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Anthony Borbely
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Left guard Rob Sims is the answer. Don't think adding Sims is some small deal. The Lions have had terrible play from the left guard spot for years. In fact, since they drafted Backus and Raiola in 2001, I cannot think of any left guards that I thought were even an average lineman. Last year on a local broadcast they broke down Backus' pass protection and showed the sacks he gave up to the right defensive end. All but 3 I believe were because the left guard blew his assignment and Backus (correctly) blocked the inside defensive player. The run blocking was just as bad. The line has looked very good so far and Sims has made a major difference. He is not an all pro or anything, but he is a solid and consistent player and that is a far cry from the left guards that have played for the Lions over the last 10 years. I don't expect this line to be great by any stretch, but they have a chance to be a respectable line.
Dexter Manley
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I took Megatron at 2.7 and snagged Best at 4.7 in a 12 team redraft (non-ppr) on Monday night. I made both picks without hesitation. My philosophy for the early rounds of the draft is that you take the BAP and don't worry about guys playing for the same team, having the same bye weeks, etc.
Buddy Ball 2K3
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
Almost all RBs get nicked and either miss practice time or a game or two. The only thing that worries me about Best are the concussions.
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CalBear
Footballguy
Stephen Peterman takes over at RG for Manny Ramirez, and Rob Sims was signed from the Seahawks to play LG. According to FBG:
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Best is almost overvalued now. The hype is out of control.
Temper your expectations folks.
Temper your expectations folks.
I think the talent is real and the situation is very good, so I'm not taking the opposite side of his production, but as with any hype train it all becomes about price and being blinded to risks.Risks include:They actually do have a pretty tough schedule. Pack x2, Min x2, NYJ, NE among others.OL line, while improved is not deep. At all. Just one of those guys goes down and it's a greater than usual impact vs. other teams that have depth.Concussion history is real. The guy plays with great abandon which is both good and bad. See: Peterson, Adrian. Gore, Frank. Jackson, Steven.My personal opinion is that most people think Kevin Smith is just going to ride the pine. He won't. Heck, the Lions even like Maurice Morris in certain 3rd down situations. People are beginning to behave as if he's going to get the same opptys as Ryan Mathews and I don't think that will be the case.You know if Brad Evans is starting to talk about Best then you're gonna have to pay full price or even a premium. I'd much rather take a guy like Jamaal Charles who is now starting to go at a discount (after Best in many mocks) and is the victim of a bunch of anti-hype given Haley's shenanigans with Thomas Jones.
CalBear
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The Lions defense is going to be better; Suh should make a significant impact on the line, and Corey Williams and Kyle Vanden Bosch should help, too. And Stafford is looking promising, which should reduce the number of three-and-outs. (As will the presence of a better RB). I think the Lions as a team are very well positioned to rise from bad to mediocre this year.
JohnnyU
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You be sure to temper your expectations with Mathews.
ImTheScientist
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Fantaholic
Footballguy
Yes, the concussion thing is what scares me considering how serious the NFL takes them now. I suppose if Kevin Smith is healthy then you can hedge the pick with that handcuff. However, with another week of pre-season games coming up and most drafts being held this weekend or next weekend, I just don't see Best being available after the 3rd. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to see him go mid 2nd round in many drafts, and that price it starts getting risky. I think you mentioned earlier that Best was the better pick over Matthews. Personally, I think Matthews is the safer pick.One thing that I can say with certainty is that rookie RB's will once again produce and produce significantly. Letting them slip to far in the draft is a mistake.
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BlackMagic10
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Brady Gaga
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1. Javhid Best......2. Chris Johnson3. Adrian Petersonbicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Mister CIA
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15 carries and 2.5 catches per game seem like easy targets for Best to reach this season. Assuming he pads his yardage with a 2 or 3 "take it to the house" plays, I get 240 carries @ 4.5 yards per (a bit lofty perhaps) and 40 catches @ 8.0 yards per - that's 1400 yards. I consider this mid-point between his floor and ceiling. Throw in 8 TDs, and he's borderline top 10 RB, plus or minus. ... I'm going with +
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Grigs Allmoon
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If you ask my Dad... Javon.How do you pronounce his first name? You know, to avoid insults when I draft him.TIA
Raiderfan32904
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JohnnyU said:
snagged Best at 4.9 last night. Feels like a steal. 
JohnnyU
Footballguy
The announcer in his last game pronounced it "Jay----vid". I pronounce it "Ja-----vidIf you ask my Dad... Javon.How do you pronounce his first name? You know, to avoid insults when I draft him.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
whats that got to do with anything? and I have mathew and best properly rated IMOJohnnyU said:
RenegadeGM
Footballguy
Don't look now but he was on the front of both Yahoo's and CBS's fantasy football front pages today. ADP will continue to rise. Hope you had your drafts already!
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Raiderfan32904
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I remember last year in the 3rd and 4th rounds people were debating Moreno vs Ray Rice.
Well debating Mathews vs Best feels like an eerily similar parallel.
Well debating Mathews vs Best feels like an eerily similar parallel.
Mister CIA
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In the youtube clip from last week's game (posted a page or two up), I gathered it was Jahvid, like javelin.ETA: may have been Denver homers making the pronunciation.The announcer in his last game pronounced it "Jay----vid". I pronounce it "Ja-----vidIf you ask my Dad... Javon.How do you pronounce his first name? You know, to avoid insults when I draft him.TIA
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Grigs Allmoon
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I didn't think this was serious... I thought it was common knowledge that his name was pronounced Ja (as in, jog) - vid (as in video). That's why I threw out my old man's "mispronunciation." He always has a couple players that he just can't seem to remember/pronounce. Unfortunately, this year the mispronunciation was on my voicemail (x2) telling me to draft Javon Best for him. That means I have a full season of "Man, I'm glad I drafted Javon Best." or "Javon Best really screwed my team this year."In the youtube clip from last week's game (posted a page or two up), I gathered it was Jahvid, like javelin.ETA: may have been Denver homers making the pronunciation.The announcer in his last game pronounced it "Jay----vid". I pronounce it "Ja-----vidIf you ask my Dad... Javon.How do you pronounce his first name? You know, to avoid insults when I draft him.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
I wouldn't put too much stock in announcers, especially non-local announcers. Heck, the Bills homer radio announcer pronounced CJ Spiller as Cory Spiller about 4-6 times until he was corrected.The announcer in his last game pronounced it "Jay----vid". I pronounce it "Ja-----vidIf you ask my Dad... Javon.How do you pronounce his first name? You know, to avoid insults when I draft him.
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I miss Van MillerAt this point this situation is pretty simple...if your league is full of sharks and someone takes Best in the early part of the 3rd round...the so be it. Let them have him.
I'm still pretty sure I'll be able to get him in the 4th round in my local leagues. I like this kid alot but if there's one thing I've learned after 15 years of FF it's don't marry yourself to a player to the point you become blind to the flow of your particular draft. If guys are reaching up to get guys like this then there MUST be value somewhere else which will in turn fall to you as a result. If you stick to a BAP approach and do your homework the chances are you're going to walk out of your draft happy.
With all that said...I've been a fan of this kid's talent since he ran for 200 yards on my beloved Miami Hurricanes. First time I saw him play a couple years back his talent jumped off the screen. I have little doubt that barring injury he's going to have a very solid rookie campaign.
I'm still pretty sure I'll be able to get him in the 4th round in my local leagues. I like this kid alot but if there's one thing I've learned after 15 years of FF it's don't marry yourself to a player to the point you become blind to the flow of your particular draft. If guys are reaching up to get guys like this then there MUST be value somewhere else which will in turn fall to you as a result. If you stick to a BAP approach and do your homework the chances are you're going to walk out of your draft happy.
With all that said...I've been a fan of this kid's talent since he ran for 200 yards on my beloved Miami Hurricanes. First time I saw him play a couple years back his talent jumped off the screen. I have little doubt that barring injury he's going to have a very solid rookie campaign.
Fantaholic
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This is kind of what I've been saying in my previous posts. There's really no such thing as a true sleeper anymore with all the mass info that's provided by even the free sites nowadays. Drafting in June or July is the only real opportunity for sleeper picks these days.
Glaven
Footballguy
Obviously.
None_More_Black
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If you look at him at the combine without pads he really is not that small. About the same size as Spiller.Best at combine
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Nero
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The hype train is out of control. I think mid RB2 is this guy's ceiling. I have him projected for 200 carries. I think that will be the most he'll get in any season. Plays small IMO. In his week 1 highlight he was stopped in his tracked easily by the LB. He has scat back written all over him. I still think he can finish as a mid RB2 in PPR, but the hype is definitely out of control.RBM said:
Raiderfan32904
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Not comparing Best to Rice or Mathews to Moreno, per se. Just looking at thier relative ceilings. I don't think Mathews will suck, just really love what I see of Best as he looks to have uberstud talent, and I always take talent over situation.Not trying to stir emotions of Mathews owners, more just throwing flowers on the Best red carpet.
Wyld Stallyns
Footballguy
Like the majority of people in here, I like Best this year - and moreso in dynasty, but those of you who are discrediting Mathews due to your Best love need to reevaluate.
Anthony Borbely
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Why not? That is only 12 carries per game. The difference between 200 carries and 250 is less than 4 carries per game. 250 is about 16 per game and I see no reason to expect less than that now. 16 carries per game is not that many. For a reference, only 4 of the 32 teams averaged less than 24 rushing attempts per game, so Best would get less than half the carries for almost every team if he averaged 12. I cannot see the Lions giving Best less than half the RB carries.The Lions have not been taking him out in any situation and the backup, who is not very good to begin with, is coming off a serious knee injury. When camp first started, I agreed with the 200 carry target, but after seeing him play, I'm totally convinced that the Lions will not limit his touches. He is just too good to keep off the field and will forces defenses to pay attention. Best has probably played 90% of the snaps when he has been in the game. The Lions are not concerned about giving him a heavy workload.
PosterNutBag
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Just trying to understand what you mean here ... Did you mean to say that he has touched the ball 90% of the time when he has been in the game? I mean, obviously he is playing when he is in the game.
Wow...simply wow.I understand the hype is getting a bit out of control but he's far and away the best talent they have at that position. Teams with young QB's tend to run the ball alot....and in addition I think Detroit has put together a nice little D-Line and will be better defensively than most think. Better defensive play also tends to lend itself to more running plays.Either way....200 carries is something like 12 a game. I'll very much take the over here. In addition, in PPR leagues even if your doomsday scenario of 200 comes to fruition the kid has the skill set to easily catch 40-50 passes. That right there is more than enough "touches" to make him an RB2 and worthy of a 3rd-4th round selection.I know the natural ebb and flow of these boards...when a guy gets too hyped the doomsday police come storming in to calm the masses....but like most things in life the truth lies somewhere in the middle here. Best probably won't be a RB1 but he sure as heck has all the makings of an RB2, with upside for more.
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Anthony Borbely
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This. I will add that he did not play in the 4th series in the 2nd preseason game. My point was that he was not being removed at the goal line, short yardage, etc. One more very important point is that Best has been very impressive in pass protection, albeit with a small sample size. But he looks pretty advanced for a rookie in this department.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Please don't say "wow...simply wow" anymore, thanks.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
In re-draft? its pretty obvious. Dont you play dynasty exclusively? I have yet to see a dyansty rookie draft where Best goes before Mathews. So you are predicting a better season and better career for Best?
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Addai's Adidas
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Wow, just wow.
Franknbeans
Footballguy
The reports I have read indicate the coach loves him and he'll try and get him the ball any way he can. That's enough for me. In a fantasy landscape which has fewer and fewer stud running backs, getting him in the 4th round or later is going to be a steal. All of the other stud running backs you have to draft in the first 2 rounds.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Not sure why Best over Mathews in dynasty is that crazy. It may not be the vogue opinion (and I will be labled a homer), but I would rather have Best over Mathews in dynasty. I thought he was the more talented back in college and still stand by that opinion. That is what makes this game fun though...the variance in opinions.
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