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Is this an easy Patriots Super Bowl win? (1 Viewer)
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give me a minute to breathe.Vegas lined the Eagles underdogs because the public perception was that he wasn't good enough for them to win. I think they were the first #1 seed to be an underdog in the divisional round in over a decade. Every square bettor in the world was fading them Eagles this postseason simply because of Nick Foles.
Yet, like you mentioned, the Eagles paid him good money prior to this offseason. It was also telling that their organization had a lot of faith in him when they didn't sign a better backup QB when Wentz was injured. The Eagles have built an incredible team especially utilizing analytics and it's a team similar to the Patriots where you can tell they are making well informed personnel decisions. Casual fans rely too much on eye tests and don't take time to understand the good/bad situations players are in (like the Rams QBs), but it seemed obvious to me by the Eagles decisions surrounding Foles that they thought he was special.
I'm not sure who you're arguing with then. Everyone here agrees with you. Philly paid good money to have a good backup and paid off by earning them a ring.
Vegas lined the Eagles underdogs because the public perception was that he wasn't good enough for them to win. I think they were the first #1 seed to be an underdog in the divisional round in over a decade. Every square bettor in the world was fading them Eagles this postseason simply because of Nick Foles.
Yet, like you mentioned, the Eagles paid him good money prior to this offseason. It was also telling that their organization had a lot of faith in him when they didn't sign a better backup QB when Wentz was injured. The Eagles have built an incredible team especially utilizing analytics and it's a team similar to the Patriots where you can tell they are making well informed personnel decisions. Casual fans rely too much on eye tests and don't take time to understand the good/bad situations players are in (like the Rams QBs), but it seemed obvious to me by the Eagles decisions surrounding Foles that they thought he was special.
massraider
Footballguy
It's an insane argument.
Hey too bad the QB that threw for 500 yards didn't have that WR. Might've made a difference.
Unless Belichick's plan was for Cooks to play CB and cover Clement, I'm not really seeing the argument.
Edelman+Cooks does not equal Wentz+Peters+Hicks.
And it's not close
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I think Eagles fans should be allowed to celebrate and bask in this moment. Their team earned it last night.
That said, it will be a dark day in FBG history if we're no longer allowed to mock and criticize the Eagles' fan base. This is one of the things that unites us as Americans.
That said, it will be a dark day in FBG history if we're no longer allowed to mock and criticize the Eagles' fan base. This is one of the things that unites us as Americans.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Be glad you won. But the injury arguments are silly at this point. No one out for NE will make up for missing Wentz, but anyone you bring up beyond will be a push.
Peters (PHI) and Cannon (NE) were missing All Pro offensive lineman for both teams.
Hicks (PHI) and Hightower (NE) were missing play making MLB's for both teams.
Sproles (PHI) is more than cancelled out by Edelman (NE).
We could go on and on.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Vegas lined the Eagles underdogs because the public perception was that he wasn't good enough for them to win. I think they were the first #1 seed to be an underdog in the divisional round in over a decade. Every square bettor in the world was fading them Eagles this postseason simply because of Nick Foles.
Vegas just took a bath on the Eagles W. Pretty nasty one too.
Slider
Footballguy
Yeah I've always said WCO QB's had it the easiest. It's the best offense for a QB. That said Wentz adds an element Foles doesn't with his legs. Foles throws a better deep ball at this point but he's not taking over here. I believe Foles will only be good in a WCO but those jobs are all taken.
Rodgers, Wentz, Mahomes, Brady (they pretty much run a WCO), Brees and now Carr will all do well next year. Tribusky should benefit a good bit. IMO Foles' only possible opening is the Giants and that's probably not happening. He's a fine QB but unless he goes where a WCO is, it'll be Jeff Fisher all over again.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
You guys are gonna have to work harder on that now. "Never won the Super Bowl" doesn't apply anymore. "Booed Santa Claus" is now 50 years old.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
And here I would think that Foles' performance over the last couple games would indicate that there wasn't that much of a drop off from Wentz to Foles either.
modogg
Footballguy
Bronco Billy said:
another good one. So if Cooks doesn't get hurt, Brady would realistically have what 540-550 yards passing? it wasn't like Brady didn't complete any more long gains in the air or anything, they bounced back from Cooks out i would say pretty well. That 3rd Q was probably the quietest 3rd Q in Philadelphia ever, Brady just took the ball and dominated the passes without Cook
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Pederson was smart that he abandoned alot of wco stuff for foles for more spread r.p.o. type plays which foles excells at. I love coaches that adapt schemes and the playbook to their personnel. Not people like norv turner who pretty much run their offense
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I think we are still talking in circles about this Cooks thing.
modogg
Footballguy
i guess i am just wondering is what difference it would have made. I mean Brady still threw for 505 yards. If he had more incompletions or if more drives stalled then i could see an argument, but losing Cook didn't seem to slow that offense in the least bit. You Pats fans would know better than eagles' fans, just my 2 cents
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
No, I don't think that he would have gone for 600 yds with Cooks in there. My point was that a game that was so close on both sides of the ball and those one or two plays add up in a hurry. IMO it took them a couple drives to get on track, and I think it happened more after the half. I could be remembering incorrectly, but I think that dumb Brady as a WR play came after Cooks got hurt (and didn't they fail to convert the 4th after that?), and the drive at the end of the half wasn't successful. I think the injury got them slightly off track for a couple drives, and that is a difference in a game that close. At the very least, he is their only main deep threat, so does that make a difference on the Hail Mary, or when they needed huge chunks on the last drive before halftime? I just think there is more to the story than just saying "come on, Brady threw for 500 yards and they didn't punt, what difference would it make". All these things add up - Philly getting the huge 4th downs, the one sack, the missed tackles, Butler not in, Cooks getting hurt, etc, etc.. Take a couple of those plays and have them go the other way and an insanely close game could have a different outcome.
Not whining, not finding excuses, just talking. Philly played a great game and deserved the win.
need2know
Footballguy
It seems like such a logical easy and correct way to do it but only a handful of coaches actually do it. It's odd really
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Anarchy99
Footballguy
The drive that Cooks got knocked out didn’t work out. And I believe another drive stalled before halftime. So that’s two drives that were immediately impacted. They adjusted for the second half.
It’s not the yards that matter. It’s the points. They could possibly have had more points in the first half.
It’s not the yards that matter. It’s the points. They could possibly have had more points in the first half.
ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
Of course. And looking back, who didn’t see that Apple and Google stock would be where they’re at now? Or that pets.com would implode? Hindsight makes geniuses of us all.
And maybe Wentz would have put the ball in a better spot on the ball that Jeffrey batted in the air that the Pats intercepted and we'd have gotten 7 more. Injuries suck. The good teams deal with them.
dhockster
Footballguy
dhockster
Footballguy
modogg
Footballguy
yeah good points. the one for us Eagles fans like that was the b.s. interception after Alshon juggled it. Wasn't b.s. but was dumb luck. Same exact thing as Torry Smith 20 yard catch against Falcons that bounced off the safety's knee. i was worried that one was going to burn them
Thunderlips
Footballguy
On the replay....Foles TD reception. Stuff of Legends!
Donkey Derp
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Thunderlips
Footballguy
Eagles made a couple of OL adjustments early to mid season....before that, Wentz was running and pulling Harry Houdini's every game. I don't believe Foles could have done that behind the early O-line.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I think this is kind of a silly argument for multiple reasons. For starters, the Pats' offense was off track in the first half BEFORE Cooks got hurt. They failed to score on the drive BEFORE Cooks got hurt. Secondly, the idea that they ran the Brady throwback play because Cooks got hurt is crazy. And lastly, the drive at the end of the half was a long time after Cooks got hurt (3 or 4 drives) and starting at their own 25 with 34 seconds left, it's pretty crazy to count that drive as likely points anyway even with Brady at the helm.
Insein
Footballguy
I'm loving the replay.
"Previous play is under review. After Review ruling on the field stands"
Much better way to watch that.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Not what the books have been saying on the news all day. They got creamed on the money line and on prop bets according to every book interviewed.
Insein
Footballguy
Nah the women of this country who were already pissed off that This is Us got moved to Sunday would have burned NBC to the ground.
you
when I said the Eagles probably would have won the SB if Foles, not Wentz, started all year. Jaguars aren't that good. If homers want to call me a troll for saying that, sure I can troll them when their team loses.
Projected W/L of only 8.5 next year despite making a run to the AFC Championship game. Titans and Texans will both be improved - Jaguars might not even win their division next year. Not going to get a free pass with pillow soft schedule.
dhockster
Footballguy
I don't think they were calling you a troll because of what you said, but the way you said it.
I think your projection is reasonable (I would probably put it at 9.5) with Bortles still at QB. If they get rid of Bortles and upgrade at QB, then they have a chance to be a real contender.
Yeah, you apparently missed when I originally posted in there after the 49ers loss. Their defense had holes in it that could be exploited - they just rarely played anyone capable of doing so.
8.5 is the opening Vegas W/L. It's telling the team overachieved when a 10 win, AFCC contender is projected to win less games next year. The Dolphins were the same exact way last season when they made the playoffs.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
The AFC was absolute garbage this year, and that was one reason why the Jags did as well as they did. We'll see if more AFC teams become not-garbage next year.
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