gianmarco
Footballguy
You should be bowing and saying the same to FBG since it was actually reported here first and you initially questioned it.Adam Schefter - Walker..out of my lineup
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Javon Walker Injury Update (1 Viewer)
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CA_7
Footballguy
Maybe the other way around? From FBG front pageThink we might have uncovered one of FBG's sources.
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
If he is available, I would grab him. He is starting to click with Cutler and you have the whole "going back to play against my old team" revenge thing going on.Marshall doesn't usually see double team coverage--this week he will after his 133 yards last week. Stokley is the man to have this week if Walker doesn't go.
packersfan
Footballguy
I agree Stokley has a chance to do well if Walker's out. Unfortunately, I also think no Walker really puts a serious hurt on Cutler. I'd be surprised if he finished with much more than 215 yards passing and 1 TD.
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
Thanks Cecil! Walker plays at 4PM, so any additional updates (i.e. listed as inactive) would be much apprecitated! Many will need to get their 1PM scrub backups off the bench if he's out.
FBGs is good. (even though the news may be bad :sad banana
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
swelling/pain in the knee that he had surgically repaired 2 years ago. Looks like something that will pop up from time to time (he was bothered by it a little in training camp as well).
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
The word "COULD" means they are not sure and they do not list a source. If the source was profootballtalk.com it doesn't mean much...if its Schefter it is a different story.You should be bowing and saying the same to FBG since it was actually reported here first and you initially questioned it.Adam Schefter - Walker..out of my lineup
I don't think I've ever used profootballtalk for a source. If I ever do, you'll know it.JThe word "COULD" means they are not sure and they do not list a source. If the source was profootballtalk.com it doesn't mean much...if its Schefter it is a different story.You should be bowing and saying the same to FBG since it was actually reported here first and you initially questioned it.
packersfan
Footballguy
Pro Football Talk is just reporting what Schefter has already reported - for what it's worth. Schefter's pretty damn good period but when it come to Broncos' info he's as tied in as anybody can be to a Shanahan-coached team. He was a beat writer there for awhile and he's still very well connected with that team. If he says Walker isn't likely to play I'd say that's a pretty strong piece of information.
Of course, Walker could wake up tomorrow and feel great so who knows.
Of course, Walker could wake up tomorrow and feel great so who knows.
Gopher State
Footballguy
If Walker doesn't play you have to really move Marshall down as he will be getting all the coverage.
packersfan
Footballguy
Agreed. And it really kills Cutler too. The positive here is Schaub passed well on the Colts last week with less talent around him than Cutler will have. But I think the Broncos may try to lean heavy on Travis Henry to keep the ball away from the Colts and to prevent the game from being put in Cutler's hands. Whether their defense can slow down the Colts' offense in order for them to carry out that plan is the question.
Gopher State
Footballguy
Agreed, Heny could have a nice game here, if Denver can stay close to indy.
So explain to me why we should think this means great numbers for Brandon Marshall? He has a gimpy QB, faces a cover 2 defense, he will draw primary coverage if not double coverage, and he's young. Other than the possibility that this is a shoot-out, why should we believe that Marshall explodes this week and should be played ahead of players like Holmes (no Ward), Coles, Cotchery, etc.? Just wondering what I am missing.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
You have much to learn, young padwan, about how to read info from us.The word "COULD" means they are not sure and they do not list a source. If the source was profootballtalk.com it doesn't mean much...if its Schefter it is a different story.You should be bowing and saying the same to FBG since it was actually reported here first and you initially questioned it.Adam Schefter - Walker..out of my lineup
Gotta give props. I read Walker might not play, came here to see if anything was posted on the boards, and now my decision is made. Thanks to all FBG's.Maybe the other way around? From FBG front pageThink we might have uncovered one of FBG's sources.
Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
#######... first loss coming up for me with Walker, Ward and Portis out and facing the LT owner...
Fantaholic
Footballguy
From Walker....
What I don't understand is why wasn't this made to be a bigger deal during camp and in the pre-season? According to the masses, Javon Walker was in line for a monster season and was "tearing it up" in camp. Maybe I was mistaken, perhaps tearing it up was meant to be taken literally as in torn cartilage, etc???
Rogi
Footballguy
Could have been preseason propaganda. Seems like every preseason players are saying they're in their best shape ever and expect to have a huge season.
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
It wasn't made into a big deal because he looked FANTASTIC in training camp. He would miss a practice here or there, but nothing that would make anyone take notice.
Fantaholic
Footballguy
Yes, he did look great. However, here's my point. You have two guys in training camp with "somewhat similar" injuries. One of them is being touted to have his breakout season with his new team, the other is being considered for a leg transplant. I am referring to J.Walker and Clinton Portis, respectively. Why was Portis' knee discussed ad nauseum, yet Walker was on the verge of becoming superman?
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packersfan
Footballguy
Because one of them was practicing nearly every day and looking sensational. The other guy didn't practice at all and nobody had the slightest clue what to expect - especially given how that player missed half of the previous season and the other one didn't miss any games.
We even had an example to go on - when I was at the Cowboys/Broncos joint practices before their preseason game, Walker got banged up and left the Thursday practice with his knee wrapped in bandages and ice. He had a precautionary MRI on the knee, and it seemed unlikely that the team would risk Walker's health by trotting him out there in a preseason game two days later. Of course, Walker started anyway - he didn't do much, but it showed me that the knee was not going to keep him off the field if it was about pain or his comfort zone playing on it. If it's bad enough to sit him this week, I won't be shocked if its also bad enough to take him out for week 5, only because their bye is week 6, and that would give them 3 weeks for the knee to get as good as its going to be and hopefully good enough to last the rest of the season (and beyond if youre optimistic about the Broncos postseason chances). If he does play next week, I'll assume that this was just an aberration, a minor setback that just needed a week to calm down, and it won't affect my valuation of him going forward this year nearly as much.
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Fantaholic
Footballguy
Substitute Portis' name for Walker's in that paragraph and it sounds almost spot on for either player. I am not denying that Portis was out all of training camp and Walker played. All I am trying to say is that there should have DEFINITELY been more made of Walker's knee in the pre-season. By more, I mean anything. There was virtually no downgrade in Walker's 2007 forecasted numbers. In fact he was being forecasted to have his best season ever. Am I saying Portis and Walker equal "apples to apples" coming into this season, no. However, they both had question marks. Portis' was over-analyzed and Walker's was kept under the rug. A small asterisk was in order next to Walker's 07 projections due to the delicate nature of a knee injury to a skill player.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
??? If there was nothing to make of it, there was nothing to make of it. There was a LOT to make of Portis NOT playing. He left guesswork out there. Walker's play on the field and in practice left the clear impression that he was healthy for the season. ??? You are asking folks to make up stuff that they don't see with their eyes. To every reporter's observation, Walker was 100% healthy - and the team was reporting him as 100% healthy and ready to go.Portis, OTO, was consistently being held out of practice and preseason games, leaving folks with speculation about the extent of the injury.
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I think you misunderstood the point of my post - they did NOT treat Walker like a guy that needed to be handled with kid gloves because his knee was shaky - that's the point of this story. I saw Walker limp off with my own eyes on a Thursday, and he played on Saturday. That is not how you treat a guy when you are worried about the soundness of his knee and its ability to hold up over the course of the season. Portis, OTOH, matched with that perfectly - its like the knee can only hold up for X mileage this year, and the Redskins wanted to save it all up for the season. The Broncos had no worries about the mileage that Walker's knee could take this year, and watching him in camp, he clearly didn't either.Substitute Portis' name for Walker's in that paragraph and it sounds almost spot on for either player. I am not denying that Portis was out all of training camp and Walker played. All I am trying to say is that there should have DEFINITELY been more made of Walker's knee in the pre-season. By more, I mean anything. There was virtually no downgrade in Walker's 2007 forecasted numbers. In fact he was being forecasted to have his best season ever. Am I saying Portis and Walker equal "apples to apples" coming into this season, no. However, they both had question marks. Portis' was over-analyzed and Walker's was kept under the rug. A small asterisk was in order next to Walker's 07 projections due to the delicate nature of a knee injury to a skill player.We even had an example to go on - when I was at the Cowboys/Broncos joint practices before their preseason game, Walker got banged up and left the Thursday practice with his knee wrapped in bandages and ice. He had a precautionary MRI on the knee, and it seemed unlikely that the team would risk Walker's health by trotting him out there in a preseason game two days later. Of course, Walker started anyway - he didn't do much, but it showed me that the knee was not going to keep him off the field if it was about pain or his comfort zone playing on it. If it's bad enough to sit him this week, I won't be shocked if its also bad enough to take him out for week 5, only because their bye is week 6, and that would give them 3 weeks for the knee to get as good as its going to be and hopefully good enough to last the rest of the season (and beyond if youre optimistic about the Broncos postseason chances). If he does play next week, I'll assume that this was just an aberration, a minor setback that just needed a week to calm down, and it won't affect my valuation of him going forward this year nearly as much.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Agreed - if the guy was not already rostered, he should be.I am starting him in two leagues as my "sneaky" play.ETA - check that, now three leagues.
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Itll be interesting to see if they leave Stokley in his role as the #3 and bump Hixon up to start, or plug Stokley in the 2 WR sets. The routes and release from the line are different enough, and Stokley is ideal as a slot receiver, that it wouldnt be insane for the Broncos to do that - trading less Stokley snaps for continuity in offense while he is out there.Either way, his share of the targets definitely goes up when Walker is out.
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Im curious as well. Marshall has jumped up on the FBG projections but I figured the injury would hurt his success. Obviously there are two sides to each coin (he gets more targets with Walker missing, but also faces more strict coverage). Stokley seems to be the primary beneficiary, but what's the general consensus on how this help/hurts Marshall?
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
I think that they will move him out wide - he practiced there all preseason while Marshall was recovering and he played well.Regardless of where he is on the field, I think Stokely is in line for 6+ catches, about 100 yards and maybe a TD or two. The other big beneficiaries of the Walker injury, however, will probably be the TEs.
It's between him and Roddy White for me this week. Think I'll stick w/ Roddy, but view Stokley as insurance in case the Walker thing lingers
Before I had any idea Walker could miss this game, I still had Marshall in my top 10. He's going to get open against a cover 2, and even if Freeney and Mathis run wild, we've seen that Cutler can buy time with the best of them. I expect 10-15 targets for Marshall, and we all know that he can break long gains on even the most innocuous target.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
From Sportsline:
Javon Walker, WR DEN
News: NFL Network reports that Broncos WR Javon Walker (knee) is not expected to play at Indianapolis in Week 4. Walker hurt his knee last week and only practiced on Friday on a limited basis.
Analysis: Expect Brandon Marshall to take on the lion's share of the receiving work for the Broncos, with Brandon Stokley and Domenik Hixon also to play a role. Don't plan on starting Walker in Week 4.
Javon Walker, WR DEN
News: NFL Network reports that Broncos WR Javon Walker (knee) is not expected to play at Indianapolis in Week 4. Walker hurt his knee last week and only practiced on Friday on a limited basis.
Analysis: Expect Brandon Marshall to take on the lion's share of the receiving work for the Broncos, with Brandon Stokley and Domenik Hixon also to play a role. Don't plan on starting Walker in Week 4.
cubbie5150
Footballguy
At this point, is anyone gonna start Javon even if it is determined he is a go today? Obviously it depends on each owner's alternative starter...
Did he even make the trip? I have a suspicion he may play.
packersfan
Footballguy
I think we have to assume he did. If he didn't, Schefter would have definitely included that in his report.
packersfan
Footballguy
For me, it's between Walker and Stokley. No other options (Arnaz Battle and Craig Davis are the best of the lot on the WW for late games - it's been picked clean in my league this week) since we can start up to 5 WRs in my league and my league has tight roster limits. I'm just gonna wait it out and see what happens. If Walker plays I really can't believe they'd just use him as a decoy. That's incredibly stupid. Why run the risk of further injuring his knee if you have no intention of utilizing him? So I'll wait until game time and see what happens.
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igbomb
Footballguy
All three of my top guys are Q/D this week, so currently I plan on starting:BurressMarshallBerrianSitting:WalkerBoldinBowe
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packersfan
Footballguy
While I think it's about 99.9% certain Walker will sit that report is just speculation since the Broncos don't have to turn in their inactives for another 3 hours.
Tony Jabroni
Footballguy
Jay Glazer reports Javon is OUT.
Steven Mann
Footballguy
Just saw that too.
packersfan
Footballguy
Welcome to the starting lineup Brandon Stokley.
jeter23
Footballguy
Broncos declared WR Javon Walker, FS John Lynch, S Hamza Abdullah, FB Mike Bell, OT Ryan Harris, TE Stephen Alexander, and DTs Amon Gordon and Sam Adams inactive for Week 4 against the Colts.
Brandon Stokley starts for Walker. It appears the Broncos are trying to shake up their rush defense by benching Adams and Gordon, who started the first three games. Bell has a concussion. Curome Cox starts for Lynch.
Brandon Stokley starts for Walker. It appears the Broncos are trying to shake up their rush defense by benching Adams and Gordon, who started the first three games. Bell has a concussion. Curome Cox starts for Lynch.
