Luck in the past tense, as it was bad luck. If Adrian Peterson get hit in the knee and tears his ACL, it wont be because he was injury prone, its because he was unlucky, caught a bad break, a freak injury, call it what you want, but there is no way to factor who might get injured. Other than like i said in a previous post, about factoring postion, playing style, etc. There are a few types of injuries that might make me skeptical of a players future, like concussions, herniated disks, and other type of injuries that can linger. However, most injuries are the kind that dont concern me anymore once they heal. Which is the case with the injuries Felix Jones has suffered. Let me ask you this, did you avoid rank Gore earlier in his career, what about Andre Johnson, Fred Taylor?You are mixing stuff up. The not smart thing is using luck as the reason people get injured. The right/wrong thing is prediction of injury. I'll admit that I was wrong if Jones stays healthy for the season, sure. Your last question - what is my theory? I don't think I have one, unless you are talking about Jones in specific and not in a general sense. If it makes you happy, I'll say right now that I'm not smart. I had to work pretty hard for my degrees.So if Jones stays healthy all year you will admit to not being smart? Would that totally debunk your "injury proness" theory?
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Yes, if AP got a fluke hit (say like McGahee) then I agree that is fluky and terrible luck. Can't really say if Felix is necessarily "prone" quite yet as 2 seasons isn't that large of a sample size. But honestly, if he pulls his hammy again and misses 3-4+ games, are we gonna hear the same defense of him? When is one classified as prone?Luck in the past tense, as it was bad luck. If Adrian Peterson get hit in the knee and tears his ACL, it wont be because he was injury prone, its because he was unlucky, caught a bad break, a freak injury, call it what you want, but there is no way to factor who might get injured. Other than like i said in a previous post, about factoring postion, playing style, etc. There are a few types of injuries that might make me skeptical of a players future, like concussions, herniated disks, and other type of injuries that can linger. However, most injuries are the kind that dont concern me anymore once they heal. Which is the case with the injuries Felix Jones has suffered. Let me ask you this, did you avoid rank Gore earlier in his career, what about Andre Johnson, Fred Taylor?You are mixing stuff up. The not smart thing is using luck as the reason people get injured. The right/wrong thing is prediction of injury. I'll admit that I was wrong if Jones stays healthy for the season, sure. Your last question - what is my theory? I don't think I have one, unless you are talking about Jones in specific and not in a general sense. If it makes you happy, I'll say right now that I'm not smart. I had to work pretty hard for my degrees.So if Jones stays healthy all year you will admit to not being smart? Would that totally debunk your "injury proness" theory?
I think if he gets injured again this season you are going to find it very difficult to defend your position.
Yes, if AP got a fluke hit (say like McGahee) then I agree that is fluky and terrible luck. Can't really say if Felix is necessarily "prone" quite yet as 2 seasons isn't that large of a sample size. But honestly, if he pulls his hammy again and misses 3-4+ games, are we gonna hear the same defense of him? When is one classified as prone?
I think if he gets injured again this season you are going to find it very difficult to defend your position.
Obviously if he gets hurt again, then your right, it would be tougher, but what if he went on to have 5 straight seasons without injury? Fred Tayloer missed multile games in each of his first few seasons, and went on to have plenty of healthy season after that. How many players can you think of that were deemed injury prone on these boards and ended up getting hurt regularly after that? There are plenty of examples of players who were "injury prone" early in their careers and went on to have relatively injury free careers. It wasnt too long ago i was arguing the same thing about Andre Johnson. No matter what happens with Jones, it wont change my mind, as i have acquired alot of "injury prone" players in the past, and i cant think of one that has backfired.
I think if he gets injured again this season you are going to find it very difficult to defend your position.
Obviously if he gets hurt again, then your right, it would be tougher, but what if he went on to have 5 straight seasons without injury? Fred Tayloer missed multile games in each of his first few seasons, and went on to have plenty of healthy season after that. How many players can you think of that were deemed injury prone on these boards and ended up getting hurt regularly after that? There are plenty of examples of players who were "injury prone" early in their careers and went on to have relatively injury free careers. It wasnt too long ago i was arguing the same thing about Andre Johnson. No matter what happens with Jones, it wont change my mind, as i have acquired alot of "injury prone" players in the past, and i cant think of one that has backfired.
Phurfur
Footballguy
The problem I have is that Jones' injuries are not a result of big hits. One of the injuries in his rookie year happened in rehab. When he gets injured the first thing I think is "How did he get hurt on that play?" He also takes forever to heal and is not effective unless he is 100%Luck in the past tense, as it was bad luck. If Adrian Peterson get hit in the knee and tears his ACL, it wont be because he was injury prone, its because he was unlucky, caught a bad break, a freak injury, call it what you want, but there is no way to factor who might get injured. Other than like i said in a previous post, about factoring postion, playing style, etc. There are a few types of injuries that might make me skeptical of a players future, like concussions, herniated disks, and other type of injuries that can linger. However, most injuries are the kind that dont concern me anymore once they heal. Which is the case with the injuries Felix Jones has suffered. Let me ask you this, did you avoid rank Gore earlier in his career, what about Andre Johnson, Fred Taylor?You are mixing stuff up. The not smart thing is using luck as the reason people get injured. The right/wrong thing is prediction of injury. I'll admit that I was wrong if Jones stays healthy for the season, sure. Your last question - what is my theory? I don't think I have one, unless you are talking about Jones in specific and not in a general sense. If it makes you happy, I'll say right now that I'm not smart. I had to work pretty hard for my degrees.So if Jones stays healthy all year you will admit to not being smart? Would that totally debunk your "injury proness" theory?
It is certainly possible those injuries were due to lack of conditioning, which his bench press at the combine would indicate, not to mention the type of injuries. That is worse case scenario for me, and that doesnt even concern me that much. Unless he does nothing to fix it, which i think he already has since he has put on 15+ lbs since the combine.The problem I have is that Jones' injuries are not a result of big hits. One of the injuries in his rookie year happened in rehab. When he gets injured the first thing I think is "How did he get hurt on that play?" He also takes forever to heal and is not effective unless he is 100%Luck in the past tense, as it was bad luck. If Adrian Peterson get hit in the knee and tears his ACL, it wont be because he was injury prone, its because he was unlucky, caught a bad break, a freak injury, call it what you want, but there is no way to factor who might get injured. Other than like i said in a previous post, about factoring postion, playing style, etc. There are a few types of injuries that might make me skeptical of a players future, like concussions, herniated disks, and other type of injuries that can linger. However, most injuries are the kind that dont concern me anymore once they heal. Which is the case with the injuries Felix Jones has suffered. Let me ask you this, did you avoid rank Gore earlier in his career, what about Andre Johnson, Fred Taylor?You are mixing stuff up. The not smart thing is using luck as the reason people get injured. The right/wrong thing is prediction of injury. I'll admit that I was wrong if Jones stays healthy for the season, sure. Your last question - what is my theory? I don't think I have one, unless you are talking about Jones in specific and not in a general sense. If it makes you happy, I'll say right now that I'm not smart. I had to work pretty hard for my degrees.So if Jones stays healthy all year you will admit to not being smart? Would that totally debunk your "injury proness" theory?
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
Ohh
My most sincere apologies Switz, my good man. Please allow me to rephrase my post with the elegance that a classy gentleman such as yourself deserves...Switz + Felix = Man Love, I read that one right under your Mom tattoo.
JK...Not really interested too much in your projections one way or the other, just curious if your argument went beyond "if the trainer would'nt have pulled his toe..."
I do agree that Felix has all world talent, but it will be pretty tough to project any numbers for any of the 3 guys in the backfield with Grimace coaching and duffus calling the plays. Heck MBIII was looking pretty studly when he pulled up lame, Choice looked solid, and yes Felix was great. Problem is they have a hard time getting consistent play when they are in and out all the time. Come on Wade, pick a guy and run with him.
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switz
Footballguy
best anti-felix argument in the thread.
About players being injury prone, as 1 is a small sample size.Why does my opinion anger you so much?
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
Sorry. :( I'm just fooling about. I saw you defined words clumsily (IMO) and tried to subtly express that, but it never worked. I still care for you, Go DeepAbout players being injury prone, as 1 is a small sample size.Why does my opinion anger you so much?
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
When one dons a jersey that starts with a '2' or a '3' and lines up seven yards behind the QB .
I never attempted to define any word, and if you didnt understand a point i was trying to make, it wasnt because i was being subtle. I will try one more time though, because i like you.I dont put much, if any stock into injury proness because a player sufferd what i believe to be fluky injuries. A concussion, herniated disk, maybe those tyoes of injuries would concern me a bit, but those are not common. RB's in general are always a pretty big injury risk, but since they are required in my starting lineups, i have to have them. if i think any RB is any more prone to injury than another, it is bigger backs. The kind that seek out contact(Marion Barber, Brandon Jacobs, etc,) are more likely to get hurt than smaller, quicker backs.phthalatemagic said:Sorry.Go deep said:About players being injury prone, as 1 is a small sample size.
Why does my opinion anger you so much?
In this case, injuries are a gift, because it is the only thing that is allowing me to get Felix Jones right now without paying top a top 10 RB price. Kind of like how Frank Gore slid to me in rookie drafts because of injury concerns. Andre Johnson(which i never understood why he was even deemed injury prone) lasted much further in drafts over the last few years for the same reason. The list goes on and on, yet i dont really remember ANY player having the injury prone label, and that player actually going on to get hurt on a consistent basis.
Listen, do yourself a favor, trade for Felix now. Maybe trade Baber why he still has some value left.
Wyld Stallyns
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That article says that Felix is likely to be a 4th or 5th round pick now - With 200+ touches (finally) there's potential for SOD next year. If that ADP holds up I'll be trying add him in as many leagues as possible. His ceiling outweighs the risk of injury IMO, plus if you can nab MB3 late as insurance then you're pretty well set even if he does get hurt. Well, I guess I should say WHEN he does gets hurt - it's really only a question of how bad it'll be and how much time he'll miss. Regardless, worth the gamble.
Shutout
Footballguy
I put Felix in the "AJ test study" group. Tons of ability, seems to be snake bitten. But I use AJ as my test subject. That guy was ALWAYS getting traded around in my leagues for big price tags...and then he was always hurt, but then, for the past few years, he has remained healthy and he's arguably the most valuable WR out there now. And now, even if AJ were to get hurt and miss a month, his value would still be very high.
Point being, until Felix puts up good numbers and stays healthy, the recent memory of him is always going to be that he is an injury risk. BUT, all Felix has to do is come out this year, play and stay healthy, and put up numbers, and he will have great value for a few years, regardless.
I think its worth the gamble as he is still a buy low guy, relatively speaking. I look at the types of injuries he has had and its obvious that his injuries are not the type to be worried about any more than any other RB getting hurt, but they did happen to be the absolute worst type a RB can have when a RB relies on his type of skillset. I really expect Felix to be a great asset to FF teams this year.
Point being, until Felix puts up good numbers and stays healthy, the recent memory of him is always going to be that he is an injury risk. BUT, all Felix has to do is come out this year, play and stay healthy, and put up numbers, and he will have great value for a few years, regardless.
I think its worth the gamble as he is still a buy low guy, relatively speaking. I look at the types of injuries he has had and its obvious that his injuries are not the type to be worried about any more than any other RB getting hurt, but they did happen to be the absolute worst type a RB can have when a RB relies on his type of skillset. I really expect Felix to be a great asset to FF teams this year.
Banger
Footballguy
I don't know about how low his value really is. I'm in a couple of dynsaty leagues and the guy isn't cheap by any stretch. Most owners are in love with his talent and think he's a stud but injury status and crowded backfield have held his value down (and they're right). Now if he's "the starter" and healthy going into the season they are going to want a lot in return since most have sat on him and been teased for two years.
If you can get him cheap go for it but I just think the Felix owners are going to want more than non-Felix owners will be willing to pay in most cases. I think most Felix owners will be stuck and end up continuing to hold onto him another year. That's been my experience at least.
If you can get him cheap go for it but I just think the Felix owners are going to want more than non-Felix owners will be willing to pay in most cases. I think most Felix owners will be stuck and end up continuing to hold onto him another year. That's been my experience at least.
Felix owners have already factored his potential into his trade value.