Wow 2.09 would have been too early for me. I got Best at 3.08 and if I didn't take him another team was ready to take him before my 4th round pick came around. I even feel that the 3rd round is a little bit of a reach, but somethings you just need to reach to get a player. Last year I tried waiting on Ray Rice and ended up not getting him. Lesson learned....In a 12m ppr money leagueJust got Best at 3.04 after Rice at 1.04 and Fitz at 2.09..feeing pretty good about the draft so farI considered Best at 2.09 but when Fitz fell I couldn't pass. I held my breath until 3.04
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shnikies
Footballguy
ha, eric karabell, dont bring that crap in here.http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/football...ldk2k9ravens32Q
Here's a little snippet from that article dated 08/25/09:
I'm a bit less convinced that Rice will be the main running back unless injuries or terrific play forces such a move. I'd also be surprised if McGahee doesn't get a chance to play when healthy. Cameron's approach remains to ride the hot hand, see what the defense offers and make instinctive decisions based on each contest. One week Rice might get 18 carries, the next it could be McGahee. This lowers the individual value of each running back for fantasy, but it's good for the team. That's why I wouldn't recommend any Ravens running back in the top 50, because I think all three will fall short of 1,000 yards, and the team will keep its fans and fantasy owners guessing from week to week, and play to play. Someday soon Rice might be a fantasy monster, but I think for this year the competition will keep his value in check.
ROBOPUNTER
Footballguy
Help me understand what conclusion you are drawing here. Is it Karabell was wrong about Rice in 2009, therefore he will be wrong about Best in 2010?
shnikies
Footballguy
I'm trying to follow the hyperbole trend in the thread. Karabell said Rice wouldn't be a 1000 yard rusher and we know how he did and now he says Best won't be a 1000 yard rusher. So, obviously, by the transitive property, Best will finish as a top 4 running back. It's science.
ROBOPUNTER
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
"Plays on the Lions" is gonna look like a silly argument soon.
Wrigley
Footballguy
Agreed, the D is god awful, but the O looks like it's ready to take off.
ItsOnlytheRiver
Footballguy
It already seems silly to me.
My plan worked out, plus i got Finley in the 5th, giving me Rodgers, Jennings and Finley....they may as well give me my money now.I have a ppr draft that starts in an hour, I have Rodgers and Rice as keepers, and hoping that Jennings and Best make it to the 3/4 turn(Keepers count as first twp picks.)Rice and Best will make a dangerous pair in PPR leagues this year.In a 12m ppr money leagueJust got Best at 3.04 after Rice at 1.04 and Fitz at 2.09..feeing pretty good about the draft so farI considered Best at 2.09 but when Fitz fell I couldn't pass. I held my breath until 3.04
shnikies
Footballguy
Jennings.....blahMy plan worked out, plus i got Finley in the 5th, giving me Rodgers, Jennings and Finley....they may as well give me my money now.I have a ppr draft that starts in an hour, I have Rodgers and Rice as keepers, and hoping that Jennings and Best make it to the 3/4 turn(Keepers count as first twp picks.)Rice and Best will make a dangerous pair in PPR leagues this year.In a 12m ppr money leagueJust got Best at 3.04 after Rice at 1.04 and Fitz at 2.09..feeing pretty good about the draft so farI considered Best at 2.09 but when Fitz fell I couldn't pass. I held my breath until 3.04
I really hate to come in sipping the hateradeNinerK said:
, but this is getting out of control!! The point of taking best was to get 2 or 3rd round value in the 4th or later. Drafting him late 2nd early 3rd, you are getting him right where he should be. I just finished a non ppr and got him in mid round 5. Nothing that special about taking Best late 2nd. At that point he is being drafted as a top 10 rb or so. Getting Best in late 2/early 3 is just like getting Randy Moss late 1st/early 2nd. Solid value but nothing to get excited about.What kind of numbers are you projecting for Best to where you feel 3rd round is a no brainer? Top 5 Rb? Top 8? At top 12 all he did is live up to his draft spot.
smapdi
Footballguy
That is the perfect storm as far as FF is concerned. A really bad defense paired with a good offense is fantasy gold. They should be involved in a lot of shootouts. Best is even more valuable in PPR. He should be a lock for at least 40 receptions. I could see him reaching 65-75 catches and being the 2nd leading reciever behind CJ
rizzler
Footballguy
These threads always occur when a gifted RB comes into a perfect situation... I remember it well with Adrian Peterson.
Sometimes they hit, often they miss...
There is no koolaid, or haterade... one camp will be right, the other wrong.
I myself am front and center for the Best Train.... and I dont think or a second any of the praise is undeserved. I can understand waiting until the regular season begins to really hype up projections and say how great he really is in the NFL...
But from what he has shown until today, September 4, 2010.... he deserves all the hype he is getting
Sometimes they hit, often they miss...
There is no koolaid, or haterade... one camp will be right, the other wrong.
I myself am front and center for the Best Train.... and I dont think or a second any of the praise is undeserved. I can understand waiting until the regular season begins to really hype up projections and say how great he really is in the NFL...
But from what he has shown until today, September 4, 2010.... he deserves all the hype he is getting
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Wholeheartedly agree. Best was the best RB in this year's draft and he is an elite talent. The only thing that will stop him will be injuries.
More free poorn:
2008:
Spiller and Matthews are going to be good backs but Best has the best combination of moves, speed, hands, vision of 95% of the backs in the NFL.
shnikies
Footballguy
That's not true. You're a Rams fan, you should know this. Browns were the 2nd worst D and 8th best rushing offense, Chiefs were 3rd worst and 11th best, Titans 5th worst and 2nd best. You get my point.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Dodds is projecting him to be RB10. Is it really that silly?I really hate to come in sipping the haterade
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Good thing he can catch the ball well.....even in that scenario it helps him. The lions like to pass to their HBs.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
KSmith was on pace for 50 receptions last year, Best will do fine even if the Lions are down big.
Angus82
Footballguy
Draft with caution. Best is a great talent on a team that MIGHT have a good offense. I do not think that he will make his own holes, I think that defenses will put much of their focus on him, and he is an unproven rookie. Rating him as the #10 RB is nice but I think that the risk doesn't warrant that ranking.Dodds is projecting him to be RB10. Is it really that silly?I really hate to come in sipping the haterade
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
As long as Calvin is healthy Best will not be the entire focus of the defense. Detroit has enough weapons to spread it around right now and the defense would be in trouble if they focus on the run.Draft with caution. Best is a great talent on a team that MIGHT have a good offense. I do not think that he will make his own holes, I think that defenses will put much of their focus on him, and he is an unproven rookie. Rating him as the #10 RB is nice but I think that the risk doesn't warrant that ranking.Dodds is projecting him to be RB10. Is it really that silly?I really hate to come in sipping the haterade
rizzler
Footballguy
because Best is the ONLY offensive weapon they have to focus on?Draft with caution. Best is a great talent on a team that MIGHT have a good offense. I do not think that he will make his own holes, I think that defenses will put much of their focus on him, and he is an unproven rookie. Rating him as the #10 RB is nice but I think that the risk doesn't warrant that ranking.Dodds is projecting him to be RB10. Is it really that silly?I really hate to come in sipping the haterade
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
We must be watching different players/teams. You seem to be confused.Draft with caution. Best is a great talent on a team that MIGHT have a good offense. I do not think that he will make his own holes, I think that defenses will put much of their focus on him, and he is an unproven rookie. Rating him as the #10 RB is nice but I think that the risk doesn't warrant that ranking.Dodds is projecting him to be RB10. Is it really that silly?I really hate to come in sipping the haterade
Angus82
Footballguy
Most defenses SHOULD be able to cover Best, Megatron, and a 2nd year QB. Unless I missed something, the Lions haven't exactly escaped the Matt Millen nightmare.because Best is the ONLY offensive weapon they have to focus on?Draft with caution. Best is a great talent on a team that MIGHT have a good offense. I do not think that he will make his own holes, I think that defenses will put much of their focus on him, and he is an unproven rookie. Rating him as the #10 RB is nice but I think that the risk doesn't warrant that ranking.Dodds is projecting him to be RB10. Is it really that silly?I really hate to come in sipping the haterade
Angus82
Footballguy
I am not confused at all. Feel free to draft him as the #10 RB. I will take a more established player that I know will perform. Next year when we have these same debates we can discuss who was BEST.We must be watching different players/teams. You seem to be confused.Draft with caution. Best is a great talent on a team that MIGHT have a good offense. I do not think that he will make his own holes, I think that defenses will put much of their focus on him, and he is an unproven rookie. Rating him as the #10 RB is nice but I think that the risk doesn't warrant that ranking.Dodds is projecting him to be RB10. Is it really that silly?I really hate to come in sipping the haterade
shnikies
Footballguy
Who are the ten established running backs that you know will perform?I am not confused at all. Feel free to draft him as the #10 RB. I will take a more established player that I know will perform. Next year when we have these same debates we can discuss who was BEST.We must be watching different players/teams. You seem to be confused.Draft with caution. Best is a great talent on a team that MIGHT have a good offense. I do not think that he will make his own holes, I think that defenses will put much of their focus on him, and he is an unproven rookie. Rating him as the #10 RB is nice but I think that the risk doesn't warrant that ranking.Dodds is projecting him to be RB10. Is it really that silly?I really hate to come in sipping the haterade, but this is getting out of control!! T
What kind of numbers are you projecting for Best to where you feel 3rd round is a no brainer? Top 5 Rb? Top 8? At top 12 all he did is live up to his draft spot.
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shnikies
Footballguy
Is there a third dimension to an offense other than running and passing?Most defenses SHOULD be able to cover Best, Megatron, and a 2nd year QB. Unless I missed something, the Lions haven't exactly escaped the Matt Millen nightmare.because Best is the ONLY offensive weapon they have to focus on?Draft with caution. Best is a great talent on a team that MIGHT have a good offense. I do not think that he will make his own holes, I think that defenses will put much of their focus on him, and he is an unproven rookie. Rating him as the #10 RB is nice but I think that the risk doesn't warrant that ranking.Dodds is projecting him to be RB10. Is it really that silly?I really hate to come in sipping the haterade
rizzler
Footballguy
yes... Jermichael Finley
ROBOPUNTER
Footballguy
Yes, it's called blocking. But I think that's lost on the people here who think the NFL has become a 7 on 7 league. But don't let me bust the Jahvid Best orgy here.
massraider
Footballguy
At this point, in order to meet the hype, Best and Finley are going to have to fly into the stadium, tear opposing defenders limb from limb, and score 6 TDs a game.
Angus82
Footballguy
Draft with caution. Best is a great talent on a team that MIGHT have a good offense. I do not think that he will make his own holes, I think that defenses will put much of their focus on him, and he is an unproven rookie. Rating him as the #10 RB is nice but I think that the risk doesn't warrant that ranking.
because Best is the ONLY offensive weapon they have to focus on?
Most defenses SHOULD be able to cover Best, Megatron, and a 2nd year QB. Unless I missed something, the Lions haven't exactly escaped the Matt Millen nightmare.
Is there a third dimension to an offense other than running and passing?
Having talented players and actually being a good team are two different things. We aren't talking Aikman, Irvin, and Smith. But, Hey, Thanks for playing!!
because Best is the ONLY offensive weapon they have to focus on?
Most defenses SHOULD be able to cover Best, Megatron, and a 2nd year QB. Unless I missed something, the Lions haven't exactly escaped the Matt Millen nightmare.
Is there a third dimension to an offense other than running and passing?
Having talented players and actually being a good team are two different things. We aren't talking Aikman, Irvin, and Smith. But, Hey, Thanks for playing!!
massraider
Footballguy
I think you are underrating Stafford. JMO.
shnikies
Footballguy
Really? Blocking isn't part of the running dimension?
Angus82
Footballguy
Oh no I am not. I love Stafford. I hate the O-Line. The Lions have a great deal of potential. I just think that it is a year away.
ROBOPUNTER
Footballguy
shnikies
Footballguy
I don't know if you know what mock means but if the point you're trying to make is that the Lions don't have an offensive line, I would like to know what you're basing that on. The yards per carry average of Kevin Smith, an average running back?Now I realize you really were mocking yourself earlier
BoulderBob
Footballguy
I know he has put on a good 20-30lbs of muscle/size over the past 2 years, but injuries/body-type concerns are the reason he fell a bit, and the reason I don't see him as a workhorse. Of course, every now and then exception the rules come along, but I don't expect Best to last very long in the NFL, hope I'm wrong, cause he is fun to watch...if I get 1-2 good seasons out of him in my dynasty league, I'll be content...as I should be
Ilov80s
Footballguy
The Lions offensive line is average. I am not sure why so many people here think it is so bad.
As for opponents focusing on Best, maybe. However, the Lions have enough weapons where no one player can't just be schemed out of the equation.
-Calvin: obvious mismatch for any defensive player on the planet
- Best: speed, quickness, and pass catching
-Burelson: legitimate NFL #2, Lions depended on Northcutt and an injured Bryant Johnson last year
-Scheffler/Pettigrew TE combo: how many teams have 2 tight ends as talented as this pair?
As for opponents focusing on Best, maybe. However, the Lions have enough weapons where no one player can't just be schemed out of the equation.
-Calvin: obvious mismatch for any defensive player on the planet
- Best: speed, quickness, and pass catching
-Burelson: legitimate NFL #2, Lions depended on Northcutt and an injured Bryant Johnson last year
-Scheffler/Pettigrew TE combo: how many teams have 2 tight ends as talented as this pair?
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shnikies
Footballguy
As far as tight end duos go:Witten and Bennett in Dallas?Olsen and Clark in Chicago?But that's nitpicking and you only need one top 3 receiver on your offense to keep 8 out of the box and Burleson is no pushover. Obviously, a lot rests in the hands or right arm of Stafford but there are many reasons to have confidence in him going into his second season.
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Pretty piss poor analysis. One, he assumes an injury. OK, that could happen to any RB, but what is his potential. The guy is a stud with a second year QB who struggled his first year. If the Lions can establish a rushing attack, they most definitely will. If Best is healthy, he is a solid RB1 on any team.
Dodds is one of the few to move him that high. Considering there is some health risk, that is about right. It is not hard to move someone up the rankings after the fact. If Best comes out of the gate with three hundred yard games, all the analysts will be claiming they told you so (when in fact they probably had Best rated RB18-25).Dodds is projecting him to be RB10. Is it really that silly?I really hate to come in sipping the haterade, but this is getting out of control!! TWhat kind of numbers are you projecting for Best to where you feel 3rd round is a no brainer? Top 5 Rb? Top 8? At top 12 all he did is live up to his draft spot.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I can't imagine him running for 300 yards more than once this year.Dodds is one of the few to move him that high. Considering there is some health risk, that is about right. It is not hard to move someone up the rankings after the fact. If Best comes out of the gate with three hundred yard games, all the analysts will be claiming they told you so (when in fact they probably had Best rated RB18-25).Dodds is projecting him to be RB10. Is it really that silly?I really hate to come in sipping the haterade
shnikies
Footballguy
Tehehehe. Nice word spinning. On that note, I see him running for 300 yards at least 6 times this year.I can't imagine him running for 300 yards more than once this year.Dodds is one of the few to move him that high. Considering there is some health risk, that is about right. It is not hard to move someone up the rankings after the fact. If Best comes out of the gate with three hundred yard games, all the analysts will be claiming they told you so (when in fact they probably had Best rated RB18-25).Dodds is projecting him to be RB10. Is it really that silly?
Phantom Knight
Footballguy
I believe 3 games with 100 yards each is what was meant here.Edit.... my bad.... missed the tongue hiding in your cheek. :X
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ROBOPUNTER
Footballguy
I'm basing it on me watching them play. But I guess if you want me to cite some objective experts, FO had their line last year rated at 29/22 run/pass. They gave up 43 sacks, which is ungood.
jurrassic
Footballguy
I know it's all subjective but I think Dodds has Best a little too high and Foster a little too low. In this overall top 300, he has Best at 13 and Foster at 20.Tehehehe. Nice word spinning. On that note, I see him running for 300 yards at least 6 times this year.I can't imagine him running for 300 yards more than once this year.Dodds is one of the few to move him that high. Considering there is some health risk, that is about right. It is not hard to move someone up the rankings after the fact. If Best comes out of the gate with three hundred yard games, all the analysts will be claiming they told you so (when in fact they probably had Best rated RB18-25).Dodds is projecting him to be RB10. Is it really that silly?I really hate to come in sipping the haterade, but this is getting out of control!! TWhat kind of numbers are you projecting for Best to where you feel 3rd round is a no brainer? Top 5 Rb? Top 8? At top 12 all he did is live up to his draft spot.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
BEST 
shnikies
Footballguy
I doubt you've spent hours going over Lions game film and analyzing their offensive line's play. I can see you were able to look up stats from last year which can be the result of many factors including having three different starting quarterbacks and an average at best running back. You're obviously an expert on the Lions offensive line though, so I concede.
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shnikies
Footballguy
Where did you find that stat? If it's true, it means they didn't have a running back that could make anyone miss at the second level.
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