Is Owens Daniels (7.03) the best TE value of the entire draft? (1 Viewer)

[whodeywhodey]

Coach Gary Kubiak indicated that Owen Daniels (knee) is "right on schedule" to be ready for the first regular season game."Do I expect to see him (Daniels) in the preseason? It would be the last game if we’re going to see him," said Kubiak. The head coach added that Daniels is "progressing very well" in his rehab. We don't expect to see Daniels at all in exhibition action, but it sounds like Kubiak is counting on him against the Colts on September 12. He's safe to draft as a top-10 tight end, though we'd prefer to let someone else pick Daniels at his current seventh-round ADP. Aug. 17 - 11:36 am et

Playing in perhaps the best passing offense in the league I think he is an absolute steal where his ADP currently is (7.03). He is currently going a full round after Celek and Gonzalez. I was able to snag him in the 9th round in a recent draft.As a reminder these were his impressive numbers before going down with an injury...

1	Sep 13	NYJ			4 catches,	44 yds 	2	Sep 20	@TEN	6 catches,	72 yds, 1 TD3	Sep 27	JAC		5 catches, 38 yds, 1 TD	4	Oct 4			OAK		2 catches,	48 yds 	5	Oct 11	@ARZ	8 catches,	94 yds 	6	Oct 18	@CIN	7 catches,	78 yds, 2 TDs 	7	Oct 25	SF		7 catches, 123 yds, 1 TD 	TOTAL 8 games,	40 receptions,	519 yards,	5 TDs

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

He could be if he stays healthy all season, no doubt.

Other Te's with good value are: Zach Miller at 9.10 and Heath Miller at 12.02

I even like Dustin Keller at 12.11 and Greg Olsen at 13.03

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

I love OD and he was a monster for me before he went down last year (my only good pick between rounds 2 and 10 as I recall - oof).

But coming back from a major injury I am leery. There are so many TEs to choose from and I can't see him performing much better (if any) than, say, Winslow, who is probably available even later.

 

[Nate]

I can't see him performing much better (if any) than, say, Winslow

 

[Fullback Fro]

The knee is a tricky joint. He has already had a few setbacks. He could easily have one/many throughout the season. I just assume let someone else take the risk.

 

[Go Blue]

A healthy Daniels is indeed a steal where he is going. Just don't forget, this is not Daniels first major knee injury. Actually, it isn't even his second. It's his 3rd major knee injury since high school. He has now tore the ACL in both knees. I'm not touching him in redrafts or dynasty, until I see him back to his old self. The guy I love at his ADP this year is Zach Miller.

 

[whodeywhodey]

The knee is a tricky joint. He has already had a few setbacks. He could easily have one/many throughout the season. I just assume let someone else take the risk.

Here is the thing --- what was the setback? I have searched trying to find what this "setback" was and have come up empty.And now this comment by Kubiak 2 weeks later (original post). It just doesn't make sense.Is there any way that this was coach speak to get him some time off to make sure that he is completely rested, healed and ready to go week 1?

 

[whodeywhodey]

The guy I love at his ADP this year is Zach Miller.

I like Miller as well. However where Owens' knee scares you the Raiders offense scares me.They both have questions. At least Owens has been a bonafide stud and is in a top rated offense.

 

[NorrisB]

He's damaged goods, with a young stud breathing down his neck. No value here.

 

[bulger2holt]

Give me Cooley in rd 7 with McNabb throwing to him over Daniels. I am not touching Daniels after his surgery. Let somebody take the risk. I will also be taking Zach Miller ahead of his ADP to use as a flex. Campbell loves TE's. I am drafting 12, so I am taking Cooley at 7-12 and Miller at 8-1 unless somebody really falls. I like these TE's over any WR3 type.

 

[bonesman]

The knee is a tricky joint. He has already had a few setbacks. He could easily have one/many throughout the season. I just assume let someone else take the risk.

Here is the thing --- what was the setback? I have searched trying to find what this "setback" was and have come up empty.

huh?http://www.fftoolbox.com/football/nfl_news.cfm?news_id=1785

Houston Texans tight end Owen Daniels is still out of practice despite tearing his ACL last Novemeber. "Still" makes it sound like he's lagging, which is not the normal case for a blown-out knee. But players who tore the ligament later on in the 2009 season -- Kevin Smith and Wes Welker -- are already practicing with their teams. Daniels is still on the sidelines doing personal work, and his road to recovery was extended recently. Head coach Gary Kubiak said Sunday that Daniels had suffered a recent setback. Unfortunately, that's all he said. He didn't reveal when it happened or how serious it was. But Daniels still believes he'll be ready for week one. "(Opening day) is still six weeks from today officially, so I have confidence I can get myself ready," he said. "I'd like to get out there and practice as much as I can. But if it comes down to me practicing just for a couple of weeks, I've been doing this long enough I think I can get prepared and be ready."

Fantasy Analysis:

The tight end position is relatively deep this year. There are at least seven tight ends who should be drafted before Daniels. Then, you've got some pretty solid players, such as Zach Miller, Greg Olsen, Dustin Keller. The point is there are plenty of quality tight ends available who carry much less risk than Daniels. I think he'll have a decent season, but I don't think he'll be ready for week one and I feel much more comfortable drafting a tight end who didn't have major knee surgery during the offseason.

Source:

houstontexans.com

Obviously that's pretty vague if you're looking on a specific note on the "setback"... but obviously they thought he'd be at 100% sooner than he now expects to be (definition of setback).

So far in all my drafts someone's been willing to gamble on him before I am. I can see him being a huge steal though.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

I can't see him performing much better (if any) than, say, Winslow

That's one name, don't get too hung up on it. Basically there are other guys I feel are good bets for 80 catches, which OD is not until he's healthy.If he can come back during the preseason I may change my mind. I do always like having him on my teams.

 

[whodeywhodey]

Where you see risk I see value, I guess.

To each his own.

 

[Jman]

If I draft a Houston TE it'll be James Casey in one of the last rounds.

Just a gut feeling that Owen is DONE.

 

[HellToupee]

very high risk , high reward but with 3 ACL injuries I'll pass

 

[benbadman]

How is Owen Daniels more of a value in 2010, when in 2009 he was a 9-11th rounder and was the #1 fantasy TE for the first half of the season? Now you have to pay a 7th round pick (early for a non-stud TE) and he's coming off a season-ending injury? That sounds alot like overpaying for last year's production and hoping he comes back strong.

 

[cr8f]

He could be if he stays healthy all season, no doubt.Other Te's with good value are: Zach Miller at 9.10 and Heath Miller at 12.02I even like Dustin Keller at 12.11 and Greg Olsen at 13.03

That is a big if. I like Zach Miller at 9.10 for value but Finley overall.

 

[Sopranos25]

He is a risk. You dont win it all without a risk or the WW. I was in 6 leagues last season. Five of them that won had 2 Yes 2 of these players. Austin,Charles or Harrison. Not Portis not LT2 etc. And the 6th had harrison. Did you know all 3 where WW pick ups?? 2 where in dynasty leagues. The NFL is a crap shoot. There is solid picks but some guys like harrison can carry you at the right time. Harrison charles would outscore the top 3 rbs picked in 09 the last three weeks. Did anyone know? Nope. and we wont know this year. If you have CJ ADP and MJD will you will week 14-16, i would hope you feel good but Foster Adaii and Benson my bury you..

I will never forget i was at Applebees watching tv just having lost the fantasy SB when a guy i got for nothing ,Ryan Grant, broke an 80 yard td i think vs Minn with like 2 min to go in week 16. I jumped up and yelled. I won that game by 1 pt and walked away with 5k....

My point is your top 5 picks dont win it all. your entire team and the time spent.. ww trade etc do..The draft is over rated way over rated

 

[NorrisB]

very high risk , high reward but with 3 ACL injuries I'll pass

 

[the spanker]

very high risk , high reward but with 3 ACL injuries I'll pass

I concur

 

[Crippler]

If I draft a Houston TE it'll be James Casey in one of the last rounds.Just a gut feeling that Owen is DONE.

I grabbed Casey in last round of both survivor drafts I have now done. So I agree here. Something is not right

 

[sgtrobo]

Heath Miller, and it isn't even close

76/789/6 last season, and now Santonio isn't around. Heath is the 2nd dude in that offense. He's also the only one that is over 6' and the Steelers aren't exactly a solid red zone rushing threat. Coincidentally, it was Dallas Clark's 5th NFL when he exploded. Coincidentally, that was also the season that the Colts lost their "best" WR (Marvin Harrison)

If you get a stat line listed above in the 12th round, I'd say you're doing ok for yourself

 

[The Jerk]

Heath Miller, and it isn't even close76/789/6 last season, and now Santonio isn't around. Heath is the 2nd dude in that offense. He's also the only one that is over 6' and the Steelers aren't exactly a solid red zone rushing threat. Coincidentally, it was Dallas Clark's 5th NFL when he exploded. Coincidentally, that was also the season that the Colts lost their "best" WR (Marvin Harrison)If you get a stat line listed above in the 12th round, I'd say you're doing ok for yourself

I agree that Heath Miller is a great alternative to investing an earlier round pick at TE. However, I don't think it's realistic to expect Heath to have the same yardage totals he reached last season. TDs absolutely. He's got 18 TDs in the past three seasons. While it sounds good to suggest a tight end's numbers might rise with the loss of a #1 or #2 receiver in Holmes, the opponent knows how the roster has changed as well. More importantly, the Steelers supposedly wish to recommit to at least some extent to the running game. I would suspect that Miller totals at least 100 yards less than last year. Still a good value, in my opinion, just don't expect the same as last year and definitely not an improvement on last year. And of course the Steelers offense figures to be in a lower gear for 4-6 games for well known reasons.On the topic of Daniels...I would love to acquire him as a second tight end in leagues where it is required or rosters are larger, but I am concerned about injury recovery, the presence of talented rookie TEs and also the rumored emergence of Jacoby Jones. Way too risky for me to take him as a lone rostered TE.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

I think Carlson might actually be the best value, just not a top 8 guy.

 

[Hoot&HoLLer]

Heath Miller, and it isn't even close76/789/6 last season, and now Santonio isn't around. Heath is the 2nd dude in that offense. He's also the only one that is over 6' and the Steelers aren't exactly a solid red zone rushing threat. Coincidentally, it was Dallas Clark's 5th NFL when he exploded. Coincidentally, that was also the season that the Colts lost their "best" WR (Marvin Harrison)If you get a stat line listed above in the 12th round, I'd say you're doing ok for yourself

I agree that Heath Miller is a great alternative to investing an earlier round pick at TE. However, I don't think it's realistic to expect Heath to have the same yardage totals he reached last season. TDs absolutely. He's got 18 TDs in the past three seasons. While it sounds good to suggest a tight end's numbers might rise with the loss of a #1 or #2 receiver in Holmes, the opponent knows how the roster has changed as well. More importantly, the Steelers supposedly wish to recommit to at least some extent to the running game. I would suspect that Miller totals at least 100 yards less than last year. Still a good value, in my opinion, just don't expect the same as last year and definitely not an improvement on last year. And of course the Steelers offense figures to be in a lower gear for 4-6 games for well known reasons.On the topic of Daniels...I would love to acquire him as a second tight end in leagues where it is required or rosters are larger, but I am concerned about injury recovery, the presence of talented rookie TEs and also the rumored emergence of Jacoby Jones. Way too risky for me to take him as a lone rostered TE.

Not to hijack...but when it comes to Heath Miller this year , a lot of people will be surprised that his stat line won't trend up. Emmanuel Sanders is going to be a very good rookie WR for the Steelers. OK back to your regularly scheduled program of "as Owen Daniels' Knee Turns."

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Daniels will only be 10 months removed from a torn ACL when week 1 gets here. Most players who have surgery for a torn ACL do not get their speed or explosiveness back for well over a year, sometimes longer. While speed and explosiveness aren't as important for a TE compared to a RB or WR, he still has to be able to separate and I question whether he will be recovered enough to do that early in the season. I'll let someone else take the chance because there is a pretty deep group of TEs in this same relative tier (Zach Miller, Heath Miller, Winslow, Cooley, Carlson, etc...) and there are far more questions than answers about the health of Daniels right now. If he doesn't play in the preseason, it becomes even more of a gamble. I simply question whether he will be healthy enough to be effective.

 

[Keepers]

Winslow and Zach Miller for me as best value at the TE position. Like others in this thread, I generally try to avoid guys coming off a major injury.

 

[Tau837]

He's damaged goods, with a young stud breathing down his neck. No value here.

 

[Clifford]

The knee is a tricky joint. He has already had a few setbacks. He could easily have one/many throughout the season. I just assume let someone else take the risk.

Here is the thing --- what was the setback? I have searched trying to find what this "setback" was and have come up empty.And now this comment by Kubiak 2 weeks later (original post). It just doesn't make sense.Is there any way that this was coach speak to get him some time off to make sure that he is completely rested, healed and ready to go week 1?

There was no major setback, just that his rehab progressed a little slower than they expected.If you can afford to handcuff your TE, then it's worth is since Casey could probably fill his shoes fairly well from what I have read about him. That being said I think Daniels will play week 1 and back to his regular self by week 4. First few weeks could be rough.

 

[zilladog]

He is a risk. You dont win it all without a risk or the WW. I was in 6 leagues last season. Five of them that won had 2 Yes 2 of these players. Austin,Charles or Harrison. Not Portis not LT2 etc. And the 6th had harrison. Did you know all 3 where WW pick ups?? 2 where in dynasty leagues. The NFL is a crap shoot. There is solid picks but some guys like harrison can carry you at the right time. Harrison charles would outscore the top 3 rbs picked in 09 the last three weeks. Did anyone know? Nope. and we wont know this year. If you have CJ ADP and MJD will you will week 14-16, i would hope you feel good but Foster Adaii and Benson my bury you..I will never forget i was at Applebees watching tv just having lost the fantasy SB when a guy i got for nothing ,Ryan Grant, broke an 80 yard td i think vs Minn with like 2 min to go in week 16. I jumped up and yelled. I won that game by 1 pt and walked away with 5k....My point is your top 5 picks dont win it all. your entire team and the time spent.. ww trade etc do..The draft is over rated way over rated

 

[sgtrobo]

I agree that Heath Miller is a great alternative to investing an earlier round pick at TE. However, I don't think it's realistic to expect Heath to have the same yardage totals he reached last season. TDs absolutely. He's got 18 TDs in the past three seasons. While it sounds good to suggest a tight end's numbers might rise with the loss of a #1 or #2 receiver in Holmes, the opponent knows how the roster has changed as well. More importantly, the Steelers supposedly wish to recommit to at least some extent to the running game. I would suspect that Miller totals at least 100 yards less than last year. Still a good value, in my opinion, just don't expect the same as last year and definitely not an improvement on last year. And of course the Steelers offense figures to be in a lower gear for 4-6 games for well known reasons.

I hear ya and it makes some sense, but a few points1) don't believe the hype with the recommittal to the run. Arians has stated over and over again to anyone who will listen that "we need to run BETTER, not MORE"

2) A good pass catching TE is a boon to less talented/experienced QBs. Especially ones who are 6'5 and sweat stickum from their pores like Miller

3) He's the standard "tough matchup" - too quick for LBs, too strong and tall for safeties

Not to hijack...but when it comes to Heath Miller this year , a lot of people will be surprised that his stat line won't trend up. Emmanuel Sanders is going to be a very good rookie WR for the Steelers. OK back to your regularly scheduled program of "as Owen Daniels' Knee Turns."

I agree that Sanders and Antonio Brown both will be surprisingly good. I don't think they'll make up for Santonio's 1250ish yards though. regardless, as late as you can get Heath, it's tough to deny his value.

Winslow and Zach Miller for me as best value at the TE position. Like others in this thread, I generally try to avoid guys coming off a major injury.

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