Is Ryan Mallett a Top 5 QB Talent in the AFC? (1 Viewer)

[BallparkFrank]

Watching the battle of horrible QB's last night for 98% of the game got me to wondering not only if the Patriots have the 2 most talented QB's in the AFC East in Tom Brady and Ryan Mallett, but also if Mallett might even be a top 5 QB talent in the AFC given the HUGE difference in overall QB talent from the AFC to NFC. I know Mallett's buried behind Brady (and even Hoyer this year), hasn't even taken a regular season snap and he had some major red flags heading into the draft, but is it really crazy to think that he could be close to a top 5 talent already amongst AFC gunslingers? Yikes!

 

[jonboltz]

Well, he is the 3rd best QB on his own team. Then Ben is more talented. Despite his troubles this year, Rivers is also more talented. You can add Palmer too.

Brady

Ben

Rivers

Palmer

--probably several others in here--

Hoyer

Mallett

My answer is No.

 

[BallparkFrank]

Well, he is the 3rd best QB on his own team. Then Ben is more talented. Despite his troubles this year, Rivers is also more talented. You can add Palmer too.BradyBenRiversPalmer--probably several others in here--HoyerMallettMy answer is No.

If you had to select a franchise QB today from the pool of current AFC starting QB's, I've gotta believe Mallett would be very near the top. That could be a nice compliment to Mallett or more likely the brutal fact that there are some really meh QB's in this group overall.

 

[jonboltz]

Well, he is the 3rd best QB on his own team. Then Ben is more talented. Despite his troubles this year, Rivers is also more talented. You can add Palmer too.BradyBenRiversPalmer--probably several others in here--HoyerMallettMy answer is No.

If you had to select a franchise QB today from the pool of current AFC starting QB's, I've gotta believe Mallett would be very near the top. That could be a nice compliment to Mallett or more likely the brutal fact that there are some really meh QB's in this group overall.

BradyBenRiversPalmerFlaccoDaltonFitzgeraldSchaubLockerGabbertSanchezThe above are no-doubt-about-it ahead of Mallett in my opinion. Several others I would also be inclined to suspect would also be taken before him.

 

[finito]

Why would Mallet be very near the top?

 

[the turnip]

Got to be trolling question...

 

[thriftyrocker]

In a Madden dynasty mode style NFL startup draft I doubt he goes before Flacco, Schaub, Dalton, Peyton, Fitzpatrick, Palmer, Rivers, Ben, Brady.

 

[BallparkFrank]

Why would Mallet be very near the top?

I'm admittedly going out on a limb and projecting here, but I think he's amongst the most TALENTED QB's in the group if you take away the obvious baggage that dropped his draft stock.

 

[ivnabru]

I think Mallett is almost certainly more of a talent than Hoyer. He was going to be the #1 pick before his final season. Even in that draft I don't think it would have surprised anyone if a team used a late 1st or early 2nd on him.

But top 5 AFC QB? Nope.

Brady, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Schaub are all head and shoulders above.

Cassell, Flacco, Dalton, Fitzpatrick, Hasselbeck, Palmer are all safe arguments too imo. I mean we can't just be talking pure potential right?

 

[jonboltz]

In a Madden dynasty mode style NFL startup draft I doubt he goes before Flacco, Schaub, Dalton, Peyton, Fitzpatrick, Palmer, Rivers, Ben, Brady.

need some help getting back off of that limb?

 

[Zeff]

If the AFC started from scratch, I don't think he'd end up as anyone's starter. Not sure I'd call him one of the top 5 from the last two draft classes.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Watching the battle of horrible QB's last night for 98% of the game got me to wondering not only if the Patriots have the 2 most talented QB's in the AFC East in Tom Brady and Ryan Mallett, but also if Mallett might even be a top 5 QB talent in the AFC given the HUGE difference in overall QB talent from the AFC to NFC. I know Mallett's buried behind Brady (and even Hoyer this year), hasn't even taken a regular season snap and he had some major red flags heading into the draft, but is it really crazy to think that he could be close to a top 5 talent already amongst AFC gunslingers? Yikes!

How do we know if he'll be any better than the "horrible" QBs from last night?It interesting though how bad the QB talent is in the AFC right now - especially when you leave out guys like Manning, Cassell and Shaub who are injured. I though this thread might be a fishing trip, but when you look at it it's not really that far of a stretch, if it is at all (depends on what you thought of Mallet).If I was going to guess, based on how I projected the rookies coming out and what we've seen:1. Brady2. Roethlisberger3. Rivers4. Palmer5. Dalton6. Flacco7. Mallet8. Tebow (based on whole package)9. Locker10. Orton11. Hoyer12. Fitzpatrick13. Sanchez14. Leinart15. McCoy16. Quinn17. Gabbert18. Gradkoski19. Brunell20. McCown21. Smith22. PainterIt's pretty ugly and the Patriots probably have some trade bait.

 

[jonboltz]

If the AFC started from scratch, I don't think he'd end up as anyone's starter. Not sure I'd call him one of the top 5 from the last two draft classes.

He's not even top 5 in his own class.

 

[jonboltz]

How do we know if he'll be any better than the "horrible" QBs from last night?

It interesting though how bad the QB talent is in the AFC right now - especially when you leave out guys like Manning, Cassell and Shaub who are injured. I though this thread might be a fishing trip, but when you look at it it's not really that far of a stretch, if it is at all (depends on what you thought of Mallet).

If I was going to guess, based on how I projected the rookies coming out and what we've seen:

1. Brady

2. Roethlisberger

3. Rivers

4. Palmer

5. Dalton

6. Flacco

7. Mallet

8. Tebow (based on whole package)

8. Locker

9. Orton

10. Hoyer

11. Fitzpatrick

12. Sanchez

13. Leinart

14. McCoy

15. Quinn

16. Gabbert

17. Gradkoski

18. Brunell

19. McCown

20. Smith

21. Painter

There are a lot of NFL GMs that have very recently disagreed with this projection.

 

[dgreen]

That Manning guy is still in the AFC, no? I mean, if we're going to make some big assumptions about Mallet, we might as well go ahead and assume Manning will recover and be nearly as talented as he was last year.

 

[BallparkFrank]

Ok...ok, so I gave you all a nice, easy, Friday pinata to swing away at. I've always wanted to start one of those threads that people bump a few years later to show how smart they are, though!

 

[Dr. Octopus]

People are really over-rating Fitzpatrick. Guy put up some gaudy stats at the beggining of the season, but he's starting to get exposed. He just isn't really all that good.

Also assuming the OP meant right now and we'd leave off guys like Manning, Shaub, Cassell that are out for the season.

 

[need2know]

how can anyone answer this?

 

[dgreen]

especially when you leave out guys like Manning, Cassell and Shaub who are injured.

Why are we leaving out injured players? Their talent hasn't changed, they just can't currently access that talent.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

How do we know if he'll be any better than the "horrible" QBs from last night?

It interesting though how bad the QB talent is in the AFC right now - especially when you leave out guys like Manning, Cassell and Shaub who are injured. I though this thread might be a fishing trip, but when you look at it it's not really that far of a stretch, if it is at all (depends on what you thought of Mallet).

If I was going to guess, based on how I projected the rookies coming out and what we've seen:

1. Brady

2. Roethlisberger

3. Rivers

4. Palmer

5. Dalton

6. Flacco

7. Mallet

8. Tebow (based on whole package)

8. Locker

9. Orton

10. Hoyer

11. Fitzpatrick

12. Sanchez

13. Leinart

14. McCoy

15. Quinn

16. Gabbert

17. Gradkoski

18. Brunell

19. McCown

20. Smith

21. Painter

There are a lot of NFL GMs that have very recently disagreed with this projection.

I was looking at from pure talent - Mallet dropped because of some major red flags (headcase, drug usage, etc.). I would hardly guarantee he'll not go the way of a Ryan Leaf though and I could definately see Locker and Gabbert having better careers.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

especially when you leave out guys like Manning, Cassell and Shaub who are injured.

Why are we leaving out injured players? Their talent hasn't changed, they just can't currently access that talent.

I just looked at the first two posts and made that assumption (since both left out Manning - Manning and Shaub are obviously more talented. Cassell is debateable.

 

[jonboltz]

How do we know if he'll be any better than the "horrible" QBs from last night?

It interesting though how bad the QB talent is in the AFC right now - especially when you leave out guys like Manning, Cassell and Shaub who are injured. I though this thread might be a fishing trip, but when you look at it it's not really that far of a stretch, if it is at all (depends on what you thought of Mallet).

If I was going to guess, based on how I projected the rookies coming out and what we've seen:

1. Brady

2. Roethlisberger

3. Rivers

4. Palmer

5. Dalton

6. Flacco

7. Mallet

8. Tebow (based on whole package)

8. Locker

9. Orton

10. Hoyer

11. Fitzpatrick

12. Sanchez

13. Leinart

14. McCoy

15. Quinn

16. Gabbert

17. Gradkoski

18. Brunell

19. McCown

20. Smith

21. Painter

There are a lot of NFL GMs that have very recently disagreed with this projection.

I was looking at from pure talent - Mallet dropped because of some major red flags (headcase, drug usage, etc.). I would hardly guarantee he'll not go the way of a Ryan Leaf though and I could definately see Locker and Gabbert having better careers.

In addition to questions about his decision making, complete inability to escape pressure, marginal footwork, and not being able to throw on the run. There was more to him falling than just off-the-field stuff.If this question was who had the best arm, Mallett would rate highly. But "talent", especially at the QB position, is a lot more than just arm strength and accuracy.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

How do we know if he'll be any better than the "horrible" QBs from last night?

It interesting though how bad the QB talent is in the AFC right now - especially when you leave out guys like Manning, Cassell and Shaub who are injured. I though this thread might be a fishing trip, but when you look at it it's not really that far of a stretch, if it is at all (depends on what you thought of Mallet).

If I was going to guess, based on how I projected the rookies coming out and what we've seen:

1. Brady

2. Roethlisberger

3. Rivers

4. Palmer

5. Dalton

6. Flacco

7. Mallet

8. Tebow (based on whole package)

8. Locker

9. Orton

10. Hoyer

11. Fitzpatrick

12. Sanchez

13. Leinart

14. McCoy

15. Quinn

16. Gabbert

17. Gradkoski

18. Brunell

19. McCown

20. Smith

21. Painter

There are a lot of NFL GMs that have very recently disagreed with this projection.

I was looking at from pure talent - Mallet dropped because of some major red flags (headcase, drug usage, etc.). I would hardly guarantee he'll not go the way of a Ryan Leaf though and I could definately see Locker and Gabbert having better careers.

In addition to questions about his decision making, complete inability to escape pressure, marginal footwork, and not being able to throw on the run. There was more to him falling than just off-the-field stuff.If this question was who had the best arm, Mallett would rate highly. But "talent", especially at the QB position, is a lot more than just arm strength and accuracy.

I watched him play plenty and agree with some on your criticisms, but I think he's a better prospect than Gabbert and about even with Locker. By no means am I saying that I'm right - people much better at it than me make mistakes all the time.

 

[TheFootballJesus]

If the AFC started from scratch, I don't think he'd end up as anyone's starter. Not sure I'd call him one of the top 5 from the last two draft classes.

He's not even top 5 in his own class.

The other extreme isn't the right answer here either.

 

[Boston]

how can anyone answer this?

Agreed...who knows what he'll be...the best news about Mallett is this is the first time I've heard his name since the season started...hopefully that means his head is on-straight and he's maturing while watching Brady...there's no question the kid has some serious physical tools...the minute you saw him in pre-season it was apparent...if he puts the work in and grows up I don't think it's too difficult to see him as a productive NFL starter sometime in the future...

 

[jonboltz]

If the AFC started from scratch, I don't think he'd end up as anyone's starter. Not sure I'd call him one of the top 5 from the last two draft classes.

He's not even top 5 in his own class.

The other extreme isn't the right answer here either.

NewtonGabbertLockerPonderDaltonI think all five are more talented.

 

[Dexter Manley]

how can anyone answer this?

Because Belichick did it again! He got Mallett in the 3rd round while dumb teams like the Titans and Jaguars took far lesser talented qb's in the top 10!

 

[TheFootballJesus]

If the AFC started from scratch, I don't think he'd end up as anyone's starter. Not sure I'd call him one of the top 5 from the last two draft classes.

He's not even top 5 in his own class.

The other extreme isn't the right answer here either.

NewtonGabbert

Locker

Ponder

Dalton

I think all five are more talented.

Again, if talent is the main issue here, then you're wrong. Mallet was considered a first round talent but slipped almost purely because of character concerns. Has all the physical tools to succeed and had a lot of success in a pro style offense in college. Looked good this preseason as well.I'd rate him above all those QBs except Newton and Dalton.

 

[AmosMoses]

Why would Mallet be very near the top?

I'm admittedly going out on a limb and projecting here, but I think he's amongst the most TALENTED QB's in the group if you take away the obvious baggage that dropped his draft stock.

You putting talented in all caps doesn't make your opinion any stronger. He isn't close. He's probably a top 5 3rd string QB though.

 

[EBF]

Mallett was a much better college player than Gabbert, Ponder, and Locker.

Top 5 in the AFC might be a stretch at this juncture, but he definitely has the upside to reach that level. Provided that he works hard, he should get a starting opportunity somewhere in the next few years. If Derek Anderson can get as many chances as he did then there's no reason why Mallett can't do the same. He's a much better version of the same player.

 

[Bri]

Problem is these guys are actually competing and that's what you hold against them.

Mallett hasn't sniffed NFL success. This is a ridiculous fishing expedition, but kinda fun.

Dalton gets incorrectly compared to veterans constantly. I was dead wrong in preseason and the guy has a chance at Bradford and Peyton's rookie numbers. Ya'all can rave about everyone else as much as ya want, by the end of the year you're probably going to have to come around to appreciating Dalton.

Mallett will have to take his lumps like every other inexperienced QB.

 

[Bri]

Watching the battle of horrible QB's last night for 98% of the game got me to wondering not only if the Patriots have the 2 most talented QB's in the AFC East in Tom Brady and Ryan Mallett, but also if Mallett might even be a top 5 QB talent in the AFC given the HUGE difference in overall QB talent from the AFC to NFC. I know Mallett's buried behind Brady (and even Hoyer this year), hasn't even taken a regular season snap and he had some major red flags heading into the draft, but is it really crazy to think that he could be close to a top 5 talent already amongst AFC gunslingers? Yikes!

Backatcha-Do the Patriots have the best QB crew of all time? one of?

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Watching the battle of horrible QB's last night for 98% of the game got me to wondering not only if the Patriots have the 2 most talented QB's in the AFC East in Tom Brady and Ryan Mallett, but also if Mallett might even be a top 5 QB talent in the AFC given the HUGE difference in overall QB talent from the AFC to NFC. I know Mallett's buried behind Brady (and even Hoyer this year), hasn't even taken a regular season snap and he had some major red flags heading into the draft, but is it really crazy to think that he could be close to a top 5 talent already amongst AFC gunslingers? Yikes!

Backatcha-Do the Patriots have the best QB crew of all time? one of?

Joe Montana, Steve Young and Steve Bono.

 

[sports_fan]

Watching the battle of horrible QB's last night for 98% of the game got me to wondering not only if the Patriots have the 2 most talented QB's in the AFC East in Tom Brady and Ryan Mallett, but also if Mallett might even be a top 5 QB talent in the AFC given the HUGE difference in overall QB talent from the AFC to NFC. I know Mallett's buried behind Brady (and even Hoyer this year), hasn't even taken a regular season snap and he had some major red flags heading into the draft, but is it really crazy to think that he could be close to a top 5 talent already amongst AFC gunslingers? Yikes!

Backatcha-Do the Patriots have the best QB crew of all time? one of?

Joe Montana, Steve Young and Steve Bono.

Favre, Rodgers, Null drafted Flynn following season

 

[jonboltz]

If the AFC started from scratch, I don't think he'd end up as anyone's starter. Not sure I'd call him one of the top 5 from the last two draft classes.

He's not even top 5 in his own class.

The other extreme isn't the right answer here either.

NewtonGabbert

Locker

Ponder

Dalton

I think all five are more talented.

Again, if talent is the main issue here, then you're wrong. Mallet was considered a first round talent but slipped almost purely because of character concerns. Has all the physical tools to succeed and had a lot of success in a pro style offense in college. Looked good this preseason as well.I'd rate him above all those QBs except Newton and Dalton.

Character was a concern, but he was slipping throughout the entire season last year. There were also several other significant concerns about his decision making, complete inability to escape pressure, marginal footwork, and not being able to throw on the run. I still consider those 5 more talented than him, and think it is other people that confuse arm strength and accuracy as the only factors in evaluating talent.

 

[jonboltz]

Watching the battle of horrible QB's last night for 98% of the game got me to wondering not only if the Patriots have the 2 most talented QB's in the AFC East in Tom Brady and Ryan Mallett, but also if Mallett might even be a top 5 QB talent in the AFC given the HUGE difference in overall QB talent from the AFC to NFC. I know Mallett's buried behind Brady (and even Hoyer this year), hasn't even taken a regular season snap and he had some major red flags heading into the draft, but is it really crazy to think that he could be close to a top 5 talent already amongst AFC gunslingers? Yikes!

Backatcha-Do the Patriots have the best QB crew of all time? one of?

They don't have the best QB crew in the NFL currently.

 

[Casting Couch]

If the AFC started from scratch, I don't think he'd end up as anyone's starter. Not sure I'd call him one of the top 5 from the last two draft classes.

He's not even top 5 in his own class.

The other extreme isn't the right answer here either.

NewtonGabbertLockerPonderDaltonI think all five are more talented.

I'll take Mallett over Gabbert without hesitation.

 

[BallparkFrank]

If the AFC started from scratch, I don't think he'd end up as anyone's starter. Not sure I'd call him one of the top 5 from the last two draft classes.

He's not even top 5 in his own class.

The other extreme isn't the right answer here either.

NewtonGabbert

Locker

Ponder

Dalton

I think all five are more talented.

Again, if talent is the main issue here, then you're wrong. Mallet was considered a first round talent but slipped almost purely because of character concerns. Has all the physical tools to succeed and had a lot of success in a pro style offense in college. Looked good this preseason as well.I'd rate him above all those QBs except Newton and Dalton.

Character was a concern, but he was slipping throughout the entire season last year. There were also several other significant concerns about his decision making, complete inability to escape pressure, marginal footwork, and not being able to throw on the run. I still consider those 5 more talented than him, and think it is other people that confuse arm strength and accuracy as the only factors in evaluating talent.

Arm strength and accuracy certainly aren't the only important thing to a QB's makeup, but they ARE the most common characteristics of elite QB's. Decision making is coachable and can certainly be improved over time especially when you're learning from a HOF QB and coach. Mobility is definitely a nice trait to have but look no further than Manning and Brady to prove that you don't need it to be amongst the elite. All elite QB's have the ability to consistently make big plays in the vertical passing game - Mallett has that skill set. Obviously he could fail and there's a very real possibility that his off field demons could jump up and grab him at any time, but when you take away the off field stuff, I think he shares many of the traits that other elite QB's in the NFL have. JMHO, I respect your take as well.

 

[jonboltz]

If the AFC started from scratch, I don't think he'd end up as anyone's starter. Not sure I'd call him one of the top 5 from the last two draft classes.

He's not even top 5 in his own class.

The other extreme isn't the right answer here either.

NewtonGabbertLockerPonderDaltonI think all five are more talented.

I'll take Mallett over Gabbert without hesitation.

If you feel Mallett is more talented than Gabbert, you'd be in the significant minority. I think are holding against Gabbert the fact that he was good enough to be drafted by a team than needed a starter, and thus ended up getting thrown into the wolves on a really bad Jax team. He wasn't viewed in such a way that allowed teams to pass on him several times and be willing to wait several years.

 

[jonboltz]

If the AFC started from scratch, I don't think he'd end up as anyone's starter. Not sure I'd call him one of the top 5 from the last two draft classes.

He's not even top 5 in his own class.

The other extreme isn't the right answer here either.

NewtonGabbert

Locker

Ponder

Dalton

I think all five are more talented.

Again, if talent is the main issue here, then you're wrong. Mallet was considered a first round talent but slipped almost purely because of character concerns. Has all the physical tools to succeed and had a lot of success in a pro style offense in college. Looked good this preseason as well.I'd rate him above all those QBs except Newton and Dalton.

Character was a concern, but he was slipping throughout the entire season last year. There were also several other significant concerns about his decision making, complete inability to escape pressure, marginal footwork, and not being able to throw on the run. I still consider those 5 more talented than him, and think it is other people that confuse arm strength and accuracy as the only factors in evaluating talent.

Arm strength and accuracy certainly aren't the only important thing to a QB's makeup, but they ARE the most common characteristics of elite QB's. Decision making is coachable and can certainly be improved over time especially when you're learning from a HOF QB and coach. Mobility is definitely a nice trait to have but look no further than Manning and Brady to prove that you don't need it to be amongst the elite. All elite QB's have the ability to consistently make big plays in the vertical passing game - Mallett has that skill set. Obviously he could fail and there's a very real possibility that his off field demons could jump up and grab him at any time, but when you take away the off field stuff, I think he shares many of the traits that other elite QB's in the NFL have. JMHO, I respect your take as well.

Manning and Brady are excellent examples of QBs that are incredibly mobile in the pocket and find time to make throws. This is a significant concern with Mallett

 

[Bri]

Watching the battle of horrible QB's last night for 98% of the game got me to wondering not only if the Patriots have the 2 most talented QB's in the AFC East in Tom Brady and Ryan Mallett, but also if Mallett might even be a top 5 QB talent in the AFC given the HUGE difference in overall QB talent from the AFC to NFC. I know Mallett's buried behind Brady (and even Hoyer this year), hasn't even taken a regular season snap and he had some major red flags heading into the draft, but is it really crazy to think that he could be close to a top 5 talent already amongst AFC gunslingers? Yikes!

Backatcha-Do the Patriots have the best QB crew of all time? one of?

Joe Montana, Steve Young and Steve Bono.

Favre, Rodgers, Null drafted Flynn following season

yeah but you guys don't love Mallett so I have expected that reply

 

[Casting Couch]

If the AFC started from scratch, I don't think he'd end up as anyone's starter. Not sure I'd call him one of the top 5 from the last two draft classes.

He's not even top 5 in his own class.

The other extreme isn't the right answer here either.

NewtonGabbertLockerPonderDaltonI think all five are more talented.

I'll take Mallett over Gabbert without hesitation.

If you feel Mallett is more talented than Gabbert, you'd be in the significant minority. I think are holding against Gabbert the fact that he was good enough to be drafted by a team than needed a starter, and thus ended up getting thrown into the wolves on a really bad Jax team. He wasn't viewed in such a way that allowed teams to pass on him several times and be willing to wait several years.

I know I'm in the minority, but I've seen nothing from Gabbert that shows me he can perform on the NFL stage.I'll take my chance with the unknown commodity. I think Mallet's skill set suits the NFL better.

 

[massraider]

Hope he doesn't complete another August pass against scrubs, the Pats may have to franchise him.

 

[Donnybrook]

Watching the battle of horrible QB's last night for 98% of the game got me to wondering not only if the Patriots have the 2 most talented QB's in the AFC East in Tom Brady and Ryan Mallett, but also if Mallett might even be a top 5 QB talent in the AFC given the HUGE difference in overall QB talent from the AFC to NFC. I know Mallett's buried behind Brady (and even Hoyer this year), hasn't even taken a regular season snap and he had some major red flags heading into the draft, but is it really crazy to think that he could be close to a top 5 talent already amongst AFC gunslingers? Yikes!

Suggesting that he is better than Sanchez and Moore is one thing but it is silly to say that he is better than Ryan Fitzpatrick without taking a regular season snap. You might want to take your homer goggles off once and a while.

 

[BallparkFrank]

Watching the battle of horrible QB's last night for 98% of the game got me to wondering not only if the Patriots have the 2 most talented QB's in the AFC East in Tom Brady and Ryan Mallett, but also if Mallett might even be a top 5 QB talent in the AFC given the HUGE difference in overall QB talent from the AFC to NFC. I know Mallett's buried behind Brady (and even Hoyer this year), hasn't even taken a regular season snap and he had some major red flags heading into the draft, but is it really crazy to think that he could be close to a top 5 talent already amongst AFC gunslingers? Yikes!

Suggesting that he is better than Sanchez and Moore is one thing but it is silly to say that he is better than Ryan Fitzpatrick without taking a regular season snap. You might want to take your homer goggles off once and a while.

There's a big difference between "better" and "more talented". In 2007, Donovan McNabb was probably better than Aaron Rodgers, but Rodgers was probably more talented. Fitz turns 29 next week, has hit his ceiling, will never be an elite QB and has 60 career TD's to 54 INT's. While I'm admittedly projecting, yes, I do think Mallett has more talent that Fitz.

 

[jonboltz]

Watching the battle of horrible QB's last night for 98% of the game got me to wondering not only if the Patriots have the 2 most talented QB's in the AFC East in Tom Brady and Ryan Mallett, but also if Mallett might even be a top 5 QB talent in the AFC given the HUGE difference in overall QB talent from the AFC to NFC. I know Mallett's buried behind Brady (and even Hoyer this year), hasn't even taken a regular season snap and he had some major red flags heading into the draft, but is it really crazy to think that he could be close to a top 5 talent already amongst AFC gunslingers? Yikes!

Suggesting that he is better than Sanchez and Moore is one thing but it is silly to say that he is better than Ryan Fitzpatrick without taking a regular season snap. You might want to take your homer goggles off once and a while.

There's a big difference between "better" and "more talented". In 2007, Donovan McNabb was probably better than Aaron Rodgers, but Rodgers was probably more talented. Fitz turns 29 next week, has hit his ceiling, will never be an elite QB and has 60 career TD's to 54 INT's. While I'm admittedly projecting, yes, I do think Mallett has more talent that Fitz.

I think some people are just using different words for different things. I'm happy to stipulate that Mallett has a stronger arm than Fitz.

 

[Donnybrook]

Watching the battle of horrible QB's last night for 98% of the game got me to wondering not only if the Patriots have the 2 most talented QB's in the AFC East in Tom Brady and Ryan Mallett, but also if Mallett might even be a top 5 QB talent in the AFC given the HUGE difference in overall QB talent from the AFC to NFC. I know Mallett's buried behind Brady (and even Hoyer this year), hasn't even taken a regular season snap and he had some major red flags heading into the draft, but is it really crazy to think that he could be close to a top 5 talent already amongst AFC gunslingers? Yikes!

Suggesting that he is better than Sanchez and Moore is one thing but it is silly to say that he is better than Ryan Fitzpatrick without taking a regular season snap. You might want to take your homer goggles off once and a while.

Mallett reminds me of Vinne Testaverde. Testaverde had a huge arm and was a great college QB but he never got it going in the NFL. No one knows if Mallett's talent will translate to NFL success. He probably not going to see the field for several more year so there is no point in ranking him now.

 

[Run It Up]

4. Palmer5. Dalton6. Flacco8. Tebow (based on whole package)12. Fitzpatrick13. Sanchez14. Leinart

Palmer above anyone but the rookies and Sanchez, Fitzpatrick not in the top 6, a Rookie with a cake schedule ahead of Fitzpatrick, Tebow being on this list at all (whats the shelf life of a QB (lol) whos only half decent mechanic is shared with another position thats shelf life is 2.5 years?)

 

[AmosMoses]

The only thing this thread has told me is that we have to go by whatever Ballpark Frank says talented means. So Ballpark Frank, would you mind posting your complete definition of talented? Thx.

 

[BallparkFrank]

The only thing this thread has told me is that we have to go by whatever Ballpark Frank says talented means. So Ballpark Frank, would you mind posting your complete definition of talented? Thx.

Is it really that hard to grasp that a veteran QB could be "better" because of his experience, grasp of the offense and chemistry with his teammates if you had to win an NFL game today but that a skilled rookie would be more talented? I thought I gave a couple decent examples earlier with the discussion of Fitzpatrick likely being the better overall NFL QB today because of those intangibles yet Mallett having more talent. I don't think it's that difficult to comprehend...