Jerry Richardson is the NEW Al Davis! (1 Viewer)

[Warpig]

Per rotoworld:

"Panthers agreed to terms with K Olindo Mare on a four-year, $12 million contract, including a $4 million signing bonus"

Between this and signing a 28 year old rotation RB to a $43 million deal this guy has lost his mind. And wasn't he the main one disrespecting the players during negotiations? Apparently he knows something no one else does.

Giving a 38 year old kicker 4 million guaranteed in a deal that averages 3 million a year.

LOL!

Guess WR isn't a priority. Poor Cam.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Also gave Charles Johnson DE $72 million for 6 years with $30 mil guaranteed.

Maybe he's just used to having 40 yo kickers from all those Kasay years.

 

[Warpig]

Also gave Charles Johnson DE $72 million for 6 years with $30 mil guaranteed.Maybe he's just used to having 40 yo kickers from all those Kasay years.

Yeah...I forgot about the $72 million to Charles Johnson. So 72 + 43 + 12 = 127 million on 3 players...including a stinking kicker. Guess he isn't concerned with adding D-linemen or WR's to help out. Just resigning his buddies.

 

[Terpman22]

Also gave Charles Johnson DE $72 million for 6 years with $30 mil guaranteed.Maybe he's just used to having 40 yo kickers from all those Kasay years.

Isn't it more that he probably would have had to pay Cam 80+ mil with the last CBA, but is saving a ton now(22 over the 1st 4 years) and he has to spend it anyway? I don't agree with the amount for the kicker, but I give him credit for at least trying to keep his guys.

 

[LawFitz]

The new salary floor is likely causing inflated salaries and will cause some disruption in player fair value until owners get used to it.

 

[hephner]

The new salary floor is likely causing inflated salaries and will cause some disruption in player fair value until owners get used to it.

Exactly. If I'm not mistaken, the Panthers had the lowest payroll (or at least in the bottom few) in the NFL last year. They took advantage of the uncapped year by trying to save a lot of money. With the new minimum cap floor, they had a lot of ground to make up, so it's not a surprise they are spending. Maybe a bit surprising the way they are spending it, but they have to spend it on something.

 

[Ian F]

Is there any sense to what they are doing though?

I'm a Deangelo fan but that is silly money for a RB his age.

From where I stand they spent money on a RB who best case has a couple elite years left and will be on the decline right around the time Cam is ready to win playoff games (if he ever is) and that will coincide with JStew becoming a UFA. I bet they keep S Smith so that all there weapons are old by the time the QB is ready. Seems really dumb

 

[Sweet Love]

Out of curiosity (and I have seen it in a lot of threads), why is it Richardson who is signing people (or accused of) versus his GM, Marty Hurney? If the Jets did this, it would not be "Woody has gone off his rocker"...we would be discussing Tannenbaum, his GM.

 

[ffchamp1]

and they just resigned Thomas Davis and James Anderson

 

[Kleck]

Why do I get the feeling John Candy was in the background of these deals yelling "10-million, 10-million, 10-million dollars!"

 

[FavreCo]

Hoping to not finish dead last in the league again and have to pass on Andrew Luck. Odds are they are still the worst in the league.

 

[Defending Champs]

Out of curiosity (and I have seen it in a lot of threads), why is it Richardson who is signing people (or accused of) versus his GM, Marty Hurney? If the Jets did this, it would not be "Woody has gone off his rocker"...we would be discussing Tannenbaum, his GM.

Valid question, though sometimes owners just have a knack for being cheap, overpayers, etc.Al Davis - EccentricMike Brown - Fill in blankJerry Jones - Jerry JonesBring on other owners and I'm sure they will have their tendancies, good or bad.

 

[GregR_2]

and they just resigned Thomas Davis and James Anderson

Thomas Davis wasn't a free agent.

 

[Sweet Love]

Out of curiosity (and I have seen it in a lot of threads), why is it Richardson who is signing people (or accused of) versus his GM, Marty Hurney? If the Jets did this, it would not be "Woody has gone off his rocker"...we would be discussing Tannenbaum, his GM.

Valid question, though sometimes owners just have a knack for being cheap, overpayers, etc.Al Davis - EccentricMike Brown - Fill in blankJerry Jones - Jerry JonesBring on other owners and I'm sure they will have their tendancies, good or bad.

The difference is, not one of those teams has a GM (unless the owner assumes that role himself). Richardson is an owner, just like Jim Irsay.

 

[Warpig]

The main point I was trying to get across is, instead of D-Will, they could have rolled with J-Stew, Goodson, and Sutton and added a Sidney Rice instead. How freaking sweet would that have been for Panther fans? I understand a certain amount of loyalty to keep your inhouse players, but if I were the owner/GM of the Panthers, I would have rather had Sidney Rice instead of an unnecessary luxury like D-will.

They will suck worse than Seattle this year and I will laugh my backside off if they get the #1 pick again and are staring at Luck! LOL!

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

The main point I was trying to get across is, instead of D-Will, they could have rolled with J-Stew, Goodson, and Sutton and added a Sidney Rice instead. How freaking sweet would that have been for Panther fans? I understand a certain amount of loyalty to keep your inhouse players, but if I were the owner/GM of the Panthers, I would have rather had Sidney Rice instead of an unnecessary luxury like D-will.They will suck worse than Seattle this year and I will laugh my backside off if they get the #1 pick again and are staring at Luck! LOL!

I agree... I think that Goodson and Sutton are both starting caliber RBs as well, and that DWill was just a gross waste of money.A team with that many holes does not need to have 4 staring RBs on it. He should be trading some of that depth to fill team needs (god knows there's a lot of them)

 

[Carolina Hustler]

and they just resigned Thomas Davis and James Anderson

Thomas Davis wasn't a free agent.

His contract still needed to be addressed..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

The main point I was trying to get across is, instead of D-Will, they could have rolled with J-Stew, Goodson, and Sutton and added a Sidney Rice instead. How freaking sweet would that have been for Panther fans? I understand a certain amount of loyalty to keep your inhouse players, but if I were the owner/GM of the Panthers, I would have rather had Sidney Rice instead of an unnecessary luxury like D-will.They will suck worse than Seattle this year and I will laugh my backside off if they get the #1 pick again and are staring at Luck! LOL!

I agree... I think that Goodson and Sutton are both starting caliber RBs as well, and that DWill was just a gross waste of money.A team with that many holes does not need to have 4 staring RBs on it. He should be trading some of that depth to fill team needs (god knows there's a lot of them)

From what I understand, they still have room to move in free agency.. WR and D-line are the issues, maybe DB.. They have money to work with. And a heavy running attack for Cams first couple years will be very helpful to his development.

 

[pantherclub]

Hoping to not finish dead last in the league again and have to pass on Andrew Luck. Odds are they are still the worst in the league.

I thought this as well in the off season but holy hell they are getting a lot of quality players back and if Smitty stays I think they can squeeze out 6-8 wins. The defense isnt that bad as long as they find a corner and who knows how Cam will do with 3 good to great rb's and a good run blocking line.

 

[Novice2]

Hoping to not finish dead last in the league again and have to pass on Andrew Luck. Odds are they are still the worst in the league.

Well with the rookie salary change maybe they can trade Luck ( #1 pick ) for a kings ransom.

 

[pantherclub]

Hoping to not finish dead last in the league again and have to pass on Andrew Luck. Odds are they are still the worst in the league.

Well with the rookie salary change maybe they can trade Luck ( #1 pick ) for a kings ransom.

I think they are too talented now to get another #1. They likely will be in the top 10 probably top 5 but if they are picking 1 again something really bad has happened and the coach probably needs to be fired. Thats a lot of talent up and down the board. All he has to do is put a plan in place where Newton can manage the game and not have to win it all by himself.

 

[Riflemen]

Cap implications of Richardson's spending spree. That 21 million in guaranteed $$$ for Dwill is going to bite them in the butt sooner rather than later.

Yasinkas Blog ESPN

The recent spending spree by the Carolina Panthers, highlighted by owner Jerry Richardson writing checks for more than $100 million in signing bonuses, is going to come with a very steep price -- down the road.

I just looked ahead to what each team currently has committed to the salary cap in 2014 and 2015. The Panthers lead the league in both years and it’s not even close.

The Panthers already have $91.6 million committed toward the cap in 2014. The Green Bay Packers are next at $62 million and most teams are around $30 million to $40 million. Heck, the Cleveland Browns are last with $17.7 million scheduled against the cap that year.

The rest of the NFC South is on the higher end of the list for 2014, Atlanta is at $55 million. New Orleans is at $53 million and Tampa Bay is a little over $50 million.

In 2015, with Charles Johnson slated to have a $15 million cap figure, the Panthers have $61 million committed to the cap and that’s made up of exactly six players (Johnson, James Anderson, Jon Beason, DeAngelo Williams, Greg Olsen and Thomas Davis) currently under contract through that year. Only the San Diego Chargers are even remotely close at $43 million.

In 2015, Atlanta currently has $37 million committed toward the cap and Tampa Bay has $30 million. Both are well above the league average, which is $22 million. The Saints are at $15.9 million.

Interesting note here, the Bengals and Dolphins don’t have a penny committed to the 2015 cap yet and the Minnesota Vikings are at $1.4 million.

 

[solorca]

I don't think there is much wrong with locking up their young stars like Beason, Johnson, Davis, etc. Yeah, they have a ton committed to the cap, but they also have young players locked up for many years.

As a Panthers fan, the only move that baffles me is the DeAngelo signing. I like the guy, but we probably could have gotten a good CB and WR for the money that was spent on him.

Jerry Richardson/Marty Hurney has always made it a point of retaining their good young players by overpaying if they have to, while filling in the gaps with cheaper free agent options.

 

[Sweet Love]

Cap implications of Richardson's spending spree. That 21 million in guaranteed $$$ for Dwill is going to bite them in the butt sooner rather than later.

Yasinkas Blog ESPN

The recent spending spree by the Carolina Panthers, highlighted by owner Jerry Richardson writing checks for more than $100 million in signing bonuses, is going to come with a very steep price -- down the road.

I just looked ahead to what each team currently has committed to the salary cap in 2014 and 2015. The Panthers lead the league in both years and it’s not even close.

The Panthers already have $91.6 million committed toward the cap in 2014. The Green Bay Packers are next at $62 million and most teams are around $30 million to $40 million. Heck, the Cleveland Browns are last with $17.7 million scheduled against the cap that year.

The rest of the NFC South is on the higher end of the list for 2014, Atlanta is at $55 million. New Orleans is at $53 million and Tampa Bay is a little over $50 million.

In 2015, with Charles Johnson slated to have a $15 million cap figure, the Panthers have $61 million committed to the cap and that’s made up of exactly six players (Johnson, James Anderson, Jon Beason, DeAngelo Williams, Greg Olsen and Thomas Davis) currently under contract through that year. Only the San Diego Chargers are even remotely close at $43 million.

In 2015, Atlanta currently has $37 million committed toward the cap and Tampa Bay has $30 million. Both are well above the league average, which is $22 million. The Saints are at $15.9 million.

Interesting note here, the Bengals and Dolphins don’t have a penny committed to the 2015 cap yet and the Minnesota Vikings are at $1.4 million.

This is a little , but I will throw it out there nonetheless. The Panthers need to get to the floor in 2011 (no one will argue that point). Monies committed in years to come, are against the cap and not guaranteed in that particular year (i.e. 50 million signing bonus may be spread on the cap over 5 years at 10 million/year, but that player gets that money today), so really, they have found a way to limit themselves of paying actual monies in those years (10 million "cap hit" costs the owner nothing out of his pocket...just 10 million he cannot spend in that year). If you happen to be a cheap owner, you have now gotten yourself up to the minimum in 2011, but when you cut one of those players (one will certainly be gone beyond 2012), you have now found a sneaky way to save actual dollars AND still reach the cap floor. This of course, is all based on the assumption that Richardson is more interested in saving money versus winning. I am not implying he feels on way or the other, but my guess is that out of 32 teams, there are at least a few who look at "the business like this".I don't think these numbers are available (and revenue sharing may skew these numbers totally), but I would be interested in what teams #10-#32 make per year (this takes major city (or "hip" teams, like GB) teams and champions out of the equation). My guess is that the disparity is not as large as we would think, so by saving 30 million in real dollars, you may catapult from the cellar to mid-point range.

 

[solorca]

Cap implications of Richardson's spending spree. That 21 million in guaranteed $$$ for Dwill is going to bite them in the butt sooner rather than later.

Yasinkas Blog ESPN

The recent spending spree by the Carolina Panthers, highlighted by owner Jerry Richardson writing checks for more than $100 million in signing bonuses, is going to come with a very steep price -- down the road.

I just looked ahead to what each team currently has committed to the salary cap in 2014 and 2015. The Panthers lead the league in both years and it’s not even close.

The Panthers already have $91.6 million committed toward the cap in 2014. The Green Bay Packers are next at $62 million and most teams are around $30 million to $40 million. Heck, the Cleveland Browns are last with $17.7 million scheduled against the cap that year.

The rest of the NFC South is on the higher end of the list for 2014, Atlanta is at $55 million. New Orleans is at $53 million and Tampa Bay is a little over $50 million.

In 2015, with Charles Johnson slated to have a $15 million cap figure, the Panthers have $61 million committed to the cap and that’s made up of exactly six players (Johnson, James Anderson, Jon Beason, DeAngelo Williams, Greg Olsen and Thomas Davis) currently under contract through that year. Only the San Diego Chargers are even remotely close at $43 million.

In 2015, Atlanta currently has $37 million committed toward the cap and Tampa Bay has $30 million. Both are well above the league average, which is $22 million. The Saints are at $15.9 million.

Interesting note here, the Bengals and Dolphins don’t have a penny committed to the 2015 cap yet and the Minnesota Vikings are at $1.4 million.

This is a little , but I will throw it out there nonetheless. The Panthers need to get to the floor in 2011 (no one will argue that point). Monies committed in years to come, are against the cap and not guaranteed in that particular year (i.e. 50 million signing bonus may be spread on the cap over 5 years at 10 million/year, but that player gets that money today), so really, they have found a way to limit themselves of paying actual monies in those years (10 million "cap hit" costs the owner nothing out of his pocket...just 10 million he cannot spend in that year). If you happen to be a cheap owner, you have now gotten yourself up to the minimum in 2011, but when you cut one of those players (one will certainly be gone beyond 2012), you have now found a sneaky way to save actual dollars AND still reach the cap floor. This of course, is all based on the assumption that Richardson is more interested in saving money versus winning. I am not implying he feels on way or the other, but my guess is that out of 32 teams, there are at least a few who look at "the business like this".I don't think these numbers are available (and revenue sharing may skew these numbers totally), but I would be interested in what teams #10-#32 make per year (this takes major city (or "hip" teams, like GB) teams and champions out of the equation). My guess is that the disparity is not as large as we would think, so by saving 30 million in real dollars, you may catapult from the cellar to mid-point range.

Regardless of the opinion that last year caused people to have of him, Richardson has never been a cheap owner. Outside of last year, the Panthers have never had issues with spending close to (usually all of) the maximum allowed.

 

[ukshane]

Do you think losing his top three running backs last season due to injuries had anything to do with Richardson's desire to ensure plenty of depth at the position?

 

[FDC]

Do you think losing his top three running backs last season due to injuries had anything to do with Richardson's desire to ensure plenty of depth at the position?

It was implied in interviews that he brought Williams back basically because he thinks he is important to the franchise. At the time Smitty looked like he was on his way out. Moose, Pep, Hoov, Delhomme all gone in past couple years. Not many stars left for people to attract fans. Also, you add the fact that a good run game should help young QBs. And Chud's new offense is arguably better suited for a pass receiver like Williams and Stewart has struggled with drops. Lots of reasons to keep Williams around.

 

[Sabertooth]

How did Richardson make his money?

 

[FDC]

How did Richardson make his money?

Restaurant business

 

[Sabertooth]

How did Richardson make his money?

Restaurant business

Wow, did he open a chain or something? Seems like he's got a ton of cash.

 

[FDC]

Its a conglomerate of franchises, one of the biggest companies in South Carolina when he left. Dennys, Quinceys etc

 

[solorca]

Do you think losing his top three running backs last season due to injuries had anything to do with Richardson's desire to ensure plenty of depth at the position?

I think that it certainly played into the decision. Plus, Stewart has probably missed 3/4 of all practices since being drafted. The guy knows how to get healthy for a game, but he has a lot of trouble being in good enough shape to practice.

 

[Sweet Love]

Cap implications of Richardson's spending spree. That 21 million in guaranteed $$$ for Dwill is going to bite them in the butt sooner rather than later.

Yasinkas Blog ESPN

The recent spending spree by the Carolina Panthers, highlighted by owner Jerry Richardson writing checks for more than $100 million in signing bonuses, is going to come with a very steep price -- down the road.

I just looked ahead to what each team currently has committed to the salary cap in 2014 and 2015. The Panthers lead the league in both years and it’s not even close.

The Panthers already have $91.6 million committed toward the cap in 2014. The Green Bay Packers are next at $62 million and most teams are around $30 million to $40 million. Heck, the Cleveland Browns are last with $17.7 million scheduled against the cap that year.

The rest of the NFC South is on the higher end of the list for 2014, Atlanta is at $55 million. New Orleans is at $53 million and Tampa Bay is a little over $50 million.

In 2015, with Charles Johnson slated to have a $15 million cap figure, the Panthers have $61 million committed to the cap and that’s made up of exactly six players (Johnson, James Anderson, Jon Beason, DeAngelo Williams, Greg Olsen and Thomas Davis) currently under contract through that year. Only the San Diego Chargers are even remotely close at $43 million.

In 2015, Atlanta currently has $37 million committed toward the cap and Tampa Bay has $30 million. Both are well above the league average, which is $22 million. The Saints are at $15.9 million.

Interesting note here, the Bengals and Dolphins don’t have a penny committed to the 2015 cap yet and the Minnesota Vikings are at $1.4 million.

This is a little , but I will throw it out there nonetheless. The Panthers need to get to the floor in 2011 (no one will argue that point). Monies committed in years to come, are against the cap and not guaranteed in that particular year (i.e. 50 million signing bonus may be spread on the cap over 5 years at 10 million/year, but that player gets that money today), so really, they have found a way to limit themselves of paying actual monies in those years (10 million "cap hit" costs the owner nothing out of his pocket...just 10 million he cannot spend in that year). If you happen to be a cheap owner, you have now gotten yourself up to the minimum in 2011, but when you cut one of those players (one will certainly be gone beyond 2012), you have now found a sneaky way to save actual dollars AND still reach the cap floor. This of course, is all based on the assumption that Richardson is more interested in saving money versus winning. I am not implying he feels on way or the other, but my guess is that out of 32 teams, there are at least a few who look at "the business like this".I don't think these numbers are available (and revenue sharing may skew these numbers totally), but I would be interested in what teams #10-#32 make per year (this takes major city (or "hip" teams, like GB) teams and champions out of the equation). My guess is that the disparity is not as large as we would think, so by saving 30 million in real dollars, you may catapult from the cellar to mid-point range.

Regardless of the opinion that last year caused people to have of him, Richardson has never been a cheap owner. Outside of last year, the Panthers have never had issues with spending close to (usually all of) the maximum allowed.

I agree...always thought he represented well (I put the caveat in my post). I am just saying if someone needed to save money, this would be a great way of doing so. I am sure after last week, all 32 owners lost a lot of money (along with most of us) and anyone's investment strategy in their team can change from year-to-year.