Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (3 Viewers)

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Things need to be kept in the proper perspective, here.

Exactly. The proper perspective is that football is just a game.

 

[Sammy3469]

and what of those who did their legal duty and failed miserably at their morale duty as humans, they get a free pass?

What can they do? The team is 8-1 they're not going to derail a potential national championship season.

You are part of the problem if you think this way.

There have been some ridiculous posts in this thread, but there's no way a 12-1 PSU team plays in the BCS championship with that offense.

 

[B-Deep]

what are the odds that if PAterno tries to ignore questions about this and the reporters keep peppering him he loses his cool and snaps at them?

is he likely to go off script here in anger, and if so is there a chance it could cause issues?

I am not familiar enough with his demeanor with the press to know for sure

 

[B-Deep]

Things need to be kept in the proper perspective, here.

Exactly. The proper perspective is that football is just a game.

you've got your head in the sand as much as anyone in this case if you believe thatthere is a game called footballthere is also a revenue generating industry which is NCAA football

 

[BigJohn]

is it fair to a football player on the team? Nope. But it is not fair to the fans to expect them to cheer for a team led by Paterno either.

Not the same.I'm going to assume that the players have a lot more equity in their team than the average fan. Free will can dictate whether a person roots for a team. Nowhere are people 'expected' to root for a team.

 

[ClownCausedChaos]

what are the odds that if PAterno tries to ignore questions about this and the reporters keep peppering him he loses his cool and snaps at them?is he likely to go off script here in anger, and if so is there a chance it could cause issues? I am not familiar enough with his demeanor with the press to know for sure

This is entirely likely with Paterno's demeanor. The guy has a history of disliking the press, and not rolling with their punches. He's a cranky old Italian and will speak his mind.

 

[BigJohn]

Things need to be kept in the proper perspective, here.

Exactly. The proper perspective is that football is just a game.

No ####?

 

[timschochet]

So far there has been a ton of speculation put out there, very little fact. Even the findings of the grand jury are uncertain, considering that the burden of proof differs from an actual trial. I plan to withhold judgment until the picture becomes clearer regarding Paterno. IMO, he has earned the benefit of the doubt in the face of unproven allegation.We now return to your regularly scheduled lynch mob...

This is how I felt only yesterday. The problem is that Paterno's own statement, which includes an admission that he was told something in 2002, coupled with the fact that both the GA and Sandusky continued to be associated with the team for another 9 years afterward, well, these facts would lead any rational person to some pretty dire conclusions. Perhaps this more to this story that will exonerate Paterno's actions- there is always that possibility. But based on what we know, it seems very unlikely to me, and at this point I can't blame anyone for their reactions- they're only natural.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Things need to be kept in the proper perspective, here.

Exactly. The proper perspective is that football is just a game.

This.Only 1 home game left - hard to imagine it won't be a circus.Road games will be interesting too.

 

[B-Deep]

is it fair to a football player on the team? Nope. But it is not fair to the fans to expect them to cheer for a team led by Paterno either.

Not the same.I'm going to assume that the players have a lot more equity in their team than the average fan. Free will can dictate whether a person roots for a team. Nowhere are people 'expected' to root for a team.

some people in this thread arethey think it is the duty of the PSU fan to support those players

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Things need to be kept in the proper perspective, here.

Exactly. The proper perspective is that football is just a game.

you've got your head in the sand as much as anyone in this case if you believe thatthere is a game called footballthere is also a revenue generating industry which is NCAA football

I wasn't trying to imply otherwise. I'm saying our priorities are ####ed up.

 

[CrossEyed]

Paterno still doing a press conference today. Can't imagine that's going to go well.

 

[Donny Loved Bowling]

So many people ready to crucify Paterno... tell me, is it more because "he should have known" or because he did not report McQueary's allegations to the police himself? There seems to be some inconsistency in exactly how detailed an account McQueary gave to JoePa. I imagine this will be cleared up once Paterno is on the witness stand. I'm thinking that - regardless of the severity - if a coworker came to me and told me that he saw another colleague of ours commit a crime, I would be somewhat hesitant to call the police and report something I did not witness myself. I think reporting it to an internal investigating body would be appropriate, assuming that I believed they were operating in good faith. Sure, we're all horrified now that the deatils are out there, but what if Paterno had called police to report an untrue allegation that he had no firsthand knowledge of? Would that be responsible? I just don't read his actions as passing the buck. McQueary's inaction is much more sickening, if he in fact witnessed a rape and simply went home to call his dad instead of actively intervening.

When it comes to the sexual assault of a young boy? Yes, you report what you've been told. Let the police do the investigating. If there is nothing to the story, that conclusion will be reached. But if there is something to the story and you did nothing you are enabling a monster to destroy the lives of young boys. On which side do YOU want to err?

He didn't "do nothing." He took what he believed was appropriate action. It's easy to play Monday-morning QB now, and say that he should have called the police. Unless you think that he orchestrated a cover-up, he apparently believed that university officials would investigate and take action as necessary. He is guilty of misplacing his trust in Tim Curley.

He is guilty of knowing that a young boy was, at the very least, molested in his building and he made no personal effort to do anything to help that child. This is THE most powerful man at PSU. There is no such thing as "up the food chain" as it relates to Paterno and PSU.You know what speaks loudest to me about where these guys priorities were? Nobody even made an effort to find out who this boy was. Wouldn't you think that at least one of these men would have thought, "I wonder how that boy is doing? I should probably try to check on him."Every single one of these guys disgust me, and so does anyone who is trying to defend their actions, or lack thereof.

Sorry to burst your bubble of disgust, but you really have no idea what he knew, or what actions were taken to identify the victim. None of us know right now. That's been my whole point - there is very little substantiated information out there, but no shortage of people willing to bury a beloved icon with their rampant speculation. I can afford to wait for the truth to come out, why can't you?You think I would defend a child molester or his enablers? Never in a million years. As a corrections officer, I've had more exposure to these human abominations than most people could stomach. As a father, I'd be more than willing to execute them myself. In this case, I've simply chosen to exercise restraint in the condemnation of Paterno because the allegations seem so out of character for him.

 

[B-Deep]

what are the odds that if PAterno tries to ignore questions about this and the reporters keep peppering him he loses his cool and snaps at them?is he likely to go off script here in anger, and if so is there a chance it could cause issues? I am not familiar enough with his demeanor with the press to know for sure

This is entirely likely with Paterno's demeanor. The guy has a history of disliking the press, and not rolling with their punches. He's a cranky old Italian and will speak his mind.

that was my impression, but i was not sureso the question is, who is there to protect joe from joe, and protect psu from joe?he is not going to get any reverence from the non-sports press and they may take this thing over. IF that happens and he is about to crack, who steps in? Normally that wold be the AD, do they have an interim AD yet? This press conference seems kind of dangerous for him and PSU

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

what are the odds that if PAterno tries to ignore questions about this and the reporters keep peppering him he loses his cool and snaps at them?is he likely to go off script here in anger, and if so is there a chance it could cause issues? I am not familiar enough with his demeanor with the press to know for sure

This is entirely likely with Paterno's demeanor. The guy has a history of disliking the press, and not rolling with their punches. He's a cranky old Italian and will speak his mind.

that was my impression, but i was not sureso the question is, who is there to protect joe from joe, and protect psu from joe?he is not going to get any reverence from the non-sports press and they may take this thing over. IF that happens and he is about to crack, who steps in? Normally that wold be the AD, do they have an interim AD yet? This press conference seems kind of dangerous for him and PSU

Is there somewhere this will be streaming?

 

[BigJohn]

is it fair to a football player on the team? Nope. But it is not fair to the fans to expect them to cheer for a team led by Paterno either.

Not the same.I'm going to assume that the players have a lot more equity in their team than the average fan. Free will can dictate whether a person roots for a team. Nowhere are people 'expected' to root for a team.

some people in this thread arethey think it is the duty of the PSU fan to support those players

supporting the players <> supporting the program/administration

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

That's been my whole point - there is very little substantiated information out there, but no shortage of people willing to bury a beloved icon with their rampant speculation. I can afford to wait for the truth to come out, why can't you?

we have the grand jury testimony. I'd say that's probably as close to the truth as we're going to get. What in there do you think is BS?How does this story make sense in your mind where the entire administration comes away looking guilt-free?

 

[B-Deep]

So many people ready to crucify Paterno... tell me, is it more because "he should have known" or because he did not report McQueary's allegations to the police himself? There seems to be some inconsistency in exactly how detailed an account McQueary gave to JoePa. I imagine this will be cleared up once Paterno is on the witness stand. I'm thinking that - regardless of the severity - if a coworker came to me and told me that he saw another colleague of ours commit a crime, I would be somewhat hesitant to call the police and report something I did not witness myself. I think reporting it to an internal investigating body would be appropriate, assuming that I believed they were operating in good faith. Sure, we're all horrified now that the deatils are out there, but what if Paterno had called police to report an untrue allegation that he had no firsthand knowledge of? Would that be responsible? I just don't read his actions as passing the buck. McQueary's inaction is much more sickening, if he in fact witnessed a rape and simply went home to call his dad instead of actively intervening.

When it comes to the sexual assault of a young boy? Yes, you report what you've been told. Let the police do the investigating. If there is nothing to the story, that conclusion will be reached. But if there is something to the story and you did nothing you are enabling a monster to destroy the lives of young boys. On which side do YOU want to err?

He didn't "do nothing." He took what he believed was appropriate action. It's easy to play Monday-morning QB now, and say that he should have called the police. Unless you think that he orchestrated a cover-up, he apparently believed that university officials would investigate and take action as necessary. He is guilty of misplacing his trust in Tim Curley.

He is guilty of knowing that a young boy was, at the very least, molested in his building and he made no personal effort to do anything to help that child. This is THE most powerful man at PSU. There is no such thing as "up the food chain" as it relates to Paterno and PSU.You know what speaks loudest to me about where these guys priorities were? Nobody even made an effort to find out who this boy was. Wouldn't you think that at least one of these men would have thought, "I wonder how that boy is doing? I should probably try to check on him."Every single one of these guys disgust me, and so does anyone who is trying to defend their actions, or lack thereof.

Sorry to burst your bubble of disgust, but you really have no idea what he knew, or what actions were taken to identify the victim. None of us know right now. That's been my whole point - there is very little substantiated information out there, but no shortage of people willing to bury a beloved icon with their rampant speculation. I can afford to wait for the truth to come out, why can't you?You think I would defend a child molester or his enablers? Never in a million years. As a corrections officer, I've had more exposure to these human abominations than most people could stomach. As a father, I'd be more than willing to execute them myself. In this case, I've simply chosen to exercise restraint in the condemnation of Paterno because the allegations seem so out of character for him.

wellunless he lied to the grand jurryhe knew that a trusted member of his staff saw Sandusky naked in the shower doing something sexual with a childhe never reported to anyone other than the ADand he knew that Sandusky was never arrested and was allowed to keep full access to everything at PSUwe KNOW all of that

 

[CrossEyed]

what are the odds that if PAterno tries to ignore questions about this and the reporters keep peppering him he loses his cool and snaps at them?is he likely to go off script here in anger, and if so is there a chance it could cause issues? I am not familiar enough with his demeanor with the press to know for sure

This is entirely likely with Paterno's demeanor. The guy has a history of disliking the press, and not rolling with their punches. He's a cranky old Italian and will speak his mind.

that was my impression, but i was not sureso the question is, who is there to protect joe from joe, and protect psu from joe?he is not going to get any reverence from the non-sports press and they may take this thing over. IF that happens and he is about to crack, who steps in? Normally that wold be the AD, do they have an interim AD yet? This press conference seems kind of dangerous for him and PSU

Is there somewhere this will be streaming?

93.7 The Fan in Pittsburgh just said they are attempting to carry it live. Apparently not certain yet, but they are working on it. You can listen to the station online.

 

[B-Deep]

is it fair to a football player on the team? Nope. But it is not fair to the fans to expect them to cheer for a team led by Paterno either.

Not the same.I'm going to assume that the players have a lot more equity in their team than the average fan. Free will can dictate whether a person roots for a team. Nowhere are people 'expected' to root for a team.

some people in this thread arethey think it is the duty of the PSU fan to support those players

supporting the players <> supporting the program/administration

i completely understand thatmy point is how do you support the players and not appear to be supporting joepa?so if PSU fans choose to boo, choose to boycott, whatever, i do not fault themif they choose to cheer i do not fault them eitherit would be nice if joepa was not there, then it would be easier for fans who are disgusted with him to cheer the players and not the coach

 

[CrossEyed]

So many people ready to crucify Paterno... tell me, is it more because "he should have known" or because he did not report McQueary's allegations to the police himself? There seems to be some inconsistency in exactly how detailed an account McQueary gave to JoePa. I imagine this will be cleared up once Paterno is on the witness stand. I'm thinking that - regardless of the severity - if a coworker came to me and told me that he saw another colleague of ours commit a crime, I would be somewhat hesitant to call the police and report something I did not witness myself. I think reporting it to an internal investigating body would be appropriate, assuming that I believed they were operating in good faith. Sure, we're all horrified now that the deatils are out there, but what if Paterno had called police to report an untrue allegation that he had no firsthand knowledge of? Would that be responsible? I just don't read his actions as passing the buck. McQueary's inaction is much more sickening, if he in fact witnessed a rape and simply went home to call his dad instead of actively intervening.

When it comes to the sexual assault of a young boy? Yes, you report what you've been told. Let the police do the investigating. If there is nothing to the story, that conclusion will be reached. But if there is something to the story and you did nothing you are enabling a monster to destroy the lives of young boys. On which side do YOU want to err?

He didn't "do nothing." He took what he believed was appropriate action. It's easy to play Monday-morning QB now, and say that he should have called the police. Unless you think that he orchestrated a cover-up, he apparently believed that university officials would investigate and take action as necessary. He is guilty of misplacing his trust in Tim Curley.

He is guilty of knowing that a young boy was, at the very least, molested in his building and he made no personal effort to do anything to help that child. This is THE most powerful man at PSU. There is no such thing as "up the food chain" as it relates to Paterno and PSU.You know what speaks loudest to me about where these guys priorities were? Nobody even made an effort to find out who this boy was. Wouldn't you think that at least one of these men would have thought, "I wonder how that boy is doing? I should probably try to check on him."Every single one of these guys disgust me, and so does anyone who is trying to defend their actions, or lack thereof.

Sorry to burst your bubble of disgust, but you really have no idea what he knew, or what actions were taken to identify the victim. None of us know right now. That's been my whole point - there is very little substantiated information out there, but no shortage of people willing to bury a beloved icon with their rampant speculation. I can afford to wait for the truth to come out, why can't you?You think I would defend a child molester or his enablers? Never in a million years. As a corrections officer, I've had more exposure to these human abominations than most people could stomach. As a father, I'd be more than willing to execute them myself. In this case, I've simply chosen to exercise restraint in the condemnation of Paterno because the allegations seem so out of character for him.

wellunless he lied to the grand jurryhe knew that a trusted member of his staff saw Sandusky naked in the shower doing something sexual with a childhe never reported to anyone other than the ADand he knew that Sandusky was never arrested and was allowed to keep full access to everything at PSUwe KNOW all of that

Exactly. The only things that are uncertain are whether he didn't do anything he was LEGALLY obligated to do. We already know he failed morally.

 

[urbanhack]

Things need to be kept in the proper perspective, here.

Exactly. The proper perspective is that football is just a game.

 

[ClownCausedChaos]

what are the odds that if PAterno tries to ignore questions about this and the reporters keep peppering him he loses his cool and snaps at them?is he likely to go off script here in anger, and if so is there a chance it could cause issues? I am not familiar enough with his demeanor with the press to know for sure

This is entirely likely with Paterno's demeanor. The guy has a history of disliking the press, and not rolling with their punches. He's a cranky old Italian and will speak his mind.

that was my impression, but i was not sureso the question is, who is there to protect joe from joe, and protect psu from joe?he is not going to get any reverence from the non-sports press and they may take this thing over. IF that happens and he is about to crack, who steps in? Normally that wold be the AD, do they have an interim AD yet? This press conference seems kind of dangerous for him and PSU

That's the million dollar question. On the other hand, Paterno loves Penn State. He's been there over fifty years and has donated millions of dollars over the years. Maybe he keeps his cool and takes every shot that the press throws at him in order to protect the institution. Could go either way.

 

[BigJohn]

is it fair to a football player on the team? Nope. But it is not fair to the fans to expect them to cheer for a team led by Paterno either.

Not the same.I'm going to assume that the players have a lot more equity in their team than the average fan. Free will can dictate whether a person roots for a team. Nowhere are people 'expected' to root for a team.

some people in this thread arethey think it is the duty of the PSU fan to support those players

supporting the players <> supporting the program/administration

i completely understand thatmy point is how do you support the players and not appear to be supporting joepa?so if PSU fans choose to boo, choose to boycott, whatever, i do not fault themif they choose to cheer i do not fault them eitherit would be nice if joepa was not there, then it would be easier for fans who are disgusted with him to cheer the players and not the coach

Agree completely. I was just thinking of a way that would be possible. Paterno just needs to be separated completely from the team.

 

[CrossEyed]

what are the odds that if PAterno tries to ignore questions about this and the reporters keep peppering him he loses his cool and snaps at them?

is he likely to go off script here in anger, and if so is there a chance it could cause issues?

I am not familiar enough with his demeanor with the press to know for sure

This is entirely likely with Paterno's demeanor. The guy has a history of disliking the press, and not rolling with their punches. He's a cranky old Italian and will speak his mind.

that was my impression, but i was not sure

so the question is, who is there to protect joe from joe, and protect psu from joe?

he is not going to get any reverence from the non-sports press and they may take this thing over. IF that happens and he is about to crack, who steps in? Normally that wold be the AD, do they have an interim AD yet?

This press conference seems kind of dangerous for him and PSU

That's the million dollar question.

On the other hand, Paterno loves Penn State. He's been there over fifty years and has donated millions of dollars over the years. Maybe he keeps his cool and takes every shot that the press throws at him in order to protect the institution. Could go either way.

Having seen his interaction with the press, this would surprise me big time.

 

[B-Deep]

is it fair to a football player on the team? Nope. But it is not fair to the fans to expect them to cheer for a team led by Paterno either.

Not the same.I'm going to assume that the players have a lot more equity in their team than the average fan. Free will can dictate whether a person roots for a team. Nowhere are people 'expected' to root for a team.

some people in this thread arethey think it is the duty of the PSU fan to support those players

supporting the players <> supporting the program/administration

i completely understand thatmy point is how do you support the players and not appear to be supporting joepa?so if PSU fans choose to boo, choose to boycott, whatever, i do not fault themif they choose to cheer i do not fault them eitherit would be nice if joepa was not there, then it would be easier for fans who are disgusted with him to cheer the players and not the coach

Agree completely. I was just thinking of a way that would be possible. Paterno just needs to be separated completely from the team.

That's the best answer, even if it is temporary. But it will not happen. And there are some PSU fans who still support him. I try to not be too harsh on them as they may come around. I feel legitimately bad for fans of PSU. They love the school, the program, the coach. It is not easy to have that all shaken so quickly.

 

[B-Deep]

what are the odds that if PAterno tries to ignore questions about this and the reporters keep peppering him he loses his cool and snaps at them?

is he likely to go off script here in anger, and if so is there a chance it could cause issues?

I am not familiar enough with his demeanor with the press to know for sure

This is entirely likely with Paterno's demeanor. The guy has a history of disliking the press, and not rolling with their punches. He's a cranky old Italian and will speak his mind.

that was my impression, but i was not sure

so the question is, who is there to protect joe from joe, and protect psu from joe?

he is not going to get any reverence from the non-sports press and they may take this thing over. IF that happens and he is about to crack, who steps in? Normally that wold be the AD, do they have an interim AD yet?

This press conference seems kind of dangerous for him and PSU

That's the million dollar question.

On the other hand, Paterno loves Penn State. He's been there over fifty years and has donated millions of dollars over the years. Maybe he keeps his cool and takes every shot that the press throws at him in order to protect the institution. Could go either way.

Having seen his interaction with the press, this would surprise me big time.

someone has to assist him. i would think. but who?is there a chance he has someone from PSU legal there? That may work but it would look REALLY bad

 

[Joseph]

and what of those who did their legal duty and failed miserably at their morale duty as humans, they get a free pass?

What can they do? The team is 8-1 they're not going to derail a potential national championship season.

You are part of the problem if you think this way.

That was sacrasm.

 

[B-Deep]

Doesn't the "current" team always get punished for things that happened in the past? Think USC, NCAA, and Reggie Bush as a recent example. It isn't fair to the current players, but that is always how it plays out.As a Husker fan I want to see the game played. Right or wrong, right now, I am feeling bad about even being in the same conference.

Take heart in the fact that most of Big10 fans probably want nebraska to kick penn state's ###

 

[Wrigley]

So many people ready to crucify Paterno... tell me, is it more because "he should have known" or because he did not report McQueary's allegations to the police himself? There seems to be some inconsistency in exactly how detailed an account McQueary gave to JoePa. I imagine this will be cleared up once Paterno is on the witness stand. I'm thinking that - regardless of the severity - if a coworker came to me and told me that he saw another colleague of ours commit a crime, I would be somewhat hesitant to call the police and report something I did not witness myself. I think reporting it to an internal investigating body would be appropriate, assuming that I believed they were operating in good faith. Sure, we're all horrified now that the deatils are out there, but what if Paterno had called police to report an untrue allegation that he had no firsthand knowledge of? Would that be responsible? I just don't read his actions as passing the buck. McQueary's inaction is much more sickening, if he in fact witnessed a rape and simply went home to call his dad instead of actively intervening.

When it comes to the sexual assault of a young boy? Yes, you report what you've been told. Let the police do the investigating. If there is nothing to the story, that conclusion will be reached. But if there is something to the story and you did nothing you are enabling a monster to destroy the lives of young boys. On which side do YOU want to err?

He didn't "do nothing." He took what he believed was appropriate action. It's easy to play Monday-morning QB now, and say that he should have called the police. Unless you think that he orchestrated a cover-up, he apparently believed that university officials would investigate and take action as necessary. He is guilty of misplacing his trust in Tim Curley.

He is guilty of knowing that a young boy was, at the very least, molested in his building and he made no personal effort to do anything to help that child. This is THE most powerful man at PSU. There is no such thing as "up the food chain" as it relates to Paterno and PSU.You know what speaks loudest to me about where these guys priorities were? Nobody even made an effort to find out who this boy was. Wouldn't you think that at least one of these men would have thought, "I wonder how that boy is doing? I should probably try to check on him."Every single one of these guys disgust me, and so does anyone who is trying to defend their actions, or lack thereof.

Sorry to burst your bubble of disgust, but you really have no idea what he knew, or what actions were taken to identify the victim. None of us know right now. That's been my whole point - there is very little substantiated information out there, but no shortage of people willing to bury a beloved icon with their rampant speculation. I can afford to wait for the truth to come out, why can't you?You think I would defend a child molester or his enablers? Never in a million years. As a corrections officer, I've had more exposure to these human abominations than most people could stomach. As a father, I'd be more than willing to execute them myself. In this case, I've simply chosen to exercise restraint in the condemnation of Paterno because the allegations seem so out of character for him.

"As my grand jury testimony stated," Joe Paterno said in the statement, "I was informed in 2002 by an assistant coach that he had witnessed an incident in the shower of our locker room facility. It was obvious that the witness was distraught over what he saw, but he at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the Grand Jury report. Regardless, it was clear that the witness saw something inappropriate involving Mr. Sandusky. As Coach Sandusky was retired from our coaching staff at that time, I referred the matter to university administrators."

 

[Dragons]

Paterno to address media at 2pm.

Yeah... JoePa to address media at 2pm and not talk about the elephant sitting in the living room.

Assuming he does hold a news conference and attempts to only talk about football would damage him further. Penn State has much bigger issues than this weeks game. He needs to address it or don't hold the news conference.

My understanding is this is his regularly scheduled weekly press conference. I don't think he, or the PSU media relations department have fully thought through the implications of holding the conference. I know they have said he will only talk about football, but this is a story that has grown exponentially since this weekend.I expect that it will be cancelled, or Paterno will simply address the media without taking any questions.

Of course they do. The entire world is going to be watching today. My guess is that Joe will make a statement about the situation and then tell the media that he can only answer football related questions at this time due to the ongoing investigation. His statement will then be dissected word-by-word by every message board on the internet and everyone will be disappointing because he didnt say what they wanted to hear and because he doesn't announce his resignation.

I can tell you right now, ahead of the news conference, that I will be disappointed if he does not resign. That's the least he should do right now.

 

[Parrothead]

Doesn't the "current" team always get punished for things that happened in the past? Think USC, NCAA, and Reggie Bush as a recent example. It isn't fair to the current players, but that is always how it plays out.

As a Husker fan I want to see the game played. Right or wrong, right now, I am feeling bad about even being in the same conference.

That is fair. As a once proud PSU alum, season ticket holder, and $$ donator, this statement really breaks my heart. I am shamed, like all alums should be. I am sorry for the actions of those we trusted to lead our great University.

:( :(

 

[BigJohn]

Doesn't the "current" team always get punished for things that happened in the past? Think USC, NCAA, and Reggie Bush as a recent example. It isn't fair to the current players, but that is always how it plays out.

As a Husker fan I want to see the game played. Right or wrong, right now, I am feeling bad about even being in the same conference.

This is somewhat different, IMO. When the 'punishment' that we are referring to is moral support from your fan base, versus punishments handed down by the NCAA. As the situation is playing out, unless the school is cleaned out 100% of all those involved, there is nothing the NCAA could do that would damage the school worse that the PR hit they are set up to receive, as it stands.

 

[AmosMoses]

and what of those who did their legal duty and failed miserably at their morale duty as humans, they get a free pass?

What can they do? The team is 8-1 they're not going to derail a potential national championship season.

You are part of the problem if you think this way.

I took that as sarcasm. I guess I just can't believe that someone would consider that as a priority right now. Perhaps he was just speaking for PSU/Paterno homers and that wasn't his real opinion.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

and what of those who did their legal duty and failed miserably at their morale duty as humans, they get a free pass?

What can they do? The team is 8-1 they're not going to derail a potential national championship season.

You are part of the problem if you think this way.

I took that as sarcasm. I guess I just can't believe that someone would consider that as a priority right now. Perhaps he was just speaking for PSU/Paterno homers and that wasn't his real opinion.

Yeah he clarified that he was being sarcastic but it doesn't seem THAT different from what some other people have said so I got fooled.

 

[HellToupee]

I wonder how his wife didnt pickup on this. There had to be signs

 

[Uwe Blab]

So many people ready to crucify Paterno... tell me, is it more because "he should have known" or because he did not report McQueary's allegations to the police himself? There seems to be some inconsistency in exactly how detailed an account McQueary gave to JoePa. I imagine this will be cleared up once Paterno is on the witness stand. I'm thinking that - regardless of the severity - if a coworker came to me and told me that he saw another colleague of ours commit a crime, I would be somewhat hesitant to call the police and report something I did not witness myself. I think reporting it to an internal investigating body would be appropriate, assuming that I believed they were operating in good faith. Sure, we're all horrified now that the deatils are out there, but what if Paterno had called police to report an untrue allegation that he had no firsthand knowledge of? Would that be responsible? I just don't read his actions as passing the buck. McQueary's inaction is much more sickening, if he in fact witnessed a rape and simply went home to call his dad instead of actively intervening.

When it comes to the sexual assault of a young boy? Yes, you report what you've been told. Let the police do the investigating. If there is nothing to the story, that conclusion will be reached. But if there is something to the story and you did nothing you are enabling a monster to destroy the lives of young boys. On which side do YOU want to err?

He didn't "do nothing." He took what he believed was appropriate action. It's easy to play Monday-morning QB now, and say that he should have called the police. Unless you think that he orchestrated a cover-up, he apparently believed that university officials would investigate and take action as necessary. He is guilty of misplacing his trust in Tim Curley.

He is guilty of knowing that a young boy was, at the very least, molested in his building and he made no personal effort to do anything to help that child. This is THE most powerful man at PSU. There is no such thing as "up the food chain" as it relates to Paterno and PSU.You know what speaks loudest to me about where these guys priorities were? Nobody even made an effort to find out who this boy was. Wouldn't you think that at least one of these men would have thought, "I wonder how that boy is doing? I should probably try to check on him."Every single one of these guys disgust me, and so does anyone who is trying to defend their actions, or lack thereof.

You think I would defend a child molester or his enablers? Never in a million years. As a corrections officer, I've had more exposure to these human abominations than most people could stomach. As a father, I'd be more than willing to execute them myself. In this case, I've simply chosen to exercise restraint in the condemnation of Paterno because the allegations seem so out of character for him.

I can imagine being shocked to the core if Paterno was one of your idols or at least someone you greatly respected. But unless Paterno has literally had advanced Alzheimers or dementia since the turn of the millennium, his actions can't be considered anything less than abhorrent. Everything put together is absolutely damning from a moral perspective. There's simply no other way around it....

 

[CrossEyed]

You would think that the trustees would recognize that the ONLY way to restore the reputation of this institution is to clean house, starting with Spanier and going down through McQueary.

Anything less will leave a cloud hanging over the university for years to come.

 

[AmosMoses]

I wonder how his wife didnt pickup on this. There had to be signs

They are foster parents. I would bet she's complicit in whatever sick #### he's doing.

 

[BigJohn]

Doesn't the "current" team always get punished for things that happened in the past? Think USC, NCAA, and Reggie Bush as a recent example. It isn't fair to the current players, but that is always how it plays out.As a Husker fan I want to see the game played. Right or wrong, right now, I am feeling bad about even being in the same conference.

Take heart in the fact that most of Big10 fans probably want nebraska to kick penn state's ###

Maybe I'm looking at this more through the players eyes, than a fan's. I have to ill-feelings towards the team that will line up on the field Saturday. As a matter of fact, I really do feel sorry for them. If anything, I would rather see a good, competitive game, and after the game, Nebraska's coaching staff refuse to cross the field and acknowledge the PSU staff.

 

[Joseph]

and what of those who did their legal duty and failed miserably at their morale duty as humans, they get a free pass?

What can they do? The team is 8-1 they're not going to derail a potential national championship season.

You are part of the problem if you think this way.

I took that as sarcasm. I guess I just can't believe that someone would consider that as a priority right now. Perhaps he was just speaking for PSU/Paterno homers and that wasn't his real opinion.

I actually had that as a response from a PSU friend of mine. I've already made a note to never count on that guy to make sure my kids are safe.

 

[CrossEyed]

I wonder how his wife didnt pickup on this. There had to be signs

You would think that a LOT of people had to ignore a LOT of signs for this to be so extensive and go on for that long.

 

[AmosMoses]

and what of those who did their legal duty and failed miserably at their morale duty as humans, they get a free pass?

What can they do? The team is 8-1 they're not going to derail a potential national championship season.

You are part of the problem if you think this way.

I took that as sarcasm. I guess I just can't believe that someone would consider that as a priority right now. Perhaps he was just speaking for PSU/Paterno homers and that wasn't his real opinion.

I actually had that as a response from a PSU friend of mine. I've already made a note to never count on that guy to make sure my kids are safe.

That guy's priorities are completely screwed up.

 

[B-Deep]

Doesn't the "current" team always get punished for things that happened in the past? Think USC, NCAA, and Reggie Bush as a recent example. It isn't fair to the current players, but that is always how it plays out.

As a Husker fan I want to see the game played. Right or wrong, right now, I am feeling bad about even being in the same conference.

That is fair. As a once proud PSU alum, season ticket holder, and $$ donator, this statement really breaks my heart. I am shamed, like all alums should be. I am sorry for the actions of those we trusted to lead our great University.

:( :(

If it helps any, I really do feel bad for PSU fans, players, and student body. I remember what it felt like to go through the Lawrence Phillips issue, and that still gets brought up. I can't even imagine how bad this feels.

I agreebut i still want that team to get their butts kicked the rest of the season

i don't want to see them get 1 more win till this is resolved

hell, i'd rather see ohio state win that division.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

not sure if people saw this, but it goes into some of the victim story details:

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/mothers_of_two_of_jerry_sandus.html

 

[HellToupee]

Doesn't the "current" team always get punished for things that happened in the past? Think USC, NCAA, and Reggie Bush as a recent example. It isn't fair to the current players, but that is always how it plays out.

As a Husker fan I want to see the game played. Right or wrong, right now, I am feeling bad about even being in the same conference.

That is fair. As a once proud PSU alum, season ticket holder, and $$ donator, this statement really breaks my heart. I am shamed, like all alums should be. I am sorry for the actions of those we trusted to lead our great University.

:( :(

If it helps any, I really do feel bad for PSU fans, players, and student body. I remember what it felt like to go through the Lawrence Phillips issue, and that still gets brought up. I can't even imagine how bad this feels.

said from a former altar boy + 12yrs of parochial schooling and with kids in parochial school

 

[Godsbrother]

I can tell you right now, ahead of the news conference, that I will be disappointed if he does not resign. That's the least he should do right now.

I will be shocked if Paterno resigns today. I am guessing that in his mind that would be admitting he didn't act properly and if he does that he tarnishes his own legacy. Better to maintain his current stance that he did what he was supposed to do and let people think what they want rather than apologize and resign in shame.

 

[Jobber]

what are the odds that if PAterno tries to ignore questions about this and the reporters keep peppering him he loses his cool and snaps at them?

is he likely to go off script here in anger, and if so is there a chance it could cause issues?

I am not familiar enough with his demeanor with the press to know for sure

This is entirely likely with Paterno's demeanor. The guy has a history of disliking the press, and not rolling with their punches. He's a cranky old Italian and will speak his mind.

Unless it comes to reporting child rape to the police. Then he'll keep his mouth shut.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I remember thinking it was strange at the time when Sandusky went from assumed successor to Paterno to retired in a span of a couple of years. That, to me, is one of the most damning parts of this. He wasn't pushed out coincidentally to this stuff coming out for the first time in the late 90s. Such sick, sick ####. The 23 page grand jury presentment is difficult to read, but I think it's worthwhile to help wrap one's head around the scope of this.

I am trying to figure out where I heard this story first - it was not this weekend, but I don't recall when I first learned that Sandusky was accused of molesting kids.

 

[CrossEyed]

not sure if people saw this, but it goes into some of the victim story details:http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/mothers_of_two_of_jerry_sandus.html

Sandusky, through his attorney, denies all the charges. Attorney Joe Amendola, said Sandusky attributes the allegations to troubled kids who are acting out.

What a disgusting human being. Prey on troubled boys and then when they speak out try to blame it on them being troubled kids.