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[Javon Walker] Disrespected by the Packers? (2 Viewers)

Was Javon Walker Disrespected by the Packers?

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big score you could take depositions and have sworn testimony by all those involved....guys Like Sho nuff have their minds made up already.I get my info from a Jets staffer who is related to a member of the Packers staff who left the team for a year and who was rehired by McCarthy. So I know my info is good. Sho nuff is basically taking whats said in the Green Bay Papers and running with it, thats fine but what team is going to come out and say there's a problem in the lockerroom between the teams 2 star players.....Especially when One is a 3 time MVP and sure fire first ballot Hall of famer ?

The thing that irks me is that the guy doesn't even do his homework, If he looked into it just a little he'd find snippets of it here and there. Ive got nothing against Packer fans, they're probably the best fans in the league

since its the leagues smallest market and they sell out every week. And as I said I was a big Brett Favre fan for the longest time...He was my fantasy MVP in my league championships 3 separate times, so I have no axe to grind here. But when a guy in a position to know something tells me theres a problem and there's a guy saying they will never play for a certain team again..... I'd be a fool not to believe it.... Sho nuff is just a passionate advocate for his team as is Pony Boy, I'd rather deal with guys who love their teams than fair weather fans.

 
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38 PM]...they are not as ignorant as alot of the people on this board.
Jeez but you're insultingly arrogant :thumbdown:
Maybe...but do you read some of these posts?
when your QB calls you out for holding out, questioning your team spirit, and then that QB does the same thing the next year?
Not quite the same actually.
and no doubt Brett's actions regarding Javon's coming back from his holdout, and subsequent injury have alot to do with Walker's feelings of betrayal and disrespect.
The definition of ignorance...speaking when you do not know...just this week Javon is quoted as saying it basically had nothing to do with Favre.
Few of the 32 people (and counting) who voted in a way that you don't like posted....so yeah...you're insultingly arrogant.
Where did I say it was in this thread only. It is a recurring theme with guys like the jetsman...bigjim...and so on.Telling the truth is not arrogance. There are a ton of ignorant people who post on this board.

 
Sho Nuff isnt Arrogant, He's Just Clueless, The fact that Javon wont trash a Teammate in print is seen as a bad thing. Javon has a problem with that alright. The Fact that teammates Like Chmura and Freeman have come out and questioned Brett's actions are lost on Sho nuff. I wish I could repeat what I personaly was told by a former Jets assistant coach with firsthand knowledge of the situation, but I'm sure it will come out eventually, so have your fun. just remember that not everything said between teammates is public knowledge.

Actually I have to respect Javon because he has handled it as well as he has. It isn't the definition of Ignorance as Big Score has said, its actually a teammate keeping things out of press when it doesnt belong there. I'm not a packer hater either... I just listen to what I'm told and look to see what happens after.
Im clueless because you post opinions that are refuted with quotes? Favre is not a teammate. Yeah...Walker will not trash a "teammate"...he will just spread rumors that a teammate wants to be traded to make the franchise look bad. Please. Chmura is mad Favre did not talk to him after he messed around with a teenager...considering Favre has a teenage daughter...not that shocking is it? Lost on me is not the thoughts of ex-teammates who felt shunned by a guy because of their personal screwups.

Yup...Im sure you were told by some coach some great info....Im sure you are so in the know but cannot find a single actual bit of evidence to back your claims. Instead you spread ignorance that is refuted by direct quotes and oh...facts like Favre contemplating retirement being nothing like Javon contemplating holding out.

Javon handled it well? By whining several times to the media about his contract situation...making it public...then crying when others comment about a now public situation? By possibly being the guy who tried to say Driver wanted out?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

 
big score you could take depositions and have sworn testimony by all those involved....guys Like Sho nuff have their minds made up already.I get my info from a Jets staffer who is related to a member of the Packers staff who left the team for a year and who was rehired by McCarthy. So I know my info is good. Sho nuff is basically taking whats said in the Green Bay Papers and running with it, thats fine but what team is going to come out and say there's a problem in the lockerroom between the teams 2 star players.....Especially when One is a 3 time MVP and sure fire first ballot Hall of famer ?

The thing that irks me is that the guy doesn't even do his homework, If he looked into it just a little he'd find snippets of it here and there. Ive got nothing against Packer fans, they're probably the best fans in the league

since its the leagues smallest market and they sell out every week. And as I said I was a big Brett Favre fan for the longest time...He was my fantasy MVP in my league championships 3 separate times, so I have no axe to grind here. But when a guy in a position to know something tells me theres a problem and there's a guy saying they will never play for a certain team again..... I'd be a fool not to believe it.... Sho nuff is just a passionate advocate for his team as is Pony Boy, I'd rather deal with guys who love their teams than fair weather fans.
Guys like me have my minds made up? Yes, I do...by all the facts that are on the table currently leading me to my opinion.What info? Post something other than...Javon is being respectful and Favre caused him to lead (directly refuted by Javon's actual words).

Im taking what is running in every national paper out there actually...not just what is going on in the Green Bay paper. And not going on some guy on the internet who claims to know a Jets guy who is in close with people in Green Bay.

I do not do my homework? That is funny...I take direct quotes from Walker himself refuting the opinion you posted...and I do not do my homework?

Come up with something concrete rather than..."trust me I know someone from the jets who knows so and so".

I know he stated he would never play for the team again...show me where I have ever denied that?

Im an advocate for the team...you can see in other threads where I also defend Walker from some undo criticism. But I will challenge people posting information that simply has not been shown to be factual. Like much of what you are claiming.

 
38 PM]...they are not as ignorant as alot of the people on this board.
Jeez but you're insultingly arrogant :thumbdown:
Maybe...but do you read some of these posts?
when your QB calls you out for holding out, questioning your team spirit, and then that QB does the same thing the next year?
Not quite the same actually.
and no doubt Brett's actions regarding Javon's coming back from his holdout, and subsequent injury have alot to do with Walker's feelings of betrayal and disrespect.
The definition of ignorance...speaking when you do not know...just this week Javon is quoted as saying it basically had nothing to do with Favre.
Few of the 32 people (and counting) who voted in a way that you don't like posted....so yeah...you're insultingly arrogant.
Where did I say it was in this thread only. It is a recurring theme with guys like the jetsman...bigjim...and so on.Telling the truth is not arrogance. There are a ton of ignorant people who post on this board.
Did you make your "ignorant" statement in this thread? :yes: In this thread, did you specifically pick out & quote a particular post, to make your "ignorant" statement? :yes:

Am I buying the spin you're now selling? :no:

Were you insultingly arrogant? :yes:

 
Yeah...Walker will not trash a "teammate"...he will just spread rumors that a teammate wants to be traded to make the franchise look bad.
Is that a fact, sho nuff? Do you have a :link: confirming this...?...or are you just propagating an unfounded rumor?

 
Big Score, as I told you because he doesn't like what Is being said he hurls Insults, because he has no way of getting any direct source info he chooses to trash anyone who does..... and Ignores the fact that multiple Packers have left on unfavorable terms.... he trashes any of the players whose quotes don't support his opinions. Sooner or later it will all come out and then he'll just spin it as the press trying to drum up circulation.

let him believe what he likes, anybody reading the thread will see theres more than his side to the story

 
Big Score, as I told you because he doesn't like what Is being said he hurls Insults, because he has no way of getting any direct source info he chooses to trash anyone who does..... and Ignores the fact that multiple Packers have left on unfavorable terms.... he trashes any of the players whose quotes don't support his opinions. Sooner or later it will all come out and then he'll just spin it as the press trying to drum up circulation.

let him believe what he likes, anybody reading the thread will see theres more than his side to the story
What is your inside information again? I ask because I have a friend who's roommate is working with the Packers organization. I used to live up in Green Bay and since it is so small I was connected very well. I inquire about anything Packers related and the reports I here from this guy have said that Javon would often find himself in the opponents locker room because he would forget where his locker is. Also, he would blame management for switching locker ooms all the time and that is what started this mess. My inside information is solid. I also asked if he knew anyone that might know someone named "jetsman" and nobody knew who you were. :shrug:
 
Big Score, as I told you because he doesn't like what Is being said he hurls Insults, because he has no way of getting any direct source info he chooses to trash anyone who does..... and Ignores the fact that multiple Packers have left on unfavorable terms.... he trashes any of the players whose quotes don't support his opinions. Sooner or later it will all come out and then he'll just spin it as the press trying to drum up circulation.

let him believe what he likes, anybody reading the thread will see theres more than his side to the story
What is your inside information again? I ask because I have a friend who's roommate is working with the Packers organization. I used to live up in Green Bay and since it is so small I was connected very well. I inquire about anything Packers related and the reports I here from this guy have said that Javon would often find himself in the opponents locker room because he would forget where his locker is. Also, he would blame management for switching locker ooms all the time and that is what started this mess. My inside information is solid. I also asked if he knew anyone that might know someone named "jetsman" and nobody knew who you were. :shrug:
I have no connection with the Packers, The Jets train where I went to school and I interned with them when I graduated. I have some friends over at Weeb Ewbank hall and as a result I'm around the pratice facility quite often, My source is A Jets Staffer related to A member of the Packers Staff. Do I have proof of what I was told ? no, but I believe them because they make their living in the NFL and they would know more than a fan like us. It wasn't like they sought me out either, It was openly discussed in the Ratskeller (the campus Hangout) I have no reason to doubt the source, but hell I wasnt there between Brett and Javon. The Packer assistant was.take it or leave it as you wish

 
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Big Score, as I told you because he doesn't like what Is being said he hurls Insults,  because he has no way of getting any direct source info he chooses to trash anyone who does..... and Ignores the fact that  multiple Packers have left on unfavorable terms.... he trashes any of the players whose quotes don't support his opinions. Sooner or later it will all come out and then he'll just spin it as the press  trying to drum up circulation.

let him believe what he likes, anybody reading the thread will see theres more than his side to the story
What is your inside information again? I ask because I have a friend who's roommate is working with the Packers organization. I used to live up in Green Bay and since it is so small I was connected very well. I inquire about anything Packers related and the reports I here from this guy have said that Javon would often find himself in the opponents locker room because he would forget where his locker is. Also, he would blame management for switching locker ooms all the time and that is what started this mess. My inside information is solid. I also asked if he knew anyone that might know someone named "jetsman" and nobody knew who you were. :shrug:
I have no connection with the Packers, The Jets train where I went to school and I interned with them when I graduated. I have some friends over at Weeb Ewbank hall and as a result I'm around the pratice facility quite often, My source is A Jets Staffer related to A member of the Packers Staff. Do I have proof of what I was told ? no, but I believe them because they make their living in the NFL and they would know more than a fan like us. It wasn't like they sought me out either, It was openly discussed in the Ratskeller (the campus Hangout) I have no reason to doubt the source, but hell I wasnt there between Brett and Javon. The Packer assistant was.take it or leave it as you wish
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:jawdrop:

You know, to begin with, I really thought this was a joke of a poll.

But the fact that nearly 1 out of 3 people think the Pack disrespected Walker, does not bode well.

Bit of a :topcat: for the organization.

If 1 out of 3 NFL players sees the Pack in the same light, it's gonna be tough for them to sign FA's at market prices.
:rolleyes:
 
38 PM]...they are not as ignorant as alot of the people on this board.
Jeez but you're insultingly arrogant :thumbdown:
Maybe...but do you read some of these posts?
when your QB calls you out for holding out, questioning your team spirit, and then that QB does the same thing the next year?
Not quite the same actually.
and no doubt Brett's actions regarding Javon's coming back from his holdout, and subsequent injury have alot to do with Walker's feelings of betrayal and disrespect.
The definition of ignorance...speaking when you do not know...just this week Javon is quoted as saying it basically had nothing to do with Favre.
Few of the 32 people (and counting) who voted in a way that you don't like posted....so yeah...you're insultingly arrogant.
Where did I say it was in this thread only. It is a recurring theme with guys like the jetsman...bigjim...and so on.Telling the truth is not arrogance. There are a ton of ignorant people who post on this board.
Did you make your "ignorant" statement in this thread? :yes: In this thread, did you specifically pick out & quote a particular post, to make your "ignorant" statement? :yes:

Am I buying the spin you're now selling? :no:

Were you insultingly arrogant? :yes:
How else to respond to a statement that has been refuted by direct quotes by the player involved? Call it insightful? No, I chose a word that fits by its very definition...ignorant.Nothing arrogant about speaking the truth.

 
Yeah...Walker will not trash a "teammate"...he will just spread rumors that a teammate wants to be traded to make the franchise look bad.
Is that a fact, sho nuff? Do you have a :link: confirming this...?...or are you just propagating an unfounded rumor?
I do apologize as I have always prefaced that with "if the rumor is true" and failed to do so.At this point, however, it seems the only logical explanation given Drivers words and actions over the past several years, including stating he had no clue where that came from.

 
Big Score, as I told you because he doesn't like what Is being said he hurls Insults, because he has no way of getting any direct source info he chooses to trash anyone who does..... and Ignores the fact that multiple Packers have left on unfavorable terms.... he trashes any of the players whose quotes don't support his opinions. Sooner or later it will all come out and then he'll just spin it as the press trying to drum up circulation.

let him believe what he likes, anybody reading the thread will see theres more than his side to the story
Hurls insults?Not at all, I could have called you a moron for how you worded your arguement. Instead, I used the word ignorant. Not really hurling an insult, just using the adjective that best describes a post that was not based in fact at all given Javon's actual words.

Direct source of info...how more direct can the mouth of Javon Walker be?

Certainly it is more direct than some poster claiming to know somebody who knows somebody....

Which players have I trashed? Which ones? I have defended Walker quite a bit for things...I have trashed his attitude and some of the stunts he pulled, as I did last season as well.

Multiple players...McKenzie was mad that a coach other than who he wanted was elevated to be his position coach. He then also wanted more money and was traded per his wishes. What has he done since then...took him a while to get more money...and in the end did not see much more than he was making in the first place. And most certainly has not been quite as good as he thought he would be.

Sharper? Sharper was not let go because of attitude, he did not ask to be let go. He was let go...and then the unfavorable opinions came to be.

Jackson? Jackson wanted more money last year...did not get it...played out his deal and was released. Not because of attitude...but because he wanted $5 million. and the Packers found a younger cheaper alternative. And Grady is still looking for work.

More than my side? You mean like reporter's side to the story...rather than listening to the actual person involved?

Please. What players have I trashed anyway?

:rolleyes:

 
Yeah...Walker will not trash a "teammate"...he will just spread rumors that a teammate wants to be traded to make the franchise look bad.
Is that a fact, sho nuff? Do you have a :link: confirming this...?...or are you just propagating an unfounded rumor?
I do apologize as I have always prefaced that with "if the rumor is true" and failed to do so.At this point, however, it seems the only logical explanation given Drivers words and actions over the past several years, including stating he had no clue where that came from.
Well the other rumor (and a bit more believable) is that Micheal Smith did a little digging, used the Dec article along with the word that Driver had a private meeting with TT a couple of weeks ago and when he came out of that meeting he was not all happy happy, joy joy. Then Micheal Smith exercised a bit of creative/liberal journalism and said what he said. It's all about the ratings.Oh! For the meeting between Driver & TT a couple of weeks back, where Driver came out less than happy, that's over at PackerChatter.com.

 
How else to respond to a statement that has been refuted by direct quotes by the player involved? Call it insightful? No, I chose a word that fits by its very definition...ignorant.

Nothing arrogant about speaking the truth.
You applied your ignorant comment to the fact that 1 out of 3 people believe the Pack disrespected Walker. Walker himself said this.But because you don't think that, those 1 out of 3 people & Walker are all ignorant.

Sorry dude....but that's the epitome of insulting arrogance.

 
No. Simply because athletes have come to use the term "respect" as a synonym for money. Respect does not equal money.

 
Yeah...Walker will not trash a "teammate"...he will just spread rumors that a teammate wants to be traded to make the franchise look bad.
Is that a fact, sho nuff? Do you have a :link: confirming this...?...or are you just propagating an unfounded rumor?
I do apologize as I have always prefaced that with "if the rumor is true" and failed to do so.At this point, however, it seems the only logical explanation given Drivers words and actions over the past several years, including stating he had no clue where that came from.
Well the other rumor (and a bit more believable) is that Micheal Smith did a little digging, used the Dec article along with the word that Driver had a private meeting with TT a couple of weeks ago and when he came out of that meeting he was not all happy happy, joy joy. Then Micheal Smith exercised a bit of creative/liberal journalism and said what he said. It's all about the ratings.Oh! For the meeting between Driver & TT a couple of weeks back, where Driver came out less than happy, that's over at PackerChatter.com.
Have heard that as well...and it could just be Smith being "creative" and basically lying when stating that Driver said trade me or release me. Still waiting for ESPN and Smith to retract their statements.
 
How else to respond to a statement that has been refuted by direct quotes by the player involved? Call it insightful? No, I chose a word that fits by its very definition...ignorant.

Nothing arrogant about speaking the truth.
You applied your ignorant comment to the fact that 1 out of 3 people believe the Pack disrespected Walker. Walker himself said this.But because you don't think that, those 1 out of 3 people & Walker are all ignorant.

Sorry dude....but that's the epitome of insulting arrogance.
Not directly I did not apply it solely to this poll. Just that "...players...are not as ignorant as alot of the people on this board."Which I stand by...players in the NFL are not as ignorant as alot of people on this board.

Not quite an arrogant comment at all to say that players in the NFL know more about the goings on than people on this board do.

But nice try.

 
How else to respond to a statement that has been refuted by direct quotes by the player involved?  Call it insightful?  No, I chose a word that fits by its very definition...ignorant.

Nothing arrogant about speaking the truth.
You applied your ignorant comment to the fact that 1 out of 3 people believe the Pack disrespected Walker. Walker himself said this.But because you don't think that, those 1 out of 3 people & Walker are all ignorant.

Sorry dude....but that's the epitome of insulting arrogance.
Not directly I did not apply it solely to this poll. Just that "...players...are not as ignorant as alot of the people on this board."
You certainly did apply it directly.
:jawdrop:

You know, to begin with, I really thought this was a joke of a poll.

But the fact that nearly 1 out of 3 people think the Pack disrespected Walker, does not bode well.

Bit of a :topcat: for the organization.

If 1 out of 3 NFL players sees the Pack in the same light, it's gonna be tough for them to sign FA's at market prices.
I doubt the players see it that way...they are not as ignorant as alot of the people on this board.
You were being insultingly arrogant with what you said above and now you're being insulting to peoples intelligence, trying this spin of..."Not directly I did not apply it solely to this poll." :rolleyes:

 


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Big Score, as I told you because he doesn't like what Is being said he hurls Insults, because he has no way of getting any direct source info he chooses to trash anyone who does..... and Ignores the fact that multiple Packers have left on unfavorable terms.... he trashes any of the players whose quotes don't support his opinions. Sooner or later it will all come out and then he'll just spin it as the press trying to drum up circulation.

let him believe what he likes, anybody reading the thread will see theres more than his side to the story

*

Hurls insults?

Not at all, I could have called you a moron for how you worded your arguement. Instead, I used the word ignorant. Not really hurling an insult, just using the adjective that best describes a post that was not based in fact at all given Javon's actual words.

Direct source of info...how more direct can the mouth of Javon Walker be?

Certainly it is more direct than some poster claiming to know somebody who knows somebody....

Did walker say he felt Disrespected Sho Nuff ? That is the fact here, based on his actual words you are the one who is doing the Spin doctoring here. And if you;d Bother to Check your facts youd see that not one but Several Packers have left the organization claiming they were disrespected. Those are facts that you choose to ignore, you try to explain them away with your spin doctoring but it is clearly you who does not read the quotes of the players. did not Mckenzie say it as well? or were you sleeping ?

in case you were here are a few quotes:

Mckenzie:

McKenzie, who asked the Packers to redo his contract in March through then-agent Brian Parker, believes he’s steeply underpaid and that he was swindled by a management.

McKenzie told PFW on April 20 that McKenzie didn’t trust Packers management. McKenzie cited the promotion of Bob Slowik to defensive coordinator over DB coach Lionel Washington, whom McKenzie felt the players preferred. McKenzie was also angered by Green Bay’s decision to sign RCB Al Harris to a $19 million contract extension that included more than $7 million in bonuses, calling it “salt in the wound.”

Walker:

"I just don't feel like this is the best place for me to be right now," said Walker, 27, preparing to enter his sixth pro season. "I really have no interest in being in a Green Bay Packers uniform or playing for Green Bay again."

Citing recent contract squabbles with running back Ahman Green, tight end Bubba Franks, defensive lineman Grady Jackson and cornerback Mike McKenzie, as well as his own, Walker added, "I just don't like the way the organization runs itself. They want players to come up there and play hard and work hard, but when it comes time to be compensated, it's like, 'We forgot what you've done.'"

The source of Walker's bitterness is the team's refusal even to discuss his contract, which at the time had two years remaining, the penultimate year of which paid him $515,000 the season after he made the Pro Bowl by catching 89 passes for 1,382 yards and 12 touchdowns. But Walker says that at this point, money is not the issue.

Favre offended Walker when he spoke out against the receiver in his contract dispute, saying he should come to training camp and not hold out. (Walker heeded the advice.) Walker believes Favre's comments made living and working in Wisconsin difficult; Walker tells of one instance when he was in a hotel and an employee announced his presence on an Internet message board for "anyone who had something to say to Javon Walker." It also angered Walker that the team allowed its iconic quarterback to interfere publicly in a teammate's business with management. He held his tongue all year.

"There's an unwritten rule that players stick together," said Walker, still biting his tongue on Favre for the most part.

While Walker is quite adamant about not sticking around in Green Bay for the final year of his contract -- whether Favre returns or not -- he promises not to be a disruption next season, because he doesn't plan to show up at all for training camp.

"If I had to go back there, I'd retire," he said. "I don't have to play."

Jackson:

Before the 2005 NFL season, Jackson said he would hold-out of training camp in order to secure a new contract with the Packers. However, he reported for Training Camp on the first day. Several days later, however, Jackson told reporters that he no longer felt wanted in the Packers organization and requested to be released or traded to another team.

Franks:

"I guess you can never tell until the 11th hour," Franks' agent, Gene Mato, told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel for Saturday's edition. "But unfortunately, it doesn't look like he's going to be there. However, he really wants to be there. To this point, I don't believe the team has stepped up to show him the respect he's earned." Bubba believes that he has done everything that has been asked of him from a football standpoint to be rewarded with a long-term deal. He played out his rookie contract never asking for an extension and never threatening a holdout even though he has been in three Pro Bowls. He has never complained about lack of receptions. He has always been a team player. Off the field, he has never been in any trouble."

spin it any way you like but those are the players and their agents. You just refuse to listen to them. thats Ignorance on your part, and when one of your own defensive coaches tells his nephew on the Jets staff that its a Problem, I figure he knows what he's talking about.

Get your head out of the sand and stop pretending to be an ostrich

 
It would be worth noting the quality of the player that is leaving and yelling he was not respected or not. Each of them are/were malcontents in their own way. If they were HOF'ers that had a great career and then left I could see pointing the finger at the Packers organization. However, none of these players will ever see the HOF and if anyone is wanting to claim Walker will he better have a couple 2000 yard seasons because he is far from there. If people want to hang their hat on the words of underachieving, money hungry players that are no where near the quality of player that their contract requests would seem in indicate, well that is your problem. Me, until Ahman Green, Brett Favre, Frank Winters, Reggie White (RIP), Sean Jones, Bubba Franks or any other number of players that have been with the franchise for more than a few years... I will listen. Until then, put the onus on the players because that is where it belongs.

 
It would be worth noting the quality of the player that is leaving and yelling he was not respected or not. Each of them are/were malcontents in their own way. If they were HOF'ers that had a great career and then left I could see pointing the finger at the Packers organization. However, none of these players will ever see the HOF and if anyone is wanting to claim Walker will he better have a couple 2000 yard seasons because he is far from there. If people want to hang their hat on the words of underachieving, money hungry players that are no where near the quality of player that their contract requests would seem in indicate, well that is your problem. Me, until Ahman Green, Brett Favre, Frank Winters, Reggie White (RIP), Sean Jones, Bubba Franks or any other number of players that have been with the franchise for more than a few years... I will listen. Until then, put the onus on the players because that is where it belongs.
its also worth noting that no other NFL team has this mamy high profile players go public and shout they were disrespected over a 3 year period as well. and bubba franks is one of those players, by the way.and didnt Driver have 2 years on his deal remaining ? isnt that something Thompson said he'd never do ?

 
its also worth noting that no other NFL team has this mamy high profile players go public and shout they were disrespected over a 3 year period as well. and bubba franks is one of those players, by the way.

and didnt Driver have 2 years on his deal remaining ? isnt that something Thompson said he'd never do ?
Walker is the only one I would consider "high profile." The other players that are yelling are simply "players." Driver's situation does not equate to Walker's at all so there is no comparison there. And, if I really cared and really dug it up I would be willing to bet nearly every team has had players say bad thing upon leaving the team that "did not respect them." Like another poster said... money does not equal respect by any means. So, with that said... how did the Packers "disrespect" Walker? Answer... they didnt.
 
when your QB calls you out for holding out, questioning your team spirit, and then that QB does the same thing the next year? I'd be calling him a hypocrite and Yeah, I'd feel disrespected, I was a Huge Brett Favre fan, he led my teams to many fantasy bowls over the years, but his actions concerning javon and the games he played holding the team hostage has made me lose all respct for him... Chmura said it all, and no doubt Brett's actions regarding Javon's coming back from his holdout, and subsequent injury have alot to do with Walker's feelings of betrayal and disrespect.

but while Brett goes out a loser at 5-11 this year, Javon will be fighting to win a championship in Denver. so in the end it evens out.
:goodposting: :goodposting: :goodposting:
 
How else to respond to a statement that has been refuted by direct quotes by the player involved?  Call it insightful?  No, I chose a word that fits by its very definition...ignorant.

Nothing arrogant about speaking the truth.
You applied your ignorant comment to the fact that 1 out of 3 people believe the Pack disrespected Walker. Walker himself said this.But because you don't think that, those 1 out of 3 people & Walker are all ignorant.

Sorry dude....but that's the epitome of insulting arrogance.
Not directly I did not apply it solely to this poll. Just that "...players...are not as ignorant as alot of the people on this board."
You certainly did apply it directly.
:jawdrop:

You know, to begin with, I really thought this was a joke of a poll.

But the fact that nearly 1 out of 3 people think the Pack disrespected Walker, does not bode well.

Bit of a  :topcat: for the organization.

If 1 out of 3 NFL players sees the Pack in the same light, it's gonna be tough for them to sign FA's at market prices.
I doubt the players see it that way...they are not as ignorant as alot of the people on this board.
You were being insultingly arrogant with what you said above and now you're being insulting to peoples intelligence, trying this spin of..."Not directly I did not apply it solely to this poll." :rolleyes:
So you think players are as ignorant as people on this board? Notice I said board...not this thread...not this poll...but this board.There is no spin needed.

I do not think there is anything arrogant about thinking that players know more than people of this board do when it comes to the NFL.

Disagreeing with that, or thinking you do know more than the players would be arrogant.

 
It is worth considering that perhaps the GB front office felt disrespected by Walker's threat to hold out while he was still under contract and therefore chose not to renegotiate.

The disrespect began, in my opinion, on Walker's side of the contract. As with TO, he is not all that smart and has an enormous ego that needs stroked. Rosenhaus comes in and tells him that he is underpaid and underappreciated and that he is the second coming of Jerry Rice and Walker believes him. Next thing you know, Javon is being disrespected by an organization who gave him his start.

This scenerio has been played out a thousand times before so I don't know why we are all talking about it.

 
Did walker say he felt Disrespected Sho Nuff ? That is the fact here, based on his actual words you are the one who is doing the Spin doctoring here. And if you;d Bother to Check your facts youd see that not one but Several Packers have left the organization claiming they were disrespected. Those are facts that you choose to ignore, you try to explain them away with your spin doctoring but it is clearly you who does not read the quotes of the players. did not Mckenzie say it as well? or were you sleeping ?
Walker stated he felt disrespected by the organization, I never denied that.

His actual words were that it was not about Favre...it is that that I disagreed with you. What about that can you not understand? It is you spinning this into arguing a completely different point.

in case you were here are a few quotes:Mckenzie:

McKenzie, who asked the Packers to redo his contract in March through then-agent Brian Parker, believes he’s steeply underpaid and that he was swindled by a management.

McKenzie told PFW on April 20 that McKenzie didn’t trust Packers management. McKenzie cited the promotion of Bob Slowik to defensive coordinator over DB coach Lionel Washington, whom McKenzie felt the players preferred. McKenzie was also angered by Green Bay’s decision to sign RCB Al Harris to a $19 million contract extension that included more than $7 million in bonuses, calling it “salt in the wound.”

Hmmm...funny, was it not me that said he was mad they promoted someone over another coach? And that he wanted more money?

Walker:"I just don't feel like this is the best place for me to be right now," said Walker, 27, preparing to enter his sixth pro season. "I really have no interest in being in a Green Bay Packers uniform or playing for Green Bay again."

Never did I deny that.

Citing recent contract squabbles with running back Ahman Green, tight end Bubba Franks, defensive lineman Grady Jackson and cornerback Mike McKenzie, as well as his own, Walker added, "I just don't like the way the organization runs itself. They want players to come up there and play hard and work hard, but when it comes time to be compensated, it's like, 'We forgot what you've done.'"
Funny he would cite some examples of two players who did things right and got their paychecks (Green and Bubba...and Bubba got much more than he should have), Grady who they could not renegotiate last season because of giving him an upfront advance earlier in the year, and McKenzie who I already spoke of...

Either way, did I ever deny he said any of this? Nope...keep up the spin.

The source of Walker's bitterness is the team's refusal even to discuss his contract, which at the time had two years remaining, the penultimate year of which paid him $515,000 the season after he made the Pro Bowl by catching 89 passes for 1,382 yards and 12 touchdowns. But Walker says that at this point, money is not the issue.
And your point? Did I ever deny this?

Favre offended Walker when he spoke out against the receiver in his contract dispute, saying he should come to training camp and not hold out. (Walker heeded the advice.) Walker believes Favre's comments made living and working in Wisconsin difficult; Walker tells of one instance when he was in a hotel and an employee announced his presence on an Internet message board for "anyone who had something to say to Javon Walker." It also angered Walker that the team allowed its iconic quarterback to interfere publicly in a teammate's business with management. He held his tongue all year.
Walker also offended Favre and others that he took his squabble public and was threatening holding out....the rest is his opinion about something a hotel manager may have written on a message board.

"There's an unwritten rule that players stick together," said Walker, still biting his tongue on Favre for the most part.
Funny you want to quote that from Walker, which is not much...but not where he says it was not Favre that made his decision...that he would not mind playing with Favre again?

While Walker is quite adamant about not sticking around in Green Bay for the final year of his contract -- whether Favre returns or not -- he promises not to be a disruption next season, because he doesn't plan to show up at all for training camp."If I had to go back there, I'd retire," he said. "I don't have to play."

Again, and your point...did I ever deny he was unhappy?

Jackson:

Before the 2005 NFL season, Jackson said he would hold-out of training camp in order to secure a new contract with the Packers. However, he reported for Training Camp on the first day. Several days later, however, Jackson told reporters that he no longer felt wanted in the Packers organization and requested to be released or traded to another team.
Where did I deny that he wanted more money. That he was unhappy with his contract? Problem is, they could not redo it next year...he is no longer with the team this year and still looking for work, because nobody wants to pay him what he wants. I guess the whole NFL is disrespecting him.

None of which changes the fact that this was about Walker (and much because of words you had about Walker and Favre), and you still want to spin this into something else.

Franks:

"I guess you can never tell until the 11th hour," Franks' agent, Gene Mato, told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel for Saturday's edition. "But unfortunately, it doesn't look like he's going to be there. However, he really wants to be there. To this point, I don't believe the team has stepped up to show him the respect he's earned." Bubba believes that he has done everything that has been asked of him from a football standpoint to be rewarded with a long-term deal. He played out his rookie contract never asking for an extension and never threatening a holdout even though he has been in three Pro Bowls. He has never complained about lack of receptions. He has always been a team player. Off the field, he has never been in any trouble."
Hmmm...he really wants to be there...never complained...never been in any trouble. Respect to him was $$$...and he got his $$$ too much IMO. But nice try citing this as something other than a player wanting more money...and forget the part that he wants to be there...

spin it any way you like but those are the players and their agents. You just refuse to listen to them. thats Ignorance on your part, and when one of your own defensive coaches tells his nephew on the Jets staff that its a Problem, I figure he knows what he's talking about. Get your head out of the sand and stop pretending to be an ostrich
Spin what? That you are bringing up some things that really do not prove your point.

1 other player besides Walker has left disgruntled...another was let go by the team (Grady).

It is ignorance on your part that you state things about Walker and Favre in direct conflict with Walker's own words. That is what I posted and disagreed about...that is what you continue to spin and use some major red herrings in trying to prove your point.

Why don't you listen to the players like Driver, Kampman, Green, Ferguson, Harris, and on and on and on...who went about things the right way...and were rewarded for it. You cite 2 examples worth anything in Walker and McKenzie...two that I never denied they were unhappy...and you think that means something?

Sorry that I do not believe an anonymous message board poster who says he knows somebody who knows somebody.

Bring something credible and tangible...or just end this....because you continue to spin this past what was originally even disagreed with.

 
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It would be worth noting the quality of the player that is leaving and yelling he was not respected or not.  Each of them are/were malcontents in their own way.  If they were HOF'ers that had a great career and then left I could see pointing the finger at the Packers organization.  However, none of these players will ever see the HOF and if anyone is wanting to claim Walker will he better have a couple 2000 yard seasons because he is far from there.  If people want to hang their hat on the words of underachieving, money hungry players that are no where near the quality of player that their contract requests would seem in indicate, well that is your problem.  Me, until Ahman Green, Brett Favre, Frank Winters, Reggie White (RIP), Sean Jones, Bubba Franks or any other number of players that have been with the franchise for more than a few  years... I will listen.  Until then, put the onus on the players because that is where it belongs.
its also worth noting that no other NFL team has this mamy high profile players go public and shout they were disrespected over a 3 year period as well. and bubba franks is one of those players, by the way.and didnt Driver have 2 years on his deal remaining ? isnt that something Thompson said he'd never do ?
No, it is not something Thompson has said he would never do.This many high profile players claiming they were disrespected? 2? Well, Bubba did not feel he was getting the respect...because they had not worked out a deal yet...but of course then they did.

McKenzie was not even under Thompson anyway...so you can really throw that one out anyway.

High profile players? Walker was...McKenzie was...and emphasize was as you hear little to nothing about the guy anymore. Grady is not high profile...and Bubba got paid and was always wanting to stay...just wanted more $$$ and got it.

 
:jawdrop:

You know, to begin with, I really thought this was a joke of a poll.

But the fact that nearly 1 out of 3 people think the Pack disrespected Walker, does not bode well.

Bit of a :topcat: for the organization.

If 1 out of 3 NFL players sees the Pack in the same light, it's gonna be tough for them to sign FA's at market prices.
[Javon Walker] Disrespected by the Packers?, Not a Walker thread, a Walker poll

Was Javon Walker Disrespected by the Packers?

Yes [ 42 ] [30.43%]

No [ 96 ] [69.57%] Total Votes: 138
Care to rethink that statement?
 
:jawdrop:

You know, to begin with, I really thought this was a joke of a poll.

But the fact that nearly 1 out of 3 people think the Pack disrespected Walker, does not bode well.

Bit of a  :topcat: for the organization.

If 1 out of 3 NFL players sees the Pack in the same light, it's gonna be tough for them to sign FA's at market prices.
[Javon Walker] Disrespected by the Packers?, Not a Walker thread, a Walker poll

Was Javon Walker Disrespected by the Packers?

Yes [ 42 ]  [30.43%]

No [ 96 ]  [69.57%] Total Votes: 138
Care to rethink that statement?
Thinking hasn't really been his strong point lately. :boxing:
 
It would be worth noting the quality of the player that is leaving and yelling he was not respected or not.  Each of them are/were malcontents in their own way.  If they were HOF'ers that had a great career and then left I could see pointing the finger at the Packers organization.  However, none of these players will ever see the HOF and if anyone is wanting to claim Walker will he better have a couple 2000 yard seasons because he is far from there.  If people want to hang their hat on the words of underachieving, money hungry players that are no where near the quality of player that their contract requests would seem in indicate, well that is your problem.  Me, until Ahman Green, Brett Favre, Frank Winters, Reggie White (RIP), Sean Jones, Bubba Franks or any other number of players that have been with the franchise for more than a few  years... I will listen.  Until then, put the onus on the players because that is where it belongs.
its also worth noting that no other NFL team has this mamy high profile players go public and shout they were disrespected over a 3 year period as well. and bubba franks is one of those players, by the way.and didnt Driver have 2 years on his deal remaining ? isnt that something Thompson said he'd never do ?
No, it is not something Thompson has said he would never do.This many high profile players claiming they were disrespected? 2? Well, Bubba did not feel he was getting the respect...because they had not worked out a deal yet...but of course then they did.

McKenzie was not even under Thompson anyway...so you can really throw that one out anyway.

High profile players? Walker was...McKenzie was...and emphasize was as you hear little to nothing about the guy anymore. Grady is not high profile...and Bubba got paid and was always wanting to stay...just wanted more $$$ and got it.
:own3d:
 
Telling the truth is not arrogance.
:lmao: You wouldn't know the truth if it smacked you in the middle of your cheesehead.
Coming from you, I take that as a compliment...since you have yet to post an actual fact on this board.
Geez, 2000 posts and I haven't stumbled across a single fact yet? Oh, I forgot, your world is only the size of Packer threads and you get to make up concepts such as "facts" and "truth." Nevermind. :hophead:

 
With the money these morons are making who cares if they are respected or not. You pay me a couple of mill a year to play football for a few months and I could care less if you respect me or not. Quit the whinning.

 
Telling the truth is not arrogance.
:lmao: You wouldn't know the truth if it smacked you in the middle of your cheesehead.
Coming from you, I take that as a compliment...since you have yet to post an actual fact on this board.
Geez, 2000 posts and I haven't stumbled across a single fact yet? Oh, I forgot, your world is only the size of Packer threads and you get to make up concepts such as "facts" and "truth." Nevermind. :hophead:
So you disagree that players know more than most posters on this board?Thanks... :rolleyes:

 
Telling the truth is not arrogance.
:lmao: You wouldn't know the truth if it smacked you in the middle of your cheesehead.
Coming from you, I take that as a compliment...since you have yet to post an actual fact on this board.
Geez, 2000 posts and I haven't stumbled across a single fact yet? Oh, I forgot, your world is only the size of Packer threads and you get to make up concepts such as "facts" and "truth." Nevermind. :hophead:
So you disagree that players know more than most posters on this board?Thanks... :rolleyes:
Is Javon Walker a player? Oh, BTW, please :link: to me saying I disagree that players know more than posters. TIA. :thumbdown: :loco:

 
Driver's situation does not equate to Walker's at all so there is no comparison there.
No comparison eh?Lets see;

They're both WR's Check

They both play(ed) for the Packer's Check

They both wanted their contracts renegotiated while still having multiple years on their existing contract Check

But there's no comparison :rolleyes:

 
:jawdrop:

You know, to begin with, I really thought this was a joke of a poll.

But the fact that nearly 1 out of 3 people think the Pack disrespected Walker, does not bode well.

Bit of a  :topcat: for the organization.

If 1 out of 3 NFL players sees the Pack in the same light, it's gonna be tough for them to sign FA's at market prices.
[Javon Walker] Disrespected by the Packers?, Not a Walker thread, a Walker poll

Was Javon Walker Disrespected by the Packers?

Yes [ 42 ]   [30.43%]

No [ 96 ]   [69.57%] Total Votes: 138
Care to rethink that statement?
Thinking hasn't really been his strong point lately. :boxing:
:confused: Is that not just about 1 out of 3 people? What exactly do I need to rethink? :loco:

 
:jawdrop:

You know, to begin with, I really thought this was a joke of a poll.

But the fact that nearly 1 out of 3 people think the Pack disrespected Walker, does not bode well.

Bit of a  :topcat: for the organization.

If 1 out of 3 NFL players sees the Pack in the same light, it's gonna be tough for them to sign FA's at market prices.
[Javon Walker] Disrespected by the Packers?, Not a Walker thread, a Walker poll

Was Javon Walker Disrespected by the Packers?

Yes [ 42 ]  [30.43%]

No [ 96 ]  [69.57%] Total Votes: 138
Care to rethink that statement?
:confused: Yes [ 46 ] [31.94%]

No [ 98 ] [68.06%] Total Votes: 144

In the tally you show, or this more recent one, it's still a fact that nearly 1 out of every 3 people voting, choose the option for the Pack disrespecting Walker.

Percentages / Numbers don't lie. 30%+ is just about 1 out of 3.

Can you explain why you feel this needs to be re-thought MrPack? :loco: :rolleyes:

 
Telling the truth is not arrogance.
:lmao: You wouldn't know the truth if it smacked you in the middle of your cheesehead.
Coming from you, I take that as a compliment...since you have yet to post an actual fact on this board.
Geez, 2000 posts and I haven't stumbled across a single fact yet? Oh, I forgot, your world is only the size of Packer threads and you get to make up concepts such as "facts" and "truth." Nevermind. :hophead:
So you disagree that players know more than most posters on this board?Thanks... :rolleyes:
Is Javon Walker a player? Oh, BTW, please :link: to me saying I disagree that players know more than posters. TIA. :thumbdown: :loco:
No need to link...look above when you say that I would not know truth. That is disagreeing to my premise (which I called truth) that players are not as ignorant as those who post here.But nice try again... :rolleyes:

 
Driver's situation does not equate to Walker's at all so there is no comparison there.
No comparison eh?Lets see;

They're both WR's Check

They both play(ed) for the Packer's Check

They both wanted their contracts renegotiated while still having multiple years on their existing contract Check

But there's no comparison :rolleyes:
A. There is a possibility that Driver was promised by the previous GM. Now, that could have been just part of the rumor about him being unhappy.B. The comparison ends there, Driver, instead of taking his dispute public and threatening things...just said he was unhappy with how talks have gone (as in Thompson probably said no at first), and instead of feeling "disrespected" he kept playing ball. He waited and got his deal. Also noted that he did it in a year where the Packers had money rather than Walker last season when they did not.

 
and didnt Driver have 2 years on his deal remaining ? isnt that something Thompson said he'd never do ?
No, it is not something Thompson has said he would never do.
Remembering that TT is basically the Packers, you're now completely contradicting what you yourself said just a little over a month ago sho nuff.
...based on what the Packers have done before with contracts and negotiating with one year left but not more...
Also, not even Packer News (very pro Green Bay) understands the Driver move.
The Packers haven’t typically extended contracts of players with more than one year remaining, so it’s unclear why they did so with Driver, 31
www.packersnews.comIt seems that depending on the what's happening, you change your view to fit the circumstances :thumbdown:

 
and  didnt Driver have 2 years on his deal remaining ? isnt that something Thompson said he'd never do ?
No, it is not something Thompson has said he would never do.
Remembering that TT is basically the Packers, you're now completely contradicting what you yourself said just a little over a month ago sho nuff.
...based on what the Packers have done before with contracts and negotiating with one year left but not more...
Also, not even Packer News (very pro Green Bay) understands the Driver move.
The Packers haven’t typically extended contracts of players with more than one year remaining, so it’s unclear why they did so with Driver, 31
www.packersnews.comIt seems that depending on the what's happening, you change your view to fit the circumstances :thumbdown:
While Thompson represents the Packers...he is not the Packers...that they have not "typically" done so with more on their contract...it is not beyond them to do.Based on what they have done before, they negotiate with one year left...as do most teams. There is nothing contradictory about that.

If I were you Id end this quest to try and prove me wrong. It was bad enough I was called arrogant for thinking posters on this board are more arrogant than NFL players.

It is unclear why they have done it. But it is not a first. Again, it may have been something that was promised to him, and he was rewarded for being the class act that he has always been rather than the malcontent that Javon Walker had become. I do not pretend to know for sure.

 
Driver's situation does not equate to Walker's at all so there is no comparison there.
No comparison eh?Lets see;

They're both WR's Check

They both play(ed) for the Packer's Check

They both wanted their contracts renegotiated while still having multiple years on their existing contract Check

But there's no comparison :rolleyes:
A. There is a possibility that Driver was promised by the previous GM. Now, that could have been just part of the rumor about him being unhappy.B. The comparison ends there, Driver, instead of taking his dispute public and threatening things...just said he was unhappy with how talks have gone (as in Thompson probably said no at first), and instead of feeling "disrespected" he kept playing ball. He waited and got his deal. Also noted that he did it in a year where the Packers had money rather than Walker last season when they did not.
A. *THERE IS A POSSIBILITY*...*RUMOR*.... that's the end of A.B. Driver certainly DID go public with his wanting a new deal as far back as Dec of last year. The only difference between Driver & Walker's situation, is that Driver did not threaten a hold out.

So why did Walker threaten the holdout?

Well, we now know that under the same circumstances as Driver (ie; multiple years remaining) Walker first privately went to Thompson about having his contract looked at, same as Driver.

This is where the situation changes though.

While Thompson did engage in talks with Driver's agent, Thompson flat out said NO! to Walker.

Walker’s bigger problem was with Thompson, the Packers’ general manager, who refused to renegotiate his contract because he had two years left on the deal.

“I said, ‘Let’s just talk about it,”’ Walker said. “It was just a flat-out, disrespectful ‘No.”
www.packersnews.comBut you're right, their situations are in no way comparable. :shrug:

 
If I were you Id end this quest to try and prove me wrong.
I haven't tried to prove you wrong.I, along with several others, have proved you wrong.

It's just that your Green & Gold blinders are so darn thick, you don't see it. :shrug:

 
From what I have heard Walkers knee injury was worse than first thought.

The Packers made a good business decision.

 
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