Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (1 Viewer)

[Chase Stuart]

So sad in this day and age, we all know every football program is dirty as hell. Then there is Penn State, run by the beacon of integrity. That one turns out to be the worst of them all.

Really sickening.

 

[Hedgehog]

Curley and Penn State vice president Gary Schultz were also charged with failure to report the abuse of a child and perjury for claiming they were not told of “sexual acts” by the graduate assistant,

all 3 seem to be calling McQueary a liar here, or at least saying that he didn't share as many details as he claimed.

seems odd that Joepa was not charged with perjury

In PA you have a better chance of indicting the pope than JoePa...JoePa's payment will be the PR hit and tarnishment of his legacy. The only way he will step down is if the outrage grows to the out of control level it should....If Penn St president doesnt ask him to leave on his own terms or fire within 24 hrs then how can anyone with a child support that institution....

 

[B-Deep]

Curley and Penn State vice president Gary Schultz were also charged with failure to report the abuse of a child and perjury for claiming they were not told of “sexual acts” by the graduate assistant,

all 3 seem to be calling McQueary a liar here, or at least saying that he didn't share as many details as he claimed.

seems odd that Joepa was not charged with perjury

In PA you have a better chance of indicting the pope than JoePa...JoePa's payment will be the PR hit and tarnishment of his legacy. The only way he will step down is if the outrage grows to the out of control level it should....If Penn St president doesnt ask him to leave on his own terms or fire within 24 hrs then how can anyone with a child support that institution....

i would have thought, then, they would not charge the others eitherif, as i understand it, the GA says he told all 3 about the details, and then all 3 say he did not, how can you charge 2 of the 3 with perjury

 

[Joe Summer]

if, as i understand it, the GA says he told all 3 about the details, and then all 3 say he did not, how can you charge 2 of the 3 with perjury

Because the GA (allegedly) did not get into graphic detail when he first told JoePa, and JoePa was not present when the GA did go into graphic detail with Curley.

 

[ClownCausedChaos]

The more stuff that comes out today the more screwed Paterno is. He wont make it past today at this rate.

Where are you getting your updates from? I'd like to follow this story, but am at work.

 

[timschochet]

if, as i understand it, the GA says he told all 3 about the details, and then all 3 say he did not, how can you charge 2 of the 3 with perjury

Because the GA (allegedly) did not get into graphic detail when he first told JoePa, and JoePa was not present when the GA did go into graphic detail with Curley.

But then we're told this GA did this, nothing happened, and the GA continued to work with the team (and continues to do so today) for another 10 years despite the fact that he directly saw this going on the shower and never reported it to the police? How could anyone be so stupid?

 

[timschochet]

Sandusky is not Joe Paterno. Most of us (especially on the west coast) have never heard of Sandusky, or have only a faint recollection of the name. So what boggles my mind is, why would Curley, Paterno, et. al. engage in such a cover up? Why would they risk their careers and permanent reputations? It makes absolutely no sense, and that is part of the reason I am still holding out hope that, as terrible as this situation sounds, there is some reason we have not heard which will excuse Paterno's lack of action.

 

[Joe Summer]

if, as i understand it, the GA says he told all 3 about the details, and then all 3 say he did not, how can you charge 2 of the 3 with perjury

Because the GA (allegedly) did not get into graphic detail when he first told JoePa, and JoePa was not present when the GA did go into graphic detail with Curley.

But then we're told this GA did this, nothing happened, and the GA continued to work with the team (and continues to do so today) for another 10 years despite the fact that he directly saw this going on the shower and never reported it to the police? How could anyone be so stupid?

IF he really did witness a 10-year-old boy being raped, and IF he really did describe it in graphic detail to Curley, then there can be only one explanation for why he never reported it to police: self-preservation.

 

[B-Deep]

if, as i understand it, the GA says he told all 3 about the details, and then all 3 say he did not, how can you charge 2 of the 3 with perjury

Because the GA (allegedly) did not get into graphic detail when he first told JoePa, and JoePa was not present when the GA did go into graphic detail with Curley.

says who?

the GA or joepa?

and does anyone buy that, does anyone think if someone reported seeing sandusky in the shower with a boy that he would not have have asked some questions to make sure the GA saw what he saw?

 

[B-Deep]

if, as i understand it, the GA says he told all 3 about the details, and then all 3 say he did not, how can you charge 2 of the 3 with perjury

Because the GA (allegedly) did not get into graphic detail when he first told JoePa, and JoePa was not present when the GA did go into graphic detail with Curley.

But then we're told this GA did this, nothing happened, and the GA continued to work with the team (and continues to do so today) for another 10 years despite the fact that he directly saw this going on the shower and never reported it to the police? How could anyone be so stupid?

IF he really did witness a 10-year-old boy being raped, and IF he really did describe it in graphic detail to Curley, then there can be only one explanation for why he never reported it to police: self-preservation.

seems to be a lot of that going around

 

[timschochet]

if, as i understand it, the GA says he told all 3 about the details, and then all 3 say he did not, how can you charge 2 of the 3 with perjury

Because the GA (allegedly) did not get into graphic detail when he first told JoePa, and JoePa was not present when the GA did go into graphic detail with Curley.

But then we're told this GA did this, nothing happened, and the GA continued to work with the team (and continues to do so today) for another 10 years despite the fact that he directly saw this going on the shower and never reported it to the police? How could anyone be so stupid?

IF he really did witness a 10-year-old boy being raped, and IF he really did describe it in graphic detail to Curley, then there can be only one explanation for why he never reported it to police: self-preservation.

If that is true then he's a scumbag. I wouldn't be able to live with myself.But from a practical POV, it still doesn't make sense, because you got to know that eventually this story will come out, and when it does, you will be facing serious problems for not reporting it.

 

[Hedgehog]

if, as i understand it, the GA says he told all 3 about the details, and then all 3 say he did not, how can you charge 2 of the 3 with perjury

Because the GA (allegedly) did not get into graphic detail when he first told JoePa, and JoePa was not present when the GA did go into graphic detail with Curley.

But then we're told this GA did this, nothing happened, and the GA continued to work with the team (and continues to do so today) for another 10 years despite the fact that he directly saw this going on the shower and never reported it to the police? How could anyone be so stupid?

IF he really did witness a 10-year-old boy being raped, and IF he really did describe it in graphic detail to Curley, then there can be only one explanation for why he never reported it to police: self-preservation.

Why did the church cover up and expose themselves to this....arrogance, power, money, repuation....same thing at Penn st...on paper its impossible not to think JoePa was aware of what was going on especially with the GA joining coaching staff....not enough for the law maybe but enough to convince me has has no business representing a major university of higher learning and possibly being able to look himself in the mirror but thats for himself to answer

 

[CrossEyed]

They all need to go, including Spanier. I can't believe that in the middle of all of these accusations that he would be stupid enough to express his "unconditional support".

 

[timschochet]

if, as i understand it, the GA says he told all 3 about the details, and then all 3 say he did not, how can you charge 2 of the 3 with perjury

Because the GA (allegedly) did not get into graphic detail when he first told JoePa, and JoePa was not present when the GA did go into graphic detail with Curley.

says who?

the GA or joepa?

and does anyone buy that, does anyone think if someone reported seeing sandusky in the shower with a boy that he would not have have asked some questions to make sure the GA saw what he saw?

Again, it just doesn't make sense.

"Hey, Coach Paterno, I saw something really disturbing going on the shower. There was Coach Sandusky, and this 10 year old boy and-"

"You've said enough. Sounds pretty weird. I'll take it from here. Hello, Mr. Curley? My GA says he saw something weird in the showers involving Coach Sandusky. No, he didn't tell me the details. I didn't ask. You may want to investigate. No, that's all I know. No, I don't want to know how it turns out. That's up to you."

This is what we're supposed to believe? I can't fathom it.

 

[Hedgehog]

They all need to go, including Spanier. I can't believe that in the middle of all of these accusations that he would be stupid enough to express his "unconditional support".

- I had to read that twice when I saw it....he should have made a neutral statement at best....this whole place is going to be taken down in this....no way anyone survives. Can you imagine sending your 18 your old into this type of atmosphere?

 

[Hedgehog]

if, as i understand it, the GA says he told all 3 about the details, and then all 3 say he did not, how can you charge 2 of the 3 with perjury

Because the GA (allegedly) did not get into graphic detail when he first told JoePa, and JoePa was not present when the GA did go into graphic detail with Curley.

says who?

the GA or joepa?

and does anyone buy that, does anyone think if someone reported seeing sandusky in the shower with a boy that he would not have have asked some questions to make sure the GA saw what he saw?

Again, it just doesn't make sense.

"Hey, Coach Paterno, I saw something really disturbing going on the shower. There was Coach Sandusky, and this 10 year old boy and-"

"You've said enough. Sounds pretty weird. I'll take it from here. Hello, Mr. Curley? My GA says he saw something weird in the showers involving Coach Sandusky. No, he didn't tell me the details. I didn't ask. You may want to investigate. No, that's all I know. No, I don't want to know how it turns out. That's up to you."

This is what we're supposed to believe? I can't fathom it.

You hit the nail on the head....it looks even worse when you lay it out like that....its over.

 

[whoknew]

They all need to go, including Spanier. I can't believe that in the middle of all of these accusations that he would be stupid enough to express his "unconditional support".

- I had to read that twice when I saw it....he should have made a neutral statement at best....this whole place is going to be taken down in this....no way anyone survives. Can you imagine sending your 18 your old into this type of atmosphere?

Obviously this is WAY WAY less important - but how does PSU recruit right now? What parent would send their kid to play for JoePa right now?

 

[CrossEyed]

They all need to go, including Spanier. I can't believe that in the middle of all of these accusations that he would be stupid enough to express his "unconditional support".

- I had to read that twice when I saw it....he should have made a neutral statement at best....this whole place is going to be taken down in this....no way anyone survives. Can you imagine sending your 18 your old into this type of atmosphere?

Obviously this is WAY WAY less important - but how does PSU recruit right now? What parent would send their kid to play for JoePa right now?

"Our coaches prefer them really young, so your son will be safe."

 

[Bobcat10]

tOSU fan here, so you can ignore me since ConstruxBoy told you to do so.

I have nothing against JoePa and respect what he has done during his tenure. I don't know the law to the letter but the feeling I get is that Paterno should have done more with the information he was given. Surely I/we don't know the entire story either, but that's just what I'm thinking at this moment.

Sucks that something so disgusting and tragic like this happens in life. People like Sandusky are vile human beings. They better throw the book at Sandusky and whoever covered this up (not saying JoePa is involved in that or not).

 

[Joe Summer]

IF he really did witness a 10-year-old boy being raped, and IF he really did describe it in graphic detail to Curley, then there can be only one explanation for why he never reported it to police: self-preservation.

If that is true then he's a scumbag. I wouldn't be able to live with myself.But from a practical POV, it still doesn't make sense, because you got to know that eventually this story will come out, and when it does, you will be facing serious problems for not reporting it.

The GA (McQueary) made a calculated risk. If he calls the police, his coaching career (at Penn State, at least) is over. If he doesn't call the police, then his career continues and he probably gets fast-tracked to a top assistant gig. And if Sandusky gets arrested in 2002, then McQueary deflects any blame because it would have been Curley who called police, and McQueary would be able to say "I did what I thought was the right thing to do."As it stands now, however, McQueary will spend the rest of his life labeled as "The Guy Who Saw A Boy Being Raped And Didn't Call The Police". His career is just as dead as Schultz and Curley's.

 

[Billy Bats]

PA Attorney General having a news conference right now....

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

at least in Pulp Fiction when this happened, Marcellus got a chance at some immediate revenge.

Reminds me of the character "the Colonel" in Boogie Nights...hopefully this Sandusky fella get's the same treatment if this all turns out to be true.

 

[B-Deep]

IF he really did witness a 10-year-old boy being raped, and IF he really did describe it in graphic detail to Curley, then there can be only one explanation for why he never reported it to police: self-preservation.

If that is true then he's a scumbag. I wouldn't be able to live with myself.But from a practical POV, it still doesn't make sense, because you got to know that eventually this story will come out, and when it does, you will be facing serious problems for not reporting it.

The GA (McQueary) made a calculated risk. If he calls the police, his coaching career (at Penn State, at least) is over. If he doesn't call the police, then his career continues and he probably gets fast-tracked to a top assistant gig. And if Sandusky gets arrested in 2002, then McQueary deflects any blame because it would have been Curley who called police, and McQueary would be able to say "I did what I thought was the right thing to do."As it stands now, however, McQueary will spend the rest of his life labeled as "The Guy Who Saw A Boy Being Raped And Didn't Call The Police". His career is just as dead as Schultz and Curley's.

and joepa?

 

[Billy Bats]

PA AG requesting that the boy involved in the act witnessed by McQueary to please come forward and contact the AG's office. They still don't know who he is.

 

[B-Deep]

PA AG requesting that the boy involved in the act witnessed by McQueary to please come forward and contact the AG's office. They still don't know who he is.

it would seem there's a good chance they never willthere's a good chance he never told anyone about this i would think, and may want to keep it that way

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

seems extremely unlikely that boy would speak up now after nobody did anything to protect him almost 10 years ago.

 

[Joe Summer]

They all need to go, including Spanier. I can't believe that in the middle of all of these accusations that he would be stupid enough to express his "unconditional support".

- I had to read that twice when I saw it....he should have made a neutral statement at best....this whole place is going to be taken down in this....no way anyone survives.

That statement looks even worse for Spanier now that both Curley and Schultz have stepped down.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

It is really interesting that McQueary is still on the coaching staff while Curley and Schultz are trying to say that he never told them the full details of what happened. Seems like it's his word against theirs and the grand jury found him more credible. But, it also sounds like JoePa's story is more similar to theirs. So, it's McQueary's word against all of theirs in terms of how many details he shared? Got to put him in a pretty tough spot. He might take some heat for taking down Paterno.

It sounds to me that McQueary's testimony did not contradict Paterno's based on the charges thus far.

 

[Joe Summer]

IF he really did witness a 10-year-old boy being raped, and IF he really did describe it in graphic detail to Curley, then there can be only one explanation for why he never reported it to police: self-preservation.

If that is true then he's a scumbag. I wouldn't be able to live with myself.But from a practical POV, it still doesn't make sense, because you got to know that eventually this story will come out, and when it does, you will be facing serious problems for not reporting it.

The GA (McQueary) made a calculated risk. If he calls the police, his coaching career (at Penn State, at least) is over. If he doesn't call the police, then his career continues and he probably gets fast-tracked to a top assistant gig. And if Sandusky gets arrested in 2002, then McQueary deflects any blame because it would have been Curley who called police, and McQueary would be able to say "I did what I thought was the right thing to do."As it stands now, however, McQueary will spend the rest of his life labeled as "The Guy Who Saw A Boy Being Raped And Didn't Call The Police". His career is just as dead as Schultz and Curley's.

and joepa?

Joe Paterno: The Guy Who Knew About A Pedophile And Didn't Call The Police.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

It is really interesting that McQueary is still on the coaching staff while Curley and Schultz are trying to say that he never told them the full details of what happened. Seems like it's his word against theirs and the grand jury found him more credible. But, it also sounds like JoePa's story is more similar to theirs. So, it's McQueary's word against all of theirs in terms of how many details he shared? Got to put him in a pretty tough spot. He might take some heat for taking down Paterno.

It sounds to me that McQueary's testimony did not contradict Paterno's based on the charges thus far.

So, he didn't tell Paterno any details of what he saw? Goes to the guy's house on a Saturday all upset and just says Sandusky did something inappropriate? Very odd to imagine that conversation.Is his testimony that it wasn't until the meeting with Curley and Schultz 10 days later or whenever that he explained the full details of what he saw?

 

[B-Deep]

It is really interesting that McQueary is still on the coaching staff while Curley and Schultz are trying to say that he never told them the full details of what happened. Seems like it's his word against theirs and the grand jury found him more credible. But, it also sounds like JoePa's story is more similar to theirs. So, it's McQueary's word against all of theirs in terms of how many details he shared? Got to put him in a pretty tough spot. He might take some heat for taking down Paterno.

It sounds to me that McQueary's testimony did not contradict Paterno's based on the charges thus far.

So, he didn't tell Paterno any details of what he saw? Goes to the guy's house on a Saturday all upset and just says Sandusky did something inappropriate?Very odd to imagine that conversation.

can we confirm that is the GA's story?it does seem oddand it seems even more odd that when the kid told the AD there was no discussion with Joepa on it. I cannot fathom something that big going on in his locker room and no one telling him the details

 

[Billy Bats]

"Mr Paterno has been interviewed by the investigators and is not a target in the investigation."

 

[Billy Bats]

"The GA reported what he witnessed to Mr. Paterno and Mr Paterno reported it to school administrators, it was their responsibility to report it to police"

When asked why McQueary and Joe Pa aren't being charged.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

It is really interesting that McQueary is still on the coaching staff while Curley and Schultz are trying to say that he never told them the full details of what happened. Seems like it's his word against theirs and the grand jury found him more credible. But, it also sounds like JoePa's story is more similar to theirs. So, it's McQueary's word against all of theirs in terms of how many details he shared? Got to put him in a pretty tough spot. He might take some heat for taking down Paterno.

It sounds to me that McQueary's testimony did not contradict Paterno's based on the charges thus far.

So, he didn't tell Paterno any details of what he saw? Goes to the guy's house on a Saturday all upset and just says Sandusky did something inappropriate? Very odd to imagine that conversation.Is his testimony that it wasn't until the meeting with Curley and Schultz 10 days later or whenever that he explained the full details of what he saw?

I'm saying that it doesn't appear that Paterno is calling McQueary a liar. That while McQueary informed him of fondling or inappropriate sexual behavior, or whatever the quote was, it was not the full anal sex ### clapping detail that was described to the grand jury and what I assume was described in detail to Curley/Schultz when he was brought in for a formal interview on the matter. Their testimony is much more contradictory to McQueary's statements and that is what the grand jury believed and why they were charged.

 

[tdog]

if, as i understand it, the GA says he told all 3 about the details, and then all 3 say he did not, how can you charge 2 of the 3 with perjury

Because the GA (allegedly) did not get into graphic detail when he first told JoePa, and JoePa was not present when the GA did go into graphic detail with Curley.

says who?

the GA or joepa?

and does anyone buy that, does anyone think if someone reported seeing sandusky in the shower with a boy that he would not have have asked some questions to make sure the GA saw what he saw?

Again, it just doesn't make sense.

"Hey, Coach Paterno, I saw something really disturbing going on the shower. There was Coach Sandusky, and this 10 year old boy and-"

"You've said enough. Sounds pretty weird. I'll take it from here. Hello, Mr. Curley? My GA says he saw something weird in the showers involving Coach Sandusky. No, he didn't tell me the details. I didn't ask. You may want to investigate. No, that's all I know. No, I don't want to know how it turns out. That's up to you."

This is what we're supposed to believe? I can't fathom it.

You hit the nail on the head....it looks even worse when you lay it out like that....its over.

I wouldn't be surprised if Paterno did exactly this. This willful blindness would be all the more probable if, or more likely when, it comes out that Paterno had heard rumors in the past. It takes a village to abuse a child. Add McQueary's dad to the list of the not so great. "Go talk to coach. He'll take care of this (in a way that doesn't tarnish our beloved Penn State or hurt your career)."

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I'm saying that it doesn't appear that Paterno is calling McQueary a liar. That while McQueary informed him of fondling or inappropriate sexual behavior, or whatever the quote was, it was not the full anal sex ### clapping detail that was described to the grand jury and what I assume was described in detail to Curley/Schultz when he was brought in for a formal interview on the matter. Their testimony is much more contradictory to McQueary's statements and that is what the grand jury believed and why they were charged.

I can buy that he didn't want to go into graphic detail with Paterno on something like that. But, that also makes it sound like Paterno didn't really want to know any details either.That and the whole "don't bring kids on campus anymore" just makes it sound like they wanted to distance themselves from Sandusky but not really do anything about it to try and protect the child victims.Seems so strange that Paterno would pass something this serious off and not give it a second thought. Doesn't really fit with the image most people have of him.

 

[SwampDawg]

I've read Schultz was a VP but also that he was in charge of the Penn State police as well. If that's the case McQueary did tell authorities, on a campus the size of Penn State the school cops are real cops not rent a cops like my little division 2 school had. McQueary is the only one (if in fact Schultz does oversee the police dept.) that it does seem like did the right thing, he told his boss (it happened in their work place and involved a former employee), he then related the story to the AD and to the man that oversees the police force. I guess he could have went to the media or the state police as well but we don't know what he was told, maybe he was told it was being investigated by Schultz.

 

[Billy Bats]

"We have identified 6 of the 8 children involved, there's 2 who's identities are not known to us"

Question: "In 2007 at football practice that Sandusky allegedly attended with a child, presumably the GA and the head coach would've seen him at that practice with that child does that increase their culpability or responsibility to report that?"

PA AG Answer: "That's an interesting question, and I think that's something that might have to be addressed down the line."

 

[Walton Goggins]

I think it's very telling a coach (or ex coach) has no problem having sex with a 10 year old at the university. You would never do that unless you felt 100% sure that if you got caught nothing would happen. That's an extreme risk to take since in most cases you would likely get caught doing that and get reported to the cops as a result. If you know you can get away with it though then there's no risk. More to this story and I think the powers that be knows what went on (and more stories will come out) and kept it quiet in fear it would tarnish their reputation.

 

[whoknew]

I've read Schultz was a VP but also that he was in charge of the Penn State police as well. If that's the case McQueary did tell authorities, on a campus the size of Penn State the school cops are real cops not rent a cops like my little division 2 school had. McQueary is the only one (if in fact Schultz does oversee the police dept.) that it does seem like did the right thing, he told his boss (it happened in their work place and involved a former employee), he then related the story to the AD and to the man that oversees the police force. I guess he could have went to the media or the state police as well but we don't know what he was told, maybe he was told it was being investigated by Schultz.

I'm not sure if I'd call it the right thing - the reports so far are that he called his Dad and left the building when he saw Sandusky raping that kid. He then told JoePa the next day. He didn't call anyone while it was happening. Did he stop it? Did he do anything at that moment?Also - once it was clear that PSU was basically going to do nothing about it, McQueary kept coming to work everyday. Hell - he got promoted. How could he do that? He KNOWS Sandusky raped someone and that these guys for whom he works did nothing about it. So while what McQueary did was legally sufficient - morally he has a lot of questions to answer also.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

I think it's very telling a coach (or ex coach) has no problem having sex with a 10 year old at the university. You would never do that unless you felt 100% sure that if you got caught nothing would happen. That's an extreme risk to take since in most cases you would likely get caught doing that and get reported to the cops as a result. If you know you can get away with it though then there's no risk. More to this story and I think the powers that be knows what went on (and more stories will come out) and kept it quiet in fear it would tarnish their reputation.

Good 'ol Boy Network

 

[B-Deep]

I've read Schultz was a VP but also that he was in charge of the Penn State police as well. If that's the case McQueary did tell authorities, on a campus the size of Penn State the school cops are real cops not rent a cops like my little division 2 school had. McQueary is the only one (if in fact Schultz does oversee the police dept.) that it does seem like did the right thing, he told his boss (it happened in their work place and involved a former employee), he then related the story to the AD and to the man that oversees the police force. I guess he could have went to the media or the state police as well but we don't know what he was told, maybe he was told it was being investigated by Schultz.

the thing that looks bad for McQueary is if you report this up through the chain, and see nothing is done, and then chose to stay on with that program and get promoted up through the ranks knowing nothing was done, what does that say about you?

 

[Hedgehog]

I've read Schultz was a VP but also that he was in charge of the Penn State police as well. If that's the case McQueary did tell authorities, on a campus the size of Penn State the school cops are real cops not rent a cops like my little division 2 school had. McQueary is the only one (if in fact Schultz does oversee the police dept.) that it does seem like did the right thing, he told his boss (it happened in their work place and involved a former employee), he then related the story to the AD and to the man that oversees the police force. I guess he could have went to the media or the state police as well but we don't know what he was told, maybe he was told it was being investigated by Schultz.

I'm not sure if I'd call it the right thing - the reports so far are that he called his Dad and left the building when he saw Sandusky raping that kid. He then told JoePa the next day. He didn't call anyone while it was happening. Did he stop it? Did he do anything at that moment?Also - once it was clear that PSU was basically going to do nothing about it, McQueary kept coming to work everyday. Hell - he got promoted. How could he do that? He KNOWS Sandusky raped someone and that these guys for whom he works did nothing about it. So while what McQueary did was legally sufficient - morally he has a lot of questions to answer also.

McQueary and Paterno IMO - how does McQ observe these acts and not help the kid during the act itself? How could he live with himself....then not go to the police and just report it internally and thats it? Seeing something like that would scar most people for life....he's toast career wise and an awful human to profit from it IMOJoePa? Yes he probably can not be charged under the laws of PA but there is zero percent chance that he should be a rep of that university with the facts that areout there....the fact that he hasnt been fired or "step down" as of yet is mind boggling....Pen St parents should be outraged and have him thrown out no more time for PR.....this is kids being abused! Zero tolerance....especially in a supposed educational setting

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

"We have identified 6 of the 8 children involved, there's 2 who's identities are not known to us"

Question: "In 2007 at football practice that Sandusky allegedly attended with a child, presumably the GA and the head coach would've seen him at that practice with that child does that increase their culpability or responsibility to report that?"

PA AG Answer: "That's an interesting question, and I think that's something that might have to be addressed down the line."

I just saw that. Truly amazing the level of indifference the whole way up the ladder at Penn State. Or maybe it's much more sinister than indifference. The bottom line for me is that Joe Paterno controls everything that comes out of Happy Valley in regards to the football program, he had the power to stop this at numerous times along the way and never did. Hard to see how JoePa ever gets his good name back. It's a shame for those that believed he was everything right about college sports.

 

[B-Deep]

I've read Schultz was a VP but also that he was in charge of the Penn State police as well. If that's the case McQueary did tell authorities, on a campus the size of Penn State the school cops are real cops not rent a cops like my little division 2 school had. McQueary is the only one (if in fact Schultz does oversee the police dept.) that it does seem like did the right thing, he told his boss (it happened in their work place and involved a former employee), he then related the story to the AD and to the man that oversees the police force. I guess he could have went to the media or the state police as well but we don't know what he was told, maybe he was told it was being investigated by Schultz.

I'm not sure if I'd call it the right thing - the reports so far are that he called his Dad and left the building when he saw Sandusky raping that kid. He then told JoePa the next day. He didn't call anyone while it was happening. Did he stop it? Did he do anything at that moment?Also - once it was clear that PSU was basically going to do nothing about it, McQueary kept coming to work everyday. Hell - he got promoted. How could he do that? He KNOWS Sandusky raped someone and that these guys for whom he works did nothing about it. So while what McQueary did was legally sufficient - morally he has a lot of questions to answer also.

righti can maybe forgive the actions of the day, i can see where it could be shokcing and someone might execute what, in hindsight, was poor judgement. What i cannot see is him working there every day while a child rapist has an office in there and never asking "so what ever happened with the whole RAPE thing?"and as i have said many times, i cannot see the program keeping him on if they thought he was lyingit makes no sense

 

[Gachi]

Anybody who covers up the acts of a serial child molestor should get the same punishment as the offender. Pedophiles sometimes have hundreds of victims, I'm assuming it's way more than 8. I hope they can all get justice.

 

[Billy Bats]

I've read Schultz was a VP but also that he was in charge of the Penn State police as well. If that's the case McQueary did tell authorities, on a campus the size of Penn State the school cops are real cops not rent a cops like my little division 2 school had. McQueary is the only one (if in fact Schultz does oversee the police dept.) that it does seem like did the right thing, he told his boss (it happened in their work place and involved a former employee), he then related the story to the AD and to the man that oversees the police force. I guess he could have went to the media or the state police as well but we don't know what he was told, maybe he was told it was being investigated by Schultz.

the thing that looks bad for McQueary is if you report this up through the chain, and see nothing is done, and then chose to stay on with that program and get promoted up through the ranks knowing nothing was done, what does that say about you?

Not a whole lot. I can't imagine being an eyewitness to something like that, reporting it, then seeing nothing done at all to stop it. Then actually witness the perp continue to associate with boys on the same grounds that you work, KNOWING that the horrific event you witnessed is probabaly continuing. Not sure how one can live with himself. Boggles my mind.

 

[B-Deep]

I've read Schultz was a VP but also that he was in charge of the Penn State police as well. If that's the case McQueary did tell authorities, on a campus the size of Penn State the school cops are real cops not rent a cops like my little division 2 school had. McQueary is the only one (if in fact Schultz does oversee the police dept.) that it does seem like did the right thing, he told his boss (it happened in their work place and involved a former employee), he then related the story to the AD and to the man that oversees the police force. I guess he could have went to the media or the state police as well but we don't know what he was told, maybe he was told it was being investigated by Schultz.

the thing that looks bad for McQueary is if you report this up through the chain, and see nothing is done, and then chose to stay on with that program and get promoted up through the ranks knowing nothing was done, what does that say about you?

Not a whole lot. I can't imagine being an eyewitness to something like that, reporting it, then seeing nothing done at all to stop it. Then actually witness the perp continue to associate with boys on the same grounds that you work, KNOWING that the horrific event you witnessed is probabaly continuing. Not sure how one can live with himself. Boggles my mind.

i can't imagine EVER looking the rapist in the eye without wanting to do him sever bodliy harm, or loathing myself for not doing more

 

[Premier]

How do Penn State fans go to the game this weekend? You have to draw the line somewhere right?

I'm an alum, a huge Nole fan and love Bobby Bowden...similar story comes out and I think I'd have to bail.

 

[Joe Summer]

I've read Schultz was a VP but also that he was in charge of the Penn State police as well. If that's the case McQueary did tell authorities, on a campus the size of Penn State the school cops are real cops not rent a cops like my little division 2 school had. McQueary is the only one (if in fact Schultz does oversee the police dept.) that it does seem like did the right thing, he told his boss (it happened in their work place and involved a former employee), he then related the story to the AD and to the man that oversees the police force. I guess he could have went to the media or the state police as well but we don't know what he was told, maybe he was told it was being investigated by Schultz.

You and I have different definitions of "doing the right thing".He saw Sandusky rape a little boy. Then he continued with his career at Penn State as if nothing happened -- even after noticing that NOT ONLY was Sandusky never arrested, but Sandusky was allowed to keep an office at PSU, was allowed to continue having sleepover camps at PSU facilities, and continued to bring little boys to the PSU facilities on at least one additional occasion.