Jahvid Best (1 Viewer)

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

If i'm completely wrong, as you say over and over again. Then why would a player that gets multiple concussions(troy aikman, steve young, hunter hillenmeyer, etc) have to retire then?

If you fully recover from one concussion, you are no more likely to get another than you had been previously. That has been demonstrated, scientifically.I believe, however, that some people might be more susceptible to concussions than others (just as some people are more prone to get migraines). To my knowledge, this has not been scientifically proven, it is just my opinion. If I'm right, however, that might explain why guys like Troy Aikman sustained so many concussions.

As to why sufferers of multiple concussions would "have" to retire; that's a personal choice each must make. It has been suggested that multiple concussions can lead to brain damage, so each individual must weigh whether he wants to risk his brain & quality of life by risking future concussions (and regardless of whether you believe 1 concussion makes it more likely to get another or not, I think we can all agree that ALL football players are at risk of sustaining concussions).

I would love to read this study(not being a *&&$&%*, i'm interested in this stuff).I find it hard to believe that they can study concussions and have a data supported conclusion that NO concussion leads to another one. But later they can't quite prove sure if some are more prone than others. Also they can't quite prove if they lead to brain damage. See my point?

 

[Hank Mardukas]

If i'm completely wrong, as you say over and over again. Then why would a player that gets multiple concussions(troy aikman, steve young, hunter hillenmeyer, etc) have to retire then?

If you fully recover from one concussion, you are no more likely to get another than you had been previously. That has been demonstrated, scientifically.I believe, however, that some people might be more susceptible to concussions than others (just as some people are more prone to get migraines). To my knowledge, this has not been scientifically proven, it is just my opinion. If I'm right, however, that might explain why guys like Troy Aikman sustained so many concussions.

As to why sufferers of multiple concussions would "have" to retire; that's a personal choice each must make. It has been suggested proven that multiple concussions can lead to brain damage, so each individual must weigh whether he wants to risk his brain & quality of life by risking future concussions (and regardless of whether you believe 1 concussion makes it more likely to get another or not, I think we can all agree that ALL football players are at risk of sustaining concussions).

fixed.

 

[cobalt_27]

1) I just googled it and that's the first one I looked at.

2) See Troy Aikman, Steve Young, Austin Collie, and Jahvid Best. I'd love some evidence against it. Until then I will go by the research articles/doctors/and history of NFL players as proof.

First of all, I sincerely doubt you can find anything in the literature that has established that 1 concussion predisposes you to another (unless it's an unresolved concussion). Can you rule out the possibility that they are simply predisposed to having concussions in the first place?Until then, I'll hinge my position on what the research says, in addition to the expertise of Robert Stern (BU Medical Center) who is one of the world's leading experts in concussion research and who, oh by the way, is one of the leading figureheads in generating research with the NFL players on concussion (and chronic traumatic encephalopathy). I happened to attend a conference just about a week ago on brain trauma and athletes and asked him during a break this very question. If anyone in the world would know about this issue, it's him. And, he unequivocally said, no...there simply is no evidence or known physiological reason why would expect a resolved concussion to predispose you to having another one. Absolutely none. Not from the rodent data, not from the known effects of concussions in humans. Nothing suggests this.

The fact that folks have multiple concussions and why they do is interesting. But, at this point, we do not have anything to suggest that one begets another.

Then please explain why Troy Aikman and Steve Young were getting concussion after concussion and it ended their careers? According to you, they can just play again because they have the same probability of getting a concussion than someone who has never had one before.What about Austin Collie who had a severe concussion early in the year last year, then the first game back from that injury has another severe concussion. Must've been the worst luck ever!!!

How about Best have potentially 3 concussions already this season after multiple in college, these guys must just have bad luck

Has the thought occurred to you that some people...some brains...might be more vulnerable to concussions even before sustaining a first blow to the head? I never said or implied those guys should get right back in there. In fact, I feel just the opposite. But, it's not because I think that they had a concussion, their brains are NOW susceptible to new concussions.

It has occurred to me and I believe it's possible. But you don't think it's possible that one concussion leads to another. Or that having multiple concussions leads to a higher chance of another concussion.Concussions are a new topic without a ton of research, when compared to the rest the body. All I can base it off of is what i've read/researched + football players past results. If we ignore the past, we are in denial IMO.

It's a messy area for sure. But, the research does not support your position. The known neuroanatomy and metabolic sequelae resulting from concussions do not support your position. The rodent models do not support your position. The football players of the past do not support your position either. You are confusing correlation with causation. You can choose to believe whatever you would like, but just know that this position you are staking ground on is not supported by the research and is not in line with Bob Stern and Robert Cantu and Anne Mckee and countless other experts in neuroscience who posit that the neural cascade of effects of concussion once resolved...are resolved.

If i'm completely wrong, as you say over and over again. Then why would a player that gets multiple concussions(troy aikman, steve young, hunter hillenmeyer, etc) have to retire then?

Troy Aikman- The 2000 season was Aikman's final season as a professional football player. Aikman suffered from several concussions during the season, and a revolving door at QB took place between Aikman and former Eagles QB Randall Cunningham. Aikman's final game was a home game against the Washington Redskins. Aikman was hit by linebacker LaVar Arrington and suffered the 10th concussion of his career.

Steve Young- The 1999 season would turn out to be Steve Young's last. Young was plagued by concussions throughout his career. Officially, Young had suffered seven concussions, but many believe the number to be higher.[citation needed] During a Week 3 Monday Night Football game against the Arizona Cardinals, Young was violently sacked by Cardinals' cornerback Aeneas Williams due to a missed blocking assignment by 49ers' running back Lawrence Phillips. Young was knocked out of the game and did not return to that game, or any game the rest of the season, suffering from symptoms of post-concussion syndrome. The concussion he suffered against the Cardinals was reportedly his second in season that was only three weeks old. Young was forced to retire at the end of the year; the team informed him that he would be released if he did not retire. Although Young was offered a job as the Broncos starting quarterback, he retired because of his repeated concussions

Hunter Hillenmeyer- retired at age 30

Will Hunter Hillenmeyer continue to play in the NFL?

Asked that question, Hillenmeyer was unable to provide an answer. He has, as the tragic Dave Duerson did, donated his brain to research. That leads me to believe that Hunter Hillenmeyer wants to continue to play but that decision is in part up in the air due to his past concussion. It is a consideration for him; it is a consideration for any potential employing team.

I have no idea why each guy retired. Maybe it was continuation of post concussive symptoms. Maybe it was a conservative life choice. Maybe it was fear that they would suffer permanent brain damage. These are not reasons to support the position that a single resolved concussion predisposes you to subsequent concussions.

 

[HULLOBUDMAN]

Not that there would be much injury news if any on a Monday at 100 but I meant to post that I thought it was odd that there was no news about Best this past week. Did anyone see anything at all about him going through the post concussion tests? Were they given but not passed? Not given at all?

 

[phillybirds]

Not that there would be much injury news if any on a Monday at 100 but I meant to post that I thought it was odd that there was no news about Best this past week. Did anyone see anything at all about him going through the post concussion tests? Were they given but not passed? Not given at all?

I'm wondering the same thing. As of last week, the reports were he was going to get tests later that week. Never heard anything else about it.

 

[Touchdown There]

Not that there would be much injury news if any on a Monday at 100 but I meant to post that I thought it was odd that there was no news about Best this past week. Did anyone see anything at all about him going through the post concussion tests? Were they given but not passed? Not given at all?

I'm wondering the same thing. As of last week, the reports were he was going to get tests later that week. Never heard anything else about it.

One would have to assume that he took the tests.

 

[phillybirds]

Not that there would be much injury news if any on a Monday at 100 but I meant to post that I thought it was odd that there was no news about Best this past week. Did anyone see anything at all about him going through the post concussion tests? Were they given but not passed? Not given at all?

I'm wondering the same thing. As of last week, the reports were he was going to get tests later that week. Never heard anything else about it.

One would have to assume that he took the tests.

I would think so. I would also assume that the question will come up if he had done so, and the results of said tests will be shared.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

1) I just googled it and that's the first one I looked at.

2) See Troy Aikman, Steve Young, Austin Collie, and Jahvid Best. I'd love some evidence against it. Until then I will go by the research articles/doctors/and history of NFL players as proof.

First of all, I sincerely doubt you can find anything in the literature that has established that 1 concussion predisposes you to another (unless it's an unresolved concussion). Can you rule out the possibility that they are simply predisposed to having concussions in the first place?Until then, I'll hinge my position on what the research says, in addition to the expertise of Robert Stern (BU Medical Center) who is one of the world's leading experts in concussion research and who, oh by the way, is one of the leading figureheads in generating research with the NFL players on concussion (and chronic traumatic encephalopathy). I happened to attend a conference just about a week ago on brain trauma and athletes and asked him during a break this very question. If anyone in the world would know about this issue, it's him. And, he unequivocally said, no...there simply is no evidence or known physiological reason why would expect a resolved concussion to predispose you to having another one. Absolutely none. Not from the rodent data, not from the known effects of concussions in humans. Nothing suggests this.

The fact that folks have multiple concussions and why they do is interesting. But, at this point, we do not have anything to suggest that one begets another.

Then please explain why Troy Aikman and Steve Young were getting concussion after concussion and it ended their careers? According to you, they can just play again because they have the same probability of getting a concussion than someone who has never had one before.What about Austin Collie who had a severe concussion early in the year last year, then the first game back from that injury has another severe concussion. Must've been the worst luck ever!!!

How about Best have potentially 3 concussions already this season after multiple in college, these guys must just have bad luck

Has the thought occurred to you that some people...some brains...might be more vulnerable to concussions even before sustaining a first blow to the head? I never said or implied those guys should get right back in there. In fact, I feel just the opposite. But, it's not because I think that they had a concussion, their brains are NOW susceptible to new concussions.

It has occurred to me and I believe it's possible. But you don't think it's possible that one concussion leads to another. Or that having multiple concussions leads to a higher chance of another concussion.Concussions are a new topic without a ton of research, when compared to the rest the body. All I can base it off of is what i've read/researched + football players past results. If we ignore the past, we are in denial IMO.

It's a messy area for sure. But, the research does not support your position. The known neuroanatomy and metabolic sequelae resulting from concussions do not support your position. The rodent models do not support your position. The football players of the past do not support your position either. You are confusing correlation with causation. You can choose to believe whatever you would like, but just know that this position you are staking ground on is not supported by the research and is not in line with Bob Stern and Robert Cantu and Anne Mckee and countless other experts in neuroscience who posit that the neural cascade of effects of concussion once resolved...are resolved.

If i'm completely wrong, as you say over and over again. Then why would a player that gets multiple concussions(troy aikman, steve young, hunter hillenmeyer, etc) have to retire then?

Troy Aikman- The 2000 season was Aikman's final season as a professional football player. Aikman suffered from several concussions during the season, and a revolving door at QB took place between Aikman and former Eagles QB Randall Cunningham. Aikman's final game was a home game against the Washington Redskins. Aikman was hit by linebacker LaVar Arrington and suffered the 10th concussion of his career.

Steve Young- The 1999 season would turn out to be Steve Young's last. Young was plagued by concussions throughout his career. Officially, Young had suffered seven concussions, but many believe the number to be higher.[citation needed] During a Week 3 Monday Night Football game against the Arizona Cardinals, Young was violently sacked by Cardinals' cornerback Aeneas Williams due to a missed blocking assignment by 49ers' running back Lawrence Phillips. Young was knocked out of the game and did not return to that game, or any game the rest of the season, suffering from symptoms of post-concussion syndrome. The concussion he suffered against the Cardinals was reportedly his second in season that was only three weeks old. Young was forced to retire at the end of the year; the team informed him that he would be released if he did not retire. Although Young was offered a job as the Broncos starting quarterback, he retired because of his repeated concussions

Hunter Hillenmeyer- retired at age 30

Will Hunter Hillenmeyer continue to play in the NFL?

Asked that question, Hillenmeyer was unable to provide an answer. He has, as the tragic Dave Duerson did, donated his brain to research. That leads me to believe that Hunter Hillenmeyer wants to continue to play but that decision is in part up in the air due to his past concussion. It is a consideration for him; it is a consideration for any potential employing team.

I have no idea why each guy retired. Maybe it was continuation of post concussive symptoms. Maybe it was a conservative life choice. Maybe it was fear that they would suffer permanent brain damage. These are not reasons to support the position that a single resolved concussion predisposes you to subsequent concussions.

Yep all a major coincidence...

 

[phillybirds]

Found this on Twitter:

Paula Pasche

@paulapasche

Detroit Lions beat writer for The Oakland Press.

#Lions Jim Schwartz has no update on RB Jahvid Best who has missed 3 games w/ a concussion. Needs to be symptom-free for clearance.

 

[phillybirds]

RotoWorld

Lions coach Jim Schwartz says Jahvid Best's (concussion) situation remains "status quo."

As in, Best isn't near a return. Best did not attend Sunday's lost in Chicago after making a "few different stops" with specialists last week. Best remains worth stashing if you have an available roster spot, but his return is likely weeks away. Nov 14 - 2:57 PM

 

[phillybirds]

Not good news.

 

[ldizzle]

I take these reports to mean he has had tests recently and still has concussion symptoms? If so, really not good news.

I concur. Its been this long and youd figure there would be good news wih the test results. No test results to me is bad news and i fear the worst. Hopefully news will actually come out about the tests.

 

[phillybirds]

I concur. Its been this long and youd figure there would be good news wih the test results. No test results to me is bad news and i fear the worst. Hopefully news will actually come out about the tests.

That rotoworld report says he met with specialists. I can't imagine why else he'd meet with specialists other than to see if he can be cleared. Bummer. I will continue to stash him on my bench on the outside chance he comes back and plays during the fantasy playoffs. But I'm no longer optimistic.

 

[HULLOBUDMAN]

Hard to hold him and hard to drop him to the WW.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Have him in two leagues and may drop him in both this week. I just don't see him coming back anytime soon. If he had extensive tests last week and isn't anywhere near coming back then this year is lost.

 

[Breesisdaman]

Im holding until the Thanksgiving game. If he is not back for that prime time matchup it will never happen.

 

[WildEyedOne]

Im holding until the Thanksgiving game. If he is not back for that prime time matchup it will never happen.

same here

 

[ldizzle]

what we already thought but not flat out told...

Rotoworld:

Coach Jim Schwartz hinted Monday that Jahvid Best is still dealing with symptoms relating to his concussion.

It's unclear if Best has shown any improvement at all since sustaining his concussion more than four weeks ago. "When we get clearance from the doctors, we'll get him back. But he needs to be symptom-free before we get clearance from the doctors," Schwartz said. Best does not appear close to a return.

so if his symptoms go away he plays?

 

[AmosMoses]

Put this china doll on IR already.

 

[Jene Bramel]

what we already thought but not flat out told...Rotoworld:Coach Jim Schwartz hinted Monday that Jahvid Best is still dealing with symptoms relating to his concussion.It's unclear if Best has shown any improvement at all since sustaining his concussion more than four weeks ago. "When we get clearance from the doctors, we'll get him back. But he needs to be symptom-free before we get clearance from the doctors," Schwartz said. Best does not appear close to a return.so if his symptoms go away he plays?

He won't be cleared for light activity until his symptoms clear. At that point, he'll need to have no recurrence of symptoms with exercise and light football activity, then be cleared by an independent neurologist for contact, then have no recurrence of symptoms after contact to be cleared for a game.There's room for interpretation on the "symptom-free" comment from Schwartz, but I think it's clear that there remains no timetable for his return. If he's still having symptoms this far removed from the most recent injury, there's no way to know when they'll clear. I think it's extremely doubtful that he'll be ready for the Thanksgiving game next week and I'd argue that the Lions' current record is the only thing that's kept him off the IR list, i.e. they're hoping he can get back in time to contribute during the last month of the season and/or during the playoffs should they earn a berth.

 

[solorca]

I think they need to just go ahead and put him on IR and hope he's able to come back next season. It's a sad end for a promising season, but Best just needs to get himself healthy.

 

[footballnerd]

Jahvid Best injury update (11/15/11)

(TheHuddle) Detroit Lions head coach Jim Schwartz said Monday, Nov. 14, he would not offer a timetable for RB Jahvid Best's return; however, he confirmed that Best is still experiencing concussion-like symptoms. Best has been evaluated by multiple physicians in hopes of returning to action. Analysis: There was concern when Best initially suffered the injury that it could be season-ending, based on his track record with concussions. Fantasy owners haven't been able to officially write him off yet, but at this point his return needs to be viewed as a possible bonus addition to a playoff roster and nothing more.

This guy is done, not coming back anytime soon. Contemplating if I should drop him for Kevin Smith since I have Morris.

 

[the moops]

Jahvid Best injury update (11/15/11)

(TheHuddle) Detroit Lions head coach Jim Schwartz said Monday, Nov. 14, he would not offer a timetable for RB Jahvid Best's return; however, he confirmed that Best is still experiencing concussion-like symptoms. Best has been evaluated by multiple physicians in hopes of returning to action. Analysis: There was concern when Best initially suffered the injury that it could be season-ending, based on his track record with concussions. Fantasy owners haven't been able to officially write him off yet, but at this point his return needs to be viewed as a possible bonus addition to a playoff roster and nothing more.

This guy is done, not coming back anytime soon. Contemplating if I should drop him for Kevin Smith since I have Morris.

I would drop Morris for Smith before I would drop Best for Smith

 

[jon_mx]

If his symptoms are really hanging on this long, it is becoming doubtful if doctors will clear him to play this year.

 

[footballnerd]

This guy is done, not coming back anytime soon. Contemplating if I should drop him for Kevin Smith since I have Morris.

I would drop Morris for Smith before I would drop Best for Smith

Ya I'm not dropping Morris the week he's playing CAR (need the start), Smith will prob be picked up this week too. Decisions decisions....

 

[UnderDawgs]

Is Best droppable or not?

 

[JD8p]

I would say he is thisclose to being drop worthy.

I can't help but consider him the last player on my roster at this point, but I think I would rather miss out on Kevin Smith than dump Best and have him come back.

 

[ponchsox]

I wouldn't drop him unless the Lions put him on season ending IR. The Lions are probably waiting to see if he can contribute down the stretch if his symptoms subside.

 

[cobalt_27]

Drop with confidence.

Even if he returns, he'd be very limited. He's not getting 10+ touches/game anymore. Probably ever.

 

[phillybirds]

I wouldn't drop him unless the Lions put him on season ending IR. The Lions are probably waiting to see if he can contribute down the stretch if his symptoms subside.

Yeah. If they haven't put him on IR that means they are still holding hope that he can get back. Which means I'll hold some hope. I think I'm a sure bet for the fantasy playoffs, so I'll stash him on my bench and hope. Not a lot of faith, but I don't see anyone worth dropping him for in my situation.

 

[knowledge dropper]

Sad. This is sounding like Crosby for the Pens. Hard to believe he will be back this year.

 

[UnderDawgs]

I bit the bullet and let him go.

 

[outlaws27]

Sig was approached with a Best-related question on his Twitter feed an hour or so ago. He gives the green light to drop Best and add Smith (in deeper leagues)

SigmundBloom

i think you can. KSmith great add in deep lgs RT @DawnEboch Tell me I can drop Best. Pretty please, with a cherry on top?

via Twitter

 

[redaddy25]

Per Rotoworld...

Jahvid Best (concussion) was in attendance at Lions practice Wednesday.

The Lions announced that Best was "at" Wednesday's practice on Twitter, but have failed to specify whether he participated. We'll have an update shortly.

They initially said he practiced today, but then they changed their story.

 

[ponchsox]

Sig was approached with a Best-related question on his Twitter feed an hour or so ago. He gives the green light to drop Best and add Smith (in deeper leagues)SigmundBloomi think you can. KSmith great add in deep lgs RT @DawnEboch Tell me I can drop Best. Pretty please, with a cherry on top?via Twitter

 

[phillybirds]

Best's presence at Wednesday's practice a good sign

Running back Jahvid Best didn't practice on Wednesday, but he was present on the field for the first time since suffering a concussion Week 6 against San Francisco.

While that sets nothing in stone as far as a return date, it is a good sign that Best is feeling better.

Head Coach Jim Schwartz has mentioned that players who suffer from concussions are held back from team functions due to the sensitivity from light, sound, etc., which is why Best hasn't been at practices and why he didn't make the trip to Chicago with the team last weekend.

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So he hadn't been allowed to attend previously, but now he can. It's baby steps, but it is positive news!

 

[solorca]

I think that if he gets on the field this Sunday, he could have a HUGE game against Carolina. Speedy backs like him that are good receivers out of the backfield rip Carolina apart (even more than normal backs that also rip them apart). I think it may be too much to expect him this week, but if he plays, I think he's a must start.

 

[phillybirds]

I think that if he gets on the field this Sunday, he could have a HUGE game against Carolina. Speedy backs like him that are good receivers out of the backfield rip Carolina apart (even more than normal backs that also rip them apart). I think it may be too much to expect him this week, but if he plays, I think he's a must start.

I agree that it is probably a reach to hope for a return this week.But being allowed to observe practice does indeed sound like good news if he was not allowed to attend previously. Hopefully he doesn't have any symptoms from "the lights and sounds", and is one step closer to putting on pads.

 

[footballnerd]

I agree that it is probably a reach to hope for a return this week.But being allowed to observe practice does indeed sound like good news if he was not allowed to attend previously. Hopefully he doesn't have any symptoms from "the lights and sounds", and is one step closer to putting on pads.

 

[Air Stich]

I'm holding until Thanksgiving. If there isn't significant improvement, then I'll drop him before that Sunday's game for a lottery ticket . . . or another defense.

 

[Da Guru]

Best's presence at Wednesday's practice a good sign

Running back Jahvid Best didn't practice on Wednesday, but he was present on the field for the first time since suffering a concussion Week 6 against San Francisco.

While that sets nothing in stone as far as a return date, it is a good sign that Best is feeling better.

Head Coach Jim Schwartz has mentioned that players who suffer from concussions are held back from team functions due to the sensitivity from light, sound, etc., which is why Best hasn't been at practices and why he didn't make the trip to Chicago with the team last weekend.

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So he hadn't been allowed to attend previously, but now he can. It's baby steps, but it is positive news!

There is a good chance the the Lions shut Best down for the year soon.

 

[L-pipe]

Own(ed) him in 2 of my dynasty leagues but just dropped him in 1. I must have been out of my mind to have taken him so high last season. Seems like a good kid, just can't stay healthy and seems to be 1 concussion away from being in diapers. Maybe I was a little rash but I had been burned by Felix Jones long enough, too. Kept him far too long also. Enough is enough. That being said, feel free to grab him if he is available in your league as he should explode now that he's no longer part of my team .

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Own(ed) him in 2 of my dynasty leagues but just dropped him in 1. I must have been out of my mind to have taken him so high last season. Seems like a good kid, just can't stay healthy and seems to be 1 concussion away from being in diapers. Maybe I was a little rash but I had been burned by Felix Jones long enough, too. Kept him far too long also. Enough is enough. That being said, feel free to grab him if he is available in your league as he should explode now that he's no longer part of my team .

 

[ourmanflint]

Forgive me if this has been posted before.

Don't expect Jahvid Best's return anytime soon

Written by Al Beaton | 16 November 2011

The latest news in regard to Jahvid Best's recovery from his second concussion is exactly the same as it's been for several weeks. You could cut and paste the quotes.

There's no change.

He's still being evaluated.

We need clearance from doctors.

When there are no symptoms, he'll play.

Today, we heard those same statements.

Jim Schwartz confirmed Best is still recovering from the after effects of his latest concussion, and doesn't know when he could return to the lineup.

Jahvid Best

Could the 49ers game have been the last we see of Jahvid Best in 2011?

I wouldn't bet against it.

Via Anwar S. Richardson of Mlive:

"No, he did not make the trip and that's been typical with our guys that are fighting concussions," Schwartz said. "That's one of the things that we're finding out isn't a great idea, it's just the whole travel issue and a lot of different things that sort of bother guys with concussions ... We're status quo with that. When we get clearance from the doctors, then we'll get him back, but he needs to be symptom-free before we get clearance from the doctors."

In other words, Best will play when he's healthy enough to play...and no one can say for sure when that will be. Could be in a week, could be next season. There's no timetable.

If you think Best might return relatively soon, this report from Josina Anderson of Showtime's "Inside the NFL" may have you reconsidering. She spoke with Best's agent, Tony Fleming, and asked about his client's recovery.

Via @JosinaAnderson:

Fleming on Best: "He has been seeing several specialists. He is in the process of recovering from this most recent concussion. Once his symptoms are gone then he will be reevaluated for the future."

I'm not at all encouraged by the tone of what Fleming had to say, especially the "He has been seeing several specialists" statement. That tells me Best and Lions have been actively seeking opinions, and aren't hearing what they either want or hope to hear.

A few weeks ago I wrote the following:

I realize football players want to do one thing more than anything; play. But they also want to have a life after the NFL. If I'm Best, I follow my own protocol and seriously contemplate sitting out the rest of the 2011 season.

Contemplate, Hell. I wouldn't even give it a second thought.

The time for the Lions to sit Best for the remainder of the season is rapidly approaching. Going by the quotes from Schwartz and Fleming, that time may have already arrived.

 

[ldizzle]

ALLEN PARK - Detroit Lions running back Jahvid Best did not speak with reporters on Thursday, but his presence said a lot.

Best has not played since sustaining a concussion against San Fransisco three games ago. He also has not been seen by local media members at the Lions facility since his injury.

On Thursday, Best was sitting on a stool in front of his locker. Best was in street clothes and enjoying conversations with running backs Maurice Morris and Kevin Smith.

While Best declined to speak with the media, his presence is a positive sign.

"I'll just say this with Jahvid, he is improving," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. "He's back in the building and those kind of things, on a limited basis. I think that's obviously a good sign, but we still don't have clearance for him to do physical activity yet."

Best attended Lions practice on Wednesday, which is the first time media members have seen him since his injury. He also attended Thursday's practice.

Detroit (6-3) has been 1-2 without Best in the lineup. Best rushed for 390 yards and two touchdowns, plus had 27 receptions for 287 yards and one touchdown, prior to his injury.

"We're unique as a team in that most of our injured players hang around," Schwartz said. "Isaiah (Ekejiuba) was hurt earlier in the season; he's in just about all our meetings. Erik Coleman, the same thing. Even a guy like Vinny Fuller who was only here quickly; those guys go to our meetings, come and watch practice, try to stay involved.

"I think it says a lot about our team, the camaraderie and things like that. There's a lot of ways you can lead, there's a lot of ways you can contribute. Those other guys I mentioned can't contribute physically, but there's a lot of other things they can contribute, and that's obviously a good sign and it helps the team to have guys like that around."

 

[ourmanflint]

ALLEN PARK - Detroit Lions running back Jahvid Best did not speak with reporters on Thursday, but his presence said a lot.

Best has not played since sustaining a concussion against San Fransisco three games ago. He also has not been seen by local media members at the Lions facility since his injury.

On Thursday, Best was sitting on a stool in front of his locker. Best was in street clothes and enjoying conversations with running backs Maurice Morris and Kevin Smith.

While Best declined to speak with the media, his presence is a positive sign.

"I'll just say this with Jahvid, he is improving," Lions coach Jim Schwartz said. "He's back in the building and those kind of things, on a limited basis. I think that's obviously a good sign, but we still don't have clearance for him to do physical activity yet."

Best attended Lions practice on Wednesday, which is the first time media members have seen him since his injury. He also attended Thursday's practice.

Detroit (6-3) has been 1-2 without Best in the lineup. Best rushed for 390 yards and two touchdowns, plus had 27 receptions for 287 yards and one touchdown, prior to his injury.

"We're unique as a team in that most of our injured players hang around," Schwartz said. "Isaiah (Ekejiuba) was hurt earlier in the season; he's in just about all our meetings. Erik Coleman, the same thing. Even a guy like Vinny Fuller who was only here quickly; those guys go to our meetings, come and watch practice, try to stay involved.

"I think it says a lot about our team, the camaraderie and things like that. There's a lot of ways you can lead, there's a lot of ways you can contribute. Those other guys I mentioned can't contribute physically, but there's a lot of other things they can contribute, and that's obviously a good sign and it helps the team to have guys like that around."

Translation:He felt so bad before, he couldn't even come to the office to sit around and chat with the other players. Before that, we were so confounded by how horrible he felt, we sent him to see an army of doctors who all told us he couldn't play and we should likely sit him the rest of the year if not recommend he retire. All of this from a hit that no one can actually identify. So...at least he can come in here and support the guys who will be playing in his place. That's progress.

Am I close?

 

[gdub]

I think there was a post in this thread or one similar that had Best at a meet/greet at ****'s Sporting Goods. A member here attended and that was about 2 weeks ago. If he can visit the public and chat with the community, I don't see why he was just cleared to talk to teammates and stand around at practice. I don't think his concussion symptoms kept him from hanging out at the team facility the past few weeks. Who knows?

 

[ldizzle]

Im holding until the Thanksgiving game. If he is not back for that prime time matchup it will never happen.

same here

He will be lucky to even start light practice next week let alone play.hard to drop him tho

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Im holding until the Thanksgiving game. If he is not back for that prime time matchup it will never happen.

same here

He will be lucky to even start light practice next week let alone play.hard to drop him tho

Yeah, the last article I read said this:

"I'll just say this with Jahvid, he is improving and he's back in the building and those kind of things on a limited basis," Schwartz said. "That's obviously a good sign, but we still don't have clearance for him to do physical activity yet."

Um, he isn't even cleared for physical activity. That means the dude can't even aggressively spank himself. He isn't suiting up this season.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Im holding until the Thanksgiving game. If he is not back for that prime time matchup it will never happen.

same here

He will be lucky to even start light practice next week let alone play.hard to drop him tho

Yeah, the last article I read said this:

"I'll just say this with Jahvid, he is improving and he's back in the building and those kind of things on a limited basis," Schwartz said. "That's obviously a good sign, but we still don't have clearance for him to do physical activity yet."

Um, he isn't even cleared for physical activity. That means the dude can't even aggressively spank himself. He isn't suiting up this season.