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Jerome Harrison - Current Projections (1 Viewer)

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With it now appearing that Hardesty is out for the year due to a torn ACL, the Cleveland RB situation has gotten slightly clearer. Many would think that Harrison has the starters role locked up (as much as you can in a Mangini-led squad). What does this mean for his numbers now? What piece of the pie do you all see Hillis/Davis taking? In the interest of full disclosure I own Harrison in my main league and only got him (as my RB2) b/c of desperation. Now I'm trying to learn as much as I can about the situation in a hurry. Your thoughts?

*Edited to cover up my stupidity.

 
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I think around 1100 total yards, 7 TDs...I think people on other threads saying Hillis or Davis will take half the carries are fooling themselves.

 
I Like MOP's numbers. Hillis will get some short yardage/goal line work and some 3rd dwon work. Some type of roation could be good for Harrrison as he won't wear down... when it was a potential three headed rotation though it was a little worriesome as to how many touches.. Now it will mainly be two and HArrison should get enough touches to produce well.

 
I keep thinking I'm missing something with all the Foster talk.

The Browns were No. 8 in rushing last year. The Texans No. 30.

Harrison now has the job almost all to himself now (yeah Hillis, I'm a fan of the guy, but didn't it take Denver like 4-5 halfbacks before turning to him and when the great Selvyn Young (or someone like that) returned they put Hillis back at FB duty?) and he plays for a coach who is loyal to the run and to the starter (see Jamal Lewis). Foster has Slaton and Johnson and a coach who last year yanked guys for fumbling and who knows what transgression.

Harrison has better quarterbacking now with a vet who directed successful, run-heavy offense in Carolina (Breaux Bridge's own Jake Delhomme). He will have a weak armed QB, who has no legit WR1 or even WR2 or TE, who will be dumping off to his RB. -- Foster returns to the same high-powered but pass-oriented offense as last year. He has a strong armed QB who will be going downfield to excellent WR's and a great TE.

Foster could never take the full time starting job at the Vols from the guy who was going to be Harrison's backup (Hardesty).

Given what Foster has been going for: For people looking for the next Rice am I wrong in thinking that Harrison is being overlooked like Rice was and it is Harrison who is going for the same value as Rice and has a shot at producing similar dividends?

A few more thoughts:

Ray Rice and Harrison are both 5-9, 195. Foster is 6-0, 232.

Cleveland won their last 4 games of the year averaging 225 yards per game in their wins. Why would they not go back for more, only better? Add some TD's, who knows.

 
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I keep thinking I'm missing something with all the Foster talk.The Browns were No. 8 in rushing last year. The Texans No. 30.Harrison now has the job almost all to himself now (yeah Hillis, I'm a fan of the guy, but didn't it take Denver like 4-5 halfbacks before turning to him and when the great Selvyn Young (or someone like that) returned they put Hillis back at FB duty?) and he plays for a coach who is loyal to the run and to the starter (see Jamal Lewis). Foster has Slaton and Johnson and a coach who last year yanked guys for fumbling and who knows what transgression.Harrison has better quarterbacking now with a vet who directed successful, run-heavy offense in Carolina (Breaux Bridge's own Jake Delhomme). He will have a weak armed QB, who has no legit WR1 or even WR2 or TE, who will be dumping off to his RB. -- Foster returns to the same high-powered but pass-oriented offense as last year. He has a strong armed QB who will be going downfield to excellent WR's and a great TE.Foster could never take the full time starting job at the Vols from the guy who was going to be Harrison's backup (Hardesty).Given what Foster has been going for: For people looking for the next Rice am I wrong in thinking that Harrison is being overlooked like Rice was and it is Harrison who is going for the same value as Rice and has a shot at producing similar dividends?A few more thoughts:Ray Rice and Harrison are both 5-9, 195. Foster is 6-0, 232.Cleveland won their last 4 games of the year averaging 225 yards per game in their wins. Why would they not go back for more, only better? Add some TD's, who knows.
oh man, get outta my head, finally someone gets it...only thing holding me back from full fledged love is the brutal schedule the afc north has.
 
I keep thinking I'm missing something with all the Foster talk.The Browns were No. 8 in rushing last year. The Texans No. 30.Harrison now has the job almost all to himself now (yeah Hillis, I'm a fan of the guy, but didn't it take Denver like 4-5 halfbacks before turning to him and when the great Selvyn Young (or someone like that) returned they put Hillis back at FB duty?) and he plays for a coach who is loyal to the run and to the starter (see Jamal Lewis). Foster has Slaton and Johnson and a coach who last year yanked guys for fumbling and who knows what transgression.Harrison has better quarterbacking now with a vet who directed successful, run-heavy offense in Carolina (Breaux Bridge's own Jake Delhomme). He will have a weak armed QB, who has no legit WR1 or even WR2 or TE, who will be dumping off to his RB. -- Foster returns to the same high-powered but pass-oriented offense as last year. He has a strong armed QB who will be going downfield to excellent WR's and a great TE.Foster could never take the full time starting job at the Vols from the guy who was going to be Harrison's backup (Hardesty).Given what Foster has been going for: For people looking for the next Rice am I wrong in thinking that Harrison is being overlooked like Rice was and it is Harrison who is going for the same value as Rice and has a shot at producing similar dividends?A few more thoughts:Ray Rice and Harrison are both 5-9, 195. Foster is 6-0, 232.Cleveland won their last 4 games of the year averaging 225 yards per game in their wins. Why would they not go back for more, only better? Add some TD's, who knows.
oh man, get outta my head, finally someone gets it...only thing holding me back from full fledged love is the brutal schedule the afc north has.
I was watching the Browns game last night in the middle of my $500 draft and since I went with a little bit of a crazy strategy for a $500 entry fee league where I took 0 RB's in my 1st 6 picks I happen to be coming to my 7/8 turn and I grabbed Felix Jones and Harrison as my #1 and #2 backs. That was like an instant stroke of luck for me to have that happen at that exact time while I was watching the game. Now I feel I have 2 really solid RB's. Man is this strategy crazy...so crazy it just might work!
 
I think Hillis could surprise, just because I don't think the coaching staff likes Harrison for whatever reason. They drafted Hardesty, and they went out of their way to ask for Hillis in the Brady Quinn deal. Additionally, count on the Browns scouring the waiver wire for runners cut by other teams--maybe Willie Parker/LJ, maybe Derrick Ward, even maybe *gulp* Justin Fargas.

 
A month ago Clevands first game against Tampa looked like a great RB match-up but a few things have happened since then. Gerald McCoy and Brian Price could literally turn Tampa's terrible D-line around over night. Suddenly, it doesn't look like such a walk in the park for Cleveland RB's. Also, Aquib Talib is suspended the first game so I could see Clevelands abysmal passing game looking better than avg the first week. Massaguoi is a great sell high guy after week 1 imo.

 
I have a feeling Harrison will win make many fantasy team owners very happy this season. This guy is getting absolutely no respect in what will be arguably the most rushing heavy offenses in the league.

Conservative - 285 Carries, 1168 yards, 4.1ypc, 8-10TD's

Likely (barring injury) 320 Carries (averaging 20 car/g) - 1310 yards 4.1ypc 12TD's - you can fall into the endzone 12 times running that much.

 
I have a feeling Harrison will win make many fantasy team owners very happy this season. This guy is getting absolutely no respect in what will be arguably the most rushing heavy offenses in the league.Conservative - 285 Carries, 1168 yards, 4.1ypc, 8-10TD'sLikely (barring injury) 320 Carries (averaging 20 car/g) - 1310 yards 4.1ypc 12TD's - you can fall into the endzone 12 times running that much.
A bit optimistic, but Harrison was a great bargain in most drafts. I will be confident having him as a RB#3.
 
I have a feeling Harrison will win make many fantasy team owners very happy this season. This guy is getting absolutely no respect in what will be arguably the most rushing heavy offenses in the league.Conservative - 285 Carries, 1168 yards, 4.1ypc, 8-10TD'sLikely (barring injury) 320 Carries (averaging 20 car/g) - 1310 yards 4.1ypc 12TD's - you can fall into the endzone 12 times running that much.
A bit optimistic, but Harrison was a great bargain in most drafts. I will be confident having him as a RB#3.
Nothing to do with optimism tbh, more to do with the fact that the Browns will run more then 400 times this season and the feature back gets 20+ a game. Simple math. I also even lowered his ypc, last year is was 4.4They had 498 rushing attempts last year, a number that will probably increase this year.
 
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I think Lynch has a new home in a few days and that's the best thing that could happen for the brownies. If that doesn't happen, then I think Davis is actually the best option you have. Hillis can't stay healthy either.

Jerome Harrison...sorry, i'm not buying. There has to be a reason the guy had less than 100 carries in his first three years in the league and it wasn't because JLEW was all-world all that time.

When you look at it without bias, the only thing Harrison has that makes people interested in him at all is one three week stretch which was a TEAR...But, it was against two of the absolute worst run defenses in the league and a JAX team that had nothing to play for. If you throw out those STRANGE STRANGE sorry effort games against the Chiefs adn Raiders last year, he averaged 3.4 YPC and more importantly, the Browns lost 9 of the 11 games. The Browns and their coaches don't have the luxury of being that poor and uneventful again this year. I don't want to bash the guy and he's probably not as bad as that number makes it look but I just don't think the Browns orgnaization is in a position to run ad naseum like is being suggested and it translate so well for Harrison. In reality, they will probably be trailing a lot and will need to be more dynamic. Jobs are on the line this year with the coaches and I just dont think people are going to be content with it.

 
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I think Lynch has a new home in a few days and that's the best thing that could happen for the brownies. If that doesn't happen, then I think Davis is actually the best option you have. Hillis can't stay healthy either.Jerome Harrison...sorry, i'm not buying. There has to be a reason the guy had less than 100 carries in his first three years in the league and it wasn't because JLEW was all-world all that time. When you look at it without bias, the only thing Harrison has that makes people interested in him at all is one three week stretch which was a TEAR...But, it was against two of the absolute worst run defenses in the league and a JAX team that had nothing to play for. If you throw out those STRANGE STRANGE sorry effort games against the Chiefs adn Raiders last year, he averaged 3.4 YPC and more importantly, the Browns lost 9 of the 11 games. The Browns and their coaches don't have the luxury of being that poor and uneventful again this year. I don't want to bash the guy and he's probably not as bad as that number makes it look but I just don't think the Browns orgnaization is in a position to run ad naseum like is being suggested and it translate so well for Harrison. In reality, they will probably be trailing a lot and will need to be more dynamic. Jobs are on the line this year with the coaches and I just dont think people are going to be content with it.
so why was/is Davis 4th on the depth chart?
 
So since we do only have 3 weeks worth of tape I figured I would go back and check them out.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/cleveland-browns...ison-highlights

http://www.nfl.com/videos/cleveland-browns...ison-highlights

http://www.nfl.com/videos/cleveland-browns...ison-highlights

So while yea it might have not been the best rushing defenses in the world, this guy can run. He has that quick burst and speed to break the long one and seems to have good balance. Everything the Browns said was they just weren't sure if he would hold up giving him 30 carries per game. Guess it won't matter now, they will be forced to see if he holds up this season.

 
So since we do only have 3 weeks worth of tape I figured I would go back and check them out.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/cleveland-browns...ison-highlights

http://www.nfl.com/videos/cleveland-browns...ison-highlights

http://www.nfl.com/videos/cleveland-browns...ison-highlights

So while yea it might have not been the best rushing defenses in the world, this guy can run. He has that quick burst and speed to break the long one and seems to have good balance. Everything the Browns said was they just weren't sure if he would hold up giving him 30 carries per game. Guess it won't matter now, they will be forced to see if he holds up this season.
He looks a little like Tiki Barber or Ray Rice.
 
fact: harrison is a starting RB on a run-first, run-often team.

fact: his biggest competitor for touches is now out for the season

fact: hillis, a journey-man back up, can produce when given opportunity, but his role is more of a fullback than a halfback

speculation: harrison will get his touches and you MIGHT be able to still draft him as your RB3. if he falters (or gets injured), hillis has had a good enough camp that he can get a chance to start and lead the rushing attack. so, if you think harrison will perform enough to keep his job AND not get hurt, then the projections i'm seeing above (1000-1300 total yards, 8-12 TDs) seem reasonable. however, if you think harrison is not that good or will fumble his job away or get injured because "he's prone," then more pedestrian numbers are in order with hillis being the surprise (late round, shark move) of the year.

personally, i wouldn't draft harrison as my RB2, but will target him as a RB3 and/or look to grab hillis as a RB5 (assuming the browns don't land a marshawn lynch or willis macgahee)

 
fact: harrison is a starting RB on a run-first, run-often team.fact: his biggest competitor for touches is now out for the seasonfact: hillis, a journey-man back up, can produce when given opportunity, but his role is more of a fullback than a halfback
Very little of that looks factual to me..... we'll see what happens next Sunday though.
 
fact: harrison is a starting RB on a run-first, run-often team.fact: his biggest competitor for touches is now out for the seasonfact: hillis, a journey-man back up, can produce when given opportunity, but his role is more of a fullback than a halfback
Very little of that looks factual to me..... we'll see what happens next Sunday though.
What about his statements is not fact?
 
Folks are still saying Hillis is the back to have here. I just don't get it.
He is the back to have at the dirt cheap price. Hillis and Harrison split first team reps all pre-season and Hillis looked better, it's not the be all end all but it is worth noting.IMO the floor for Hillis is the short end of a 60/40 or 65/35 split. The plus side is it sure looks like he will get both the goal line and receptions out of the backfield. If he continues to look better than Harrison during the year the split could change in favor of Hillis while still maintaining goal line and receptions.
 
fact: harrison is a starting RB on a run-first, run-often team.fact: his biggest competitor for touches is now out for the seasonfact: hillis, a journey-man back up, can produce when given opportunity, but his role is more of a fullback than a halfback
Very little of that looks factual to me..... we'll see what happens next Sunday though.
What about his statements is not fact?
Well, "fact" 2 is ignoring the actual fact that Hillis has been spending alot of time running w/ the 1's while Montario was nursing injuries prior to his season ending injury last night. And "fact" three inappropriately labels Hillis a journey-man (this is his 3rd year and his second team) in my opinion... but more importantly, his role doesn't appear to be that of a FB, that'd be Vickers from what I've seen.
 
I think Lynch has a new home in a few days and that's the best thing that could happen for the brownies. If that doesn't happen, then I think Davis is actually the best option you have. Hillis can't stay healthy either.Jerome Harrison...sorry, i'm not buying. There has to be a reason the guy had less than 100 carries in his first three years in the league and it wasn't because JLEW was all-world all that time. When you look at it without bias, the only thing Harrison has that makes people interested in him at all is one three week stretch which was a TEAR...But, it was against two of the absolute worst run defenses in the league and a JAX team that had nothing to play for. If you throw out those STRANGE STRANGE sorry effort games against the Chiefs adn Raiders last year, he averaged 3.4 YPC and more importantly, the Browns lost 9 of the 11 games. The Browns and their coaches don't have the luxury of being that poor and uneventful again this year. I don't want to bash the guy and he's probably not as bad as that number makes it look but I just don't think the Browns orgnaization is in a position to run ad naseum like is being suggested and it translate so well for Harrison. In reality, they will probably be trailing a lot and will need to be more dynamic. Jobs are on the line this year with the coaches and I just dont think people are going to be content with it.
Good post. I'm not buying, either. Don't get me wrong, I've spent 3.5 of the last 4 years staring at Harrison on the waiver wire with his receiving ability and career 5+ ypc average ( prior to late last season ) and wondering why the coaches never played him behind an aging and plodding Jamal Lewis. There had/has to be a reason. To my very unseasoned eyes, the highlight videos from late last year show a decent 3rd-down back with a good O-line running through huge holes in very bad defenses. I don't see great speed, many broken tackles, or much in the way of move-the-pile ability. He doesn't look to me like the next Priest Holmes/Michael Turner as far as a huge-talent guy who sat on the bench as a backup for his first few years. Chester Taylor seems similar to me....an "if only" guy who everyone says could be a top-10 back except for the fact that year after year the NFL coaches who eat, sleep and breathe football fail to see the "obvious" potential that we armchair football savants do.As has been pointed out in other threads, any NFL-caliber RB can put up very good numbers with 35+ carries a game, much less against bottom-tier defenses playing for nothing. The Browns are in a tough division with a tough schedule this year. For some reason I just get the sense that Harrison is a guy who will see his opportunities diminish at the first sign of inconsistency. I think he'll have a few big games this year, but my gut tells me he'll have half a dozen games with 20+ carries, at best. Maybe they'll throw a lot playing from behind, maybe Hillis ( who the coaches seem to be universally approving of ) will steal goalline touches, maybe Harrison puts the rock on the ground 3 times in a game again and he's done....I just think *something* will keep him from being any better than RB3/Flex.
 
1180 rushing130 receiving8 TDs
when Otis speaks people should listen. Seriously, he's been a solid poster for a long time. The fact that he's in on Harrison makes me more intrigued.
cleveland rang up a grand total 7 rushing td's last year --- 10 if you count the qb.the year prior to that they put up 6.
ok, but that was last year and this is this year. Teams step up and step down each year. I don't expect Clev. to be a juggernaut but I do know they have a pretty good line and Delhomme may be decent (definitely better than what they had last year).
 
fact: harrison is a starting RB on a run-first, run-often team.fact: his biggest competitor for touches is now out for the seasonfact: hillis, a journey-man back up, can produce when given opportunity, but his role is more of a fullback than a halfback
Very little of that looks factual to me..... we'll see what happens next Sunday though.
What about his statements is not fact?
hillis's role is more halfback this yr based on preseason indications. the browns already have one of the best fb in the league in vicker.
 
1180 rushing130 receiving8 TDs
when Otis speaks people should listen. Seriously, he's been a solid poster for a long time. The fact that he's in on Harrison makes me more intrigued.
To be clear, I don't love him like i loved Gore going into his breakout season, because he is not that kind of natural talent. I'm not promising he'll be a top ten RB. I just think he is way, way undervalued, and nobody seems to want to give him respect for whatever reason, despite that he has produced whenever asked to and given an opportunity to. He will significantly outperform his ADP and i would not be surprised to see him put up a few absolute monster weeks if the coaches give him the 25 carries he needs.
 
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1180 rushing130 receiving8 TDs
when Otis speaks people should listen. Seriously, he's been a solid poster for a long time. The fact that he's in on Harrison makes me more intrigued.
To be clear, I don't love him like i loved Gore going into his breakout season, because he is not that kind of natural talent. I'm not promising he'll be a top ten RB. I just think he is way, way undervalued, and nobody seems to want to give him respect for whatever reason, despite that he has produced whenever asked to and given an opportunity to. He will significantly outperform his ADP and i would not be surprised to see him put up a few absolute monster weeks if the coaches give him the 25 carries he needs.
I agree with you. I think there are a lot of people totally over-thinking this Harrison vs. Hillis thing, extrapolating random info, trying to predict what Mangini will do based on a few offseason moves. Harrison is the starter, guys.
 
Didn't Holmgren make a comment about Harrison being the guy before Hardesty was even hurt? I don't recall him saying anything about Hillis.

 
1180 rushing130 receiving8 TDs
when Otis speaks people should listen. Seriously, he's been a solid poster for a long time. The fact that he's in on Harrison makes me more intrigued.
To be clear, I don't love him like i loved Gore going into his breakout season, because he is not that kind of natural talent. I'm not promising he'll be a top ten RB. I just think he is way, way undervalued, and nobody seems to want to give him respect for whatever reason, despite that he has produced whenever asked to and given an opportunity to. He will significantly outperform his ADP and i would not be surprised to see him put up a few absolute monster weeks if the coaches give him the 25 carries he needs.
I agree completely. To me it depends largely on the line. If the line can be good Harrison can be gold.
 
Hillis is NOT the guy to have here- any person who pays close attention to the Browns would tell you that.

Hillis will have a Kevin Faulk like role and some potential value, but Harrison is the undisputed #1 (unlike anyone on the Pats).

However, do not expect the Browns to replicate the running game they had for the last 4 games of last season. Their schedule this year is utterly brutal.

Harrison will just break 1000 yards, but with a good 40 receptions for 200 yards. I see 8 combined TDs.

Don't expect more than that.

 
I've watched every Browns game for the past 8 years or so, and one of the things that puzzled me most during the Romeo years was why he didn't call Harrison's number more often. It seemed like every time he touched the ball, good things happened. I mean real life football game good things. Moving the chains, busting out a big play - stuff that gives a fan some hope - especially during those years when there wasn't much of that to go around.

Last year, the team committed to running the football and Harrison flat out delivered. People who are beleaguering the fact that there were an enormous amount of carries and the fact that these were weaker run defenses are forgetting that the commentators were constantly (and rightly so, I might add) bringing up the fact the fact that Cleveland hadn't scored a rushing touchdown in some insanely long number of quarters. It was embarrassing.

The Browns, with Mangini at the helm, started to give the ball to Harrison consistently and the Browns started to win football games. I remember Mangini being pissed when Harrison crossed the goal line on that 3rd TD of that huge game against KC. Taking a knee would have given the Browns the game, but a TD gave KC a chance. Harrison crossed the goal line anyway, and I'm all for it. Make a statement about what Browns football ought to be about. Run the ball & you just may win a few games!

I like Hillis a lot. I think the Browns went out and got him because they want to run some funky formations and he is a good all around football player. I think he is the guy to have over Davis, but I think Harrison is the guy to have in this offense. He's put in the time. It is his turn to shine.

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Folks are still saying Hillis is the back to have here. I just don't get it.
He is the back to have at the dirt cheap price. Hillis and Harrison split first team reps all pre-season and Hillis looked better, it's not the be all end all but it is worth noting.IMO the floor for Hillis is the short end of a 60/40 or 65/35 split. The plus side is it sure looks like he will get both the goal line and receptions out of the backfield. If he continues to look better than Harrison during the year the split could change in favor of Hillis while still maintaining goal line and receptions.
:shock: This is all those of us who are a little intrigued by Hillis are saying. Harrison has the job but Hillis will be plenty involved in the offense and will have the chance to do more if he is good enough or if Harrison doesn't grab the opportunity.
 
Folks are still saying Hillis is the back to have here. I just don't get it.
He is the back to have at the dirt cheap price. Hillis and Harrison split first team reps all pre-season and Hillis looked better, it's not the be all end all but it is worth noting.IMO the floor for Hillis is the short end of a 60/40 or 65/35 split. The plus side is it sure looks like he will get both the goal line and receptions out of the backfield. If he continues to look better than Harrison during the year the split could change in favor of Hillis while still maintaining goal line and receptions.
:rolleyes: This is all those of us who are a little intrigued by Hillis are saying. Harrison has the job but Hillis will be plenty involved in the offense and will have the chance to do more if he is good enough or if Harrison doesn't grab the opportunity.
:mellow: 60/40 is the absolute ceiling for Hillis, not the floor.He will vulture TDs at the goal line for sure, and catch a decent number of balls, but this makes him a situational back. This is NOT a RBBC, especially after Hardesty's injury.
 

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