Is Randy Moss Back? (1 Viewer)

[Gr00vus]

Simple question. Even though he hasn't played against top DBs yet, Moss looks like he's the real deal again. Injuries are always a possibility, but you have to like Randy's prospects going forward now that we've seen he can still get the job done.

Given that, how Does Al Davis feel now that he's gone a long way towards helping create the monster that is the Pats this season? Granted they would be darn good without Moss, but with him it's ridiculous.

Can the rest of the NFL wish bad things for Al (like they weren't already) for giving Moss away for a 4th round pick?

And yes, hindsight is 20/20.

 

[War Eagle]

Of course he's back....he was never gone...he was IN OAKLAND!

 

[Chase Stuart]

I don't think Davis got taken. Moss wasn't useful in Oakland; it's not as if Oakland is doing worse this year than last year without Moss.

It was a win-win trade, although certainly more of a win for the Patriots. But I don't think Moss would be doing anything more than he did the past couple of seasons if he was still in Oakland. And a 4th round pick might be worth more than that, especially if Moss was causing problems in the locker room.

 

[Jason Wood]

Although I think Al Davis has the right to look at Moss now and feel cheated somewhat, I also think he brought some of it on himself by making a bad situation untenable with the misbegotten hiring of Art Shell and Tom Walsh last season.

 

[Gr00vus]

I don't think Davis got taken. Moss wasn't useful in Oakland; it's not as if Oakland is doing worse this year than last year without Moss.It was a win-win trade, although certainly more of a win for the Patriots. But I don't think Moss would be doing anything more than he did the past couple of seasons if he was still in Oakland. And a 4th round pick might be worth more than that, especially if Moss was causing problems in the locker room.

Have you voted yet? I don't see anyone taking the "it'll work out for both" option as of now.Also, don't you think Al is gnashing his teeth in private at least right now? Or was it actually a very subtle way for him to antagonize his non-Patriot buddies in the AFC by helping to create a super team that will keep the rest of them from winning it all?

 

[Swampy]

He got a 4th rounder out of someone who would never produce, and someone who was taking a bucket load of salary. So if anything the salary is gone if the 4th rounder turns out to be MIA for his career.

 

[Brutis]

Oakland got a 4th round pick and I got Randy in the 5th round. Win-Win I would think

 

[PantherPower]

Raiders got what they deserved. I'm actually happy for Randy. And i'm NOT a Patriots fan.

 

[Winston Wolfe]

The only person who will end up being screwed in this deal is the player that is taken with the 4th round pick by Oakland instead of NE.

 

[PatsFan72]

I don't think Davis got taken...

So, using your 'logic', the Raiders made out simply by getting rid of Randy Moss? You must be a tiger at the negotiating table.The Patriots gave up a 4th rounder for one of the top 5 WRs playing today. Spin it however you want, but the Raiders got screwed. They have themselves to blame though, they made him look bad, which dropped his value. If his stats were up, it would not have mattered how much of a perceived off the field problem he was.In a conservative estimate of his projected 2007 season stats (if healthy)...Let's say for the rest of the year, he averages about half of what he's done so far. That would give him these stats (rounded down)...76rec 1296yards 13TDsFor a 4th rounder?Considering Al Davis' tremendous ego, I wouldn't be surprised if he was OK with Moss going to a good team, just to prove that it wasn't the Raiders that were making him look bad, but that he has lost a step all along.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I don't know why it bothers me to see Moss and Brady hugging like they do after TDs. I admire the Patriots, I like Brady a lot especially since he bleeds Maize and Blue and I never disliked Randy Moss.

I'm sure it's all real but what have they been through together. It's not like there's been these trials and tribulations, these endless struggles and now that they're on top of the world, they're overcome with joy and they can't hide their manlove for each other.

The Patriots have not been far from the top in recent history. I know it feels good to score a TD, but after a TD that's not a game winner or it's not for a division title or a SB win but if it's just for a 38-14 lead, wouldn't a high five work just as well?

 

[Chase Stuart]

I don't think Davis got taken...

So, using your 'logic', the Raiders made out simply by getting rid of Randy Moss? You must be a tiger at the negotiating table.The Patriots gave up a 4th rounder for one of the top 5 WRs playing today. Spin it however you want, but the Raiders got screwed. They have themselves to blame though, they made him look bad, which dropped his value. If his stats were up, it would not have mattered how much of a perceived off the field problem he was.In a conservative estimate of his projected 2007 season stats (if healthy)...Let's say for the rest of the year, he averages about half of what he's done so far. That would give him these stats (rounded down)...76rec 1296yards 13TDsFor a 4th rounder?Considering Al Davis' tremendous ego, I wouldn't be surprised if he was OK with Moss going to a good team, just to prove that it wasn't the Raiders that were making him look bad, but that he has lost a step all along.

Do you think a WR was worth several million dollars a year for 553 yards? The Raiders couldn't trade Moss to any other team in the league. They could have cut him. They could have paid him about 10X what they'll pay Ronald Curry to do the same thing. Or they could trade him and get a 4th rounder back.A million dollars isn't useful on a deserted island, either. You can't look at these things in a vacuum. Moss was worthless to Oakland, and they got a 4th rounder for him.

 

[Chase Stuart]

The only person who will end up being screwed in this deal is the player that is taken with the 4th round pick by Oakland instead of NE.

Agreed, GB.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I don't think Davis got taken. Moss wasn't useful in Oakland; it's not as if Oakland is doing worse this year than last year without Moss.It was a win-win trade, although certainly more of a win for the Patriots. But I don't think Moss would be doing anything more than he did the past couple of seasons if he was still in Oakland. And a 4th round pick might be worth more than that, especially if Moss was causing problems in the locker room.

Have you voted yet? I don't see anyone taking the "it'll work out for both" option as of now.Also, don't you think Al is gnashing his teeth in private at least right now? Or was it actually a very subtle way for him to antagonize his non-Patriot buddies in the AFC by helping to create a super team that will keep the rest of them from winning it all?

Al might be gnashing his teeth in private about a lot of things. But his team does look to be on the rebound, so he's got that going for him. It wouldn't surprise me one bit to see them compete seriously in a couple of years.

 

[Ivanhoe]

Of course he's back....he was never gone...he was IN OAKLAND!

 

[PatsFan72]

Do you think a WR was worth several million dollars a year for 553 yards? The Raiders couldn't trade Moss to any other team in the league. They could have cut him. They could have paid him about 10X what they'll pay Ronald Curry to do the same thing. Or they could trade him and get a 4th rounder back.A million dollars isn't useful on a deserted island, either. You can't look at these things in a vacuum. Moss was worthless to Oakland, and they got a 4th rounder for him.

If he was any good at dealing with his players, he could have shown Moss that the situation was getting better, they just needed him to be on board.If you're selling Randy Moss as 533 receiver, his worst season, then you are not very good at negotiating.There are plenty of good teams that would have wanted Randy, or at least if you got one, you could have made it seem like there was interest, this is Randy Freakin' Moss. A 4th round pick for a freakishly good WR is a steal.You can't just look at what their situation is, you have to look at how much value he has for the other team.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

If you even think for one second Moss would've put up these kind of numbers in Oakland this year, you're ouf your mind (this is meant in general, not to anyone in specific). Moss wasn't going to produce in Oakland and the 4th rounder they got for him was the best they could get at the time.

It was simply a marriage that didn't work for either party. As a Raiders fan I have no ill feelings toward Moss. It really does show he's a poor sportsman and will never come close to the likes of Jerry Rice or Marvin Harrison - class guys who give/gave their best effort regardless of the circumstances. Basically, winners.

 

[Steelnation]

"Is Randy Moss back?"

 

[Chase Stuart]

Do you think a WR was worth several million dollars a year for 553 yards? The Raiders couldn't trade Moss to any other team in the league. They could have cut him. They could have paid him about 10X what they'll pay Ronald Curry to do the same thing. Or they could trade him and get a 4th rounder back.A million dollars isn't useful on a deserted island, either. You can't look at these things in a vacuum. Moss was worthless to Oakland, and they got a 4th rounder for him.

If he was any good at dealing with his players, he could have shown Moss that the situation was getting better, they just needed him to be on board.If you're selling Randy Moss as 533 receiver, his worst season, then you are not very good at negotiating.There are plenty of good teams that would have wanted Randy, or at least if you got one, you could have made it seem like there was interest, this is Randy Freakin' Moss. A 4th round pick for a freakishly good WR is a steal.You can't just look at what their situation is, you have to look at how much value he has for the other team.

Moss said he would only play for a team he approved. The Patriots are one. I'm not sure if there were two.

 

[massraider]

I am bummed that he is doing well for them, I wished him nothing but the illest of wills after he left Oakland for the way he laid down like a dog for most of the last two years.

Yeah, I wish we had gotten more from the Pats. But I am happy he is gone. I would have been happy if they had cut him. Speaking objectively, good for him and the Pats if it works out. The best thing for the Raiders was for him to be gone.

They got taken in the trade? Fine. I don't care if people think the Raiders should have gotten more. The couldn't get more. A bunch of other good teams would have taken him? Really? Link, please. Oh, and provide a link where Moss agreed to a massive pay cut to go there.

Enjoy that you got Moss for nothing. But maybe don't talk about things you obviously don't know about.

Now, if the Moss trade makes things tougher for my AFC West brothers to win the Super Bowl, well that's just a nice little side benifit. BUt if Moss wasn't there, I wonder if Stallworth wouldn't have great numbers instead.

 

[Cookiemonster]

I still think Moss has lost a step, but that only leaves him faster than 95% of the league, not 99%. He never was a great route-runner, and last year's Oakland line didn't give him time to get downfield. He produced well for the 1st several weeks of Oakland's '05 season and the whole team was competing. Then he got hurt and the team went in the tank (all but Jordan that year). Last year, nobody on the roster seemed to give much effort save Brooks who was working his ### off for health's concern. If there is nothing to compete for, Moss won't compete. He needs a good team, and now paired with a good QB, his still-well-above-average speed and height give the Pats another dimention. Brady has never had a reciever better than Branch (who is, IMO slightly better than Welker), and now has a few good weapons. Montana would have been good w/o Rice and Taylor and Jones, but not as good as he was. Brady was good w/o Moss, Welker, Watson and Stallworth and now we get to see how good he can be. These two should compliment each other well for a couple years, but I am seeing Moss' speed decline and he won't be a Rice/Bruce/Harrison type WR who can excel even after their physical talents began to diminish. I give him two great years in N.E., then he begins the downhill run on roller skates.

ETA, I voted good for both sides, and Moss still has "it". He had quit on Oakland, so dumping his salary was worth the pick. A 4th was a very fair deal for the Pats.

 

[Da Guru]

Moss is a front runner..but a great WR. Plain and simple he quit on the Raiders.

 

[Kleck.]

The only person who will end up being screwed in this deal is the player that is taken with the 4th round pick by Oakland instead of NE.

 

[notapplicable]

Simply put Moss is a scum that didn't put forth the effort in Oakland.

 

[Raider Nation]

It really does show he's a poor sportsman and will never come close to the likes of Jerry Rice or Marvin Harrison - class guys who give/gave their best effort regardless of the circumstances. Basically, winners.

Pretty much. As I stated in another thread last night, Moss is the biggest frontrunner in the history of frontrunners. He is not worthy of anyone's respect. A-N-Y-O-N-E can pout and moan and until he gets traded to a team which is already great, and then ride the gravy train. It takes a man of much greater character than Moss to actually stay with a bad team and play a large role in making them better. What a concept, eh?

Good thing Mean Joe Greene didn't sulk and request a trade when the Steelers went 1-13, 5-9 & 6-8 in his first three years.

 

[Da Guru]

It really does show he's a poor sportsman and will never come close to the likes of Jerry Rice or Marvin Harrison - class guys who give/gave their best effort regardless of the circumstances. Basically, winners.

Pretty much. As I stated in another thread last night, Moss is the biggest frontrunner in the history of frontrunners. He is not worthy of anyone's respect. A-N-Y-O-N-E can pout and moan and until he gets traded to a team which is already great, and then ride the gravy train. It takes a man of much greater character than Moss to actually stay with a bad team and play a large role in making them better. What a concept, eh?

Good thing Mean Joe Greene didn't sulk and request a trade when the Steelers went 1-13, 5-9 & 6-8 in his first three years.

 

[Dt's Mules]

does anyone have a link to any other interest by other teams?

didn't the pack express interest?

 

[meanjoegreen]

It really does show he's a poor sportsman and will never come close to the likes of Jerry Rice or Marvin Harrison - class guys who give/gave their best effort regardless of the circumstances. Basically, winners.

Pretty much. As I stated in another thread last night, Moss is the biggest frontrunner in the history of frontrunners. He is not worthy of anyone's respect. A-N-Y-O-N-E can pout and moan and until he gets traded to a team which is already great, and then ride the gravy train. It takes a man of much greater character than Moss to actually stay with a bad team and play a large role in making them better. What a concept, eh?

Good thing Mean Joe Greene didn't sulk and request a trade when the Steelers went 1-13, 5-9 & 6-8 in his first three years.

 

[Wes Welker]

Moss is overrated...I will KHTFO if he is not careful.

 

[BoulderBob]

Opposing defensive coordinators during Moss' tenure in Oakland: "Sorry excuse for a run/pass blocking o-line, sorry excuse for a QB, and Randy Moss...pressuring the QB will be fairly easy, pity the RB stuck in this system... Can we dominate this offense by blitzing the JV QB who may or may not be drunk/stoned? What kind of tricks does Tom Walsh have up his sleeve? Art Shell? Is there a guy on this offense who can/will beat us if given the chance? Hmmmm...."

Defensive coordinators facing the 2007 Patriots/98-04 Vikings: "Oh ####"