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Jeremy Hill, RB (LVR) (1 Viewer)

It's not just gio. It's eifert. It's aj. It's Jones and sanu. They've got a really strong core of skill position players, and all of them score tds.

Some weeks they will do everything they can do to get the ball to hill. Some weeks they will really focus on gio. Or a specific receiver. His best weeks will come when they focus on him and when he performs well and someone else doesn't take the touchdowns. They won't come because he's catching 8 balls, or because he gets all the tds for a high scoring offense.

Last year gio was hurt. It wasn't just the weeks he missed. He still got touches but he wasn't as effective. They game planned more to get hill the ball in the second half of the season and he had a much better second half than first half. That happens a lot with running backs. He did really well when that time came.

Going forward hill's value derives mostly from "what if he gets hot again", not "he's the lead back on an awesome offense" or "he catches so many balls he has a really high floor". I said from the start he could get hot - probably with a gio injury. He did, and people overreacted. Nothing has changed structurally with the situation and it's not likely to change next year either. I also was a big Dalton guy this year, and not a huge gio guy. It worked about like I expected.

That said, if you're going to take a chance on Hill in dynasty, this may be the time to do it. Gio us about to go into his final year. Dalton looks good and is locked up long term. They have a lot of good guys coming up for contracts soon, and they may let gio walk. That would open things up quite a bit. But it's a gamble. I wouldn't pay full rb1 price for him, so I'm probably out of the market.

 
bostonfred said:
It's not just gio. It's eifert. It's aj. It's Jones and sanu. They've got a really strong core of skill position players, and all of them score tds.

Some weeks they will do everything they can do to get the ball to hill. Some weeks they will really focus on gio. Or a specific receiver. His best weeks will come when they focus on him and when he performs well and someone else doesn't take the touchdowns. They won't come because he's catching 8 balls, or because he gets all the tds for a high scoring offense.

Last year gio was hurt. It wasn't just the weeks he missed. He still got touches but he wasn't as effective. They game planned more to get hill the ball in the second half of the season and he had a much better second half than first half. That happens a lot with running backs. He did really well when that time came.

Going forward hill's value derives mostly from "what if he gets hot again", not "he's the lead back on an awesome offense" or "he catches so many balls he has a really high floor". I said from the start he could get hot - probably with a gio injury. He did, and people overreacted. Nothing has changed structurally with the situation and it's not likely to change next year either. I also was a big Dalton guy this year, and not a huge gio guy. It worked about like I expected.

That said, if you're going to take a chance on Hill in dynasty, this may be the time to do it. Gio us about to go into his final year. Dalton looks good and is locked up long term. They have a lot of good guys coming up for contracts soon, and they may let gio walk. That would open things up quite a bit. But it's a gamble. I wouldn't pay full rb1 price for him, so I'm probably out of the market.
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Sanu and Gio had 2 TDs each and Jones had 4. AJ and Eifert are legit scorers, but every RB has other players on their team who score TDs, just like every RB is going to have weeks where they aren't the main focus of the offense. Hill just tied for the NFL lead in rushing TDs, I don't think that is an issue at all.

Hill is the lead back on an awesome offense, which is precisely why he can be a RB 1 "if he gets hot again". I think you're misreading this situation completely.

ETA- this is as things stand right now, it can change quite a bit if Hue Jackson leaves.

 
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Sure and last year sanu and Gresham combined for 10 tds and the year before that Jones had 10 on his own.

Year over year things will change but the net is this - hill gets sporadic tds, but not enough to be an elite fantasy play unless he's getting them consistently. He gets rushing yards, but not receiving yards, and not very predictably while gio is healthy.

Most of his value comes from td production, and there are enough td scorers on this team that he isn't getting a td every game. He ran for 11 tds but got them all in 6 games. He doesn't get consistent yards and had just 15 catches in 16 games so he's going to be a wildly inconsistent player whose numbers look decent at the end of the year but tricks you into playing him after a big game so you end up chasing points. High variance, touchdown dependent, roster poison.

 
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JAG is just a guy, which means he is interchangeable with any ole average player, performance wise not giving you an advantage over another warm body who could produce the same in the NFL level. It goes without saying that they are all world class athletes, but are interchangeable with avg NFL RB in this case like Alfred Blue for example. I don't feel that Hill would give me much if anything more added to a run than Alfred Blue would under the same scenario, or Alfred Morris, without splitting hairs.
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mmmplayer thanks for clarifying what you mean by JAG. As a FF player I think it is very important to be able to identify players and how you would expect those players to perform for FF using your own league scoring, roster and starting requirements. This would determine which players are actually valuable in your league by them performing above replacement value (what you could pick up in free agency).

League rules are very different and that changes the factors of how many players are above replacement level in a season and which players.

In a TD heavy scoring system Hill would be a top player for example. I have been posting the numbers for both Hill and Bernard in standard scoring as well as PPR throughout the season as a reminder that Hill was performing better relatively in standard scoring leagues than PPR leagues. PPR leagues seem to be the most popular or common format that people play in so that flavors the perception of performance of RB more towards the path of least resistance.

RB if they are good receivers will generally gain about twice as many yards on a reception as they will on a rushing attempt. There are fewer opportunities to catch targets than rushing attempts generally, the completion percentage for a RB is above 73% on average, so the frequency of receptions occurring on targets is higher for a RB than it is for a WR or TE.

So in general a RB who is a factor in the running and passing game has a higher probability of producing more total yards than a RB who is mostly only used to run the ball. Alfred Morris or Adrian Peterson for example.

The PPR increases the value of those receptions significantly. Having a third scoring category causes the relative value of a TD to be 33% less than it is worth in a standard league.

Most of the time when I hear people using the term JAG is it from the draftnik community and it is a term used to describe a college player who may not get drafted. Or for a player who has made an NFL team but their career is not expected to be long, and that the player will not perform very well if given the opportunity. So a player who is near the replacement level for an NFL roster.

These two definitions of JAG are very different obviously. Thanks for clearing up what you meant by using the term.

In regards to evaluating these players at the college level. Spencer Ware, Alfred Blue and Jermemy Hill all had careers that crossed over each other at LSU. All 3 of these players were factors for their teams at times in 2015. This shows the high level of talent LSU recruiting brings to their team. that all 3 of these RB had some opportunity for 3 different NFL teams this year.

I think Hill is the best of those 3 RB.

It still isn't clear to me why Seattle let Ware go, as he proved capable for KC this year. Obviously Seattle really likes Rawls who looked great in the games I watched him.

 
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bostonfred said:
Sure and last year sanu and Gresham combined for 10 tds and the year before that Jones had 10 on his own.

Year over year things will change but the net is this - hill gets sporadic tds, but not enough to be an elite fantasy play unless he's getting them consistently. He gets rushing yards, but not receiving yards, and not very predictably while gio is healthy.

Most of his value comes from td production, and there are enough td scorers on this team that he isn't getting a td every game. He ran for 11 tds but got them all in 6 games. He doesn't get consistent yards and had just 15 catches in 16 games so he's going to be a wildly inconsistent player whose numbers look decent at the end of the year but tricks you into playing him after a big game so you end up chasing points. High variance, touchdown dependent, roster poison.
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Okay but last year Green only had 6 TDs and Eifert had zero (didn't play). The point is, there are always going to be other players on the team who score TDs, but that goes for everyone. Seems silly to try and count this as a negative only for Hill. If anything, I consider his supporting cast to be a slight positive- it gives him more opportunities to score than most.

He is going to be up and down some because he isn't the 3rd down back, but again, there aren't that many 3 down backs who also get the goal line carries in the NFL. He would be less up and down if he performed better, like last season.

 
humpback said:
RBM said:
Fumbling machine
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Every one of the top 10 rushers this year fumbled at least as much as he did.
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You are really going out of your way to defend Hill against literally every single negative post. The fumble was bad and it will last for a long time in coaches and fans memories.

Ball security aside. Last night was a fairly standard game in terms of volume. 18 carries, 5 receptions = 23 total touches. Put it on one guy and he is an RB1. Split it between two talented ones and the result is a D-Will / J-Stew situation. Bostonfred is spot on in his assessment: there hasn't been enough volume or predictability in this offense to support Hill as a stud in FF without a Gio injury. Ignoring this reality is what got Hill owners in for a very brutal ride this year. Even mitigating the damage by trying to guess which week will be a "Hill week" was close to impossible. Maybe this changes going forward as a result of players or coaches leaving, but for now it looks ugly.

 
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humpback said:
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Every one of the top 10 rushers this year fumbled at least as much as he did.
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You are really going out of your way to defend Hill against literally every single negative post. The fumble was bad and it will last for a long time in coaches and fans memories.

Ball security aside. Last night was a fairly standard game in terms of volume. 18 carries, 5 receptions = 23 total touches. Put it on one guy and he is an RB1. Split it between two talented ones and the result is a D-Will / J-Stew situation. Bostonfred is spot on in his assessment: there hasn't been enough volume or predictability in this offense to support Hill as a stud in FF without a Gio injury. Ignoring this reality is what got Hill owners in for a very brutal ride this year. Even mitigating the damage by trying to guess which week will be a "Hill week" was close to impossible. Maybe this changes going forward as a result of players or coaches leaving, but for now it looks ugly.
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Hill had 222 carries this year. If he averaged 4.5 yards per carry he would have had 1000 yards. Add that to his 11 TDs and that's an RB1. So I would say it's more his performance than Gio being on the team. Not to mention if he was more effective he prob would have gotten more carries and yards, and maybe even a couple more TDs.

 
Part of the reason he isn't getting 4.5 yards per carry is that he's not getting the volume. A greater proportion of his attempts are in short yardage or goal line plays and gio is getting the runsagainst soft coverage that hill got when he was hurt last year. And hill specifically had a bunch of late game carries last year that he took to the house or close to it. He's not getting that wear you down volume anymore. When gio is healthy he's a good player being used as a role player - good for the Bengals, but not great for hill. Could that change? Sure. Maybe we'll see a coaching change after last night. Maybe gio doesn't come back in 2017. Or if he does maybe hill doesn't come back in 2018.

 
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Part of the reason he isn't getting 4.5 yards per carry is that he's not getting the volume. A greater proportion of his attempts are in short yardage or goal line plays and gio is getting the runsagainst soft coverage that hill got when he was hurt last year. And hill specifically had a bunch of late game carries last year that he took to the house or close to it. He's not getting that wear you down volume anymore. When gio is healthy he's a good player being used as a role player - good for the Bengals, but not great for hill. Could that change? Sure. Maybe we'll see a coaching change after last night. Maybe gio doesn't come back in 2017. Or if he does maybe hill doesn't come back in 2018.
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Point taken, but that can't fully explain a drop from 5.1 yds / carry last yr to 3.6 yds/ carry this year.

 
Zdravko said:
humpback said:
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Fumbling machine
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Every one of the top 10 rushers this year fumbled at least as much as he did.
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You are really going out of your way to defend Hill against literally every single negative post. The fumble was bad and it will last for a long time in coaches and fans memories.

Ball security aside. Last night was a fairly standard game in terms of volume. 18 carries, 5 receptions = 23 total touches. Put it on one guy and he is an RB1. Split it between two talented ones and the result is a D-Will / J-Stew situation. Bostonfred is spot on in his assessment: there hasn't been enough volume or predictability in this offense to support Hill as a stud in FF without a Gio injury. Ignoring this reality is what got Hill owners in for a very brutal ride this year. Even mitigating the damage by trying to guess which week will be a "Hill week" was close to impossible. Maybe this changes going forward as a result of players or coaches leaving, but for now it looks ugly.
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I know some are going to see it that way, but I suspect those that do are the ones who are looking to take a dig at him every chance they can. The fumble was bad, essentially all of them are, but the fact is that he isn't a "fumble machine"- he hasn't fumbled any more than the typical RB.

If you look at his recent posts, Bostonfred's assertion isn't that this is a DWill/JStew situation, it's more that Cincy has too many other options on offense, many of whom score a lot of TDs. I don't think this is much of an issue, but he does.

Last night really wasn't a fairly standard game in terms of volume. Hill and Gio combined to average 27.5 touches per game this year, not 23. Again, if Hill had performed better this year, he would have been a RB 1 just with the number of touches he had (plus he likely would have had more). There is no doubt that Gio caps his upside, but he can still be a RB 1 with him there. Of course, he needs to play better in order to do that, which is far from a lock.

 
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Part of the reason he isn't getting 4.5 yards per carry is that he's not getting the volume. A greater proportion of his attempts are in short yardage or goal line plays and gio is getting the runsagainst soft coverage that hill got when he was hurt last year. And hill specifically had a bunch of late game carries last year that he took to the house or close to it. He's not getting that wear you down volume anymore. When gio is healthy he's a good player being used as a role player - good for the Bengals, but not great for hill. Could that change? Sure. Maybe we'll see a coaching change after last night. Maybe gio doesn't come back in 2017. Or if he does maybe hill doesn't come back in 2018.
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Sounds plausible, but I looked it up a few weeks ago and it doesn't appear this is it. Hill only had 4 more carries from inside the 10 this year, his 1st/2nd half splits are identical, and he only had 3 more attempts on 3rd/4th and short and plays with 1-3 yards to go (and he actually had a much higher ypc on those this year).

~1/2 of his runs come on 1st and 10. Last season he averaged 6.0 ypc on those, this year it was 3.5 ypc. That seems to be the biggest issue by far.

 
I agree Hill had a bad year, and Hill was the biggest cause of Hill having a bad year.

As to 2014, he ran better, which is why he beat out Bernard. Noted above (possibly in the discussion with m-player, though I have nothing to add there), players typically don't lose their job over a three game absence. Also, the pre/post injury splits were, if not identical, very similar in terms of YPC average.

That said, it won't mean much for Hill in 2016 if he doesn't run more like he did in 2014 than 2015. I get that m-player disagrees on that point, that is fine, agree to disagree. He wished me luck with Hill, and I sincerely reciprocate with his non-Hill backs and choices (in some formats, you can even opt to start less backs and instead sub an extra WR or TE, which can make sense in increasingly standard PPR leagues, or in some cases boosted TE scoring). Nonetheless, imo there is a clear consensus Hill ran better as a rookie.

This is an important question and matter to suss out, as it is problematic to inform 2016 projections by weighing the disappointment of 2015 against the promise of 2014 - if there is confusion about 2014 and the context of what happened.

 
humpback said:
bostonfred said:
Part of the reason he isn't getting 4.5 yards per carry is that he's not getting the volume. A greater proportion of his attempts are in short yardage or goal line plays and gio is getting the runsagainst soft coverage that hill got when he was hurt last year. And hill specifically had a bunch of late game carries last year that he took to the house or close to it. He's not getting that wear you down volume anymore. When gio is healthy he's a good player being used as a role player - good for the Bengals, but not great for hill. Could that change? Sure. Maybe we'll see a coaching change after last night. Maybe gio doesn't come back in 2017. Or if he does maybe hill doesn't come back in 2018.
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Sounds plausible, but I looked it up a few weeks ago and it doesn't appear this is it. Hill only had 4 more carries from inside the 10 this year, his 1st/2nd half splits are identical, and he only had 3 more attempts on 3rd/4th and short and plays with 1-3 yards to go (and he actually had a much higher ypc on those this year).~1/2 of his runs come on 1st and 10. Last season he averaged 6.0 ypc on those, this year it was 3.5 ypc. That seems to be the biggest issue by far.
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There's a lot of skew in those numbers. Last year hill had three runs over 60 yards. Two of those were on first down. Take those three runs away and his ypc would have been 4.2 - which explains most of the drop he had this year. This year his longest run was 38 and his ypc was 3.6. The rest may be fairly situational, too. An optimist looks at those numbers and says hill was unlucky not to break any big runs this year. A pessimist says that playing with fresh legs, for a team that had rebuilt itself around running with a big back, with four late season games against Jacksonville, new Orleans, cleveland and Pittsburgh that got him 550 of his 1100 yards, probably boosted his ypc.

This year, the pessimist was right. Maybe next year he breaks a few more big runs again or generally performs better, but his clearest path to success would appear to be another injury to gio.

 
bostonfred said:
humpback said:
bostonfred said:
Part of the reason he isn't getting 4.5 yards per carry is that he's not getting the volume. A greater proportion of his attempts are in short yardage or goal line plays and gio is getting the runsagainst soft coverage that hill got when he was hurt last year. And hill specifically had a bunch of late game carries last year that he took to the house or close to it. He's not getting that wear you down volume anymore. When gio is healthy he's a good player being used as a role player - good for the Bengals, but not great for hill. Could that change? Sure. Maybe we'll see a coaching change after last night. Maybe gio doesn't come back in 2017. Or if he does maybe hill doesn't come back in 2018.
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Sounds plausible, but I looked it up a few weeks ago and it doesn't appear this is it. Hill only had 4 more carries from inside the 10 this year, his 1st/2nd half splits are identical, and he only had 3 more attempts on 3rd/4th and short and plays with 1-3 yards to go (and he actually had a much higher ypc on those this year).~1/2 of his runs come on 1st and 10. Last season he averaged 6.0 ypc on those, this year it was 3.5 ypc. That seems to be the biggest issue by far.
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There's a lot of skew in those numbers. Last year hill had three runs over 60 yards. Two of those were on first down. Take those three runs away and his ypc would have been 4.2 - which explains most of the drop he had this year. This year his longest run was 38 and his ypc was 3.6. The rest may be fairly situational, too.An optimist looks at those numbers and says hill was unlucky not to break any big runs this year. A pessimist says that playing with fresh legs, for a team that had rebuilt itself around running with a big back, with four late season games against Jacksonville, new Orleans, cleveland and Pittsburgh that got him 550 of his 1100 yards, probably boosted his ypc.

This year, the pessimist was right. Maybe next year he breaks a few more big runs again or generally performs better, but his clearest path to success would appear to be another injury to gio.
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So you agree that it has nothing to do with the short yardage and goal line carries that you just talked about?

It seems strange to say the raw numbers are skewed, and then manipulate them by playing the "if you take away his best carries" game, especially when you only do so for one season. Even if you somehow thought it made sense to do all of that, he still did much better last year than this one. It clearly wasn't situational.

Fresh legs and weaker opponents seems like it could have some merit, but again, it doesn't appear to be a major factor when you dig deeper. His legs were certainly fresh to start this year, yet he still didn't perform against weak opponents Oakland and SD in his first two games. Last year he also did well against two of the best run defenses in the league in Houston and Denver. I know, he had a huge run against Denver, but they all count and no legs are really fresh in week 16.

No matter how you try to parse the data, it all points back to the same thing- he just didn't get the job done this year. It's very obvious from watching him that he wasn't running the same way. That's the real mystery- why?

 
Giovani Bernard signs three-year extension with Bengals (few more details from the above reporter - not sure about guaranteed money).

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/bengals/2016/06/08/giovani-bernard-contract-extension-cincinnati/85610336/

"The average of $5.167 million per year in "new money" ranks 10th among running backs. Bernard had one year and $1,121,364 remaining on his rookie deal, so he's now under contract through 2019. If he plays out the extension, would hit free agency at age 28."

 
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NFL players return to Celebrity Family Feud

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/06/23/nfl-players-return-to-celebrity-family-feud/

In a pair of shows to be televised July 3 on ABC at 8:00 p.m. ET, 20 total players will square off.

The first show pits five AFC offensive players (Jets receiver Brandon Marshall, Patriots tackle Marcus Cannon, Raiders receiver Amari Cooper, Bengals running back Jeremy Hill, and Ravens receiver Steve Smith) against five NFC defensive players (Panthers linebacker Thomas Davis, Seahawks defensive end Cliff Avril, Eagles safety Malcolm Jenkins, former Washington defensive lineman Terrance Knighton, and Cardinals defensive back Tyrann Mathieu).

The second show has five AFC defensive players (former Bengals linebacker A.J. Hawk, Chiefs linebacker Tamba Hali, Chargers running back Melvin Ingram, Broncos linebacker Von Miller, and Raiders linebacker Malcolm Smith) facing five NFC offensive players (49ers tackle Joe Staley, Lions receiver Marvin Jones, Vikings quarterback Teddy Bridgewater, Washington receiver Pierre Garςon, and Cardinals running back David Johnson).

NFL.com interview

http://www.nfl.com/jeremyhill

Bucky Brooks video interview (mentions knee issues early in the season)

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-podcasts/0ap3000000672797/Jeremy-Hill-focused-on-redemption-in-2016

 
I know Gio got extended with big money but is there a shot that this offense goes run heavy like it was in 201r when he broke out? At that time they were missing Jones, Eiffert, and Green was having injury issues. We could see a return to form if they go heavy with him and he gets over the fumble

 
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I know Gio got extended with big money but is there a shot that this offense goes run heavy like it was in 201r when he broke out? At that time they were missing Jones, Eiffert, and Green was having injury issues. We could see a return to form if they go heavy with him and he gets over the fumble
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There certainly is. I think it is a bit of an unknown how the Bengals run the offense and deploy their 2 back. Some people seem to think it's going to be a boost for Hill as they will go more power run. Some see a boost for Gio thinking he will eat up a lot of the targets lost in free agency. As 5th-7th round picks I think both players are worth  investing in for teams that go "0 RB". Hill needs to run better though or it won't even matter. Hill's yards per carry dropped from 5.1 to 3.6. His yards per reception dropped from 8 to 5.3. For fantasy, there were 8 games last season where he was total trash. 

 
In one league I'm in (.5 PPR), in the first six games Bernard cracked 10 points 5/6 times (and just missed going 6/6), in the last 10 games only 2/10 (including failing to crack 10 the last six consecutive games). 

 
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In one league I'm in (.5 PPR), in the first six games Bernard cracked 10 points 5/6 times (and just missed going 6/6), in the last 10 games only 2/10 (including failing to crack 10 the last six consecutive games). 
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While this is true there is some circular reasoning going on with this type of analysis.

When Hill/Bernard does well the other RB usually doesn't. Aside from some blow out games where both scored well.

Hills fantasy points last season were mostly due to touchdowns.

Hue Jackson had (has?) a strange belief that once the weather gets colder that Bernard was no longer useful. His numbers bear that out, however his opportunity has dwindled at the end of the season while Hill's has increased at the end of the season.

Bernard

2015 16 games 154 rushing attempts 66 targets 9.6 rushing attempts/game 4.1 targets/game

First 8 games 91 rushing attempts 27 targets 11.4 rushing attempts/game 3.4 targets/game

Last 8 games 63 rushing attempts 39 targets 7.9 rushing attempts/game 4.9 targets/game

2014 13 games 168 rushing attempts 59 targets 12.9 rushing attempts/game 4.5 targets/game

First 8 games 91 rushing attempts 27 targets 13 rushing attempts/game 3.9 targets/game (7 games)

Last 8 games 59 rushing attempts 25 targets 9.8 rushing attempts/game 4.2 targets/game (6 games)

Hill

2015 223 rushing attempts 19 targets 13.9 rushing attempts/game 1.2 targets/game

First 8 games 104 rushing attempts 6 targets 13 rushing attempts/game .75 targets/game

Last 8 games 119 rushing attempts 13 targets 14.9 rushing attempts/game 1.6 targets/game

2014 222 rushing attempts 32 targets 13.9 rushing attempts/game 2 targets/game

First 8 games 74 rushing attempts 16 targets 9.25 rushing attempts/game 2 targets/game

Last 8 games 148 rushing attempts 16 targets 18.5 rushing attempts/game 2 targets/game

Under Hue Jackson I don't even think they are competing for the same role or job in the offense. Bernard gets more offensive snaps but the run to pass ratio is 50/50 and Hill is used as a runner more than Bernard is.

Ken Zampese might choose to use these players differently.

 
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The Cincinnati Enquirer's Paul Dehner expects a "huge year" for Jeremy Hill in 2016.

Dehner says Hill "looked really good" in the offseason program. Although many have forecasted a bigger role for Giovani Bernard following Cincinnati's pass-catcher losses, it should be noted that the Bengals have historically leaned more heavily on Hill when Tyler Eifert in particular has missed time. Gio managed receiving lines of 1-9-0, 4-18-0, and 4-29-0 on target counts of 1, 4, and 5 in Eifert's three missed games last season. Hill's touch totals were 22, 19, and 21 in those contests.

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I think Bengals will turn to a more run oriented offense this year and Hill is a sneaky RB3 target that could pay big dividends.  At least I hope so....

 
As long as Hill is getting the touches, he will pay off. Im just not so sure that it wont be close to an even split between him and Gio. It does help that Gio is more of a 3rd down/pass catching back and with a better o-line and defense this year, they might be able to turn to the rush a lot more often this year than last. 

 
rascal said:
I think Bengals will turn to a more run oriented offense this year and Hill is a sneaky RB3 target that could pay big dividends.  At least I hope so....
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Convenient that you bumped this today, I just came here to do it.

What can anyone tell me about the new OC? Will he favor either of the 2 rbs? Anyone expecting one the these guys to be favored to see more work?

 
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Convenient that you bumped this today, I just came here to do it.

What can anyone tell me about the new OC? Will he favor either of the 2 rbs? Anyone expecting one the these guys to be favored to see more work?
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Zampese is being promoted from within as the former QBs coach and from everything I've read there isn't going to be a drastic change to the offensive philosophy. I'm not a homer so I could be wrong.

CIN was 7th in rushing attempts per game (28.9) last year. Assuming Hill and Bernard's roles remain the same it's hard for me to envision Hill eclipsing the 220-225 carry mark this year, the pie just isn't big enough and Gio isn't going away. I'm sure Hill can improve on his ypc; something like 225 for 900-1000 yards and double digit TDs seems very feasible. It also helps that Vegas has CIN favored in 11 of their 16 games this season, projecting a lot of positive game flow for Hill.

I think Hill's 2016 season will more closely resemble 2014 than it did 2015 but in PPR it's hard for me to see him as anything more than a RB2 as long as Gio is healthy. If Gio goes down then you have yourself a no-brainer RB1.

 
I was listening to Jene Bramel who is a Bengals fan and he made an important point about the offensive philosophy not being just Hue Jackson's doing. They were splitting between RB even before Hue Jackson joined the team. This is the way Marvin Lewis wants the offense to be managed.

So as far as a new OC changing that, I think there may be some minor differences, but Zampese will be running the offense the way Jackson wants, which is likely more of the same.

 
He is a stud and has and will be the preferred option to lean on.  When you NEED a good shot in golf you use your favorite "go to" club.

Jeremy Hill is that favorite "go to" club for the Bengals.

 
Isn't is safe to assume a few more receptions for Gio with the loss of WR talent .... making Gio the higher scoring RB in PPR leagues? 

I mean they signed Bernard to a 3 year extension, almost unheard of in today's NFL/RB world ... they must love him to lock him up ... and to only use him 60-40 type split (him being 40) ..... doesn't make that much sense or am I reading much more into it that that ?

I'm not a Hill or Bernard owner. 

 
I think the main thing Bernards new contract means is that they have been happy with what he has done for them thus far. They are satisfied with his play. That does not really suggest that they intend to use him more now that he has a new deal.

If Hill sucks again this year then maybe they do use Bernard more. Hill sucking last year didn't cause them to do so however.

If Hill sucks again this year then maybe the Bengals look for another RB to take over his job in 2017 and still nothing changes for Bernard.

I wish I had reason to expect otherwise, because I would love to see what Bernard could do as the feature RB, the contract doesn't seem like a good reason.

 
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HERE IS ONE OPINION...  Hill looks good in the preseason!!!

The Cincinnati Enquirer's Paul Dehner Jr. believes Jeremy Hill is "going to have a huge year."
Dehner also said he expects Hill to record more yards from scrimmage than Gio Bernard. Coming off a disappointing sophomore effort, Hill has looked excellent so far this preseason. He is a nice value in the fourth round.

Source: Paul Dehner Jr. on Twitter 
Aug 23 - 12:46 PM

 
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Man having a hard time valuing this guy.  Not sure what happened to him last year. Maybe he was hurt but hard to say.  I guess projecting somewhat in b/t '14 and '15 is reasonable but who knows.  He was on my team last year and did have a lot of TDs but just killed me several weeks with a 12 carry for 30 yard day. 

 
He was also one of those guys who would have a 12 carry 30 yard day, then you'd bench him and he'd have 3TDs and 75 yards, then you'd put him back in and he'd have 0 TDs and 36 yards.

 
if Bernard gets 10 more catches, 200 more yards and say, 2 more TD's ... that puts him into the top 12-14 in PPR right ?

that's a reasonable increase or isn't it ?

 
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