I am under the impression they are the biggest threat and if your goal is to exterminate Islam extremism, you start with the biggest threat.
The others you can take care of more easily.
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Is there any way to stop terrorism? (1 Viewer)
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The others you can take care of more easily.
guncrib
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There really is just one way to do this.
We must all immediately go to our Facebook accounts and superimpose the image of the flag of Belgium on our profile pictures. The rainbow overlay got gay marriage adjudicated. There have been no attacks in France since everyone started putting the French tri-colour overlay on their pictures. Sometimes we make things mpore complicated than they need to be.
We must all immediately go to our Facebook accounts and superimpose the image of the flag of Belgium on our profile pictures. The rainbow overlay got gay marriage adjudicated. There have been no attacks in France since everyone started putting the French tri-colour overlay on their pictures. Sometimes we make things mpore complicated than they need to be.
Hyperbole. I said it would be weakened. So sad that when people can't hang in a debate, they just make stuff up.
Mario Kart
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Terrorism didn't begin with 9/11. Too many Americans believe it did. This should not be news to anybody.
Captain Cranks
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General Malaise
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You guys! They're probably reading this thread right now. Don't tell them how we're going to stop them!!!11
Chadstroma
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Eradicate? No. Limit? Yes.
The only real effective approach is a holistic one that takes more intelligence and courage than most politicians show.
Leadership. Leadership needs to be provided to unite allied and other countries in an effort against terror. Amongst our allies there could be much better coordination, sharing, etc. We need to figure out a way to work with Russia and China, both have their own Islamic terror problems and our big players that could really help. The trick is dancing with them on terror even when we are at odds in other subjects. We are the superpower and that leadership falls on us. In different ways the Bush and Obama administrations have failed miserably at providing this leadership.
Money. You have to identify source of and stop the flow of money. It is not a peripheral issue but at the core of it. One of the failings, in my view, of Afghanistan was how the military essentially turned a blind eye to the drugs in Afghanistan which ended up being a huge source of funds for the Taliban. Of course, it is not as easy as just destroying crops etc because then you risk turning simple farmers trying to make a few bucks against you and then their whole family etc but you can't go around putting our fires (i.e. capturing weapons) and expect that to be effective. The smart thing is to remove the source of the fires and clear the brush (i.e. no money to buy weapons) before a fire can start.
Military engagement. I know this is the big issue here that some people freak out about. But, you CAN NOT allow Daesh and satellites to operate essentially almost freely in areas and expect that we can contain them or bomb them into submission. Al-Qaeda was decimated largely because we denied them a safe home base. The same must be done for Daesh and it's satellites. This does not always mean a large scale invasion and occupation- though at times it may. Increasingly we can count on these European countries that are being hit with terror to pony up and shoulder a larger burden supported by US logistics. For example, France has already shown it's ability to operate in Africa. With further assistance and encouragement, as part of a global strategy, this could be augmented and working along African nations then progress will be made. The air war will need to be continued and even further expanded but in areas special forces along with native or neighboring forces, our own troops, allied countries like France, etc will be needed.
Intelligence. We have to turn and infiltrate their organizations. The hard part is when they are small organizationally, typically they are full of true believers which makes it almost impossible to turn them and smaller organizations are hard to infiltrate normally. The larger they become, they easier it is to do both because not everyone playing the Jihadi is a true believer and you can play the Jihadi and be welcomed into the fold with some convincing.
There is more. I don't have the time right now to go into all of them in detail but education, propaganda (for lack of a better word), community relations within our borders with Arab/Muslim communities and protecting/assimilating those populations (not treating them like foreigners), encouraging refugees towards Turkey, Jordan, Saudi, etc and supporting those nations in hosting them, police/security improvements and economic/free trade development.
The only real effective approach is a holistic one that takes more intelligence and courage than most politicians show.
Leadership. Leadership needs to be provided to unite allied and other countries in an effort against terror. Amongst our allies there could be much better coordination, sharing, etc. We need to figure out a way to work with Russia and China, both have their own Islamic terror problems and our big players that could really help. The trick is dancing with them on terror even when we are at odds in other subjects. We are the superpower and that leadership falls on us. In different ways the Bush and Obama administrations have failed miserably at providing this leadership.
Money. You have to identify source of and stop the flow of money. It is not a peripheral issue but at the core of it. One of the failings, in my view, of Afghanistan was how the military essentially turned a blind eye to the drugs in Afghanistan which ended up being a huge source of funds for the Taliban. Of course, it is not as easy as just destroying crops etc because then you risk turning simple farmers trying to make a few bucks against you and then their whole family etc but you can't go around putting our fires (i.e. capturing weapons) and expect that to be effective. The smart thing is to remove the source of the fires and clear the brush (i.e. no money to buy weapons) before a fire can start.
Military engagement. I know this is the big issue here that some people freak out about. But, you CAN NOT allow Daesh and satellites to operate essentially almost freely in areas and expect that we can contain them or bomb them into submission. Al-Qaeda was decimated largely because we denied them a safe home base. The same must be done for Daesh and it's satellites. This does not always mean a large scale invasion and occupation- though at times it may. Increasingly we can count on these European countries that are being hit with terror to pony up and shoulder a larger burden supported by US logistics. For example, France has already shown it's ability to operate in Africa. With further assistance and encouragement, as part of a global strategy, this could be augmented and working along African nations then progress will be made. The air war will need to be continued and even further expanded but in areas special forces along with native or neighboring forces, our own troops, allied countries like France, etc will be needed.
Intelligence. We have to turn and infiltrate their organizations. The hard part is when they are small organizationally, typically they are full of true believers which makes it almost impossible to turn them and smaller organizations are hard to infiltrate normally. The larger they become, they easier it is to do both because not everyone playing the Jihadi is a true believer and you can play the Jihadi and be welcomed into the fold with some convincing.
There is more. I don't have the time right now to go into all of them in detail but education, propaganda (for lack of a better word), community relations within our borders with Arab/Muslim communities and protecting/assimilating those populations (not treating them like foreigners), encouraging refugees towards Turkey, Jordan, Saudi, etc and supporting those nations in hosting them, police/security improvements and economic/free trade development.
Thunderlips
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Haven't places like Egypt and Turkey had periods of less autocratic rule? The idea of immigrants to the West not adapting has some merit, but there's a number of "pro-western" folks who have flourished all over Europe and The United States.
sn0mm1s
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Actually, you said it would die. If that is hyperbole - why post something so obviously wrong.
sublimeone
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It's possible but genocide is worse... so we'll just keep dealing with it the best we can.
And it will. But there's not just one head to the snake, one leader you've got to cut off.
The prerequisite to death is being weakened.
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Chaka
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Chaka
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Killing their leaders? Gee why didn't anyone else think of that? You really should consider a Presidential run.
sn0mm1s
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No, there are more than you could possibly ever target and kill. Terrorism doesn't have a centralized leadership. How many "top targets" have been killed over the years? Dozens? Hundreds? Has it really helped?
Chaka
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Todem
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He basically is suggesting starting WWIII. If you want to attack the middle east and take their oil.....we are going to war. A real war. Your talking about wiping out a culture. Because hate breeds hate.
The suggestion is basically carpet bombing countries like Syria, Iran, Pakistan and making them parking lots. That is what some people in this country are cheering for. We are talking massive amounts of death not seen since WWII. Take over the oil fields and occupy.
We still would have plenty of terrorism.
I always go back to this simple statement. "You can't have freedom for free" Innocent lives will be lost as part of our way of life. If we start to fear and restrict our way of life.....they win.
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Poncho
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You just ship their dirty ###es back to the home land. If that offends them well then tough poo....Until they can learn to play nice with others, isolate them to their wasteland of a home....
Did you actually read it? It did happen.
From Snopes:
"So while it's true that the U.S. military dropped leaflets on 16 November 2015 warning "telling Syrian truck drivers to run for their lives" less than an hour before massive airstrikes were undertaken against ISIS forces, the operation didn't directly involve President Obama. Moreover, critical articles published more than a week after the strikes failed to account for extensive commentary made by Col. Warren about the operation and its focus on minimizing civilian casualties. No portion of extensive media coverage of those strikes remotely indicated that the leaflets were dropped aiding with ISIS in mind, and the maneuvers were not retaliatory in nature."
Somewhat, it's probably a good deterrent. If there is a way to stop it, that would be the method to do so.
Allowing the leaders to recruit and gather resources won't do us much good.
Todem
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Counter Intelligence and a united effort among NATO is the only way to curb and decrease the attacks. No way we can ever just defeat the radical Islamic sect. There are too many parasites on our planet. All we can do is try to prevent as many of these senseless acts of violence as we can through black op's, strategic air strikes and ground attacks when needed. Every time you kill a leader of a cell...a new one is waiting in the wings.
They breed like rabbits.
They breed like rabbits.
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Captain Cranks
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I think you're missing the point of my question. Who is "they" and how do you identify them? Ultimately, however you define "them", those who you're most concerned about will simply change their identities. Instead of Muslim from Syria, they're Christian from France, or so they say.
Cliff Clavin
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Poncho
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I think they are pretty easy to identify actually. Just because a middle easterner has his beard trim to look all PC and Americanized doesn't mean much to me.
Captain Cranks
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So you're saying anyone of Middle Eastern descent. Too bad that doesn't eliminate people like this... http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/white-widow-samantha-lewthwaite-was-6658174
sn0mm1s
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It isn't a deterrent. You don't become a radical - capable of suicide bombings - if you are afraid you might die.
Poncho
Footballguy
Pretty sure the "head gear" would have given white guilt lady away. Bounce her like a taco I say.....
Right, but if we find that it's the leaders helping in this radicalization then we could definitely slow it down.
They take men who live in poverty and offer them money and women in support of their cause.
Serious question, is it the text itself that radicalized these people? Do they have mental illness? Or is it propaganda perpetuated by their leaders?
Chadstroma
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Chechens and Muslims from the Balkans don't fall within the middle eastern category either.
Poncho
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urbanhack
Fight The Power!
pats3in4
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https://embed-ssl.ted.com/talks/kar...of_terrorism_that_doesn_t_make_headlines.html
Interesting TED Talk on Muslim-on-Muslim violence. We sometimes hear the refrain, "Until the peaceful Muslims root out the radicals within their midst, this problem is never going away." Unfortunately, it's easier said than done.
Interesting TED Talk on Muslim-on-Muslim violence. We sometimes hear the refrain, "Until the peaceful Muslims root out the radicals within their midst, this problem is never going away." Unfortunately, it's easier said than done.
Poncho
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Close enough and not really in the mood to take any chances, give him some desert living love......Let's play a game. Muslim? Yes or No?
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joffer
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urbanhack
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Poncho
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It can not be taken seriously since no politician will ever do anything about it. They will just sit around talking is all while radical muslims waltz around the world doing as they please.
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