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Isiah Pead>Darryl Richardson. (1 Viewer)

'JAA said:
For the Pead lovers, I have only 1 question:

Have you ever watched him play?

Thanks
Why is it so clear, because he played him so much last year when he had the chance? You'd think he'd be looking for chances to get the RB he took in the 2nd round more touches.I wouldn't read to much into a few offseason remarks, of course the guy is going to talk him and Richardson up...it's all he's got.

 
can we argue that fisher knows richardson is better since ya kno, he gave richardson moar touches and had him higher on the depth chart and all that...

 
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'gianmarco said:
'jmo87usc said:
I would love to know how much of the negative posting in here about pead and richardson are from guys who don't own them or traded them away for peanuts and are now feeling remorse.I've never seen such passion to prove someone wrong when there is no clear evidence to support either side of the debate. I missed out on buying low on Lamar Miller. I'm not over in the Lamar Miller thread bashing him to make myself feel better. Just move on.
Can we stop with this silly notion that people hate players because they don't own them? It makes no sense. It didn't just so happen that Pead didn't end up on a single one of my teams and THEN I decided not to like him. That doesn't make sense. It makes more sense to not have liked him to begin with and thus never went after him. Same goes for Richardson. I had an opportunity to buy him pretty cheaply a couple times in a couple offers just recently and declined both times because I just don't think he'll ever be the main guy. I don't dislike his prospects now because I don't own him. Quite the opposite. I don't own him BECAUSE I dislike his prospects. Similarly, people that advocate for a player that they own aren't doing so just because they own them. They own them BECAUSE they liked them. It's the most ridiculous thing here to dismiss naysayer's viewpoints just because they don't own a player and similarly to dismiss an owner of a guy who is bullish on him. I don't know about you but I don't just get a random group of guys and call it my roster and then come here to try and pimp them out. I actively seek out guys that I like who end up on my roster. It would stand to reason that I would then post positive things about them. I completely missed the boat on Doug Martin last year and didn't own him on a single team. I didn't hate him as a result of that. That would be foolish.
Wow. Struck a nerve? No ones accusing you of doing this bud. Just wondered how much negativity was from envy as opposed to trying to provide useful information. Believe me, it happens. And it's annoying to have to filter through it when trying to get helpful information.
Of course I don't own Pead. I did not like him. So much so, he was the reason I aquired Richardson. Pead was drafted to compliment Jackson. Since I did not think much of him, I took flyers on the more athletic guy who I did not know much about. Richardson has already surpassed what I thought Pead could do. So, at this point I have very little regard for Pead other than I think he is Richardson's back up. I'm more concerned about whether they think Richardson can carry the load, since he too was drafted to compliment Jackdon. Similarly, I picked up Lance Ball when McGahee got hurt, because I am down on Hillman and thought he would fail.
 
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For the Pead lovers, I have only 1 question:

Have you ever watched him play?

Thanks
Would you mind elaborating on your point? Out of several posts you've made, I haven't been able to gather any useful information as to why you do or don't like Pead. With the ton of footage you've seen on him, could you give some specific reasons about his play that brought you to your conclusion. I apologize, but I don't even know if your comparing him to aaron stecker and donald brown is a good or bad thing? Thanks

 
For the Pead lovers, I have only 1 question:

Have you ever watched him play?

Thanks
No problem, sorry for the non-specifics.Ive watched Pead all through college and while he was a good if not great college player, his size/burst/vision aggregated doesnt compare to a lot of the other Big East players who have gone to the NFL and done good things if not anything.

Pead has decent vision, but when he gets into the hole he doesnt have enough quickness to get through it at the NFL level. If you look at Pead compared to Richardson, you can see the burst in the hole and they are completely different. Next, his size doesnt give him enough mass to bounce off tackles. If you compare him to Ray Rice and McCoy coming out of school, it was night and day. Just take some time to look over each of their college game and tell he how Pead and Donald Brown stack up. Why do I keep bringing up Brown? Brown was drafted in the 1st round by the Colts and I tried to tell everyone on here that his 2k yards was completely inflated. He is not NFL material except as maybe a change of pace back. People laughed at me. Next, same with MBush at UofL. I thought he was a great college RB before his injury, but his size/burst/vision combo wouldnt translate to the NFL as an every down back.

Full disclosure I own neither in any of my 5 dynasty leagues. I am actively trying to trade for Richardson though. I dont think Richardson is a 20+ carry in-between the tackle player, but I like him in PPR flex type large roster leagues.

 
For the Pead lovers, I have only 1 question:

Have you ever watched him play?

Thanks
Thanks for this. Based on the small sampling of his college footage I've seen, it does seem he has a tendency to go right for the sidelines. I liked what I saw in the Patriots game last year as far as running inside, but I don't know it that was his talent or just good blocking. He does seem to have good vision and decent lateral burst, but I can never tell for sure.I own Pead and Richardson and I'm trying to decide if I want to hang on to them as my RB2, or sell them to the highest bidder if I get any good offers. It's just been really hard to get a good read on their situation.

Thanks again

 
Remember, if you sell them, you won't be taken seriously if you say anything bad about them afterward. You'll just be accused of being bitter for having sold low on them.

 
Thanks for this. Based on the small sampling of his college footage I've seen, it does seem he has a tendency to go right for the sidelines. I liked what I saw in the Patriots game last year as far as running inside, but I don't know it that was his talent or just good blocking. He does seem to have good vision and decent lateral burst, but I can never tell for sure.I own Pead and Richardson and I'm trying to decide if I want to hang on to them as my RB2, or sell them to the highest bidder if I get any good offers. It's just been really hard to get a good read on their situation.Thanks again
Watch the video of all his carries that I posted - he only went outside on three runs and those were designed pitch plays.
 
For the Pead lovers, I have only 1 question:

Have you ever watched him play?

Thanks
Not getting PT is not a positive but it doesn't matter what he says. His actions drafting him in the 2nd round speak of what he thinks about him more than his words. I find it strange that many people are so much higher on Vereen (another under-used 2nd round RB) when Pead is virtually the same player and has a much clearer path to PT. Who knows if he'll pan out but he has the opportunity.

 
Pead's path is not clearer. NE just lost Woodhead, so Vereen's role is clear. I wouldn't expect him to unseat Ridley, but I'd expect his role to expand should Ridley get knocked out again. Vereen is also bigger and stronger than Pead, so he is better suited to take over the lead role should he be called upon.

Pead and Richardson vied for the same role and Richardson beat him out. It may turn out that neither is featured, but I expect Richardson to continue to have the upper hand regardless of the circumstances.

 
For the Pead lovers, I have only 1 question:

Have you ever watched him play?

Thanks
I think you are experiencing confirmation bias. How many people are still higher on Vereen than Ridley? Not many. By your logic, Belichick still likes Vereen more. All I am saying is that once the pads went on, Richardson climbed the depth chart while Pead simply didn't. Now, neither one took over a starting role so it was only depth chart jockeying. But Richardson got a lot more carries. I think that points, at the very least, to him being more pro-ready despite coming from a small school. Is he better? I don't know if we can determine that in March. August should be interesting though. I would lean towards Richardson right now. But it isn't clear yet who will be the play here. The only thing Pead did better than Richardson last year was get drafted higher.

 
For the Pead lovers, I have only 1 question:

Have you ever watched him play?

Thanks
As to the bolded above, drafting him in the 2nd round doesn't really mean much. There have been quite a few RBs drafted in the 2nd round that were only viewed as complimentary players.Just in the last 5 years, here are some guys drafted in the 2nd round that not only weren't fantasy relevant, but were never really viewed as legit candidates for a starting job:

2007--Kenny Irons (team had Rudi Johnson. When Rudi got hurt, it was Kenny Watson who was his backup to get carries).

Brian Leonard (ironically this was the Rams with an in-his-prime Steven Jackson). Despite using a 2nd round pick, he was never viewed as the heir apparent.

Brandon Jackson -- Drafted by Green Bay. Had 75, 45, and 37 carries in his first 3 years.

2010 -- Toby Gerhart (drafted by Minn on a team with Adrian Peterson. This is the most obvious example of a team using a 2nd round pick on a guy that was never expected to carry the load)

Others include: Vereen, Daniel Thomas, Ryan Williams, and Hardesty.

Point being, being drafted in the 2nd round doesn't insure you of anything. For one, just because a team uses such a "high" pick doesn't mean they intend on giving you a full-time starting job (see Gerhart and Leonard). Secondly, even if they envision it, there are enough examples of teams abandoning and never giving the player a shot if he simply isn't good enough.

This is not saying that we can already say Pead isn't good enough. What it is saying is that, just because they drafted him in the 2nd round last year doesn't necessarily mean that they view him as the heir apparent starter. It might, but it certainly might not. I wouldn't read so much into being a 2nd round pick. Factor in his size and they may have drafted Pead as complimentary player all along.

 
Isaiah Pead RB STL1 Hr St Louis RamsCoach Jeff Fisher confirmed that RB Isaiah Pead is in the mix to start this season.Pead barely got off the bench as a rookie, receiving just 10 carries all season as he fell behind Daryl Richardson. Now there's a massive opportunity with Steven Jackson in Atlanta, and Fisher hasn't lost faith in his second-round pick. "He'll get his opportunity this year. ... He's got a chance to make a lot of big plays for us." Like most young backs, Pead needs to show improvement in ball security and pass protection. But he has significantly more upside than Richardson and is the current favorite to lead this committee. The Rams will also add more talent to the position, possibly via April's draft.
 
Isaiah Pead RB STL

1 Hr St Louis Rams

Coach Jeff Fisher confirmed that RB Isaiah Pead is in the mix to start this season.

Pead barely got off the bench as a rookie, receiving just 10 carries all season as he fell behind Daryl Richardson. Now there's a massive opportunity with Steven Jackson in Atlanta, and Fisher hasn't lost faith in his second-round pick. "He'll get his opportunity this year. ... He's got a chance to make a lot of big plays for us." Like most young backs, Pead needs to show improvement in ball security and pass protection. But he has significantly more upside than Richardson and is the current favorite to lead this committee. The Rams will also add more talent to the position, possibly via April's draft.
Is Fischer really saying anything other than what is obvious? There's currently only 2 "experienced" backs on the roster, they'll be in the mix to start if nothing changes.The bolded is Rotoworld speculation which is usually not all that useful. I don't think eithe back is the favorite right now. I wouldn't be shocked either way. Personally Richardson looked far better to me, but sometimes rookie backs don't burst right out of the gate and if Pead learns to run with a little more patience and savvy instead of looking so amped up, he could take a big step.

 
Let's just call it what it is here....a crapshoot.
Isaiah Pead RB STL

1 Hr St Louis Rams

Coach Jeff Fisher confirmed that RB Isaiah Pead is in the mix to start this season.

Pead barely got off the bench as a rookie, receiving just 10 carries all season as he fell behind Daryl Richardson. Now there's a massive opportunity with Steven Jackson in Atlanta, and Fisher hasn't lost faith in his second-round pick. "He'll get his opportunity this year. ... He's got a chance to make a lot of big plays for us." Like most young backs, Pead needs to show improvement in ball security and pass protection. But he has significantly more upside than Richardson and is the current favorite to lead this committee. The Rams will also add more talent to the position, possibly via April's draft.
Sounds about right...I love where whoever wrote this starts to state the obvious(show improvement in ball security and pass protection)...well if Pead needs to show improvement in two of the most fundamental skills you must have to be an NFL RB then maybe he doesn't have quite the upside this writer is indicating. It's a poor snippet and very ripe for off season bs or as I like to call it the NFL Enquirer.

Richardson, Pead, who knows...and I would not doubt another RB is drafted to come in and challenge these two backs.

 
Its amazing what happens when you cherry pick quotes> Same Fisher interview:

“He [Pead] just didn’t get a chance because of the other two,” Fisher said, via the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. “But he’ll get his opportunity this year. … He’s got a chance to make a lot of big plays for us.”
So basically he was beaten out by Jackson and Richardson last year - but now everyone expects him to leapfrog Richardson? On what basis?Sure he'll get a chance to compete - just like he had a chance to compete for the back-up slot last year. We'll see who has the better off-season.

 
Isaiah Pead RB STL1 Hr St Louis RamsCoach Jeff Fisher confirmed that RB Isaiah Pead is in the mix to start this season.Pead barely got off the bench as a rookie, receiving just 10 carries all season as he fell behind Daryl Richardson. Now there's a massive opportunity with Steven Jackson in Atlanta, and Fisher hasn't lost faith in his second-round pick. "He'll get his opportunity this year. ... He's got a chance to make a lot of big plays for us." Like most young backs, Pead needs to show improvement in ball security and pass protection. But he has significantly more upside than Richardson and is the current favorite to lead this committee. The Rams will also add more talent to the position, possibly via April's draft.
Total coach speak to keep the guy motivated. I believe that Pead is the better back, but I think this is crap.
 
Sometimes it can be something as stupid as how Pead acted knowing that SJax was there and in his way. He may come to camp a new man this year knowing he can be the lead guy from day one. He may run better behind the revamped line than Richardson. Richardson might get hurt. Etc. I drafted him on the potential I saw and that's still there, so I'm holding out hope he can get it together and turn it around for whatever reason.

We'd be having the same discussion about David Wilson if Bradshaw/Andre Brown had stayed healthy all year. Still wanted Wilson long term even when he was in the doghouse. I'd rather have Richardson if I needed a guy to start week 1, but dynasty I still think Pead is the long play.

 
I'm still waiting to hear any examples of sub 200 lb guys as starters who didn't have elite speed (his 4.47 is far from elite like CJ3 or Charles).

Anyone?

 
'gianmarco said:
I'm still waiting to hear any examples of sub 200 lb guys as starters who didn't have elite speed (his 4.47 is far from elite like CJ3 or Charles). Anyone?
Ray Rice ?http://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?i=8049
 
'gianmarco said:
I'm still waiting to hear any examples of sub 200 lb guys as starters who didn't have elite speed (his 4.47 is far from elite like CJ3 or Charles). Anyone?
Ray Rice ?http://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?i=8049
LeSean McCoyhttp://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=70862&draftyear=2009&genpos=rb
 
'gianmarco said:
I'm still waiting to hear any examples of sub 200 lb guys as starters who didn't have elite speed (his 4.47 is far from elite like CJ3 or Charles). Anyone?
Ray Rice ?http://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?i=8049
Portis - 204, 4.42Westbrook - 200, 4.57Bush - 201, 4.38Charles - 200, 4.38McCoy - 204, 4.50With the exception of Bush they were all 2nd or 3rd round picks.
 
Not too many little guys are going to carry a massive workload, regardless of their speed or talent level. There's Chris Johnson and that's about it. Even some of the more talented small backs like Charles, Bush, Spiller, and McCoy have never lugged the ball more than 300+ times in a season despite being around for several years. They make up for the lack of volume with receptions, high YPC, and explosive big plays.

As for Richardson, I don't think he's quite got the frame to be an every down guy, but he runs stronger than you'd think just looking at his height/weight because he has tree trunk thighs. I think he could maybe handle 180-220 carries per season. Something in the range of what Warrick Dunn used to get on average in most seasons. Not the highest ceiling, but he could be useful. It will be interesting to see what St. Louis does in the draft because there aren't really a lot of great power runners out there this year.

 
As for Richardson, I don't think he's quite got the frame to be an every down guy, but he runs stronger than you'd think just looking at his height/weight because he has tree trunk thighs.
The bolded is simply untrue. The vast majority of the time Richardson goes down easily. He does not move the pile, it looks like he hits a brick wall when he hits the pile. He may have broken a few arm tackles, but is often brought down with arm tackles. He is very sudden, so sometimes he catches defenders off balance and gains an extra yard or two after contact, but that has nothing to do with power.I am a Rams fan, I like Richardson. He is nothing more than a change of pace or 1/3 of the load committee guy, or emergency starter in a pinch. He can run through holes like a son-of-a-gun, but contact is his kryptonite.

 
'gianmarco said:
I'm still waiting to hear any examples of sub 200 lb guys as starters who didn't have elite speed (his 4.47 is far from elite like CJ3 or Charles).

Anyone?
Ray Rice ?http://nflcombineres...page.php?i=8049
Portis - 204, 4.42Westbrook - 200, 4.57

Bush - 201, 4.38

Charles - 200, 4.38

McCoy - 204, 4.50

With the exception of Bush they were all 2nd or 3rd round picks.
These guys are still all over 200 lbs. I know it seems silly to quibble about a couple pounds here or there, but if it wasn't that big of a deal, we'd see more guys under 200 lbs where it mattered.As for Ray Rice, his combine weight was under 200 lbs, but he is currently listed at 212 lbs and he certainly looks like he is easily over 200 lbs, if not at that actual 212 lbs. There is no way he's under 200 lbs.

Not only did both Richardson and Pead weigh under 200 lbs at the combine, but they are STILL both listed under 200 (196 and 197 respectively) at NFL.com and on the team page. Again, it may only be 4-5 lbs, but those few lbs make a difference. And if these guys could bulk up a little bit for the role, I'm sure they would.

So far, Westbrook would be the only guy listed above that offers a very similar frame and type player as those guys. Still, the odds are stacked heavily against either of them being the main starter over any substantial period of time (> 1 full season). I won't say it's impossible, but I'll put my money elsewhere on another bet because I don't like playing odds on guys like Pead or Richardson unless they completely jump out at me from a talent level. I'm not saying either of them looks bad, but neither is impressive enough to warrant placing such a bad bet.

 
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Rest assured, if Richardson or Pead are still significant runners 3 years from now, they'll be over 200 lbs too.

 
On the field Pead looked like McCoy to my eyes. He definitely needs to bulk up but if he can I like his potential as an every down back. We'll see.

 
'gianmarco said:
I'm still waiting to hear any examples of sub 200 lb guys as starters who didn't have elite speed (his 4.47 is far from elite like CJ3 or Charles). Anyone?
Steve Slaton. Was 197 at the Combine. Had a pretty good rookie year. He bulked up his second season. Currently listed anywhere from 208 to 215.http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=57359&draftyear=2008&genpos=RB
 
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'gianmarco said:
I'm still waiting to hear any examples of sub 200 lb guys as starters who didn't have elite speed (his 4.47 is far from elite like CJ3 or Charles). Anyone?
Ray Rice, Bradshaw, Brian Westbrook are the answer. Just like those guys, Richardson and Pead will be over 200 for most of their careers.
 
'gianmarco said:
I'm still waiting to hear any examples of sub 200 lb guys as starters who didn't have elite speed (his 4.47 is far from elite like CJ3 or Charles). Anyone?
Ray Rice, Bradshaw, Brian Westbrook are the answer. Just like those guys, Richardson and Pead will be over 200 for most of their careers.
If Pead can bulk up and get over 200 lbs, I would likely change my tune with him. We often hear reports of RBs adding weight during the offseason in preparation for a heavier role. It's still early, but so far no reports of that.
 
Thoughts with Stacy in the mix?
I think Stacy is now the best back on the team... not to mention the most complete.

IMO - Pead / Richardson will probably duel it out as the COP backs but I think Stacy can carry the load if given the chance.

He was on a horrible Vandy team and still competed against stingy SEC defences. He's not all that special in any way but he's a complete 3 down back that could shoulder the load if necessary.

CHOO CHOO!

 

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