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Isaiah Crowell (1 Viewer)

Cant find any "expert" who likes this guy this year, i drafted him late, but he looks like he has earned a spot in my underperforming lineup

 
I think Waldman mentioned him as a like at his ADP with Bloom "on the couch" but I quite possibly may be wrong on that.

Im salty I benched Crow for Blount at 1250 PM right now, so my mind is not in the right place.

 
OnTheReg said:
I'm thinking that as well. What would you say is a fair return/target?
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to an 0-2 team in need of RB help

If you need a QB, the team that has Stafford  on the bench. Or Brady coming down the tracks.

If you need a WR, packaged with one of your WRs for anybody not in the top 7 (or so) preseason list.

 
NikAre you guys nuts? He was a stud high school rb.stud college rb. Has all the makings of a top RB..

Better coaching thia season.who was Pettine anyways? Where is he now, bagging groceries? He was perhaps the WORST coach in the nfl over the past 30 years..

They have a top WR in Coleman. They have a stud top 5 WR in Gordon coming back in 3 weeks. How will defenses stack that line? McCown is a legit starting QB..

Crow has a ton of value and he is here to stay, folks..grab him now.

 
mphtrilogy said:
Cant find any "expert" who likes this guy this year, i drafted him late, but he looks like he has earned a spot in my underperforming lineup
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Waldman mentioned him in several of his articles. But don't let a lack of expert opinions on a guy scare you off. Gotta remember a lot of "experts" are just groupthink donkeys.

I primarily trust Matt Harmon when it comes to WRs and Waldman on any position, but particularly RBs.

 
This was a very big year of group think, and I bought into it.

Gurley was a group think consensus, but stepping back, it was a bad pick to look at him as the #1 overall back, just a bad O and not a lot of easy games.  But everyone is afraid of making really Bold decisions, like Crowell is in for a possible good year and a good late round stash because of Hue and commitment to the run game.  Oh well, I did grab him so I am vested with a late pick who might help me out as I have some earlier bust picks.

Cle has been in both games, and I get that they are down to there 3rd QB, but doesn't that mean even more touches for Crowell, who Hue already mentioned as a workhorse kind of back?    What does a guy have to do to at least get a positive mention?  He has two TD's in two weeks, and this week blew up as #1 rb of the week.  At a minimum, he is a flex play most weeks, and with this new HC and scheme, and a want and need to run the ball to at least take pressure of the precarious QB's, he should at least be considered as someone who you should consider each week.

here is CLE's schedule:

START: Sun Sep 25: at MIA
START: Sun Oct 2:  at WAS
possible SIT Sun Oct 9: NE (at home)
START Sun Oct 16:  at TEN
possible SIT Sun Oct 23:  at CIN
SIT Sun Oct 30:  NYJ
START: Sun Nov 6:  DAL
START: Thu Nov 10:  at BAL
possible SIT Sun Nov 20: PIT
possible SIT Sun Nov 27:  NYG
possible SIT Sun Dec 11:  CIN
START Sun Dec 18:  at BUF
START Sat Dec 24: SD
possible SIT Sun Jan 1:  at PIT

I see 7 startable games, and depending on your roster and flex that week, he might be an ok play especially at Home.

Arrow should be pointing up, no??  I would rather have him than Yeldon, and probably Freeman right now, as they are both on my team.

Crowell continues to get no respect, I love Bloom, but even he is piling on this week, what does a guy have to do to at least get a mention as a solid rotational play based on matchup.  (Apologies if this is an illegal post, this was just a snippet from this week's Up/Down)


 


Running Back Downgrade



RB Isaiah Crowell, CLE - Crowell looked fast and strong on his 85-yard TD run, but he was bottled up as the Browns tried to nurse a lead for the rest of the game. With Josh McCown likely out for a long stretch, Crowell will only be a desperation play, as he is a poor fantasy play unless the Browns can be competitive for most of the game.
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Yeah was definitely surprised to see Crowell in the Downgrade section. He's their most trusted RB and has played well so far. I mean, no one is expecting Crowell to be an RB1, but he looks to be a nice RB2 for now. Which is way ahead of where he was being drafted.

 
Yeah, that's a bizarre downgrade. The Browns were way too obvious in trying to run without a QB for anyone to expect Crowell to have had a good second half. The offense won't be strong without a QB, but he's still the team's lead back and goal line guy. He already had the coach's confidence and now he's proven why. He's going to be dangerous in the second half of the season. They'll hopefully have a QB and defenses will have learned to respect Coleman plus Gordon will be back.

 
Posted in the Duke thread earlier, but just as appropriate of a question here

What were Hue Jackson's gamescripts like for Hill / Gio splits when Andy Dalton was injured?

Wondering if we should have expectation changes with the young QB coming in for Cleveland as far tilting things more or less to the pass-catching in Duke back vs the heavier dose of Crowell we have seen weeks 1 & 2..

 
On Dodds' ROS Top 200, Crow is RB15 in standard scoring.

I'm having a hard time reconciling that with Bloom's super pessimistic downgrade note on him. I really have no idea what to make of him. He scares the hell out of me, but so do like 75% of RBs. 

 
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I upgrade from the preseason idea that Duke Johnson was gonna force this into a 50/50 split.  

I downgrade from maybe what we thought was the new reality after week 2 (lead dog! Breakaway speed!)

I don't want him on any of my teams.  I thought CLE had a chance to be all time bad with RGIII.  Now they starting Kessler.  

 
shadyridr said:
No idea? Their QB went from McCown to Cody Kessler.
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True, but keep in mind that after week 1 people still doubted Crowell (too much offseason Duke hype to overcome in one week). So a week 2 performance like that has to upgrade his stock even if he'll temporarily be limited by the QB situation.

 
FF Ninja said:
True, but keep in mind that after week 1 people still doubted Crowell (too much offseason Duke hype to overcome in one week). So a week 2 performance like that has to upgrade his stock even if he'll temporarily be limited by the QB situation.
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If their QB was McCown he'd have RB2 value now. With his QB being Kessler he is more of an RB3. Thats a downgrade from last week. Certainly not an upgrade.

 
A lousy QB will mean even more snaps for Crowell.  Why does he get a downgrade? But Gurley is just a shrug, they have equal bad qbs and setups.  I gete that Gurley is a better talent, but geez... the guy just had a fantastic run and a 130 yard day and he gets a downgrade?

Gurley was a holding steady this week for Bloom..., 2nd week of being a flop...

 
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mphtrilogy said:
A lousy QB will mean even more snaps for Crowell.  Why does he get a downgrade? But Gurley is just a shrug, they have equal bad qbs and setups.  I gete that Gurley is a better talent, but geez... the guy just had a fantastic run and a 130 yard day and he gets a downgrade?

Gurley was a holding steady this week..., 2nd week of being a flop...
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He had those yards with Josh McCown. He no longer has McCown. Thus the downgrade.

 
shadyridr said:
He had those yards with Josh McCown. He no longer has McCown. Thus the downgrade.
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I get that.  But McCown did not even beat out RG3.

I don't see how you can downgrade a guy after a 130 yard day and an 85 Yd TD, his schedule is not bad.  the gamescripts will still be to feed him the ball.. a lot.  At worst, hold him steady.  he is in my lineup this week.  I'm sure he will bust now ;)

 
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shadyridr said:
No idea? Their QB went from McCown to Cody Kessler.
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Let's not act like anyone was expecting spectacular QB play from the Browns coming into the season. If you were high on Crowell to start the season, he's done nothing so far that would make you doubt him. If you were unsure of him to start the season, then you're probably surprised by what he's done so far.

I don't think anyone in here is advocating for him as a top 10-15 RB. But, he can serve as a decent RB2 or flex option in standard leagues. And for where he was going in drafts, that's solid value so far.

 
mphtrilogy said:
A lousy QB will mean even more snaps for Crowell.  Why does he get a downgrade? But Gurley is just a shrug, they have equal bad qbs and setups.  I gete that Gurley is a better talent, but geez... the guy just had a fantastic run and a 130 yard day and he gets a downgrade?

Gurley was a holding steady this week for Bloom..., 2nd week of being a flop...
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Kessler is a huge downgrade from McCown so I get it. They will be daring Kessler to beat them with his arm and stacking the box against Crowell, and I don't think Crowell will do that well against 8-9 defenders crowding the line. One just has to hope McCown can return in a few weeks or they can coax Peyton out of retirement. Hopefully Crowell can overcome what is going to be a very challenging situation.

If he gets 65 yards and a TD I will be happy.

 
I still have my doubts about Crowell. A lot of what he did against the Ravens was because Mccown and Coleman were connecting early. Plus how many games are the Browns going to be up and be able to run the ball. Duke will still be used in the passing game when the Browns are mounting a comeback. Heck, the 0-2 Dolphins are still 10 point favorites against the Browns this weekend. 

 
massraider said:
Do you think that was an even contest, or do you think the coaches maybe wanted the young guy to win the job?
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Not even at all. New coach, new QB, new system, get the hype up on the Browns, not the boring old McCown that the fans have already seen. 

 
Traded for Duke in the offseason and protected him on my keeper squad.....but, at the time I was split on who I wanted (guy I traded with owned both Duke and Crow)....he eventually traded Crowell to another team......and, now I'm trying to acquire him. I like Crowell's schedule moving forward and the QB situation isn't a factor to me.

 
Hue Jackson has been taking up Crowell and he's been feeding him the rock so be stays as a solid RB3/Flex. McCown would be better, but I don't think Kessler will hurt Crows value much. 

 
Slapdash said:
No idea why you would downgrade Crow after that week 
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Forget the QB but how about because first round pick and starting center Cameron Erving is week-to-week with a pulmonary contusion?  Losing your second best lineman and having to shuffle the line before going on the road with a rookie QB who, by all accounts, is not ready for the job is reason is reason for a modest downgrade.

 
Chaka said:
Forget the QB but how about because first round pick and starting center Cameron Erving is week-to-week with a pulmonary contusion?  Losing your second best lineman and having to shuffle the line before going on the road with a rookie QB who, by all accounts, is not ready for the job is reason is reason for a modest downgrade.
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Wasn't aware of this one, thanks

 
Ahhh, neither was I. Sorta glad the Crowell owner just rejected my offer. Just sorta. Yes, thanks for the info.

 
shadyridr said:
No idea? Their QB went from McCown to Cody Kessler.
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Yep, seems obvious why he would be downgraded. He had a great long run, but without that he was 17-48, less than 3ypc. Yeah, yeah I know you can't take away the long run. My point isn't to do that, but with Kessler, the line gets more stacked to stop Crowell as Baltimore did after the big run. I think the 17-48 is far more likely than the 85 yard TD without a decent QB. Some might say McCown was a step up from RG3.

I think he can still have good games like against the horrible Redskins run D, but it just got harder for him, hence the downgrade. 

 
I understand the logic here but there aren't a lot of rb's that will get 18-20 carries a game like he will.  

 
stbugs said:
I think the 17-48 is far more likely than the 85 yard TD without a decent QB.
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17-48 is far more likely for any RB than an 85 yard TD regardless of the QB.

There have been 30 rushing scores of 85 yards or longer by a RB since 1995.  Only five RBs have done it more than once. So I think it's safe to not base any predictions about Crow's future production on the possibility of going 85 yards on any given play.

 
rjv said:
I understand the logic here but there aren't a lot of rb's that will get 18-20 carries a game like he will.  
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Just because someone gets 18-20 a game doesn't mean he'll do anything with it. Gurley got 17 and 19 carries and hasn't cracked 100 total yards or 3.0 YPC. If Gurley can't do it, I doubt Crowell can. 

 
TheFanatic said:
Just because someone gets 18-20 a game doesn't mean he'll do anything with it. Gurley got 17 and 19 carries and hasn't cracked 100 total yards or 3.0 YPC. If Gurley can't do it, I doubt Crowell can. 
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Doesn't matter to me being in a 16 team league.  He is invaluable having as a RB in a league this size. 

 
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TheFanatic said:
Just because someone gets 18-20 a game doesn't mean he'll do anything with it. Gurley got 17 and 19 carries and hasn't cracked 100 total yards or 3.0 YPC. If Gurley can't do it, I doubt Crowell can. 
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Except that Crow has.

But that's besides the point.  All you can ask for is opportunities for your players, whether they do anything with those opportunities is another matter.  I think most people would take almost any 18-20 touch guy over an 8-10 touch guy.

 
Crow was clocked in at 22mph on his 85 yard touchdown this week which was the fastest any RB has been clocked at so far this season.

 
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