Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (2 Viewers)

[CrossEyed]

One point I haven't really seen mentioned is that - again depending on what he knew and when - JoePa wasn't just a guy who knew about this and didn't report it. He was the one providing Sandusky with all the perks and access to the program to begin with, stuff that allowed Sandusky to get easy access to these kids. For little kids a pervert seduces them with candy and ice-cream. To 8-13 year old boys access to the players and sidelines, jerseys, and sports equipment is a powerful "bait" for the pervert.Again it depends on facts we don't know about yet, but JoePa was ultimately the one who allowed Sandusky access to the tools he used to repeatedly prey on these needy naive children. That gives JoePa way more responsibility that someone who merely witnessed a single incident and failed to report it.

I believe all former coaches and players have access to the football facility. I dony think Joe bestowed upon him emiterus status. From an earlier post that stated joe and sandusky havent spoken more than once since 99 i doubt their offices are near each other at all. Also joe didnt provide him access to the kids, nor did psu. The kids all came through the Second Mile charity that sandusky himself founded in 1977.

Give me a break. Paterno runs PSU.More "middle management" BS.

 

[Disco Stu]

Joe is super conservative. I know for a fact that at the 2005 orange bowl he didnt allow certain assistant coaches share hotel rooms with their fiances because they were not yet married.

ooofwhat irony.

"but he is old and senile and doesn't know what is going on?!?!?!"

"No sex with other consenting adults! Little kids are ok though."

Paterno is a good Catholic. :unrelated:

 

[AmosMoses]

Mike and Mike just reported that Paterno will retire at the end of the year.

where are they getting this? Twitter isn't saying anything like that and espn is usually well behind twitter

They read an AP report

then I don't buy it

My guess is that it has been floated by the trustees or Paterno to gauge reaction.

Not good enough. Does anyone here think him retiring in December is good enough?

 

[Angry Beavers]

Paterno retiring at season's end is hogwash. Neither he nor Big Red nor anyone who had any inkling that this kind of behavior was going on deserve to be empployed by days end, let alone not indicted yet.

I wonder if Joe won't make any statement as anything he says might just get him the indictment that people are looking to hand to him.

 

[Don Quixote]

Reports on Twitter that Scott Paterno has confirmed that Joe Paterno will retire at end of season.

 

[AmosMoses]

Like I said before, I'd like to see Pedo State do the right thing here, just once.

 

[koby925]

Whole lot of self-preservation surrounds this entire scandal. Not one of these guys thought for a minute about the kids who were involved. It was all about protecting themselves, PSU, and the football program. For that reason I find myself more and more leaning toward the death penalty for this program. Time to send a message that sports is not the most important thing in life. Our society needs a big-time wakeup call.

I don't know if it's the job of the NCAA to give sanctions here but PSU should clean house and enact a self-imposed death penalty (like Villanova did...another PA scandal that was swept under the rug). Howard Bryant has a good article on espen today about the abuse of power here and in general. This is at the heart of most scandals in the US and is a societal flaw. My link

 

[Fat Nick]

I want these people to burn as much as the next guy, but just quit with the 'Pedo State' crap. It makes you look juvenile and stupid. Emphasis on stupid.

Not really a lot of room for humor in this thread...but I guess I shouldn't expect anything different given the way this place has gone in recent years.

 

[beer 30]

Mike and Mike just reported that Paterno will retire at the end of the year.

where are they getting this? Twitter isn't saying anything like that and espn is usually well behind twitter

They read an AP report

then I don't buy it

My guess is that it has been floated by the trustees or Paterno to gauge reaction.

Not good enough. Does anyone here think him retiring in December is good enough?

No and frankly it shouldn't be his choice at this point. #### his reputation, it was ruined the minute this story broke.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Has the disappearance of DA Ray Gricar been discussed? He was the DA that decided not to prosecute Sandusky in '98 and then went missing several years later. Nothing really came of it but a little tidbit was that the last thing he searched for on his lap top (that was found in a river) was how to destroy a hard drive.

 

[culdeus]

So what groups are going to be out protesting at the game this weekend? What Vick was involved in was awful, and their were protestors at his games. TThis is on a different level.Starting to think their best "PR" move at this point would be to cancel the game. Again, I do feel very sorry for the players and fans (the fans not supporting Paterno).

dogs > kidsjust wait. There won't be 1/10th as many protesters here.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

The more I've thought about it, Mike McQueary is as big a coward as they come.This guy witnessed Sandusky raping a 10 year old boy in the shower. OK, I get that initially there may have just been so much shock that he didn't know what to do. I'm willing to give the guy a pass on not breaking it up on the spot. But after he reported it and nothing was done, how do you just act like you never saw what you saw? How do you continue to come to work every day in that facility knowing the guy that you personally watched rape a boy not only still has an office there and "emeritus" status, but that he continues to work with these Second Mile boys and continues to bring them to practice and hold overnight camps? How do you sleep at night? How do you live with yourself? How do you not say to yourself, "This is wrong, and if nobody else is going to do anything about it, I am, consequences be damned."?Gutless coward.

Agree 100%, matter of fact I said about the same thing a few posts above yours. to further implicate another individual, what about his dad? Whose sage advice was to leave. Not grab the kid, not call the cops but leave.

Whole lot of self-preservation surrounds this entire scandal. Not one of these guys thought for a minute about the kids who were involved. It was all about protecting themselves, PSU, and the football program. For that reason I find myself more and more leaning toward the death penalty for this program. Time to send a message that sports is not the most important thing in life. Our society needs a big-time wakeup call.

The fact that the authorties did nothing tells me that this scandal goes much higher.What did the BOT know? Does the Governor sit on the BOT?

 

[Fat Nick]

Give me a break. Paterno runs PSU.More "middle management" BS.

I keep reading this...over and over...posted by many people. CrossEyed, I'm not singling you out, but using your post as my example. Paterno "runs" PSU...but he doesn't RUN PSU. Like it or not, no matter how popular you are, you still work for an organization. Paterno can't sign his own paycheck. Paterno can't do whatever he pleases. Is he afforded A LOT of power? Yes. But he doesn't run PSU, likely had no legal or authoritative power to bypass the chain of command, etc. I'm not saying how he handled it was right, but saying he ran PSU is to say that HE had the power to fire Sandusky, etc. This just isn't true. He could influence firings, but HE can't fire someone who doesn't work for him.

 

[belljr]

Yep ESPN announced he plans to retire.

IF he makes a statement something like:

"In my beliefs as a human I failed. I failed to protect innocent children. I may have thought I was doing the right thing in reporting the problem but I did not do enough as a human being to see this through. In the end I did not do enough and am partly responsible for not making sure this behavior was stopped. I know it's not fair what happened to those kids. I ask for forgiveness as a person and will step down at end of season. I owe my apologies and prayers to the victims but I also owe it to our current team and students to have them not be punished for something they had no involvement in"

not sure of the wording but something like that. Then I might be ok with it

 

[AmosMoses]

I want these people to burn as much as the next guy, but just quit with the 'Pedo State' crap. It makes you look juvenile and stupid. Emphasis on stupid.

Not really a lot of room for humor in this thread...but I guess I shouldn't expect anything different given the way this place has gone in recent years.

Based on your posts here, we all know where you stand. Let's not act like you have any sort of moral authority.

 

[Parrothead]

:(

 

[whoknew]

Yep ESPN announced he plans to retire.

IF he makes a statement something like:

"In my beliefs as a human I failed. I failed to protect innocent children. I may have thought I was doing the right thing in reporting the problem but I did not do enough as a human being to see this through. In the end I did not do enough and am partly responsible for not making sure this behavior was stopped. I know it's not fair what happened to those kids. I ask for forgiveness as a person and will step down at end of season. I owe my apologies and prayers to the victims but I also owe it to our current team and students to have them not be punished for something they had no involvement in"

not sure of the wording but something like that. Then I might be ok with it

Two things:

1) Based on the mini pep rally he participated in last night - I doubt very much he's going to give that statement.

2) If I were Paterno's lawyer, there's no way I'd let him give that statement.

 

[CrossEyed]

Give me a break. Paterno runs PSU.More "middle management" BS.

I keep reading this...over and over...posted by many people. CrossEyed, I'm not singling you out, but using your post as my example. Paterno "runs" PSU...but he doesn't RUN PSU. Like it or not, no matter how popular you are, you still work for an organization. Paterno can't sign his own paycheck. Paterno can't do whatever he pleases. Is he afforded A LOT of power? Yes. But he doesn't run PSU, likely had no legal or authoritative power to bypass the chain of command, etc. I'm not saying how he handled it was right, but saying he ran PSU is to say that HE had the power to fire Sandusky, etc. This just isn't true. He could influence firings, but HE can't fire someone who doesn't work for him.

You think he couldn't have had him barred from the campus, given the circumstances? I don't buy that for a minute.ETA: Sandusky was already fired.

 

[beer 30]

So what groups are going to be out protesting at the game this weekend? What Vick was involved in was awful, and their were protestors at his games. TThis is on a different level.Starting to think their best "PR" move at this point would be to cancel the game. Again, I do feel very sorry for the players and fans (the fans not supporting Paterno).

I don't think cancelling the game is an option. Why penalize all those kids on the sidelines that bought into the program for something they had no control or even knowledge of. The right "PR" move at this point, AT THE VERY LEAST, is to suspend indefinitely without pay or access to the facilities Paterno, McQueary & anyone else involved that is still with the program. I would fire them but nobody from Happy Valley is calling me to ask.

 

[comfortably numb]

Mike and Mike just reported that Paterno will retire at the end of the year.

where are they getting this? Twitter isn't saying anything like that and espn is usually well behind twitter

They read an AP report

then I don't buy it

My guess is that it has been floated by the trustees or Paterno to gauge reaction.

Not good enough. Does anyone here think him retiring in December is good enough?

IMO the safety of many players is at risk by allowing him and anyone involved to travel to Wisconsin and Ohio.Maybe I am overreacting, but all it takes is one dope to throw a D battery at the sidelines and hit someone on the medical staff or some crap, or a riot breaking out, then PSU will be dealing with how could they not foresee the potential harm they sent their players and staff into.This is not picketing a company with 1000 people outside.This is 100K people in a small area with a good portion of them being young drunken males.

 

[E-Z Glider]

I want these people to burn as much as the next guy, but just quit with the 'Pedo State' crap. It makes you look juvenile and stupid. Emphasis on stupid.

Not really a lot of room for humor in this thread...but I guess I shouldn't expect anything different given the way this place has gone in recent years.

Sadly it's become a full on schadenfreude orgy here for a handful of posters.

 

[Joseph]

Give me a break. Paterno runs PSU.More "middle management" BS.

I keep reading this...over and over...posted by many people. CrossEyed, I'm not singling you out, but using your post as my example. Paterno "runs" PSU...but he doesn't RUN PSU. Like it or not, no matter how popular you are, you still work for an organization. Paterno can't sign his own paycheck. Paterno can't do whatever he pleases. Is he afforded A LOT of power? Yes. But he doesn't run PSU, likely had no legal or authoritative power to bypass the chain of command, etc. I'm not saying how he handled it was right, but saying he ran PSU is to say that HE had the power to fire Sandusky, etc. This just isn't true. He could influence firings, but HE can't fire someone who doesn't work for him.

I can't imagine that if Paterno said "I don't care what you do, get this sick ******* out of my football facility and make sure he doesn't come back" that his emeritus status wouldn't have been revoked.

 

[Disco Stu]

The more I've thought about it, Mike McQueary is as big a coward as they come.This guy witnessed Sandusky raping a 10 year old boy in the shower. OK, I get that initially there may have just been so much shock that he didn't know what to do. I'm willing to give the guy a pass on not breaking it up on the spot. But after he reported it and nothing was done, how do you just act like you never saw what you saw? How do you continue to come to work every day in that facility knowing the guy that you personally watched rape a boy not only still has an office there and "emeritus" status, but that he continues to work with these Second Mile boys and continues to bring them to practice and hold overnight camps? How do you sleep at night? How do you live with yourself? How do you not say to yourself, "This is wrong, and if nobody else is going to do anything about it, I am, consequences be damned."?Gutless coward.

This...I don't know how that guy can look himself in the mirror.

Completely on board here. And not just that "he reported it." HE TOLD HIS ####### DAD! What are you in 4th grade?Get some ####### balls dude.

Exactly. McQueary is a grown ### man. How can you not help a child in that situation? Sad and pathetic.

 

[belljr]

Yep ESPN announced he plans to retire.

IF he makes a statement something like:

"In my beliefs as a human I failed. I failed to protect innocent children. I may have thought I was doing the right thing in reporting the problem but I did not do enough as a human being to see this through. In the end I did not do enough and am partly responsible for not making sure this behavior was stopped. I know it's not fair what happened to those kids. I ask for forgiveness as a person and will step down at end of season. I owe my apologies and prayers to the victims but I also owe it to our current team and students to have them not be punished for something they had no involvement in"

not sure of the wording but something like that. Then I might be ok with it

Two things:

1) Based on the mini pep rally he participated in last night - I doubt very much he's going to give that statement.

2) If I were Paterno's lawyer, there's no way I'd let him give that statement.

I know it won't happen BUT if that came out then I would entertain giving him some small concession.Why would the lawyer care, he technically didn't break a lawy did he? AGAIN NOT DEFENDING just don't know the answer

Not to sidetrack because either way it's heinous act but is it confirmed "sex" or is that what McQueary thought he saw. I keep reading it was "just a shower" OR that it was rape. Neither are good, I just want to make sure I have my facts straight.

 

[Disco Stu]

I want these people to burn as much as the next guy, but just quit with the 'Pedo State' crap. It makes you look juvenile and stupid. Emphasis on stupid.

Not really a lot of room for humor in this thread...but I guess I shouldn't expect anything different given the way this place has gone in recent years.

Oh please.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Mike and Mike just reported that Paterno will retire at the end of the year.

where are they getting this? Twitter isn't saying anything like that and espn is usually well behind twitter

They read an AP report

then I don't buy it

My guess is that it has been floated by the trustees or Paterno to gauge reaction.

Not good enough. Does anyone here think him retiring in December is good enough?

No and frankly it shouldn't be his choice at this point. #### his reputation, it was ruined the minute this story broke he failed to act appropriately on the information he knew.

 

[dgreen]

Not to sidetrack because either way it's heinous act but is it confirmed "sex" or is that what McQueary thought he saw. I keep reading it was "just a shower" OR that it was rape. Neither are good, I just want to make sure I have my facts straight.

Read Victim 2 in the grand jury report.

 

[CrossEyed]

The quotes from these HS recruits shows how deep the brainwashing runs regarding Paterno and PSU.

Recruits waffling on PSU amid controversy

By Chris Harlan, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW

Wednesday, November 9, 2011

Last updated: 9:11 am

Shaler senior J.P. Holtz calls Penn State his dream school, which made the past few days a nightmare for the football recruit.

"I think it's very sad for the program," said Holtz, who has followed closely the child sexual abuse scandal that has surrounded the school's football program. "I feel bad for the players because they didn't do anything to deserve this. Neither did the coaching staff. It just sucks."

The news has recruits uncertain about the program's future, including Holtz, who said he's "not sure yet" about whether he could change his mind about attending Penn State. The key could be whether Joe Paterno resigns.

"I hope he doesn't leave," said Holtz, who verbally committed in July to play tight end or linebacker. "I hope he's still there, but I'm not sure what's going to happen."

South Allegheny tight end Jesse James also has verbally committed to the Nittany Lions, the only other WPIAL senior planning to head to Penn State. He could not be reached for comment.

Holtz heard Monday night from Penn State assistant coach Tom Bradley but added Bradley "didn't say much." Holtz said he appreciated the phone call.

"I've been paying attention to (the news) a lot," Holtz said. "It's my dream school. I've wanted to go there for a long time, and (the scandal) just so happens at this time."

Noah Spence, a highly recruited defensive end at Harrisburg's Bishop McDevitt, has listed Penn State among his favorites. But the scandal might have soured Spence, who wrote Monday on Twitter that Penn State "might be a no no for me" and added "ewwww."

Spence, who also wrote that he didn't want to be a part of that program, apologized Tuesday to anyone his messages offended.

Jeannette safety Demetrious Cox counts a Penn State scholarship offer among his college finalists. The scandal hasn't eliminated Penn State, but a coaching change might, depending on the replacement.

"Hopefully," Cox said, "they can bounce back from this."

Read more: Recruits waffling on PSU amid controversy - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/college/s_766286.html#ixzz1dDomPVSL

 

[dhockster]

In my mind, the biggest problem in this whole situation, other than Jerry Sandusky is a pedophile, is the fact that Penn State has

kept Joe Paterno around so long. Part of the reason I say that is it is pretty obvious that the football program, from a national relevance

standpoint, has not been the same over the last 10 to 15 years. Along with that, someone pointed out earlier, the number and severity of off

the field problems has increased recently.

Both of these point to the fact that Joe Pa is not what he once was in terms of being a leader of the football program. When I have listened to

his press conferences over the last few years, I sense what I sense with a lot of older people: they are not quite all there. They don't get everything that is going on around them.

When you think about how a College Football Coaches job has changed over the last few decades from one in which he was just responsible for wins and losses, to one in which he has to make sure the university has institutional control over the program, and you see how Penn State could get

in trouble in keeping around a guy who doesn't get everything going on around him. Compound this with him being a living legend, and now you have

an environment where no one else involved wants to go against him or make him look bad. The idea of doing the right thing becomes secondary to

preserving a legend's status.

Now in most instances this would have just led to recruiting violations. Tragically, it took a much worse turn in Happy Valley. I hold all those who knew about the 2002 incident responsible for not doing more. But I also hold the University and the Board of Trustees responsible for keeping Joe

Paterno around even though he could no longer meet the responsibilities of his position.

 

[Joseph]

Yep ESPN announced he plans to retire.

IF he makes a statement something like:

"In my beliefs as a human I failed. I failed to protect innocent children. I may have thought I was doing the right thing in reporting the problem but I did not do enough as a human being to see this through. In the end I did not do enough and am partly responsible for not making sure this behavior was stopped. I know it's not fair what happened to those kids. I ask for forgiveness as a person and will step down at end of season. I owe my apologies and prayers to the victims but I also owe it to our current team and students to have them not be punished for something they had no involvement in"

not sure of the wording but something like that. Then I might be ok with it

Two things:

1) Based on the mini pep rally he participated in last night - I doubt very much he's going to give that statement.

2) If I were Paterno's lawyer, there's no way I'd let him give that statement.

I know it won't happen BUT if that came out then I would entertain giving him some small concession.Why would the lawyer care, he technically didn't break a lawy did he? AGAIN NOT DEFENDING just don't know the answer

Not to sidetrack because either way it's heinous act but is it confirmed "sex" or is that what McQueary thought he saw. I keep reading it was "just a shower" OR that it was rape. Neither are good, I just want to make sure I have my facts straight.

McQueary's statement to the grand jury said when he walked through the lockerroom, he heard a body slapping sound that he thought indicated that sex was happening. When he looked into the shower, he saw the 10 year old bent over and Sandusky giving it to him. Both the kid and Sandusky saw him in the doorway and he left.

 

[Ocram]

Mike and Mike just reported that Paterno will retire at the end of the year.

not good.. should not be coaching Saturday. The University passed up a chance to appear in control by saying "no" to Joe, and they blew it..Ugh

Again, who passed up a chance? Who at the University that isn't involved can get Paterno to step down this week? The same people that are all guilty here ARE the University.

 

[dgreen]

The quotes from these HS recruits shows how deep the brainwashing runs regarding Paterno and PSU.

Recruits waffling on PSU amid controversy

By Chris Harlan, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW

Wednesday, November 9, 2011

Last updated: 9:11 am

Shaler senior J.P. Holtz calls Penn State his dream school, which made the past few days a nightmare for the football recruit.

"I think it's very sad for the program," said Holtz, who has followed closely the child sexual abuse scandal that has surrounded the school's football program. "I feel bad for the players because they didn't do anything to deserve this. Neither did the coaching staff. It just sucks."

The news has recruits uncertain about the program's future, including Holtz, who said he's "not sure yet" about whether he could change his mind about attending Penn State. The key could be whether Joe Paterno resigns.

"I hope he doesn't leave," said Holtz, who verbally committed in July to play tight end or linebacker. "I hope he's still there, but I'm not sure what's going to happen."

South Allegheny tight end Jesse James also has verbally committed to the Nittany Lions, the only other WPIAL senior planning to head to Penn State. He could not be reached for comment.

Holtz heard Monday night from Penn State assistant coach Tom Bradley but added Bradley "didn't say much." Holtz said he appreciated the phone call.

"I've been paying attention to (the news) a lot," Holtz said. "It's my dream school. I've wanted to go there for a long time, and (the scandal) just so happens at this time."

Noah Spence, a highly recruited defensive end at Harrisburg's Bishop McDevitt, has listed Penn State among his favorites. But the scandal might have soured Spence, who wrote Monday on Twitter that Penn State "might be a no no for me" and added "ewwww."

Spence, who also wrote that he didn't want to be a part of that program, apologized Tuesday to anyone his messages offended.

Jeannette safety Demetrious Cox counts a Penn State scholarship offer among his college finalists. The scandal hasn't eliminated Penn State, but a coaching change might, depending on the replacement.

"Hopefully," Cox said, "they can bounce back from this."

Read more: Recruits waffling on PSU amid controversy - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/college/s_766286.html#ixzz1dDomPVSL

On some level, I can see "kids" saying those things. What will be really telling is to see how parents of these kids react.

 

[CrossEyed]

Mike and Mike just reported that Paterno will retire at the end of the year.

not good.. should not be coaching Saturday. The University passed up a chance to appear in control by saying "no" to Joe, and they blew it..Ugh

Again, who passed up a chance? Who at the University that isn't involved can get Paterno to step down this week? The same people that are all guilty here ARE the University.

The Board of Trustees call the shots. They can fire anybody and everybody.

 

[CrossEyed]

According to the reports, Paterno has decided to retire and has had no discussions with the BOT.

How can they not have talked with him at this point?

 

[Disco Stu]

Give me a break. Paterno runs PSU.

More "middle management" BS.

I keep reading this...over and over...posted by many people. CrossEyed, I'm not singling you out, but using your post as my example. Paterno "runs" PSU...but he doesn't RUN PSU. Like it or not, no matter how popular you are, you still work for an organization. Paterno can't sign his own paycheck. Paterno can't do whatever he pleases. Is he afforded A LOT of power? Yes. But he doesn't run PSU, likely had no legal or authoritative power to bypass the chain of command, etc.

I'm not saying how he handled it was right, but saying he ran PSU is to say that HE had the power to fire Sandusky, etc. This just isn't true. He could influence firings, but HE can't fire someone who doesn't work for him.

Bypass the chain of command to do what? Report a child rapist to the police?

 

[Joe T]

I know the focus of most of the discussion in this thread and in the news has been on the PSU coaches and administrators, but I'm a little surprised so little of the discussion is around the 1998 incident where the police (including a detective) and the district attorney was involved. These people deserve blame too. If there is going to be outrage at the PSU coaches etc for not stopping it, what about the people that are actually paid to protect and serve not doing their jobs a full 3 or 4 years earlier?

 

[koby925]

Yep ESPN announced he plans to retire.

IF he makes a statement something like:

"In my beliefs as a human I failed. I failed to protect innocent children. I may have thought I was doing the right thing in reporting the problem but I did not do enough as a human being to see this through. In the end I did not do enough and am partly responsible for not making sure this behavior was stopped. I know it's not fair what happened to those kids. I ask for forgiveness as a person and will step down at end of season. I owe my apologies and prayers to the victims but I also owe it to our current team and students to have them not be punished for something they had no involvement in"

not sure of the wording but something like that. Then I might be ok with it

Two things:

1) Based on the mini pep rally he participated in last night - I doubt very much he's going to give that statement.

2) If I were Paterno's lawyer, there's no way I'd let him give that statement.

I know it won't happen BUT if that came out then I would entertain giving him some small concession.Why would the lawyer care, he technically didn't break a lawy did he? AGAIN NOT DEFENDING just don't know the answer

Not to sidetrack because either way it's heinous act but is it confirmed "sex" or is that what McQueary thought he saw. I keep reading it was "just a shower" OR that it was rape. Neither are good, I just want to make sure I have my facts straight.

[graphic alert] It was sex. Before Mcqueary even actually witnessed that it was Sandusky he testified that he heard slapping noises coming from the shower, like the sound of bodies slapping together in sex. Then he went to look in the showers and saw that it was Sandusky sodomizing a boy that looked 10. This is all from the grandy jury testimony. By the way, McQueary keeps getting called just a grad assistant, which to me seems to minimize his age and stature. He was a 28 year old grown former starting QB at the time. How do you not try to physically stop Sandusky? Even if he somehow overpowers you and you get your #### kicked?

 

[CrossEyed]

On some level, I can see "kids" saying those things. What will be really telling is to see how parents of these kids react.

Agreed.

 

[JZilla]

Mike and Mike just reported that Paterno will retire at the end of the year.

not good.. should not be coaching Saturday. The University passed up a chance to appear in control by saying "no" to Joe, and they blew it..Ugh

Again, who passed up a chance? Who at the University that isn't involved can get Paterno to step down this week? The same people that are all guilty here ARE the University.

The Board of Trustees call the shots. They can fire anybody and everybody.

And by all indications at this point, they're part of the problemIs there anyone at Pennsylvania State University who thinks football is not more important than kid rape? Anybody? My God.

 

[Joseph]

Give me a break. Paterno runs PSU.

More "middle management" BS.

I keep reading this...over and over...posted by many people. CrossEyed, I'm not singling you out, but using your post as my example. Paterno "runs" PSU...but he doesn't RUN PSU. Like it or not, no matter how popular you are, you still work for an organization. Paterno can't sign his own paycheck. Paterno can't do whatever he pleases. Is he afforded A LOT of power? Yes. But he doesn't run PSU, likely had no legal or authoritative power to bypass the chain of command, etc.

I'm not saying how he handled it was right, but saying he ran PSU is to say that HE had the power to fire Sandusky, etc. This just isn't true. He could influence firings, but HE can't fire someone who doesn't work for him.

Bypass the chain of command to do what? Report a child rapist to the police?

Yeah, I'm sure the school would have canned him for violating the chain of command by getting a guy locked up who was raping kids on their campus.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Mike and Mike just reported that Paterno will retire at the end of the year.

not good.. should not be coaching Saturday. The University passed up a chance to appear in control by saying "no" to Joe, and they blew it..Ugh

Again, who passed up a chance? Who at the University that isn't involved can get Paterno to step down this week? The same people that are all guilty here ARE the University.

The Board of Trustees call the shots. They can fire anybody and everybody.

And, they can suspend an employee, with pay if they want, pending an investigation. This is the minimum that should have happened by now.

 

[CentralPA]

Give me a break. Paterno runs PSU.More "middle management" BS.

I keep reading this...over and over...posted by many people. CrossEyed, I'm not singling you out, but using your post as my example. Paterno "runs" PSU...but he doesn't RUN PSU. Like it or not, no matter how popular you are, you still work for an organization. Paterno can't sign his own paycheck. Paterno can't do whatever he pleases. Is he afforded A LOT of power? Yes. But he doesn't run PSU, likely had no legal or authoritative power to bypass the chain of command, etc. I'm not saying how he handled it was right, but saying he ran PSU is to say that HE had the power to fire Sandusky, etc. This just isn't true. He could influence firings, but HE can't fire someone who doesn't work for him.

I think everyone here has forgotten that it was SANDUSKY who allegedly did these unspeakable things. I's incredible how many people are really piling on Paterno here when he isn't even going to be charged with any wrong doing. We don't know the whole story yet folks. We don't know if all Joe did was inform Curley and then just let it go from there. As a Central PA resident and big Penn State fan it sickens and saddens me that school administration could possibly let this monster roam free but I believe in due process. If Paterno did not try to do more than this then I agree he needs to step down immediatley. The man has done more good will and helped so many students and people in the community that he at least deserves some time to let the facts be presented.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Give me a break. Paterno runs PSU.

More "middle management" BS.

I keep reading this...over and over...posted by many people. CrossEyed, I'm not singling you out, but using your post as my example. Paterno "runs" PSU...but he doesn't RUN PSU. Like it or not, no matter how popular you are, you still work for an organization. Paterno can't sign his own paycheck. Paterno can't do whatever he pleases. Is he afforded A LOT of power? Yes. But he doesn't run PSU, likely had no legal or authoritative power to bypass the chain of command, etc.

I'm not saying how he handled it was right, but saying he ran PSU is to say that HE had the power to fire Sandusky, etc. This just isn't true. He could influence firings, but HE can't fire someone who doesn't work for him.

I think everyone here has forgotten that it was SANDUSKY who allegedly did these unspeakable things. I's incredible how many people are really piling on Paterno here when he isn't even going to be charged with any wrong doing. We don't know the whole story yet folks. We don't know all Joe or even Mike did was inform Curley and then just let it go from there. As a Central PA resident and big Penn State fan it sickens and saddens me that school administration could possibly let this monster roam free but I believe in due process. If Paterno did not try to do more than this then I agree he needs to step down immediatley. The man has done more good will and helped so many students and people in the community that he at least deserves some time to let the facts be presented.

Based on their grand jury testimony, we kind of do know they did nothing after that.

 

[Wadsworth]

I don't post much in FFA but wanted to comment on this situation.

I have followed this story very closely. It sickens me. There is no excuse for the inaction of all of the people involved and everyone of them should be fired and try to learn to live with themselves knowing their protection of the image of Penn State allowed multiple children to be victimized in terrible ways.

What makes this tragedy more difficult for me is that I grew up as friends with Mike McQueary's older brother John. I knew Mike and his dad very well. They are a loving, kind wonderful family. Mike and his dad are good and caring people and I am baffled to hear of their behavior in this situation. I guess good people can make horrible choices, and when they do they need to pay the price. I am sorry that their family has to go through this, but I am much more sorry that they chose to ignore the brutalization of a child and allowed a monster to continue to scar children for years after they should have made sure it stopped.

 

[Disco Stu]

List of FFA posters who participated in the JoePa pep rally yesterday...

Fat Nick

CentralPA

:developing:

 

[culdeus]

I know the focus of most of the discussion in this thread and in the news has been on the PSU coaches and administrators, but I'm a little surprised so little of the discussion is around the 1998 incident where the police (including a detective) and the district attorney was involved. These people deserve blame too. If there is going to be outrage at the PSU coaches etc for not stopping it, what about the people that are actually paid to protect and serve not doing their jobs a full 3 or 4 years earlier?

One of them was likely murdered.

 

[Joseph]

Not a fan of Cowherd, but he did make a good point before the break.Paraphrasing, "If you stand and cheer for Paterno this weekend, you are pretty much rubbing the victims nose in it, and telling them what happened it is OK."

Yeah, the more I'm thinking about it, the more I wonder if ESPN will televise the actual game... If the stadium is full of 100k people cheering louder than normal...What do the announcers for that game do?

 

[dgreen]

What do the announcers for that game do?

Wait, it's not going to be that woman announcer is it? I have a rule that I don't watch games that she (or any woman) is calling.

 

[Sammy3469]

Give me a break. Paterno runs PSU.

More "middle management" BS.

I keep reading this...over and over...posted by many people. CrossEyed, I'm not singling you out, but using your post as my example. Paterno "runs" PSU...but he doesn't RUN PSU. Like it or not, no matter how popular you are, you still work for an organization. Paterno can't sign his own paycheck. Paterno can't do whatever he pleases. Is he afforded A LOT of power? Yes. But he doesn't run PSU, likely had no legal or authoritative power to bypass the chain of command, etc.

I'm not saying how he handled it was right, but saying he ran PSU is to say that HE had the power to fire Sandusky, etc. This just isn't true. He could influence firings, but HE can't fire someone who doesn't work for him.

I think everyone here has forgotten that it was SANDUSKY who allegedly did these unspeakable things. I's incredible how many people are really piling on Paterno here when he isn't even going to be charged with any wrong doing. We don't know the whole story yet folks. We don't know if all Joe did was inform Curley and then just let it go from there. As a Central PA resident and big Penn State fan it sickens and saddens me that school administration could possibly let this monster roam free but I believe in due process. If Paterno did not try to do more than this then I agree he needs to step down immediatley. The man has done more good will and helped so many students and people in the community that he at least deserves some time to let the facts be presented.

and yet stood aside while who knows how many children were harmed on PSU campus. This past week has shown the only thing he's really concerned about is his legacy

 

[Ocram]

Mike and Mike just reported that Paterno will retire at the end of the year.

not good.. should not be coaching Saturday. The University passed up a chance to appear in control by saying "no" to Joe, and they blew it..Ugh

Again, who passed up a chance? Who at the University that isn't involved can get Paterno to step down this week? The same people that are all guilty here ARE the University.

The Board of Trustees call the shots. They can fire anybody and everybody.

I understand this. Do we know if they are involved at all or not? I don't think we have a real grasp how far this reaches. If all the people at the top, including the President, Joe Paterno, et. al knew about what was going on, then I highly doubt the Board of Trustees never got wind of it at all. This is why everyone clamoring for "The University" to do the right thing doesn't make a lot of sense. These guys ARE the University and they haven't done the right thing this whole time.ETA--In fact, their lack of action to this point leads me to believe that they did know, at least in some regards, about the allegations and that it wasn't followed up and know that if they start firing these guys, it's gonna come back to get them. Is there really any other explanation at this point?