Jeff Ireland asks Dez Bryant if his mom is a prostitute (1 Viewer)

[delusional]

Seriously. No one on earth would go to a job interview an reasonably expect the boss to ask that question. The only place that would be asked is government with some level of security involved or maybe during military training. Football is not the military. No matter how violent and hard football is, half of these guys would be crying for their momma after basic training or the potential reality of getting tortured. There are only two reasons Ireland would ask this question: to see how Bryant deals with stress/confrontation or if they had suspicion this were a true situation. If it's a test, he could have done it another way if he were more intelligent. If it was a suspicion and it really mattered in some way, then don't pick him. Asking him isn't going to accomplish anything except diminish the respect people have for the questioner. That's not good leadership.

Have those of you who THINK this is ok ever conducted interviews? If so, I am astonished.

I have. And I interviewed for engineers making 6 figure salaries. Be as astonished as you want that I won't judge what was said in private, behind closed doors without knowing the whole context of the conversation.Frankly it disgusts me to see how judgemental people like you are when you don't even know the whole conversation.

At what point does 'is your mom a prostitute?" taken justifiably in a conversation? More credit towards Dez for seriously not sticking his foot up the guys ###.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Let's just get rid of the idea that this was a job interview. Also that Ireland ask the question because he really wanted to know if she a ho. Ireland had 15 minutes to decide if his organization should drop 50 mill on a guy with known off the field issues. This was the fastest and best way to find out. It's too bad he was forced to apologize for it. And Dez running to the media to cry about it tells me Miami made a damn good decision by not drafting him. It also tells me Dez will more than likely be taking the Lawrence Phillips route out of the NFL.

 

[Rooster]

SI Story

Two sources familiar with the situation contend that Ireland's question was nothing more than the logical follow-up to comments Bryant had made about his family. According to the sources, Ireland began the meeting by asking Bryant, 21, about his upbringing and his relationship with his siblings. Then he asked what Bryant's father did for a living when Bryant was growing up. The following exchange allegedly ensued:

"My dad was a pimp."

"What did your mom do [for a living]?"

"She worked for my dad."

"Your mom was a prostitute?"

"No, she wasn't a prostitute."

Given the context, I think it reflects more poorly on how Dez has handled it than Ireland for asking.

 

[=Smackdown=]

SI Story

Two sources familiar with the situation contend that Ireland's question was nothing more than the logical follow-up to comments Bryant had made about his family. According to the sources, Ireland began the meeting by asking Bryant, 21, about his upbringing and his relationship with his siblings. Then he asked what Bryant's father did for a living when Bryant was growing up. The following exchange allegedly ensued:

"My dad was a pimp."

"What did your mom do [for a living]?"

"She worked for my dad."

"Your mom was a prostitute?"

"No, she wasn't a prostitute."

Given the context, I think it reflects more poorly on how Dez has handled it than Ireland for asking.

His opponenets on the field are going to be much worse - they'll say anything to him to try to get him off his game or force him into taking a stupid penalty.

"Hey Dez, what's the going rate for your Mom these days?"

Maybe Dez can then go to the NFL HR dept and sue due to a hostile work environment.

 

[Tyrion]

I find it silly that anyone would defend Jeff Ireland's question. Jeff Ireland didn't even defend his question.

You don't ask that question anywhere, unless your are trying to insult the other person and that should never be done when you have power over the other person. That makes you a coward and a jerk.

If you feel the only way to decide if your going to draft that person is by asking that question, then you need to take a good look at yourself and take them off your draft board.

You don't ask that question.

 

[NoFBinLA]

SI Story

Two sources familiar with the situation contend that Ireland's question was nothing more than the logical follow-up to comments Bryant had made about his family. According to the sources, Ireland began the meeting by asking Bryant, 21, about his upbringing and his relationship with his siblings. Then he asked what Bryant's father did for a living when Bryant was growing up. The following exchange allegedly ensued:

"My dad was a pimp."

"What did your mom do [for a living]?"

"She worked for my dad."

"Your mom was a prostitute?"

"No, she wasn't a prostitute."

Given the context, I think it reflects more poorly on how Dez has handled it than Ireland for asking.

As I said much earlier in the thread - this is the sort thing that happens in these interviews. He KNEW the answer and wanted to see Dez handle himself. I wouldn't like my kid asked crap in that manner but AS IT STANDS NOW this was not unusual, and is what you sometimes go through when being drafted. Though perhaps handled more incompetantly on both sides than is warranted. This all may change as time goes on but it's how things are now. (this applies to the Gerhart and Rolle issues which have come up in the thread as well).

I don't much LOVE the question and I don't for a MINUTE think Ireland didn't know the answer to BOTH question. He sought to provoke Bryant just as he will be in other situations while wearing the colors of his team on AND off the field.

I also don't think EITHER side is telling us the whole truth and think the real events lie between both stories.

 

[pollardsvision]

SI Story

Two sources familiar with the situation contend that Ireland's question was nothing more than the logical follow-up to comments Bryant had made about his family. According to the sources, Ireland began the meeting by asking Bryant, 21, about his upbringing and his relationship with his siblings. Then he asked what Bryant's father did for a living when Bryant was growing up. The following exchange allegedly ensued:

"My dad was a pimp."

"What did your mom do [for a living]?"

"She worked for my dad."

"Your mom was a prostitute?"

"No, she wasn't a prostitute."

Given the context, I think it reflects more poorly on how Dez has handled it than Ireland for asking.

His opponenets on the field are going to be much worse - they'll say anything to him to try to get him off his game or force him into taking a stupid penalty.

"Hey Dez, what's the going rate for your Mom these days?"

Maybe Dez can then go to the NFL HR dept and sue due to a hostile work environment.

If only there was some way for us to see how he handles trash talking and inappropriate comments from opponents on a football field.......

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

SI Story

Two sources familiar with the situation contend that Ireland's question was nothing more than the logical follow-up to comments Bryant had made about his family. According to the sources, Ireland began the meeting by asking Bryant, 21, about his upbringing and his relationship with his siblings. Then he asked what Bryant's father did for a living when Bryant was growing up. The following exchange allegedly ensued:

"My dad was a pimp."

"What did your mom do [for a living]?"

"She worked for my dad."

"Your mom was a prostitute?"

"No, she wasn't a prostitute."

Given the context, I think it reflects more poorly on how Dez has handled it than Ireland for asking.

Then why did Ireland apologize?

 

[Matt Waldman]

SI Story

Two sources familiar with the situation contend that Ireland's question was nothing more than the logical follow-up to comments Bryant had made about his family. According to the sources, Ireland began the meeting by asking Bryant, 21, about his upbringing and his relationship with his siblings. Then he asked what Bryant's father did for a living when Bryant was growing up. The following exchange allegedly ensued:

"My dad was a pimp."

"What did your mom do [for a living]?"

"She worked for my dad."

"Your mom was a prostitute?"

"No, she wasn't a prostitute."

Given the context, I think it reflects more poorly on how Dez has handled it than Ireland for asking.

According to Ed Werder, Bryant denied this conversation took place. So its a situation of who you believe more. Note: If this is indeed how the conversation went down, then I would gladly take back what I've said about Ireland. What puzzles me though is why Ireland felt compelled to apologize rather than explain the context of the conversation?

 

[Matt Waldman]

SI Story

Two sources familiar with the situation contend that Ireland's question was nothing more than the logical follow-up to comments Bryant had made about his family. According to the sources, Ireland began the meeting by asking Bryant, 21, about his upbringing and his relationship with his siblings. Then he asked what Bryant's father did for a living when Bryant was growing up. The following exchange allegedly ensued:

"My dad was a pimp."

"What did your mom do [for a living]?"

"She worked for my dad."

"Your mom was a prostitute?"

"No, she wasn't a prostitute."

Given the context, I think it reflects more poorly on how Dez has handled it than Ireland for asking.

I don't much LOVE the question and I don't for a MINUTE think Ireland didn't know the answer to BOTH question. He sought to provoke Bryant just as he will be in other situations while wearing the colors of his team on AND off the field.

I also don't think EITHER side is telling us the whole truth and think the real events lie between both stories.

Agreed

 

[NoFBinLA]

SI Story

Two sources familiar with the situation contend that Ireland's question was nothing more than the logical follow-up to comments Bryant had made about his family. According to the sources, Ireland began the meeting by asking Bryant, 21, about his upbringing and his relationship with his siblings. Then he asked what Bryant's father did for a living when Bryant was growing up. The following exchange allegedly ensued:

"My dad was a pimp."

"What did your mom do [for a living]?"

"She worked for my dad."

"Your mom was a prostitute?"

"No, she wasn't a prostitute."

Given the context, I think it reflects more poorly on how Dez has handled it than Ireland for asking.

Then why did Ireland apologize?

Which is why I truly believe we don't know what really happened. Some of it still doesn't add up all the way. Again, not going for Ireland's head here but I don't buy the whole 'WE WERE SO SURPRISED IT CAME UP OUT OF THE BLUE TOTALLY UNPROVOKED WHAT A SHOCKING REVELATION vibe off this story now.

 

[NoFBinLA]

I don't much LOVE the question and I don't for a MINUTE think Ireland didn't know the answer to BOTH question. He sought to provoke Bryant just as he will be in other situations while wearing the colors of his team on AND off the field.I also don't think EITHER side is telling us the whole truth and think the real events lie between both stories.

Agreed

Then let us celebrate out agreement with the joing of chocolate to milk.../simpsonsreferences

 

[pollardsvision]

SI Story

Two sources familiar with the situation contend that Ireland's question was nothing more than the logical follow-up to comments Bryant had made about his family. According to the sources, Ireland began the meeting by asking Bryant, 21, about his upbringing and his relationship with his siblings. Then he asked what Bryant's father did for a living when Bryant was growing up. The following exchange allegedly ensued:

"My dad was a pimp."

"What did your mom do [for a living]?"

"She worked for my dad."

"Your mom was a prostitute?"

"No, she wasn't a prostitute."

Given the context, I think it reflects more poorly on how Dez has handled it than Ireland for asking.

According to Ed Werder, Bryant denied this conversation took place. So its a situation of who you believe more. Note: If this is indeed how the conversation went down, then I would gladly take back what I've said about Ireland. What puzzles me though is why Ireland felt compelled to apologize rather than explain the context of the conversation?

Do most teams record these pre-draft interviews? I would've thought that they do, especially with the in-depth psychoanalysis that NFL GMs are apparently capable of.

A simple, "We'd never want to show the tapes publicly, but we'd be willing to if Dez feels like they'll help people understand why he was offended" might help this story go away.

 

[az_prof]

Two sources familiar with the situation

Personally, I put little stock in what some unnamed source says in private. Who are the 'sources familiar with the situation"? Why are they afraid to name themselves? SSOG cited the same person (rather non-person) to bag on Marshall and claim that the team cheered when he was traded.

I used to work as a public servant and when the local media interviewed me it was always on the record. There were other people in the local government who went off record and they did it so that they could twist the truth to manipulate public perception.

In these cases, staff within the teams' front offices have motive to distort what happened for public perception. Miami's front office comes off looking highly insensitive and out of touch, and Denver's just traded away a franchise WR after previously doing the same with their franchise QB.

Until someone is willing to man up and stand behind what they say I give these kinds of stories ZERO credit.

 

[Chase Stuart]

His opponenets on the field are going to be much worse - they'll say anything to him to try to get him off his game or force him into taking a stupid penalty."Hey Dez, what's the going rate for your Mom these days?"Maybe Dez can then go to the NFL HR dept and sue due to a hostile work environment.

So do you think no question is off limits if it's possible an opponent will say it?

 

[Reacher]

His opponenets on the field are going to be much worse - they'll say anything to him to try to get him off his game or force him into taking a stupid penalty."Hey Dez, what's the going rate for your Mom these days?"Maybe Dez can then go to the NFL HR dept and sue due to a hostile work environment.

So do you think no question is off limits if it's possible an opponent will say it?

Also is it the same thing when your opponent and peer says something to you and when someone who is in a higher position says something?If a Cornerback talks trash to him, he can burn him on the field or knock his block off durig the next play. Heck he can even respond in kind. When a Coach or GM says the same thing, he is left with little in the way of response.

 

[Faust]

It isn't just on the field where Dez will hear these comments from opposing players, he will hear it when he goes out at night to clubs and that is an even bigger risk for a team. A 15 yard penalty can be much easier to overcome then your player being arrested for getting in a fight.

I am not saying that it makes the question justified, but I can see why NFL execs want to know what his reaction will be.

 

[Reacher]

It isn't just on the field where Dez will hear these comments from opposing players, he will hear it when he goes out at night to clubs and that is an even bigger risk for a team. A 15 yard penalty can be much easier to overcome then your player being arrested for getting in a fight.I am not saying that it makes the question justified, but I can see why NFL execs want to know what his reaction will be.

Then they need to ask that of every potential player.

 

[=Smackdown=]

His opponenets on the field are going to be much worse - they'll say anything to him to try to get him off his game or force him into taking a stupid penalty."Hey Dez, what's the going rate for your Mom these days?"Maybe Dez can then go to the NFL HR dept and sue due to a hostile work environment.

So do you think no question is off limits if it's possible an opponent will say it?

I think you're being awfully naive if you think Ireland is the first and or only GM to ask these types of questions to a potential player.

 

[Dexter Manley]

I wanted to correct on thing I said in here a couple days ago. All these talking heads on ESPN have been saying that the interview took place at the combine so that's what I said in response to one of MOP's posts talking about the timing of the Brandon Marshall deal.

Well yesterday I caught some show on ESPN and Vinnie Cerrato of all people corrected the guy he was arguing about this with that the Ireland-Dez Bryant interview took place at the Dolphins facility, not at the combine. I have no idea when the interview took place. Nor can I confirm that Cerrato is right and everyone else has been misreporting this.

If Cerrato is correct, then my perception of ESPN as a news source just got lower, which I didn't think was possible, as I've heard on multiple shows that the Ireland question was asked during a combine interview.

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

His opponenets on the field are going to be much worse - they'll say anything to him to try to get him off his game or force him into taking a stupid penalty."Hey Dez, what's the going rate for your Mom these days?"Maybe Dez can then go to the NFL HR dept and sue due to a hostile work environment.

So do you think no question is off limits if it's possible an opponent will say it?

I think you're being awfully naive if you think Ireland is the first and or only GM to ask these types of questions to a potential player.

I'm guessing this is the first time a GM asked a potential player if his mom was a prostitute. Again, there is just absolutely no need for that question to be asked.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Does he have any sisters or Aunts?

 

[Yankee23Fan]

I still haven't heard one reason why there is anything wrong with asking the question except for it being really really off the wall in most instances. If I owned a professional sports team I would ask every single question I could think of of any potential draftee. I really don't care about their initial feelings regarding the questions.

Side note if anyone has asked this and I missed it - with the blowback on this by the player's union, I wonder if this will further make teams stay away from problem players. You have the player's union basically saying now that any question that they deem disrespectful is just that, so why even talk to someone where such a potential question is important to ask? You have two WR's to target. One had drug issues and family issues in the past, one didn't. If they are relatively close in talent, or at least value where you are targeting them, all this episode does is tell me that the non drug history player gets that much more love. Which means this is fastly becoming a never ending cycle where we learn every awful tidbit about these guys somehow because the media tries to reason why someone isn't getting drafted and why someone else is.

 

[pollardsvision]

It isn't just on the field where Dez will hear these comments from opposing players, he will hear it when he goes out at night to clubs and that is an even bigger risk for a team. A 15 yard penalty can be much easier to overcome then your player being arrested for getting in a fight.I am not saying that it makes the question justified, but I can see why NFL execs want to know what his reaction will be.

I tell you what would be an even better idea:Have players bring their girlfriends, jump-offs, and/or wives to the interview. GM should then call the player a punk and grab the GF's ###. What better way to find out what the player might do when confronted at a bar.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

SI Story

Two sources familiar with the situation contend that Ireland's question was nothing more than the logical follow-up to comments Bryant had made about his family. According to the sources, Ireland began the meeting by asking Bryant, 21, about his upbringing and his relationship with his siblings. Then he asked what Bryant's father did for a living when Bryant was growing up. The following exchange allegedly ensued:

"My dad was a pimp."

"What did your mom do [for a living]?"

"She worked for my dad."

"Your mom was a prostitute?"

"No, she wasn't a prostitute."

Given the context, I think it reflects more poorly on how Dez has handled it than Ireland for asking.

Dez was asked about this by Ed Werder today and Dez said "that's a lie" regarding the line of questioning. Dez also said he wanted to put this interview thing behind him and move on.

 

[phthalatemagic]

You guys are so overboard with this.

 

[Reacher]

It isn't just on the field where Dez will hear these comments from opposing players, he will hear it when he goes out at night to clubs and that is an even bigger risk for a team. A 15 yard penalty can be much easier to overcome then your player being arrested for getting in a fight.I am not saying that it makes the question justified, but I can see why NFL execs want to know what his reaction will be.

I tell you what would be an even better idea:Have players bring their girlfriends, jump-offs, and/or wives to the interview. GM should then call the player a punk and grab the GF's ###. What better way to find out what the player might do when confronted at a bar.

I agree. I mean under normal circumstances this would be rude, unethical, and socially unacceptable behavior but since they are going to be paying these guys a bunch of money its the only prudent thing to do.In fact I think that should be a required procedure in every job interview where the applicant is going to make six figures. Just makes sense.

 

[mdlane]

SI Story

Two sources familiar with the situation contend that Ireland's question was nothing more than the logical follow-up to comments Bryant had made about his family. According to the sources, Ireland began the meeting by asking Bryant, 21, about his upbringing and his relationship with his siblings. Then he asked what Bryant's father did for a living when Bryant was growing up. The following exchange allegedly ensued:

"My dad was a pimp."

"What did your mom do [for a living]?"

"She worked for my dad."

"Your mom was a prostitute?"

"No, she wasn't a prostitute."

Given the context, I think it reflects more poorly on how Dez has handled it than Ireland for asking.

This version is clearly a lie, or (1) Ireland would have come out and said it himself, and (2) Ireland would not have already apologized days ago before releasing this lie through "unnamed sources." Personally, I think spreading lies and/or lacking the courage and conviction to stand behind your own words reflects as poorly on Ireland's character as any non-violent action could.

 

[fatness]

On the same day that Jim Trotter of SI.com reported -- and a large chunk of the football-following world accepted without scrutiny -- that Dolphins G.M. Jeff Ireland asked receiver Dez Bryant if his mother was a prostitute after he volunteered that his father is a pimp and that his mother works for him, Bryant called the "context" information provided on an off-the-record basis by the Dolphins "a lie."

Ed Werder of ESPN reports that Bryant was resolute in two separate discussions regarding the story that the Dolphins have been pushing privately and without anyone from the organization going on the record. The franchise's official position, as we pointed out earlier today, is that it doesn't know where the leaked report came from. (We've got a feeling no one on the business side of the operation has the nerve to ask V.P. of football operations Bill Parcells whether he knows anything about the situation.)

Meanwhile, Bryant separately told Mike Silver of Yahoo! Sports that the unnamed Dolphins sources are "lying," and that Bryant did not say his father is a pimp.

Again, we realize that Bryant has lied in the past. But football coaches and executives lie all the time. More importantly, in this case Bryant is providing his position directly. The Dolphins aren't. Unless and until Ireland, Parcells, or someone else repeats the team's unofficial version of the events via a written statement or a press conference, we're going to believe the guy who has opted not to hide behind anonymity.

Link

 

[fatness]

Let's just get rid of the idea that this was a job interview. Also that Ireland ask the question because he really wanted to know if she a ho. Ireland had 15 minutes to decide if his organization should drop 50 mill on a guy with known off the field issues.

In other words it was a job interview.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

So this is the kid of a 15 year old crack dealing mom AND a pimp and he's acting THIS butt hurt over this question??? Something tells me he has heard wayyyyyy worse then this in his upbringing.

Then to broadcast it....this will be said to him forever and he did it to himself.

Also, for the people who continue to act as if is a regular job and job interview. What happens at your job if your co-workers curse at you and get into a scuffle? Sort of what happens at an NFL practice or is this a compare apples to apples where we see fit conversation?

 

[ookook]

Because I think that questions are basically fine if everone is asked the same sort of thing. And because I believe a white player is less likely to be asked if his mother were a prostitute.In other words, as long as you were to ask both black and white people the same question and were willing to live with the consequences (top applicants turning you down and word-of-mouth hurting future recruitment), it is okay.But I think they would likely not have asked the same of white player and the negative consequences outweight the the probative value.To me, the only moral or ethical question (versus good practice, different issue) is about disparate treatment. I am guessing no white player was asked same. Race of inteviewer is irrelevant.

So is there some stereotype that I'm unaware of where black women are more likely to be prostitutes? Dez's mother was brought into question because of her history, not her skin color. The only person openly discriminated against in regards to their skin color in this process was a white guy.

Why yes, there is that sterotype that black women are more likely to be crackheads and whores. I am not remotely suggesting I agree with it, but it is out there. Surprised you are not aware of it, but I would guess a black woman would tell you they have encountered it more than once.BTW, it doesn't matter why someone SAYS they only asked the black guy the question, if it was asked the same thing it is disparate treatment. Typically, there are pretextual reasons proferred by those asking the questions.Please tell us who the white guy is who was discriminated against?

 

[az_prof]

Let's just get rid of the idea that this was a job interview. Also that Ireland ask the question because he really wanted to know if she a ho. Ireland had 15 minutes to decide if his organization should drop 50 mill on a guy with known off the field issues.

In other words it was a job interview.

 

[Rooster]

SI Story

Two sources familiar with the situation contend that Ireland's question was nothing more than the logical follow-up to comments Bryant had made about his family. According to the sources, Ireland began the meeting by asking Bryant, 21, about his upbringing and his relationship with his siblings. Then he asked what Bryant's father did for a living when Bryant was growing up. The following exchange allegedly ensued:

"My dad was a pimp."

"What did your mom do [for a living]?"

"She worked for my dad."

"Your mom was a prostitute?"

"No, she wasn't a prostitute."

Given the context, I think it reflects more poorly on how Dez has handled it than Ireland for asking.

Then why did Ireland apologize?

It seems like this version is in dispute, but if we assume it went down like the SI article said, I could see Ireland apologizing to get it over with, especially if he thought Dez truly was offended. I've done things I didn't think were necessarily wrong and offended people and I've apologized before, a public figure doing so when the laundry is being aired through the media would have even more incentive to go that route I think. Maybe Ireland is a huge jerk or maybe this was a calculated question to gauge a response, but my belief is that something along the lines of that conversation happened, maybe not as pro-Ireland as leaked, but some situation where that question was questionably within the realm of being relevant within the context of the conversation but it offended Dez. I think it would be unreasonable if Dez were offended if it went down like above, it's clearly a simple miscommunication and misunderstanding. I choose to believe that most people act reasonably until proven otherwise and coming out of left field with "Is your mom a prostitute" doesn't fit acting reasonably to me and, in retrospect, Dez getting offended at the conversation above doesn't fit that either. Some gray area in between is the likely answer.

 

[Daywalker]

How will he handle trash-talking on the field?

I'm going to go out on the limb and say he's heard trash talk on the field before.

 

[Reacher]

Before the page is turned, SI.com reported Friday that when Ireland asked Bryant what his father did for a living, the receiver answered that his father was a pimp. Ireland followed by asking Bryant what his mother does. Bryant reportedly responded by saying that his mother worked for his father, which led Ireland to ask Bryant if his mother was a prostitute.

"No sir, that was a lie," Bryant said. "But I really don't want to speak on it anymore.

"It did bother me, but it doesn't bother me anymore. I'm fine, my family is fine. We're great. We got a lot of criticism, but things are great now. I'm happy, my family is happy. That is all that matters."

You just can't handle the situation better than that. Great job Dez. Keep up the good work and the great attitude.

I really like this kid and am glad he is a Cowboy.

 

[Kowskull]

Before the page is turned, SI.com reported Friday that when Ireland asked Bryant what his father did for a living, the receiver answered that his father was a pimp. Ireland followed by asking Bryant what his mother does. Bryant reportedly responded by saying that his mother worked for his father, which led Ireland to ask Bryant if his mother was a prostitute.

"No sir, that was a lie," Bryant said. "But I really don't want to speak on it anymore.

"It did bother me, but it doesn't bother me anymore. I'm fine, my family is fine. We're great. We got a lot of criticism, but things are great now. I'm happy, my family is happy. That is all that matters."

You just can't handle the situation better than that. Great job Dez. Keep up the good work and the great attitude.

I really like this kid and am glad he is a Cowboy.

I would have like him better if he would have kept his mouth shut and showed up in football shape. Lots of people go thru tuff things everyday and dont whine about it. Pat Kirwan wrote a pretty good article here http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8...mp;confirm=true

 

[Reacher]

Before the page is turned, SI.com reported Friday that when Ireland asked Bryant what his father did for a living, the receiver answered that his father was a pimp. Ireland followed by asking Bryant what his mother does. Bryant reportedly responded by saying that his mother worked for his father, which led Ireland to ask Bryant if his mother was a prostitute.

"No sir, that was a lie," Bryant said. "But I really don't want to speak on it anymore.

"It did bother me, but it doesn't bother me anymore. I'm fine, my family is fine. We're great. We got a lot of criticism, but things are great now. I'm happy, my family is happy. That is all that matters."

You just can't handle the situation better than that. Great job Dez. Keep up the good work and the great attitude.

I really like this kid and am glad he is a Cowboy.

I would have like him better if he would have kept his mouth shut and showed up in football shape. Lots of people go thru tuff things everyday and dont whine about it. Pat Kirwan wrote a pretty good article here http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8...mp;confirm=true

Yeah I feel the same way about people who have to go through descrimination and abuse. Just keep your mouth shut and don't bring it up. Just look what talking as done to the work place already. I mean I can't keep photos of topless women in my teacher's lounge just because some broad might get offended and run to their Teacher's union about it. What's the world coming to?

Just a heads up. Dallas's rookie camp is designed to wear out the rookies so that they know what will be expected of them. That is one of the reasons why they don't have more players involved. It allows them to give the young players more work. Oh and he looked incredible running routes and catching the ball.

PS

And as a Texans' fan I bet there was no chance that you were going to like him anway. Am I right?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Because I think that questions are basically fine if everone is asked the same sort of thing. And because I believe a white player is less likely to be asked if his mother were a prostitute.

In other words, as long as you were to ask both black and white people the same question and were willing to live with the consequences (top applicants turning you down and word-of-mouth hurting future recruitment), it is okay.

But I think they would likely not have asked the same of white player and the negative consequences outweight the the probative value.

To me, the only moral or ethical question (versus good practice, different issue) is about disparate treatment. I am guessing no white player was asked same. Race of inteviewer is irrelevant.

So is there some stereotype that I'm unaware of where black women are more likely to be prostitutes? Dez's mother was brought into question because of her history, not her skin color. The only person openly discriminated against in regards to their skin color in this process was a white guy.

Why yes, there is that sterotype that black women are more likely to be crackheads and whores. I am not remotely suggesting I agree with it, but it is out there. Surprised you are not aware of it, but I would guess a black woman would tell you they have encountered it more than once.

BTW, it doesn't matter why someone SAYS they only asked the black guy the question, if it was asked the same thing it is disparate treatment. Typically, there are pretextual reasons proferred by those asking the questions.

Please tell us who the white guy is who was discriminated against?

"Do you feel like you are entitled to something for being a white running back?""Do you feel that you are a poster child for other white running backs?"

Questions asked to Toby Gerhart (paraphrased, I don't remember the exact phrasing but it's pretty close to that). Now, again, replace "white runningback" with "black quarterback" and tell me we don't have a 50 page thread on these boards about it that completely overshadows this Dez Bryant nonsense.

 

[fatness]

So this is the kid of a 15 year old crack dealing mom AND a pimp

I don't remember reading that his father was a pimp. Link?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Because I think that questions are basically fine if everone is asked the same sort of thing. And because I believe a white player is less likely to be asked if his mother were a prostitute.

In other words, as long as you were to ask both black and white people the same question and were willing to live with the consequences (top applicants turning you down and word-of-mouth hurting future recruitment), it is okay.

But I think they would likely not have asked the same of white player and the negative consequences outweight the the probative value.

To me, the only moral or ethical question (versus good practice, different issue) is about disparate treatment. I am guessing no white player was asked same. Race of inteviewer is irrelevant.

So is there some stereotype that I'm unaware of where black women are more likely to be prostitutes? Dez's mother was brought into question because of her history, not her skin color. The only person openly discriminated against in regards to their skin color in this process was a white guy.

Why yes, there is that sterotype that black women are more likely to be crackheads and whores. I am not remotely suggesting I agree with it, but it is out there. Surprised you are not aware of it, but I would guess a black woman would tell you they have encountered it more than once.

BTW, it doesn't matter why someone SAYS they only asked the black guy the question, if it was asked the same thing it is disparate treatment. Typically, there are pretextual reasons proferred by those asking the questions.

Please tell us who the white guy is who was discriminated against?

"Do you feel like you are entitled to something for being a white running back?""Do you feel that you are a poster child for other white running backs?"

Questions asked to Toby Gerhart (paraphrased, I don't remember the exact phrasing but it's pretty close to that). Now, again, replace "white runningback" with "black quarterback" and tell me we don't have a 50 page thread on these boards about it that completely overshadows this Dez Bryant nonsense.

Without question anyone who disagrees is just not living on this planet.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

So this is the kid of a 15 year old crack dealing mom AND a pimp

I don't remember reading that his father was a pimp. Link?

Feel free to google it or search the many already here in this thread.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Before the page is turned, SI.com reported Friday that when Ireland asked Bryant what his father did for a living, the receiver answered that his father was a pimp. Ireland followed by asking Bryant what his mother does. Bryant reportedly responded by saying that his mother worked for his father, which led Ireland to ask Bryant if his mother was a prostitute.

"No sir, that was a lie," Bryant said. "But I really don't want to speak on it anymore.

"It did bother me, but it doesn't bother me anymore. I'm fine, my family is fine. We're great. We got a lot of criticism, but things are great now. I'm happy, my family is happy. That is all that matters."

You just can't handle the situation better than that. Great job Dez. Keep up the good work and the great attitude.

I really like this kid and am glad he is a Cowboy.

And I bet Bryant is more believable than Ireland in this instance?I really don't understand the purpose of posting Ireland's resume here, like we are uncovering some big info. Yeah Waldeman, his daddy probably got him a job. Nepotism gets in you in the door, unless you think Parcells will promote someone that doesn't know football to GM. That sounds pretty reckless for Parcells.

 

[Reacher]

So this is the kid of a 15 year old crack dealing mom AND a pimp

I don't remember reading that his father was a pimp. Link?

Feel free to google it or search the many already here in this thread.

I have heard the report from an unnamed source, that Dez said his Dad was a pimp, but Dez denies the report.

Is there a link to a source that his father was in reality a pimp or are you going on the unnamed report? A report that Jeff Ireland has not supported btw or used as a defense. He simply said that the question was inappropriate and appologized.

Edited to add response to "pht......"

And I bet Bryant is more believable than Ireland in this instance?

I think Ireland is very believable. He has been a stand up guy and admitted that the question was inappropriate and appologized. I agree with him.

 

[Kowskull]

Before the page is turned, SI.com reported Friday that when Ireland asked Bryant what his father did for a living, the receiver answered that his father was a pimp. Ireland followed by asking Bryant what his mother does. Bryant reportedly responded by saying that his mother worked for his father, which led Ireland to ask Bryant if his mother was a prostitute.

"No sir, that was a lie," Bryant said. "But I really don't want to speak on it anymore.

"It did bother me, but it doesn't bother me anymore. I'm fine, my family is fine. We're great. We got a lot of criticism, but things are great now. I'm happy, my family is happy. That is all that matters."

You just can't handle the situation better than that. Great job Dez. Keep up the good work and the great attitude.

I really like this kid and am glad he is a Cowboy.

I would have like him better if he would have kept his mouth shut and showed up in football shape. Lots of people go thru tuff things everyday and dont whine about it. Pat Kirwan wrote a pretty good article here http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8...mp;confirm=true

Yeah I feel the same way about people who have to go through descrimination and abuse. Just keep your mouth shut and don't bring it up. Just look what talking as done to the work place already. I mean I can't keep photos of topless women in my teacher's lounge just because some broad might get offended and run to their Teacher's union about it. What's the world coming to?

Just a heads up. Dallas's rookie camp is designed to wear out the rookies so that they know what will be expected of them. That is one of the reasons why they don't have more players involved. It allows them to give the young players more work. Oh and he looked incredible running routes and catching the ball.

PS

And as a Texans' fan I bet there was no chance that you were going to like him anway. Am I right?

Texan and Cowboy fan you know what you are when you start ASSuming

All rookie camps are designed that way..lol

(KFFL) Dallas Cowboys WR Dez Bryant was able to catch almost everything thrown his way during the team's first workout Friday, April 30, but he needed to walk off to the side of the field to rest after almost every route, reports the Dallas Morning News' David Moore. After one play, Bryant needed to use his helmet to prop himself up and bent down on one knee for nearly a minute.

(Rotoworld) First-round pick Dez Bryant has reportedly "looked out of shape" at Cowboys rookie minicamp.

And yes shut up and play football no discrimination or abuse took place it is statements like this from people like you that who make a mountain out of a moe hill

 

[phthalatemagic]

Edited to add response to "pht......"

And I bet Bryant is more believable than Ireland in this instance?

I think Ireland is very believable. He has been a stand up guy and admitted that the question was inappropriate and appologized. I agree with him.

Do you think Bryant lied when he said that SI report is untrue?

 

[Ranethe]

Before the page is turned, SI.com reported Friday that when Ireland asked Bryant what his father did for a living, the receiver answered that his father was a pimp. Ireland followed by asking Bryant what his mother does. Bryant reportedly responded by saying that his mother worked for his father, which led Ireland to ask Bryant if his mother was a prostitute.

"No sir, that was a lie," Bryant said. "But I really don't want to speak on it anymore.

"It did bother me, but it doesn't bother me anymore. I'm fine, my family is fine. We're great. We got a lot of criticism, but things are great now. I'm happy, my family is happy. That is all that matters."

You just can't handle the situation better than that. Great job Dez. Keep up the good work and the great attitude.

I really like this kid and am glad he is a Cowboy.

I would have like him better if he would have kept his mouth shut and showed up in football shape. Lots of people go thru tuff things everyday and dont whine about it. Pat Kirwan wrote a pretty good article here http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8...mp;confirm=true

Yeah I feel the same way about people who have to go through descrimination and abuse. Just keep your mouth shut and don't bring it up. Just look what talking as done to the work place already. I mean I can't keep photos of topless women in my teacher's lounge just because some broad might get offended and run to their Teacher's union about it. What's the world coming to?

Just a heads up. Dallas's rookie camp is designed to wear out the rookies so that they know what will be expected of them. That is one of the reasons why they don't have more players involved. It allows them to give the young players more work. Oh and he looked incredible running routes and catching the ball.

PS

And as a Texans' fan I bet there was no chance that you were going to like him anway. Am I right?

Texan and Cowboy fan you know what you are when you start ASSuming

All rookie camps are designed that way..lol

(KFFL) Dallas Cowboys WR Dez Bryant was able to catch almost everything thrown his way during the team's first workout Friday, April 30, but he needed to walk off to the side of the field to rest after almost every route, reports the Dallas Morning News' David Moore. After one play, Bryant needed to use his helmet to prop himself up and bent down on one knee for nearly a minute.

(Rotoworld) First-round pick Dez Bryant has reportedly "looked out of shape" at Cowboys rookie minicamp.

And yes shut up and play football no discrimination or abuse took place it is statements like this from people like you that who make a mountain out of a moe hill

Whole lot of stupid in this thread.

 

[Reacher]

Before the page is turned, SI.com reported Friday that when Ireland asked Bryant what his father did for a living, the receiver answered that his father was a pimp. Ireland followed by asking Bryant what his mother does. Bryant reportedly responded by saying that his mother worked for his father, which led Ireland to ask Bryant if his mother was a prostitute.

"No sir, that was a lie," Bryant said. "But I really don't want to speak on it anymore.

"It did bother me, but it doesn't bother me anymore. I'm fine, my family is fine. We're great. We got a lot of criticism, but things are great now. I'm happy, my family is happy. That is all that matters."

You just can't handle the situation better than that. Great job Dez. Keep up the good work and the great attitude.

I really like this kid and am glad he is a Cowboy.

I would have like him better if he would have kept his mouth shut and showed up in football shape. Lots of people go thru tuff things everyday and dont whine about it. Pat Kirwan wrote a pretty good article here http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8...mp;confirm=true

Yeah I feel the same way about people who have to go through descrimination and abuse. Just keep your mouth shut and don't bring it up. Just look what talking as done to the work place already. I mean I can't keep photos of topless women in my teacher's lounge just because some broad might get offended and run to their Teacher's union about it. What's the world coming to?

Just a heads up. Dallas's rookie camp is designed to wear out the rookies so that they know what will be expected of them. That is one of the reasons why they don't have more players involved. It allows them to give the young players more work. Oh and he looked incredible running routes and catching the ball.

PS

And as a Texans' fan I bet there was no chance that you were going to like him anway. Am I right?

Texan and Cowboy fan you know what you are when you start ASSuming

All rookie camps are designed that way..lol

(KFFL) Dallas Cowboys WR Dez Bryant was able to catch almost everything thrown his way during the team's first workout Friday, April 30, but he needed to walk off to the side of the field to rest after almost every route, reports the Dallas Morning News' David Moore. After one play, Bryant needed to use his helmet to prop himself up and bent down on one knee for nearly a minute.

(Rotoworld) First-round pick Dez Bryant has reportedly "looked out of shape" at Cowboys rookie minicamp.

And yes shut up and play football no discrimination or abuse took place it is statements like this from people like you that who make a mountain out of a moe hill

Texan and Cowboy fan you know what you are when you start ASSuming Yup the Texan fan logo and the fact that I don't ever remember seeing you in the Dallas Cowboys offseason thread threw me off. Being a Cowboy fan and living in Houston I can say that I have now seen everything.

I have seen Dallas fans who like the Texans as a second team (I am one of them. Actually I am kind of indifferent. I hope they do well without putting much actual effort or passion into it.) but most Texans fans hate Dallas with a passion, as anyone that listens to sports radio in the area can attest.

All rookie camps are designed that way..lol

Wade Phillips and I disagree with you on all rookie camps being run this way.

"You could bring in more players, a lot of people do," Wade Phillips said. "They bring in more players, they have team (drills) and they don't have as many reps. That's why we do it the way we do it, because I like to get that over to them. Hey, it's going to take a lot physically, it's going to take a lot mentally..."

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/news.cfm...C36961EB0356071

"Conditioning will be an issue for the Cowboys' entire group of 20-plus draft picks and rookie free agents (all in all, 35 players are in camp, including several eligible first-year veterans) over the next three days. Two practices are scheduled for Saturday, with one final workout on Sunday.

The last four months have been one extensive job interview. They've showcased their skills at various Pro Days or the NFL Scouting Combine but haven't had time to maintain a normal training routine........."

Said Sherman: "He'll be fine. It's a good learning experience. I told them in the beginning, 'One thing you guys don't understand is you're going to run more than you ever have in your life.' And they kind of look at you like, 'OK.' And then they get out here and we put them through everything and they see what you're talking about."

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/news.cfm...067DDC08DD9873A

 

[Reacher]

Edited to add response to "pht......"

And I bet Bryant is more believable than Ireland in this instance?

I think Ireland is very believable. He has been a stand up guy and admitted that the question was inappropriate and appologized. I agree with him.

Do you think Bryant lied when he said that SI report is untrue?

No I don't. I think if that report was true then Jeff Ireland would have brought it up when the subject was first introduced.

Jeff Ireland went to too much trouble to call Jerry Jones and ask permission to appologize to Dez Bryant for me to think that there was an easy transition to that question.

 

[Kowskull]

Before the page is turned, SI.com reported Friday that when Ireland asked Bryant what his father did for a living, the receiver answered that his father was a pimp. Ireland followed by asking Bryant what his mother does. Bryant reportedly responded by saying that his mother worked for his father, which led Ireland to ask Bryant if his mother was a prostitute.

"No sir, that was a lie," Bryant said. "But I really don't want to speak on it anymore.

"It did bother me, but it doesn't bother me anymore. I'm fine, my family is fine. We're great. We got a lot of criticism, but things are great now. I'm happy, my family is happy. That is all that matters."

You just can't handle the situation better than that. Great job Dez. Keep up the good work and the great attitude.

I really like this kid and am glad he is a Cowboy.

I would have like him better if he would have kept his mouth shut and showed up in football shape. Lots of people go thru tuff things everyday and dont whine about it. Pat Kirwan wrote a pretty good article here http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8...mp;confirm=true

Yeah I feel the same way about people who have to go through descrimination and abuse. Just keep your mouth shut and don't bring it up. Just look what talking as done to the work place already. I mean I can't keep photos of topless women in my teacher's lounge just because some broad might get offended and run to their Teacher's union about it. What's the world coming to?

Just a heads up. Dallas's rookie camp is designed to wear out the rookies so that they know what will be expected of them. That is one of the reasons why they don't have more players involved. It allows them to give the young players more work. Oh and he looked incredible running routes and catching the ball.

PS

And as a Texans' fan I bet there was no chance that you were going to like him anway. Am I right?

Texan and Cowboy fan you know what you are when you start ASSuming

All rookie camps are designed that way..lol

(KFFL) Dallas Cowboys WR Dez Bryant was able to catch almost everything thrown his way during the team's first workout Friday, April 30, but he needed to walk off to the side of the field to rest after almost every route, reports the Dallas Morning News' David Moore. After one play, Bryant needed to use his helmet to prop himself up and bent down on one knee for nearly a minute.

(Rotoworld) First-round pick Dez Bryant has reportedly "looked out of shape" at Cowboys rookie minicamp.

And yes shut up and play football no discrimination or abuse took place it is statements like this from people like you that who make a mountain out of a moe hill

Texan and Cowboy fan you know what you are when you start ASSuming Yup the Texan fan logo and the fact that I don't ever remember seeing you in the Dallas Cowboys offseason thread threw me off. Being a Cowboy fan and living in Houston I can say that I have now seen everything.

I have seen Dallas fans who like the Texans as a second team (I am one of them. Actually I am kind of indifferent. I hope they do well without putting much actual effort or passion into it.) but most Texans fans hate Dallas with a passion, as anyone that listens to sports radio in the area can attest.

All rookie camps are designed that way..lol

Wade Phillips and I disagree with you on all rookie camps being run this way.

"You could bring in more players, a lot of people do," Wade Phillips said. "They bring in more players, they have team (drills) and they don't have as many reps. That's why we do it the way we do it, because I like to get that over to them. Hey, it's going to take a lot physically, it's going to take a lot mentally..."

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/news.cfm...C36961EB0356071

"Conditioning will be an issue for the Cowboys' entire group of 20-plus draft picks and rookie free agents (all in all, 35 players are in camp, including several eligible first-year veterans) over the next three days. Two practices are scheduled for Saturday, with one final workout on Sunday.

The last four months have been one extensive job interview. They've showcased their skills at various Pro Days or the NFL Scouting Combine but haven't had time to maintain a normal training routine........."

Said Sherman: "He'll be fine. It's a good learning experience. I told them in the beginning, 'One thing you guys don't understand is you're going to run more than you ever have in your life.' And they kind of look at you like, 'OK.' And then they get out here and we put them through everything and they see what you're talking about."

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/news.cfm...067DDC08DD9873A

I see your post all the time in Cowboys thread. I dont post alot read mostly. We will just agree to disagree on this. Glad you think Dallas rookie camp is special,,, I am sure Joe Mcknight wouldnt agree with you after he threw up on Rex Ryan..... Living in NE Texas is easy to like both dont get the hate? Now if they were in same division.........