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[GoNads]

Good info on turf toe here

The most interesting excerpt:

Grade 1 big toe sprains (turf toe) are manageable and may not prevent a quick return to action in two or three days, if not sooner. Grade 2 sprains may prevent playing time from one day to two weeks, and Grade 3 sprains could keep a person out of action 3-6 weeks; longer if surgery is required.

It also talks about how common the injury is (apparently not reserved for athletes rumored to be injury prone

 

[gary mexico]

Kevin Smith (knee) is unlikely to play Sunday against Minnesota, the Detroit Free Press reports.Spin:Smith continues to contend that he's ready to go nine months after suffering an ACL injury, but Detroit is in no hurry to get him back on the field with Jahvid Best looking good through two weeks. Backups Maurice Morris and Aaron Brown haven't done much of anything, so Smith will likely inherit the No. 2 role upon his return whenever that might be.

I bet Detroit will be in a hurry to get him back if best misses this week...

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Good info on turf toe here

The most interesting excerpt:

Grade 1 big toe sprains (turf toe) are manageable and may not prevent a quick return to action in two or three days, if not sooner. Grade 2 sprains may prevent playing time from one day to two weeks, and Grade 3 sprains could keep a person out of action 3-6 weeks; longer if surgery is required.

It also talks about how common the injury is (apparently not reserved for athletes rumored to be injury prone

I still bet there is a connection between the turf toe & the concussions.

 

[plyka]

Wow, one of the mos ungracious and undeserved "i told you so's" I have ever seen. Please point us to the thread where you said because of his slight frame and history with concussions he'll strain the ligaments in his toe. You are a genius and I want to be sure to pay attention to your posts in the future.

to you bud

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...;#entry12349249 post #92I made these same comments in another thread that was closed a week ago after he was annointed the next Barry Sanders because of his big game in week 2. I was laughed at in that thread and told I was just crying because I was not savvy enough to draft him. Well who's crying now? Nuff said.

Look, the guys who hate Best are the guys who were jealous over Best owners last week because they didn't draft him. They took Jon Stewart or whoever other high rated bust over Best and now wish for Best's failure. It's pretty obvious. Still though, for those who got Best, the future is pretty brigth despite a toe injury. Especially those who got him in dynasty/keeper leagues.

 

[monkeysee]

Good info on turf toe here

The most interesting excerpt:

Grade 1 big toe sprains (turf toe) are manageable and may not prevent a quick return to action in two or three days, if not sooner. Grade 2 sprains may prevent playing time from one day to two weeks, and Grade 3 sprains could keep a person out of action 3-6 weeks; longer if surgery is required.

It also talks about how common the injury is (apparently not reserved for athletes rumored to be injury prone

I still bet there is a connection between the turf toe & the concussions.

I would argue against that. However some players just seem to always get hurt. Good idea to not invest too much in them when it comes to drafting them for your fantasy football team.

 

[unckeyherb]

Good info on turf toe here

The most interesting excerpt:

Grade 1 big toe sprains (turf toe) are manageable and may not prevent a quick return to action in two or three days, if not sooner. Grade 2 sprains may prevent playing time from one day to two weeks, and Grade 3 sprains could keep a person out of action 3-6 weeks; longer if surgery is required.

It also talks about how common the injury is (apparently not reserved for athletes rumored to be injury prone

I still bet there is a connection between the turf toe & the concussions.

I would argue against that. However some players just seem to always get hurt. Good idea to not invest too much in them when it comes to drafting them for your fantasy football team.

Can you explain where the line between getting a typical football injury stops and the label injury-prone occurs? How many injuries does it take? Is there a games-missed amount that needs to occur before the injury prone label hits? Seeing as how it is entirely possible that Best might only end up missing this week's game against Minny and next weeks game, and seeing as how when he IS on the field, his PPG is the highest in the league, are you really implying that it was the right move to skip over him and is he still considered injury prone? Who did you take in his place to avoid his injury bug from getting into your lineup?I am serious. Please let me know what your thoughts are.

 

[monkeysee]

Wow, one of the mos ungracious and undeserved "i told you so's" I have ever seen. Please point us to the thread where you said because of his slight frame and history with concussions he'll strain the ligaments in his toe. You are a genius and I want to be sure to pay attention to your posts in the future.

to you bud

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...;#entry12349249 post #92I made these same comments in another thread that was closed a week ago after he was annointed the next Barry Sanders because of his big game in week 2. I was laughed at in that thread and told I was just crying because I was not savvy enough to draft him. Well who's crying now? Nuff said.

Look, the guys who hate Best are the guys who were jealous over Best owners last week because they didn't draft him. They took Jon Stewart or whoever other high rated bust over Best and now wish for Best's failure. It's pretty obvious. Still though, for those who got Best, the future is pretty brigth despite a toe injury. Especially those who got him in dynasty/keeper leagues.

Look, I don't hate Best or wish him ill will. I just avoid some players come draft day if I think they have bust potential. If you must know my first 10 draft picks were as follows: RB Peterson, WR Austin, QB Romo, TE Finley, WR Nicks, RB Foster,RB Bradshaw, WR Harvin, WR Floyd, and WR Wallace. So my opinions on Best were not made out of jealousy as you claim. My team is 3-0 and I am doing just fine.I did draft Best in one of my dynasty leagues and hope that he recovers and becomes a nice RB2 for my team. Anything more and I will be thrilled. So can we drop this for now? If Best becomes a superstar like many think he will then I will eat crow. Let's stick to injury news in this thread. If you disagree with my opinions then PM me to discuss.

 

[Touchdown There]

Who did you take in his place to avoid his injury bug from getting into your lineup?I am serious. Please let me know what your thoughts are.

Arian Foster

 

[monkeysee]

Good info on turf toe here

The most interesting excerpt:

Grade 1 big toe sprains (turf toe) are manageable and may not prevent a quick return to action in two or three days, if not sooner. Grade 2 sprains may prevent playing time from one day to two weeks, and Grade 3 sprains could keep a person out of action 3-6 weeks; longer if surgery is required.

It also talks about how common the injury is (apparently not reserved for athletes rumored to be injury prone

I still bet there is a connection between the turf toe & the concussions.

I would argue against that. However some players just seem to always get hurt. Good idea to not invest too much in them when it comes to drafting them for your fantasy football team.

Can you explain where the line between getting a typical football injury stops and the label injury-prone occurs? How many injuries does it take? Is there a games-missed amount that needs to occur before the injury prone label hits? Seeing as how it is entirely possible that Best might only end up missing this week's game against Minny and next weeks game, and seeing as how when he IS on the field, his PPG is the highest in the league, are you really implying that it was the right move to skip over him and is he still considered injury prone? Who did you take in his place to avoid his injury bug from getting into your lineup?I am serious. Please let me know what your thoughts are.

I avoided Best for these reasons:1. A history of concussions. The last concussion he had he was out cold for what 6 minutes. Not to mention the back injury that came along with that. Getting those two concussions (Best had a concussion a few weeks earlier in practice) is potentially going to be a serious detriment to the rest of his career.

2. He has a muscle going down from his neck to his leg that really bothers him.

3. Nerve damange in his neck.

4. At Cal he also struggled to stay on the field with a dislocated elbow injury.

5. He is a small back 5 ft 8 and 190 lbs doesn't bode well for his chances to have a healthy NFL career.

I factor in this type of information when drafting

If a guy is emerging from the college game beat up there's a chance he won't last too long when he's getting beat up by grown men in the NFL.

Like I mentioned I took a chance on him in one of my dynasty leagues and regret it now. I avoided him in all my redraft leagues because I wanted to see he if could stay healthy for a season in the NFL. If he does then of course I will consider drafting him in future year redraft leagues.

Also you mention his his PPG (when playing is the highest in the league). True but the sample size is small. Pretty much 1 game. I think the week 1 numbers are misleading because it was basically two short yardage TDs he scored on. Regardless, time will tell.

 

[jbz]

I don't see how all that injury history would suggest he would have toe problems in the NFL. It's coincidence at this point, but to say you saw this injury coming based on his concussion/neck issues or size is kind of a stretch IMO.

 

[nysportsfan]

I avoided Best for these reasons:

1. A history of concussions. The last concussion he had he was out cold for what 6 minutes. Not to mention the back injury that came along with that. Getting those two concussions (Best had a concussion a few weeks earlier in practice) is potentially going to be a serious detriment to the rest of his career.

2. He has a muscle going down from his neck to his leg that really bothers him.

3. Nerve damange in his neck.

4. At Cal he also struggled to stay on the field with a dislocated elbow injury.

5. He is a small back 5 ft 8 and 190 lbs doesn't bode well for his chances to have a healthy NFL career.

I factor in this type of information when drafting

If a guy is emerging from the college game beat up there's a chance he won't last too long when he's getting beat up by grown men in the NFL.

Like I mentioned I took a chance on him in one of my dynasty leagues and regret it now. I avoided him in all my redraft leagues because I wanted to see he if could stay healthy for a season in the NFL. If he does then of course I will consider drafting him in future year redraft leagues.

Also you mention his his PPG (when playing is the highest in the league). True but the sample size is small. Pretty much 1 game. I think the week 1 numbers are misleading because it was basically two short yardage TDs he scored on. Regardless, time will tell.

How many times will you post this? You already posted almost this exact thing in post #55

Now I won't argue this any further in this thread as people are looking for injury info here. If you feel further need to discuss it, just PM me and I will be happy to discuss further.

You then posted the above, and then go on to post the same thing. We get the point, please stop.

 

[switz]

Wow, one of the mos ungracious and undeserved "i told you so's" I have ever seen. Please point us to the thread where you said because of his slight frame and history with concussions he'll strain the ligaments in his toe. You are a genius and I want to be sure to pay attention to your posts in the future.

to you bud

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...;#entry12349249 post #92I made these same comments in another thread that was closed a week ago after he was annointed the next Barry Sanders because of his big game in week 2. I was laughed at in that thread and told I was just crying because I was not savvy enough to draft him. Well who's crying now? Nuff said.

Look, the guys who hate Best are the guys who were jealous over Best owners last week because they didn't draft him. They took Jon Stewart or whoever other high rated bust over Best and now wish for Best's failure. It's pretty obvious. Still though, for those who got Best, the future is pretty brigth despite a toe injury. Especially those who got him in dynasty/keeper leagues.

weak. I have zero fantasy teams this year. So my opinion of Best is not based on my roster at all. In fact, in most cases I expect that opinions drive rosters, not the other way around. Most ppl who don't have Best didn't think highly of him in the first place, which is why they didn't draft him.Best is not the next Chris Johnson, not even the next Jamaal Charles. And that anyone ever compared him to Barry Sanders is just ludicrous. He may end up having an ok career, but the hype on him is way too much right now. It's three games in, he hasn't run well yet, and looks more like a COP/third down RB than an everydown back. He doesn't suck, but he's not the next great RB - there is a middle ground.

Let's all just get back to reality on Best.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I don't see how all that injury history would suggest he would have toe problems in the NFL. It's coincidence at this point, but to say you saw this injury coming based on his concussion/neck issues or size is kind of a stretch IMO.

Yes, I was just kidding on the toe/brain injury connection.

 

[monkeysee]

I don't see how all that injury history would suggest he would have toe problems in the NFL. It's coincidence at this point, but to say you saw this injury coming based on his concussion/neck issues or size is kind of a stretch IMO.

I never said I saw the toe injury coming. I avoided Best because I feared any injury. I thought he was a high risk pick with bust potential is all. The only reason I made an issue of it today is because I was harrassed in other threads unmercifuly when I made my opinion on Best known. Maybe it was a bad idea to have such a negative opinion on a player that had just had an amazing week 2. Who knows, but I regret taking it so personaly now.

 

[gary mexico]

I don't see how all that injury history would suggest he would have toe problems in the NFL. It's coincidence at this point, but to say you saw this injury coming based on his concussion/neck issues or size is kind of a stretch IMO.

I never said I saw the toe injury coming. I avoided Best because I feared any injury.

Thats why i always draft the backups, That way i dont fear injury, i root for them.

 

[unckeyherb]

I don't see how all that injury history would suggest he would have toe problems in the NFL. It's coincidence at this point, but to say you saw this injury coming based on his concussion/neck issues or size is kind of a stretch IMO.

I never said I saw the toe injury coming. I avoided Best because I feared any injury. I thought he was a high risk pick with bust potential is all. The only reason I made an issue of it today is because I was harrassed in other threads unmercifuly when I made my opinion on Best known. Maybe it was a bad idea to have such a negative opinion on a player that had just had an amazing week 2. Who knows, but I regret taking it so personaly now.

I guess thats the point. You say you avoided Best because you feared any injury, then when he randomly gets turf toe, (nothing in his past points to this being an affliction he would have to deal with) you jumped up and down claiming 'I told you so' about him being injury prone. Thats like telling someone not to go for a walk because they might get mugged, then telling them I told you so when they get hit by a car. I agree with Switz about the Sanders stuff, thats ridic, but honestly I have been in most of these recent Best-locked threads and don't remember anyone stating that (though maybe they did). I think anyone that says he has 'a ton of bust potential' or 'COP back written all over him' are equally as wrong as those saying he is the next Chris Johnson. Its all speculative. I look at him and see a beast others see crap.I suspect there will be a lot more back and forth this week if he does play. (though I hope he rests)

 

[Happy Ragnarok]

I guess thats the point. You say you avoided Best because you feared any injury, then when he randomly gets turf toe, (nothing in his past points to this being an affliction he would have to deal with) you jumped up and down claiming 'I told you so' about him being injury prone. Thats like telling someone not to go for a walk because they might get mugged, then telling them I told you so when they get hit by a car.

I think it's more like telling somebody they ought to stay out of a high crime area if they'd like to avoid being a victim of crime, then citing lots of data on murders, muggings, and rapes to back up your case. If the person goes there anyway, and is a victim of assault, that person is out of his mind if he tells the first guy, "you were wrong."When you go to high crime areas, your odds of being a victim of crime go up. You don't need to be able to predict the specific crime for the statistics to be meaningful.When you draft a guy with an injury history like a laundry list, your odds of being a victim of random injury go up. Some people's bodies just don't hold up well to violence. You're a fool if you ignore it.I was a fool, too. I ignored it, and drafted the guy. Lesson learned, I guess.

 

[Mister CIA]

I don't see how all that injury history would suggest he would have toe problems in the NFL. It's coincidence at this point, but to say you saw this injury coming based on his concussion/neck issues or size is kind of a stretch IMO.

I never said I saw the toe injury coming. I avoided Best because I feared any injury. I thought he was a high risk pick with bust potential is all. The only reason I made an issue of it today is because I was harrassed in other threads unmercifuly when I made my opinion on Best known. Maybe it was a bad idea to have such a negative opinion on a player that had just had an amazing week 2. Who knows, but I regret taking it so personaly now.

Sensitive. Notebook updated.

 

[Clifford]

I don't see how all that injury history would suggest he would have toe problems in the NFL. It's coincidence at this point, but to say you saw this injury coming based on his concussion/neck issues or size is kind of a stretch IMO.

I never said I saw the toe injury coming. I avoided Best because I feared any injury. I thought he was a high risk pick with bust potential is all. The only reason I made an issue of it today is because I was harrassed in other threads unmercifuly when I made my opinion on Best known. Maybe it was a bad idea to have such a negative opinion on a player that had just had an amazing week 2. Who knows, but I regret taking it so personaly now.

I guess thats the point. You say you avoided Best because you feared any injury, then when he randomly gets turf toe, (nothing in his past points to this being an affliction he would have to deal with) you jumped up and down claiming 'I told you so' about him being injury prone. Thats like telling someone not to go for a walk because they might get mugged, then telling them I told you so when they get hit by a car. I agree with Switz about the Sanders stuff, thats ridic, but honestly I have been in most of these recent Best-locked threads and don't remember anyone stating that (though maybe they did). I think anyone that says he has 'a ton of bust potential' or 'COP back written all over him' are equally as wrong as those saying he is the next Chris Johnson. Its all speculative. I look at him and see a beast others see crap.

I suspect there will be a lot more back and forth this week if he does play. (though I hope he rests)

This is the appropriate analogy. Had Best gotten a concussion or other injury that could be attributed to his history, then there would be some vindication, but he didn't so there isn't. Hopefully this is the end.FWIW, the ignore button does work (except in quotes)

 

[Tony Jabroni]

Exhibit A as to why the Shark Pool has gone to CRAP. Thank you for ruining a good thing.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Exhibit A as to why the Shark Pool has gone to CRAP. Thank you for ruining a good thing.

I don't disagree that the kind of catfighting back and forth we saw in this thread ruins good discussion.Although this isn't going to change by people just sitting back and saying the shark pool has gone to crap. You guys are going to have to help us here. Please report threads you see getting off track. And jump into threads yourself and ask that they please get back on track or even better, contribute something positive to the thread.Thanks.J

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

Wow, one of the mos ungracious and undeserved "i told you so's" I have ever seen. Please point us to the thread where you said because of his slight frame and history with concussions he'll strain the ligaments in his toe. You are a genius and I want to be sure to pay attention to your posts in the future.

to you bud

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...;#entry12349249 post #92I made these same comments in another thread that was closed a week ago after he was annointed the next Barry Sanders because of his big game in week 2. I was laughed at in that thread and told I was just crying because I was not savvy enough to draft him. Well who's crying now? Nuff said.

Look, the guys who hate Best are the guys who were jealous over Best owners last week because they didn't draft him. They took Jon Stewart or whoever other high rated bust over Best and now wish for Best's failure. It's pretty obvious. Still though, for those who got Best, the future is pretty brigth despite a toe injury. Especially those who got him in dynasty/keeper leagues.

weak. I have zero fantasy teams this year. So my opinion of Best is not based on my roster at all. In fact, in most cases I expect that opinions drive rosters, not the other way around. Most ppl who don't have Best didn't think highly of him in the first place, which is why they didn't draft him.Best is not the next Chris Johnson, not even the next Jamaal Charles. And that anyone ever compared him to Barry Sanders is just ludicrous. He may end up having an ok career, but the hype on him is way too much right now. It's three games in, he hasn't run well yet, and looks more like a COP/third down RB than an everydown back. He doesn't suck, but he's not the next great RB - there is a middle ground.

Let's all just get back to reality on Best.

When healthy he's better then both imo. Toe injury can happen once he's healthy he will be back to #1 just like he was after 2 weeks this season.

No Fantasy teams but still come here to debate fantasy football? Get outside much?

 

[nysportsfan]

Wow, one of the mos ungracious and undeserved "i told you so's" I have ever seen. Please point us to the thread where you said because of his slight frame and history with concussions he'll strain the ligaments in his toe. You are a genius and I want to be sure to pay attention to your posts in the future.

to you bud

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...;#entry12349249 post #92I made these same comments in another thread that was closed a week ago after he was annointed the next Barry Sanders because of his big game in week 2. I was laughed at in that thread and told I was just crying because I was not savvy enough to draft him. Well who's crying now? Nuff said.

Look, the guys who hate Best are the guys who were jealous over Best owners last week because they didn't draft him. They took Jon Stewart or whoever other high rated bust over Best and now wish for Best's failure. It's pretty obvious. Still though, for those who got Best, the future is pretty brigth despite a toe injury. Especially those who got him in dynasty/keeper leagues.

weak. I have zero fantasy teams this year. So my opinion of Best is not based on my roster at all. In fact, in most cases I expect that opinions drive rosters, not the other way around. Most ppl who don't have Best didn't think highly of him in the first place, which is why they didn't draft him.Best is not the next Chris Johnson, not even the next Jamaal Charles. And that anyone ever compared him to Barry Sanders is just ludicrous. He may end up having an ok career, but the hype on him is way too much right now. It's three games in, he hasn't run well yet, and looks more like a COP/third down RB than an everydown back. He doesn't suck, but he's not the next great RB - there is a middle ground.

Let's all just get back to reality on Best.

When healthy he's better then both imo. Toe injury can happen once he's healthy he will be back to #1 just like he was after 2 weeks this season.

No Fantasy teams but still come here to debate fantasy football? Get outside much?

He's better than CJ? I like the kid, but really?I'm just going to wait until late rin the week, then make a decision. If I had to make that decision right now, I'd rather avoid him this week and play a healthy option.

 

[plyka]

Wow, one of the mos ungracious and undeserved "i told you so's" I have ever seen. Please point us to the thread where you said because of his slight frame and history with concussions he'll strain the ligaments in his toe. You are a genius and I want to be sure to pay attention to your posts in the future.

to you bud

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...;#entry12349249 post #92I made these same comments in another thread that was closed a week ago after he was annointed the next Barry Sanders because of his big game in week 2. I was laughed at in that thread and told I was just crying because I was not savvy enough to draft him. Well who's crying now? Nuff said.

Look, the guys who hate Best are the guys who were jealous over Best owners last week because they didn't draft him. They took Jon Stewart or whoever other high rated bust over Best and now wish for Best's failure. It's pretty obvious. Still though, for those who got Best, the future is pretty brigth despite a toe injury. Especially those who got him in dynasty/keeper leagues.

Look, I don't hate Best or wish him ill will. I just avoid some players come draft day if I think they have bust potential. If you must know my first 10 draft picks were as follows: RB Peterson, WR Austin, QB Romo, TE Finley, WR Nicks, RB Foster,RB Bradshaw, WR Harvin, WR Floyd, and WR Wallace. So my opinions on Best were not made out of jealousy as you claim. My team is 3-0 and I am doing just fine.I did draft Best in one of my dynasty leagues and hope that he recovers and becomes a nice RB2 for my team. Anything more and I will be thrilled. So can we drop this for now? If Best becomes a superstar like many think he will then I will eat crow. Let's stick to injury news in this thread. If you disagree with my opinions then PM me to discuss.

Maybe...i just look at the facts. The facts in this thread are that you have posted at least 10+ times claiming how right you were that Best is a bust. But the guy is one of the highest fantasy point producers in football today! And you "claim victory" (your "victory" it seems equals Best's failure) because he missed the last 2 quarters of the last game and is now listed as "day to day?" There are two issues, one is that a RB being day to day while also having the most, or one of the most, points in fantasy football is not really a "victory" for someone who said he would be a bust, especially taking into consideration that Best was drafted in the 3rd, 4th or even 5th round. The 2nd is how much effort you put into posting on this thread, the excitement over Best's potential failure, etc. Give it a break. We know you hate Best (again, based on the sheer effort and number of anti-best posts in this thread), and your "victory" for your Best bust call is premature to say the least. So, why not give it a rest until more info is obtained? Not to mention, rooting for someone to get injured is just wrong.

 

[expobear]

Wow, one of the mos ungracious and undeserved "i told you so's" I have ever seen. Please point us to the thread where you said because of his slight frame and history with concussions he'll strain the ligaments in his toe. You are a genius and I want to be sure to pay attention to your posts in the future.

to you bud

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...;#entry12349249 post #92I made these same comments in another thread that was closed a week ago after he was annointed the next Barry Sanders because of his big game in week 2. I was laughed at in that thread and told I was just crying because I was not savvy enough to draft him. Well who's crying now? Nuff said.

Look, the guys who hate Best are the guys who were jealous over Best owners last week because they didn't draft him. They took Jon Stewart or whoever other high rated bust over Best and now wish for Best's failure. It's pretty obvious. Still though, for those who got Best, the future is pretty brigth despite a toe injury. Especially those who got him in dynasty/keeper leagues.

weak. I have zero fantasy teams this year. So my opinion of Best is not based on my roster at all. In fact, in most cases I expect that opinions drive rosters, not the other way around. Most ppl who don't have Best didn't think highly of him in the first place, which is why they didn't draft him.Best is not the next Chris Johnson, not even the next Jamaal Charles. And that anyone ever compared him to Barry Sanders is just ludicrous. He may end up having an ok career, but the hype on him is way too much right now. It's three games in, he hasn't run well yet, and looks more like a COP/third down RB than an everydown back. He doesn't suck, but he's not the next great RB - there is a middle ground.

Let's all just get back to reality on Best.

You give Best an offensive line to run behind and he's a top 5 back in the NFL. He's not the next Chris Johnson or Jamaal Charles but he will make a name for himself.....as long as he doesn't get killed first in Detroit.

 

[RBM]

Wow this thread is AWFUL. Is there any info on the injury?

 

[Mister CIA]

that turd pm'd me "nuff said" because i asked for evidence of smaller backs getting injured more often. for some reason questioning that conventional wisdom even though ive watched tons of guys like michael turner and brandon jacobs constantly ride the injury list gets me a gloating pm. lol.

haha. I knew I was not the only one who received "I told you so" pm.

 

[plyka]

Wow, one of the mos ungracious and undeserved "i told you so's" I have ever seen. Please point us to the thread where you said because of his slight frame and history with concussions he'll strain the ligaments in his toe. You are a genius and I want to be sure to pay attention to your posts in the future.

to you bud

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...;#entry12349249 post #92I made these same comments in another thread that was closed a week ago after he was annointed the next Barry Sanders because of his big game in week 2. I was laughed at in that thread and told I was just crying because I was not savvy enough to draft him. Well who's crying now? Nuff said.

Look, the guys who hate Best are the guys who were jealous over Best owners last week because they didn't draft him. They took Jon Stewart or whoever other high rated bust over Best and now wish for Best's failure. It's pretty obvious. Still though, for those who got Best, the future is pretty brigth despite a toe injury. Especially those who got him in dynasty/keeper leagues.

weak. I have zero fantasy teams this year. So my opinion of Best is not based on my roster at all. In fact, in most cases I expect that opinions drive rosters, not the other way around. Most ppl who don't have Best didn't think highly of him in the first place, which is why they didn't draft him.Best is not the next Chris Johnson, not even the next Jamaal Charles. And that anyone ever compared him to Barry Sanders is just ludicrous. He may end up having an ok career, but the hype on him is way too much right now. It's three games in, he hasn't run well yet, and looks more like a COP/third down RB than an everydown back. He doesn't suck, but he's not the next great RB - there is a middle ground.

Let's all just get back to reality on Best.

The middle ground as you say would be to wait and see. You claim he has only run 3 games and yet you are already making a determination that he is a COP/third down RB, despite the fact that he has been one of the highest scorers in fantasy football. Who is the one that is overstepping? You're ready to claim he is a bust based on what exactly? The 5 touchdowns? Or is it the 300+ yards from scrimmage in 2.5 games?

 

[HoTnickZ]

Anyone trade Best recently, or better to hang on for now?

 

[videoguy505]

Wow this thread is AWFUL. Is there any info on the injury?

That's not why we're here.

 

[ericttspikes]

Best had a toe issue before last season. I don't think he missed any games because of it.

This article highlights some of the injury issues Best had during his Cal days, including a surgery on his left foot that he thinks contributed to his toe problem last year. The issue last year was called a "bone bruise".

http://articles.sfgate.com/2009-08-21/spor...oe-jeff-tedford

 

[Mene]

Wow this thread is AWFUL. Is there any info on the injury?

Updating a previous item, Jahvid Best has reportedly been diagnosed with a Grade 2 case of turf toe.ESPN's Adam Schefter confirms an NFL Network report that Best is "day to day." According to Schefter, Best plans to play at Green Bay in Week 4, "unless pain is unbearable." Though the injury isn't expected to be long term, turf toe has a tendency to linger and can be aggravated. Owners will want to keep close tabs on Best's practice reports before using him as an RB1/2.

Sep. 27 - 2:33 pm et

Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter

Per Rotoworld.

http://www.freep.com/article/20100927/SPOR...-through-injury

That is also a story from one of the local paper's websites saying plan is to hopefully play through it. Schwartz mentions that he had a toe issue after week 1, and had that great game in week 2... so there is hope.

 

[switz]

Wow, one of the mos ungracious and undeserved "i told you so's" I have ever seen. Please point us to the thread where you said because of his slight frame and history with concussions he'll strain the ligaments in his toe. You are a genius and I want to be sure to pay attention to your posts in the future.

to you bud

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...;#entry12349249 post #92I made these same comments in another thread that was closed a week ago after he was annointed the next Barry Sanders because of his big game in week 2. I was laughed at in that thread and told I was just crying because I was not savvy enough to draft him. Well who's crying now? Nuff said.

Look, the guys who hate Best are the guys who were jealous over Best owners last week because they didn't draft him. They took Jon Stewart or whoever other high rated bust over Best and now wish for Best's failure. It's pretty obvious. Still though, for those who got Best, the future is pretty brigth despite a toe injury. Especially those who got him in dynasty/keeper leagues.

weak. I have zero fantasy teams this year. So my opinion of Best is not based on my roster at all. In fact, in most cases I expect that opinions drive rosters, not the other way around. Most ppl who don't have Best didn't think highly of him in the first place, which is why they didn't draft him.Best is not the next Chris Johnson, not even the next Jamaal Charles. And that anyone ever compared him to Barry Sanders is just ludicrous. He may end up having an ok career, but the hype on him is way too much right now. It's three games in, he hasn't run well yet, and looks more like a COP/third down RB than an everydown back. He doesn't suck, but he's not the next great RB - there is a middle ground.

Let's all just get back to reality on Best.

The middle ground as you say would be to wait and see. You claim he has only run 3 games and yet you are already making a determination that he is a COP/third down RB, despite the fact that he has been one of the highest scorers in fantasy football. Who is the one that is overstepping? You're ready to claim he is a bust based on what exactly? The 5 touchdowns? Or is it the 300+ yards from scrimmage in 2.5 games?

try reading again what I wrote. I didn't say what you accuse me of saying.

 

[Thumper]

Good info on turf toe here

The most interesting excerpt:

Grade 1 big toe sprains (turf toe) are manageable and may not prevent a quick return to action in two or three days, if not sooner. Grade 2 sprains may prevent playing time from one day to two weeks, and Grade 3 sprains could keep a person out of action 3-6 weeks; longer if surgery is required.

It also talks about how common the injury is (apparently not reserved for athletes rumored to be injury prone

I can tell you from experiance that a grade 2 diagnosis is not an overnight fix. In my case it was extremely painful and took a few weeks to get better. Granted, I didn't have the type of medical attention that Best is going to get, but I wouldn't count on seeing him this coming week.

If Best comes back after only a few days he is a better man than I. Best owners should pick up Maurice Morris for this weeks game.

 

[Addai's Adidas]

Good info on turf toe here

The most interesting excerpt:

Grade 1 big toe sprains (turf toe) are manageable and may not prevent a quick return to action in two or three days, if not sooner. Grade 2 sprains may prevent playing time from one day to two weeks, and Grade 3 sprains could keep a person out of action 3-6 weeks; longer if surgery is required.

It also talks about how common the injury is (apparently not reserved for athletes rumored to be injury prone

I can tell you from experiance that a grade 2 diagnosis is not an overnight fix. In my case it was extremely painful and took a few weeks to get better. Granted, I didn't have the type of medical attention that Best is going to get, but I wouldn't count on seeing him this coming week.

If Best comes back after only a few days he is a better man than I. Best owners should pick up Maurice Morris for this weeks game.

He's a rookie who has played 3 games as a pro. Let him sit as long as needed. The franchise is 2-33 in the last three seasons. Get him healthy.And those owners looking to pick up Maurice Morris, don't expect more than 30yds on the ground and 10 through the air. Best didn't have those gaudy numbers because of the O line play.

 

[Thumper]

Good info on turf toe here

The most interesting excerpt:

Grade 1 big toe sprains (turf toe) are manageable and may not prevent a quick return to action in two or three days, if not sooner. Grade 2 sprains may prevent playing time from one day to two weeks, and Grade 3 sprains could keep a person out of action 3-6 weeks; longer if surgery is required.

It also talks about how common the injury is (apparently not reserved for athletes rumored to be injury prone

I can tell you from experiance that a grade 2 diagnosis is not an overnight fix. In my case it was extremely painful and took a few weeks to get better. Granted, I didn't have the type of medical attention that Best is going to get, but I wouldn't count on seeing him this coming week.

If Best comes back after only a few days he is a better man than I. Best owners should pick up Maurice Morris for this weeks game.

He's a rookie who has played 3 games as a pro. Let him sit as long as needed. The franchise is 2-33 in the last three seasons. Get him healthy.And those owners looking to pick up Maurice Morris, don't expect more than 30yds on the ground and 10 through the air. Best didn't have those gaudy numbers because of the O line play.

I agree on all accounts. As a J.Best owner I would prefer to see him take a week or two off and come back at 100% than rush back for no reason. The Lions are a young team that is getting better, but they aren't Superbowl bound this season.

 

[gary mexico]

Good info on turf toe here

The most interesting excerpt:

Grade 1 big toe sprains (turf toe) are manageable and may not prevent a quick return to action in two or three days, if not sooner. Grade 2 sprains may prevent playing time from one day to two weeks, and Grade 3 sprains could keep a person out of action 3-6 weeks; longer if surgery is required.

It also talks about how common the injury is (apparently not reserved for athletes rumored to be injury prone

I can tell you from experiance that a grade 2 diagnosis is not an overnight fix. In my case it was extremely painful and took a few weeks to get better. Granted, I didn't have the type of medical attention that Best is going to get, but I wouldn't count on seeing him this coming week.

If Best comes back after only a few days he is a better man than I. Best owners should pick up Maurice Morris for this weeks game.

I think they should go with Kevin smith instead.

 

[Louisville Slugger]

Good info on turf toe here

The most interesting excerpt:

Grade 1 big toe sprains (turf toe) are manageable and may not prevent a quick return to action in two or three days, if not sooner. Grade 2 sprains may prevent playing time from one day to two weeks, and Grade 3 sprains could keep a person out of action 3-6 weeks; longer if surgery is required.

It also talks about how common the injury is (apparently not reserved for athletes rumored to be injury prone

I can tell you from experiance that a grade 2 diagnosis is not an overnight fix. In my case it was extremely painful and took a few weeks to get better. Granted, I didn't have the type of medical attention that Best is going to get, but I wouldn't count on seeing him this coming week.

If Best comes back after only a few days he is a better man than I. Best owners should pick up Maurice Morris for this weeks game.

I think they should go with Kevin smith instead.

Can't see them going with Smith this week. Morris would be the guy if Best can't go.

 

[cvnpoka]

Best had a toe issue before last season. I don't think he missed any games because of it.

This article highlights some of the injury issues Best had during his Cal days, including a surgery on his left foot that he thinks contributed to his toe problem last year. The issue last year was called a "bone bruise".

http://articles.sfgate.com/2009-08-21/spor...oe-jeff-tedford

ty for this link

 

[Louisville Slugger]

Best had a toe issue before last season. I don't think he missed any games because of it.

This article highlights some of the injury issues Best had during his Cal days, including a surgery on his left foot that he thinks contributed to his toe problem last year. The issue last year was called a "bone bruise".

http://articles.sfgate.com/2009-08-21/spor...oe-jeff-tedford

ty for this link

You can't compare that injury to this one. Who knows how badly he is or isn't hurt right now?

 

[thatguythere]

Jahvid Best's toe injury is not serious, and he hopes to play in Week 4, according to NFL.com's Jason La Canfora.

Whew. Best couldn't put any weight on his foot after Sunday's game, and he reportedly was concerned that he had sprained ligaments, but La Canfora says he's considered only day-to-day. The Lions could play it safe and hold him out in Week 4, but the good news is this doesn't look to be a long-term issue.

Source: Jason La Canfora on Twitter

 

[Louisville Slugger]

Jahvid Best's toe injury is not serious, and he hopes to play in Week 4, according to NFL.com's Jason La Canfora.Whew. Best couldn't put any weight on his foot after Sunday's game, and he reportedly was concerned that he had sprained ligaments, but La Canfora says he's considered only day-to-day. The Lions could play it safe and hold him out in Week 4, but the good news is this doesn't look to be a long-term issue.Source: Jason La Canfora on Twitter

I hope he is a go, but lets wait to see if he practices this week.

 

[gethugefast1]

Don't know who "Source: Jason La Canfora on Twitter" is, but this is from Coach Schwartz...

Sept. 26, 2010 5:42 p.m. - Coach Jim Schwartz said RB Jahvid Best aggravated a toe injury but did make it sound as if the injury was serious. Best finished the game with 26 yards on seven carries.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

What happened to the What happened to Jahvid Best thread?

A sprained toe really validates your pre-season prediction about Best not being productive this year. You definitely said he's going to be amazing and put of 40+ fantasy points and then injure his toe. You're a genius.For the people are aren't dolts like ROBOPUNTER, there's a silver lining. Of course you'd rather him be healthy but my guess would be that they're going to keep Best sidelined until after their week 7 bye. Toe injuries linger because you can manage the pain enough to play but by playing you also won't get it healed. If he stays off of it, I would guess a month plus would be enough to get him close to 100%. Rookies, sometimes, hit a wall around week 13 because of their usual 12 -14 game schedule in college but Best will have a 5 week break if he's out the time I predicted which should help him avoid slowing down late in the season. Hopefully, you drafted a team that will be able to support his absence. Just remember there are worse injuries and most of all you can't predict them, roll with the punches.

Stop stalking me.

Pretty easy to find you since you only post in Jahvid Best threads.

a) Incorrectb) You still can't tear yourself away from quoting mec) I'm smarter than you, and you are mad about it

lol borderline personality disorder.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Don't know who "Source: Jason La Canfora on Twitter" is, but this is from Coach Schwartz...Sept. 26, 2010 5:42 p.m. - Coach Jim Schwartz said RB Jahvid Best aggravated a toe injury but did make it sound as if the injury was serious. Best finished the game with 26 yards on seven carries.

really? Odd to think that you wouldn't know one of espn's main nfl analysts...

 

[basher]

Good info on turf toe here

The most interesting excerpt:

Grade 1 big toe sprains (turf toe) are manageable and may not prevent a quick return to action in two or three days, if not sooner. Grade 2 sprains may prevent playing time from one day to two weeks, and Grade 3 sprains could keep a person out of action 3-6 weeks; longer if surgery is required.

It also talks about how common the injury is (apparently not reserved for athletes rumored to be injury prone

I still bet there is a connection between the turf toe & the concussions.

I would argue against that. However some players just seem to always get hurt. Good idea to not invest too much in them when it comes to drafting them for your fantasy football team.

Can you explain where the line between getting a typical football injury stops and the label injury-prone occurs? How many injuries does it take? Is there a games-missed amount that needs to occur before the injury prone label hits? Seeing as how it is entirely possible that Best might only end up missing this week's game against Minny and next weeks game, and seeing as how when he IS on the field, his PPG is the highest in the league, are you really implying that it was the right move to skip over him and is he still considered injury prone? Who did you take in his place to avoid his injury bug from getting into your lineup?I am serious. Please let me know what your thoughts are.

I don't understand why people are getting so worked up when it is said that he is injury prone. It doesn't mean he has bad knees or ankles, it means he gets injured fairly often. The fact of the matter is he tends to get hurt. Bob Sanders is a GREAT football player ... but he tends to get hurt.

 

[ThePittbully]

JBest hurt

RGrant hurt

RRice hurt

KMoreno hurt

JHarrison hurt

MTurner hurt

SJackson hurt

MBush hurt

KFaulk hurt

FTaylor hurt

FJackson hurt

MJDrew hurt

RBush hurt

PThomas hurt

BWells hurt

RMathews hurt

I dont think Ive ever had so many starters hurt at one time

 

[thatguythere]

Don't know who "Source: Jason La Canfora on Twitter" is, but this is from Coach Schwartz...Sept. 26, 2010 5:42 p.m. - Coach Jim Schwartz said RB Jahvid Best aggravated a toe injury but did make it sound as if the injury was serious. Best finished the game with 26 yards on seven carries.

He works for the NFL network, and NFL.com.

 

[solorca]

Don't know who "Source: Jason La Canfora on Twitter" is, but this is from Coach Schwartz...Sept. 26, 2010 5:42 p.m. - Coach Jim Schwartz said RB Jahvid Best aggravated a toe injury but did make it sound as if the injury was serious. Best finished the game with 26 yards on seven carries.

Also of note, this looks like a typo. The wording suggests that he intended to say "didn't make it sound..." instead of did. The word did doesn't fit properly in that sentence, especially if it's written bya someone who is a journalist.

 

[Da Guru]

The rap on Best when the Lions drafted him was that he was injury prone and would have trouble with the NFL grind. Best lasted a little more than two games and now he will miss a handful and may me limited all year. There two #1 picks last year Stafford and Pettigrew went down with season ending injuries in their rookie years. Now Stafford is out again along with Best and Nate Burleson.

The Lions do seem to be snakebit.