocking prowess but he certainly has the size to do it. That could create some really bad mismatches.

 
I think he has a LOT of personal problems ... can Patriots change that? Sure ... and then he still has to compete with Edelman, Mitchell, pass catching RB's, TE's .... 

best place for him to land though no doubt

 
I bet Belichek told Floyd if he could get released the Pats would claim him. So Floyd went out and got a DUI which led to his release.  Same thing happened two years ago with Blount.

 
IF Floyd can get on the field I could see that potentially affecting Mitchel the most if they use Floyd as an X WR, which seems more likely than him taking snaps from Edelman or Hogan.

Good move for the Pats as nothing to lose here.

Kind of sucks as a Mitchel owner if he does end up playing and that does mean fewer snaps and opportunities for Mitchel. So it goes.

 
Hogan has played decently when healthy, but he missed a game and quite a few practices with back problems. Gronk is out and Amendola is out until the playoffs. Floyd is a low cost insurance move, with some upside.

 
Chicago Hooligan said:
Or maybe preventable acts that can kill random people are actually serious.
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Didn't say that they weren't. But a lot of players have had DUIs in the last year and it is unusual for a first round pick to be immediately cut after having one, made even more head scratching with three weeks to go in the season and some potential trade value left.

 
squistion said:
Didn't say that they weren't. But a lot of players have had DUIs in the last year and it is unusual for a first round pick to be immediately cut after having one, made even more head scratching with three weeks to go in the season and some potential trade value left.
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NFL trade deadline passed a while ago and he's a FA next year.

 
squistion said:
Can't NE trade him before he becomes a free agent next year? I have been seeing that Twitter but I haven't verified myself.
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This makes no sense. NOBODY owns a FA. I'm pretty sure the only advantage for the last club owning them is that they can get a little bit of a head start on negotiating a new deal. Why on Earth would ANY team "trade" for that right when it's a barely kept secret that they all get a small jump negotiating deals?

Arizona released him because it meant little for them to do so...they weren't re-signing him anyway and he's been a major disappointment this year...they don't need him.

Seems like exactly the type of player Belichek could turn into a star though, and I'd be shocked if they aren't strongly inclined to sign him before anyone else even gets a crack

 
Tool said:
I bet Belichek told Floyd if he could get released the Pats would claim him. So Floyd went out and got a DUI which led to his release.  Same thing happened two years ago with Blount.
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What?

 
Hawkeye21 said:
Holy crap!  You sound like a Stl Cardinals homer.  "Greatest team ever"  "Best fans in baseball"
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The Pats are the GREATEST TEAM EVER in the history of Football...Sometimes it does influence a guy a bit to pick up his game.not to mention playing with the GREATEST QB of All=Time!!!! Floyd couldn't have landed in a better spot to turn his career around. It has nothing to do with being a homer you moron! LOL

 
Interesting little transaction...Pats release Grif Whalen...they are pretty thin at WR so reading into it could mean that Floyd will have some type of role the rest of the way...that being said BB will release him tomorrow and sign a TE from Rutgers that no one has ever heard of...

 
Tool said:
Crabtree's qb situation was worse. 

Plus it sounds like Floyd has an alcohol problem and is not in great shape.
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Not worse than Floyd's 3rd year. Plus, it would make sense that Floyd's 5 years were a little better if is QB situation was better.

Maybe I read it wrong, but I think this is Floyd's first DUI since being drafted. He's been in the league 5 years. That's an alcohol problem?

 
squistion said:
Being the best indicator doesn't mean it is still not a dicey indicator. The stats confirm it in my mind. But I have had this argument numerous times in this forum over the years with people who swear by the draft pedigree/combine numbers model, which I consider junk science. But that is just my opinion and we will have to agree to disagree on this.

Anyway, check out the actual numbers and look at drafts after 5 years. About 50% of first rounder pick succeed, at best, and there is a significant drop off percentage wise in each round after that. So, for the first round that is a coin flip. And Bloom had a posting in a thread some years back (which I can't find) pointing out that the professionals whose only job it its to scout the best players have a terrible batting average.

From an April PFT piece by Mike Florio:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/04/22/the-first-round-of-the-draft-remains-a-total-crapshoot/




The First Round of the draft remains a total crapshoot


During Friday’s PFT Live on NBC Sports Radio, I asked Falcons G.M. Thomas Dimitroff whether the success rate at picking quarterbacks at the top of the draft. Dimitroff offered a more general observation that underscores the uncertainty of the first round, at any position.

“That’s always an interesting discussion and we talk about it all the time,” Dimitroff said. “What’s funny is we talk about that with quarterbacks but then when we start looking at positions that we’re interested in. We can look at interior D-lineman over the years or [pass] rushers or whoever they may be, and we all want to come up with this stat that says, ‘Wow, this is an easy pick.’ It’s not an easy pick in the first round.”

It’s not easy because it remains, at best, a flip-of-the-coin proposition.

“According to our most recent statistics that we drew on the first round, it’s less than 60 percent of those players that are starting,” Dimitroff said. “I think it may have come in at 56 percent. So point being it’s not an exact science, we know that. There are so many other things that are involved in it. The first step is finding out whether that player has the adept skills on the field, of course. Many other areas that we’re looking into to make sure they’re fits in the organization. [Do] they have the mental capacity, they have the character capacity, and the team element that a team is looking for? Again, you’d better have a plan for the guys who are a little bit wayward in their approach. That’s alway been a big discussion point as well.”
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I'm glad you bring up batting average. To someone who has watched basketball but never heard of baseball, getting a hit 30% of the time probably doesn't sound great compared to players who shoot 50% from the field, but you gotta play the odds and getting a hit 30% of the time is immensely better than getting a hit 25% of the time. So yeah, scouts are not batting .800 but they're above the curve. Just like 56% doesn't sound great with first round picks, but compare it to a 5th round pick and suddenly you'll start to take draft pedigree seriously. Again, I'm not big on one side or the other, but your disdain for draft pedigree is probably holding you back. It should be something you factor in with a fair amount of weight when evaluating players.

Also, that article does nothing to help your position that draft pedigree is overstated. FYI, less than 60% =/= coin flip. 50% = coin flip. But even 50% >>> 12%. (12% is a made up number for a lower round)

squistion said:
I wish him the best and hope he succeeds but I am still disturbed that the Cards washed their hands of him, a decision that the owner, GM and coaches were all on board with. That still seems an overreaction to me for a DUI that did not involve an accident or injury. I keep thinking there is lot more involved regarding his release that has not been disclosed yet, but nothing seems to have surfaced from even anonymous sources, so I could be wrong.

It also remains to be seen how good a fit he is with the NE system, which some personalities just never mesh with. I haven't seen any reports that he didn't get along with his teammates or had any kind of diva attitude, so that shouldn't be issue, but we got to see how this plays out.

Too bad trading is closed in my Dynasty leagues as I would love see his going price at the moment.
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Why are you disturbed? This is so typical. They had a chance to save $1.2M and look like they are taking a hard stance against bad behavior. Win-win. This should surprise and disturb no one. This is PR101. If they were still in the playoff hunt and Floyd was playing well, there's no way they'd do it. Or if it was DJ or Fitz they'd just say "we're conducting an internal investigation and waiting for the league's response." Acting like there's some sort of bigger story behind this release is just being dramatic. This is practically standard protocol in the NFL.

 
Boston said:
Interesting little transaction...Pats release Grif Whalen...they are pretty thin at WR so reading into it could mean that Floyd will have some type of role the rest of the way...that being said BB will release him tomorrow and sign a TE from Rutgers that no one has ever heard of...
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A white TE at that

 
Crystalsteam99 said:
The Pats are the GREATEST TEAM EVER in the history of Football...Sometimes it does influence a guy a bit to pick up his game.not to mention playing with the GREATEST QB of All=Time!!!! Floyd couldn't have landed in a better spot to turn his career around. It has nothing to do with being a homer you moron! LOL
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And that's why non Pat's fans hate the Patriots and Brady.  Just like how the Cardinal's have the most obnoxious fans in baseball.

 
Nigel said:
Odd that obnoxious fans would be the reason you hate an individual player on a team. 
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Is it?  Obnoxious fans is usually one of the biggest reasons people dislike another team.  I dislike players themselves for other reasons.  I shouldn't use the word "hate" because that's pretty strong.  I don't really hate any team or player but there are a handful that I dislike.

Now, just because I dislike a team or player doesn't mean I don't respect them.  I have a ton of respect for the Patriots franchise.

 
Yeah, I think it's weird not to be able to separate disliking a fan base or team management from disliking individual people who happen wear the laundry. It's common though, so you're not alone.   :shrug:

 
I doubt he sees the field.  

This was a compensatory pick move, nothing more.  Pats will pray he gets a big deal, and maybe they get a free 4th or 5th rounder.  

 
massraider said:
I doubt he sees the field.  

This was a compensatory pick move, nothing more.  Pats will pray he gets a big deal, and maybe they get a free 4th or 5th rounder.  
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I disagree...it's pretty simple, the Pats are in need of WR depth and a talented WR (with some baggage) became available...they may need him (and if not him it will be another WR) just like they needed SJax last year at RB after they got nailed with injuries...I also think this situation allows them to bring him in for a test drive and if they like him they can potentially keep him at a team-friendly contract...as for the comp idea if the Pats do in-fact activate him I think that throws that out the window...BB is not using roster space this time of the year to get a comp pick...

 
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Boston said:
I also think this situation allows them to bring him in for a test drive and if they like him they can potentially keep him at a team-friendly contract..
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Why would them bringing him in make it any more likely he signs a team friendly contract?

They need depth?  Fair enough.

Are Hogan, Mitchell, or Edelman injured?  Who is he taking snaps from?  How much can they really find out before the playoffs?

 
massraider said:
Why would them bringing him in make it any more likely he signs a team friendly contract?

They need depth?  Fair enough.

Are Hogan, Mitchell, or Edelman injured?  Who is he taking snaps from?  How much can they really find out before the playoffs?
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*Are you serious about the first one?  First of all they get to see if they like him...secondly, he's a guy having issues with his career...he may see an organization like the Pats as a way to get his career back on track...right now I don't see many teams looking to spend big money on a guy in his situation...he's still young and he may need a prove-it year to get his value back...playing with Tom Brady and BB could be just what the Doctor ordered... 

*They only have three WRs right now (I do not count Slater...he is a detriment at WR) and Hogan has been dinged-up for a little while and there are rumors Amendola could be done for the year...they also lost Gronk and only have one viable pass-catching TE on their roster...they are one WR/Bennett injury from being in big trouble as far as weapons are concerned...they absolutely/100% need another WR and the fact that Floyd has some size and legit talent is plus...

I am not saying this kid is or isn't going to work-out for them but I am saying they need another WR on this roster and regardless of who it is they may have to play...it is no different than SJax at RB last year who they had to play because they had no other options (and he sucked)...what makes this situation intriguing is talented guys like Floyd are not usually available this time of year... 

 
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The Pats will work on getting Floyd up to speed on a package of 10-15 plays. At some point they will use him to give the other WR a blow. Might try to sign him for low dollars next year. 

 
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