Jeopardy Baby, Ooooh-ooh-oooooh (3 Viewers)

Mr. Mojo · Nov 15, 2022

Pip's Invitation said:
BobbyLayne said:

Andrew is a stone cold assassin. Didn't have the best game, but he's got a predetermined strategy - he came here to win, so every DD is all in.

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He also seems to be a little slower on the buzzer than Amy and Sam, so he needs to do this.

In turn, Amy and Sam should hunt more aggressively for DDs in subsequent games, because keeping Andrew from finding them greatly increases the chances that he won't beat them.

I was thinking the same thing. They need to stop beginning most categories at the top. Sam seemed to be hunting for DD more in Double Jeopardy. We will see if Amy also adapts.

Pip's Invitation · Nov 15, 2022

Mr. Mojo said:
Pip's Invitation said:

BobbyLayne said:

Andrew is a stone cold assassin. Didn't have the best game, but he's got a predetermined strategy - he came here to win, so every DD is all in.

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He also seems to be a little slower on the buzzer than Amy and Sam, so he needs to do this.

In turn, Amy and Sam should hunt more aggressively for DDs in subsequent games, because keeping Andrew from finding them greatly increases the chances that he won't beat them.

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I was thinking the same thing. They need to stop beginning most categories at the top. Sam seemed to be hunting for DD more in Double Jeopardy. We will see if Amy also adapts.

Amy has said that she prefers to do the opposite of what her competitors are doing. If they start at the top, she goes to the bottom. If they start at the bottom, she goes to the top. However, since Andrew's chances are greatly dependent on whether he finds DDs, she may want to play "defense" in that regard.

Leroy Hoard · Nov 15, 2022

Quite a jolt going from watching the Sunday celebs to watching the champs.

BobbyLayne · Nov 15, 2022

Leroy Hoard said:
Quite a jolt going from watching the Sunday celebs to watching the champs.

I've never watched any of those. Is anyone legit, like (probably) good enough to be a champ on regular Jeopardy?

wlwiles · Nov 15, 2022

I don't remember Andrew's original Jeopardy run, aside from the fact that his streak ended and Amy's began. When Andrew was on originally, did he also do the Holzhauer all-in on DD's like this? Or is this an adjusted strategy just for this tournament? He's fun to watch...

Leroy Hoard · Nov 15, 2022

BobbyLayne said:
Leroy Hoard said:

Quite a jolt going from watching the Sunday celebs to watching the champs.

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I've never watched any of those. Is anyone legit, like (probably) good enough to be a champ on regular Jeopardy?

The questions are way easier, enough so I think many in here would beat most of them. The actors are rarely rocket surgeons.

Pip's Invitation · Nov 15, 2022

BobbyLayne said:
Leroy Hoard said:

Quite a jolt going from watching the Sunday celebs to watching the champs.

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I've never watched any of those. Is anyone legit, like (probably) good enough to be a champ on regular Jeopardy?

The person who won the first semifinal match is pretty good. I think they could hold their own on the regular show, but I dunno about win.

BobbyLayne · Nov 15, 2022

wlwiles said:
I don't remember Andrew's original Jeopardy run, aside from the fact that his streak ended and Amy's began. When Andrew was on originally, did he also do the Holzhauer all-in on DD's like this? Or is this an adjusted strategy just for this tournament? He's fun to watch...

every Andrew He Game Recap

I didn’t look at them all bc I think I found the answer right away. In his first ever game, a two-day champ was at 13.4K and AH 12.4K when he found the first DD in the Double Jeopardy round. He bet it all.

Game ended up:
AH $30K
2-day guy $26K

Andrew bet $22,001 to cover the double up.

BobbyLayne · Nov 15, 2022

Today’s Final Jeopardy – Tuesday, November 15, 2022

Warning: This page contains spoilers for the November 15, 2022, game of Jeopardy! — please do not scroll down if you wish to avoid being spoiled. Please note that the game airs as early as noon Eastern in some U.S. television markets.

Andy’s Pregame Thoughts:

Andrew He took Game 1 of the Tournament of Champions finals, in spite of being in third place in both attempts and buzzer timing, because he found and converted a pair of True Daily Doubles. If Amy or Sam wants to win this tournament, they need to make adjustments to their own playing style. In Game 1, Amy and Sam went to the board’s top row—where Daily Doubles are incredibly unlikely to be–once apiece in both the Jeopardy! and Double Jeopardy! rounds before the Daily Doubles in those rounds had been found.

I realize that Amy specifically has said in interviews, Don’t play the way Matt wants to play”, and I fear that this is going to be her downfall. The problem is that the way that Matt (or Andrew) wants to play is the most optimal way of playing Jeopardy and that not playing that way is going to give space to opponents to beat you, much like Andrew did in Game 1. Daily Doubles are just too important at this level of play to give your opponents a better chance to find them, and if Andrew keeps finding them, this series will be over in 3 or 4 games.

Game Recap:

Jeopardy! Round:

(Categories: Zoom Backgrounds Of Historic People; Usa; Facts & Figures; Playing The Hits Of 2022; What Can I Bring In My Carry On?; Jeoportmanteau!)

Amy got off to the best start, but only a half-hearted attempt by Amy and Sam to hunt the Daily Double led to Andrew finding it and doubling up to jump out into a big lead after 30 clues. (This is basically the Jeopardy! equivalent of leaving Alex Ovechkin of the Washington Capitals wide open in the high slot.)

Statistics at the first break (15 clues):

Andrew 5 correct 1 incorrect
Amy 5 correct 0 incorrect
Sam 3 correct 1 incorrect

Statistics after the Jeopardy round:

Andrew 12 correct 1 incorrect
Amy 8 correct 0 incorrect
Sam 7 correct 2 incorrect

Double Jeopardy! Round:

(Categories: First-Time Responses; A Little Peace Of History; Now Streaming On Dumont+; Late 20Th Century Books; Talkin’ Econ; Champion Words)

Amy got to a Daily Double; she did not go all in. Andrew, however, did go all in. This proved to be crucial as Amy’s late-round comeback fell $1,000 short of Andrew. Scores going into Final are Andrew at $23,200, Amy at $22,200, and Sam at $9,400.

Statistics after Double Jeopardy:

Andrew 17 correct 3 incorrect
Amy 20 correct 1 incorrect
Sam 15 correct 3 incorrect

Total number of unplayed clues this season: 12 (0 today).

Final Jeopardy! today was a Triple Stumper—Amy’s small bet means that she wins game #2 (and that the alleged “spoiler” from the Jeopardy! website is not one, as this series is going at least four games! Game 3 is tomorrow!

Tonight’s Game Stats:

Looking to find out who won Jeopardy! today? Here’s the Tuesday, November 15, 2022 Jeopardy! by the numbers:

Scores going into Final:

Andrew $23,200
Amy $22,200
Sam $9,400

Tonight’s results:

Sam $9,400 – $0 = $9,400 (0 wins) (What is Gridley?)
Amy $22,200 – $1,100 = $21,100 (1 win) (What is Nelson?)
Andrew $23,200 – $21,201 = $1,999 (1 win) (What is Gridley?)

Scores after the Jeopardy! Round:

Andrew $9,200
Amy $4,600
Sam $2,200

Daily Double locations:

1) FACTS & FIGURES $800 (clue #22)
Andrew 3800 +3800 (Amy 2800 Sam 2600)
2) TALKIN’ ECON $1200 (clue #5)
Amy 6200 +4000 (Andrew 9600 Sam 2600)
3) A LITTLE PEACE OF HISTORY $1200 (clue #12, $22000 left on board)
Andrew 10000 +10000 (Amy 10200 Sam 3400)

Average Row of Clue Selection, Before Daily Doubles Found:

Amy 2.70
Sam 2.79
Andrew 4.10

Unplayed clues:

J! Round: None!
DJ! Round: None!
Total Left On Board: $0
Number of clues left unrevealed this season: 12 (0.26 per episode average), 0 Daily Doubles

Game Stats:

Amy $19,400 Coryat, 20 correct, 1 incorrect, 31.58% in first on buzzer (18/57), 2/2 on rebound attempts (on 5 rebound opportunities)

Sam $9,400 Coryat, 15 correct, 3 incorrect, 29.82% in first on buzzer (17/57), 0/1 on rebound attempts (on 4 rebound opportunities)

Andrew $11,400 Coryat, 17 correct, 3 incorrect, 31.58% in first on buzzer (18/57), 0/0 on rebound attempts (on 3 rebound opportunities)

Combined Coryat Score: $40,200
Lach Trash: $8,400 (on 8 Triple Stumpers)
Coryat lost to incorrect responses (less double-correct responses): $5,400

Amy Schneider, career statistics:

1418 correct, 91 incorrect
67/81 on rebound attempts (on 175 rebound opportunities)
51.04% in first on buzzer (1304/2555)
69/79 on Daily Doubles (Net Earned: $219,200)
29/45 in Final Jeopardy
Average Coryat: $25,822

Andrew He, career statistics:

239 correct, 31 incorrect
15/17 on rebound attempts (on 36 rebound opportunities)
39.12% in first on buzzer (223/570)
15/20 on Daily Doubles (Net Earned: $81,000)
4/10 in Final Jeopardy
Average Coryat: $19,000

Sam Buttrey, career statistics:

193 correct, 19 incorrect
11/13 on rebound attempts (on 31 rebound opportunities)
40.35% in first on buzzer (184/456)
5/7 on Daily Doubles (Net Earned: $4,600)
5/8 in Final Jeopardy
Average Coryat: $18,025

Remaining Players’ Tournament of Champions Chances (after 100,000 Simulations)

Amy 46.590%
Andrew 46.041%
Sam 7.369%
Chances of 4 games: 28.491%
Chances of 5 games: 36.869%
Chances of 6 games: 24.285%
Chances of 7 games: 10.355%

Andy’s Thoughts:

I think that Andrew is comprehensively outplaying Amy through two games, and I think she’s lucky to make it out with a split. There was an overnight taping break between this game and tomorrow’s; I hope Amy is able to regroup before Game 3.

Final Jeopardy! wagering suggestions:

(Scores: Andrew $23,200 Amy $22,200 Sam $9,400)
Amy: Bet between $2,001 (in case Andrew tries to bet small) and $3,399 (thereby keeping Sam locked out.) (Actual bet: $1,100)
Andrew: Standard cover bet over Amy is $21,201. That being said: You’re up a game in the series, and this might be a very interesting spot to try a Shore’s Conjecture gambit—doing so would be a $2,401 bet and might cause wagering chaos going forward, which might work in your favor. (Actual bet: $21,201)
Sam: If Andrew covers Amy and is incorrect, he falls to $1,999. Limit your bet to $7,399. (Actual bet: $0)

Don Quixote · Nov 15, 2022

Sprockets look. :lmao:

Pip's Invitation · Nov 15, 2022

Excellent wagering in FJ by today's winner.

UOFI_316 · Nov 15, 2022

Don Quixote said:
Sprockets look.

I couldn't tell if Andrew knew what Ken was talking about.

One thing i thought of whlie watching. Both Andrew and Amy were multi day champs, so they are used to filming multiple episodes in a day. I assume all these final episodes were filmed on the same day. For the Professors tourny, how does that one work? I know it started with several opening rounds, would Sam have had to do several episodes in the same day?

Pip's Invitation · Nov 15, 2022

UOFI_316 said:
Don Quixote said:

Sprockets look.

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I couldn't tell if Andrew knew what Ken was talking about.

One thing i thought of whlie watching. Both Andrew and Amy were multi day champs, so they are used to filming multiple episodes in a day. I assume all these final episodes were filmed on the same day. For the Professors tourny, how does that one work? I know it started with several opening rounds, would Sam have had to do several episodes in the same day?

I believe the traditional-format tournaments are filmed in two days. First day, all five quarterfinals. Second day, the three semifinals and the two-round final. If that were the case, Sam would have filmed one episode on the first day and three on the second day.

BobbyLayne · Nov 16, 2022

Pip's Invitation said:
UOFI_316 said:

Don Quixote said:

Sprockets look.

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I couldn't tell if Andrew knew what Ken was talking about.

One thing i thought of whlie watching. Both Andrew and Amy were multi day champs, so they are used to filming multiple episodes in a day. I assume all these final episodes were filmed on the same day. For the Professors tourny, how does that one work? I know it started with several opening rounds, would Sam have had to do several episodes in the same day?

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I believe the traditional-format tournaments are filmed in two days. First day, all five quarterfinals. Second day, the three semifinals and the two-round final. If that were the case, Sam would have filmed one episode on the first day and three on the second day.

I'm not sure about the other games but Game 2 of the Finals was the last one of the day. Today's episode, Game 3, will the be the first of the day.

BobbyLayne · Nov 16, 2022

Pip's Invitation said:
Excellent wagering in FJ by today's winner.

It would be surprising if this trio made any blunders.

I'm in agreement with Andy from The Jeopardy Fan (the site I copy/pasta Game Recaps from) that Amy and Sam have to be more aggressive hunting DDs.

Pip's Invitation · Nov 16, 2022

BobbyLayne said:
Pip's Invitation said:

Excellent wagering in FJ by today's winner.

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It would be surprising if this trio made any blunders.

I'm in agreement with Andy from The Jeopardy Fan (the site I copy/pasta Game Recaps from) that Amy and Sam have to be more aggressive hunting DDs.

Yes, totally agreed. Andrew isn't as fast on the buzzer as they are, so his game against these two hinges on finding the DDs. Their chances of beating him go way up if they get to the DDs before he does.

Game 3 was recorded at the start of a new taping day, so it'll be interesting to see if they adjust after they had a night to think about it.

BobbyLayne · Nov 16, 2022

Absolute misleading garbage Final Jeopardy clue today.

category

THE NEW TESTAMENT

clue:

Paul’s letter to them is the New Testament epistle with the most Old Testament quotations

answer:

What is the Book of Hebrews

WRT authorship of Hebrews, there is considerable debate. Winston Churchill's description of Russia in 1939 is applicable. “It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma.” The theology is Pauline, the structure is decidedly not. There are several clues within the epistle which point to it not being a letter from Paul.

Anyway, here's The Jeopardy Fan's take on this situation:

There are a couple of problems with this clue: I can’t tell whether the intended correct response is “Romans” or “Hebrews”. Firstly, I have found conflicting sources as to whether Romans or Hebrews contains more quotations. Secondly, there’s the more pressing question of authorship—specifically of Hebrews. There’s no dispute that Paul wrote Romans. While Ken’s church—the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints—claims Paul wrote it, this is certainly disputed—even a clue by the show from June 2021 says that Barnabas has sometimes been credited with authorship—and even Britannica itself says it is “now widely believed to be the work of another Jewish Christian”.

These combined problems make this clue completely inappropriate for a Tournament of Champions final. The show needs to improve—all this will do is cause unnecessary angst online, especially amongst Biblical scholars. I think Sam has a significant protest case, and I don’t know how the show can rectify it. The fact that the show claims the epistle was written by Paul when most Biblical scholars now believe it didn’t, means that, at best, I believe this was a Final Jeopardy! clue with no correct response—an untenable situation considering the stakes of this match.

Man, what a load of bullcrap. Sam deserved the win today.

Runkle · Nov 16, 2022

More garbage clue than the STARTS WITH "A": 'After killing Gabby Petito, murderer Brian Laundrie shot himself in Myakkahatchee Creek Park, home to these long and toothy critters'?

The answer was Alligators. Obviously.

BobbyLayne · Nov 17, 2022

Got into a Twitter exchange last night with Alex Jacob, 2015 Jeopardy ToC winner and now a poker tournament player. He claims the writers are correct because the 1611 King james Version Bible says that on the title page. I countered with a quote from the Wiki article on the Epistle to the Hebrews

The original King James Version of the Bible titled the work "The Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Hebrews". However, the KJV's attribution to Paul was only a guess, and is currently disputed by recent research.[13]

Alex countered the KJV is the official version of Jeopardy. Which seems like intellectual dishonesty, at best. The show does often quote verses from the KJV, but there simply is not an official bible version acknowledged by the show.

wiki article - Authorship of the Epistle to the Hebrews

So that's one half of the controversy. But even worse, we're not even sure if the clue identified the right epistle irrespective of the authorship shenanigans.

Top 10 NT Books that quote the OT
By this source, the scoreboard reads Romans 58, Matthew 45, Hebrews 42.
Remember, Andrew answered "correctly" Hebrews, Sam said Romans
OT quotations in the NT
We may disregard Matthew as that is a gospel (biography of Jesus Christ) and not an epistle (letter.)
Romans 74, Hebrews 86

And so it goes - dueling sources depending on whether you are talking OT reference, OT direct quote, OT paraphrase, et al.

ETA ASIDE - I looked at several other sources and it would be redundant to quote all of them; suffice to say you can find ample evidence for either Romans or Hebrews being the NT epistle which refers to / quotes the OT the most. Certainly enough ambiguity to render such a question unusable.

Garbage. Just a terrible clue and it's a shame they would make such an epic blunder in the Tournament of Champions, AND it was the difference in who got credit for the win.

In the most anticipated ToC of all time no less.

BobbyLayne · Nov 17, 2022

FYI the folks on r/jeopardy inform me Alex Jacob (my Twitter fencing partner) has been an Andrew stan the entire ToC, and hyping him up in his Trivia Newsletter (it’s a thing.)

Strange hill to die on.

apalmer · Nov 17, 2022

BobbyLayne said:
Got into a Twitter exchange last night with Alex Jacob, 2015 Jeopardy ToC winner and now a poker tournament player. He claims the writers are correct because the 1611 King james Version Bible says that on the title page. I countered with a quote from the Wiki article on the Epistle to the Hebrews

The original King James Version of the Bible titled the work "The Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Hebrews". However, the KJV's attribution to Paul was only a guess, and is currently disputed by recent research.[13]

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Alex countered the KJV is the official version of Jeopardy. Which seems like intellectual dishonesty, at best. The show does often quote verses from the KJV, but there simply is not an official bible version acknowledged by the show.

wiki article - Authorship of the Epistle to the Hebrews

So that's one half of the controversy. But even worse, we're not even sure if the clue identified the right epistle irrespective of the authorship shenanigans.

Top 10 NT Books that quote the OT
By this source, the scoreboard reads Romans 58, Matthew 45, Hebrews 42.
Remember, Andrew answered "correctly" Hebrews, Sam said Romans

OT quotations in the NT
We may disregard Matthew as that is a gospel (biography of Jesus Christ) and not an epistle (letter.)
Romans 74, Hebrews 86

And so it goes - dueling sources depending on whether you are talking OT reference, OT direct quote, OT paraphrase, et al.

ETA ASIDE - I looked at several other sources and it would be redundant to quote all of them; suffice to say you can find ample evidence for either Romans or Hebrews being the NT epistle which refers to / quotes the OT the most. Certainly enough ambiguity to render such a question unusable.

Garbage. Just a terrible clue and it's a shame they would make such an epic blunder in the Tournament of Champions, AND it was the difference in who got credit for the win.

In the most anticipated ToC of all time no less.

Not to mention the fact that in 2021 Jeopardy actually had an clue about "this companion of Paul has sometimes been credited with writing the epistle to the Hebrews".

Jayrok · Nov 18, 2022

Great game for Amy. Looked more like her comfort level in games during her awesome run. Nice game from Sam too. If he gets FJ correct he wins and ties it up with Amy.

Mr. Mojo · Nov 18, 2022

I'm glad to see Amy tie it up. Her bet guaranteed that Andrew could not win, even though it opened the door for Sam.

Unfortunately, Sam made a terrible bet on the Final. He could have bet $5,001 and had a chance to win if Amy missed it and he correctly answered it and that would have also prevented Andrew from winning. Instead he bet the farm?!

BobbyLayne · Nov 18, 2022

Happy about tonight’s outcome

UOFI_316 · Nov 18, 2022

I wasn't paying attention to their scores going into FJ, was that an "Andrew isn't going to beat me today" wager?

BobbyLayne · Nov 18, 2022

UOFI_316 said:
I wasn't paying attention to their scores going into FJ, was that an "Andrew isn't going to beat me today" wager?

Again

Pip's Invitation · Nov 19, 2022

The crowd was REALLY happy that Sam won. As I suspect are a lot of people since it would be great if this went 7 games.

Mrs. Rannous · Nov 19, 2022

Pip's Invitation said:
The crowd was REALLY happy that Sam won. As I suspect are a lot of people since it would be great if this went 7 games.

That, and he got jobbed on the Paul question.

Mr. Mojo · Nov 19, 2022

I am shocked that Amy committed a cardinal Jeopardy sin:
Lead going into Final, get Final correct and still not win.
She didn't look too happy about it. :unsure:

I understood guarding against Andrew when he was up 2-1, but with a chance to win it, that wasn't very good.
Andrew practically high-fived Sam. :pickle:

I hope that you are all doing better than me - I haven't gotten a Final correct all week. :wall:

Pip's Invitation · Nov 19, 2022

Mr. Mojo said:
I am shocked that Amy committed a cardinal Jeopardy sin:
Lead going into Final, get Final correct and still not win.
She didn't look too happy about it.
I understood guarding against Andrew when he was up 2-1, but with a chance to win it, that wasn't very good.
Andrew practically high-fived Sam.

I hope that you guys are doing better than me - I haven't gotten a Final correct all week.

Her small FJ wagers won her two games, so I'm not surprised she tried it again. And this time it bit her because Sam got FJ right. We'll see what she does if she enters FJ with the lead in Game 6.

apalmer · Nov 20, 2022

Mr. Mojo said:
I am shocked that Amy committed a cardinal Jeopardy sin:
Lead going into Final, get Final correct and still not win.
She didn't look too happy about it.
I understood guarding against Andrew when he was up 2-1, but with a chance to win it, that wasn't very good.
Andrew practically high-fived Sam.

I hope that you are all doing better than me - I haven't gotten a Final correct all week.

She probably overthought it: "Sam just lost a game he could have won because he bet everything instead of only betting to cover if Andrew had missed it (which he did). Is he going to bet it all again and risk that same result or is he going to bet a smaller amount and hope I miss? He knows I'll probably bet enough to cover him if we both get it right, so this time he'll probably just bet enough to cover what I have now in case I miss. Maybe I shouldn't bet enough to cover an all in bet..."

Leroy Hoard · Nov 21, 2022

Good finale.

Pip's Invitation · Nov 21, 2022

Pip's Invitation said:
Mr. Mojo said:

I am shocked that Amy committed a cardinal Jeopardy sin:
Lead going into Final, get Final correct and still not win.
She didn't look too happy about it.
I understood guarding against Andrew when he was up 2-1, but with a chance to win it, that wasn't very good.
Andrew practically high-fived Sam.

I hope that you guys are doing better than me - I haven't gotten a Final correct all week.

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Her small FJ wagers won her two games, so I'm not surprised she tried it again. And this time it bit her because Sam got FJ right. We'll see what she does if she enters FJ with the lead in Game 6.

Mr. Mojo · Nov 21, 2022

Leroy Hoard said:
Good finale.

It was really interesting with Sam finding the DDs this time.
The Final seemed a lot easier than the ones last week.

Pip's Invitation · Nov 21, 2022

Mr. Mojo said:
Leroy Hoard said:

Good finale.

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It was really interesting with Sam finding the DDs this time.
The Final seemed a lot easier than the ones last week.

A play showing in Washington during the Civil War? What else could it have been other than THAT one?

BobbyLayne · Nov 22, 2022

Pretty happy it ended up Amy 3, Andrew 2, Sam 1 since nobody can bring up Sam getting jobbed in the game 3 FJ.

Amy was the best player of the season(s); I thought Matt had more impressive single games - he has 4 of the Top 10 all-time Coryat scores, Amy's best is 9th - but my goodness was she consistent. Her lifetime stats are insane. Missed 1 question in 17 out of her 40 game streak (+ 0 in game 40), was correct on her first 15 Final Jeopardy clues.

Andrew was the third best player in the finals statistically, by both in first on the buzzer and percentage correct, but benefited greatly from hunting for DDs and going all in every single time. Sam acquitted himself well - not sure we'll every see another 74 year old play that well.