Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (2 Viewers)

[AmosMoses]

okif you hear "old man in the shower doing something inappropriate with young boy" which Joe admittied to, THAT is enough. And if you are not sure that is enough, FIND OUT.

No I don't think if that's all Joe heard he needs to "follow up". I take it I'll be in the minority on this but he's a 70+ year old head coach of a major college power. He's got enough on his plate and playing investigator is not one of those things. He did what he I think he should do which is tell the GA to report it the correct parties and let them handle it. At this stage of the game Joe lacks the mental capacity to oversee every aspect of what goes on at Penn State or deal with every issue.

Dude, just stop.No one wants to hear he has a lot on his plate.He and his staff sit or have sat on couches at kids homes and recruit kids to come play at his school.He is OBLIGATED to make sure his staff is doing nothing to harm any of his kids at the school he represents.

No I won't stop and no I'm not fishing. Unlike all of you I'm not ready to condemn a man when I don't know all the facts. I said it before and I'll say it for the last time. Until I know what the GA said to Paterno I'm not going to pass judegement. Either way I think Paterno is finished as head coach at Penn State no matter what the GA said to him. What is at stake here is his legacy and how he'll be remembered. As for obligation to his players. I know people don't want to let facts get in the way here but when Paterno was informed of the shower incident Sandusky was not a member of his staff.

Big fan, huh?

 

[slayer666]

Just reported on ESPN that Penn State, according to the NY Times, is planning Joe Paterno's exit.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

OJ McDuffie saying rumors have been there about Sandusky since 1990...

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

If someone wrote this as a story and made it into a major motion picture people would scoff and say that would never happen people would never turn the other eye since by nature most adults want to protect children. O/U on when this gets made into a movie?

it happens all the time. posted this earlier.http://abcnews.go.com/Health/jerry-sandusky-penn-state-scandal-pedophiles-groom-victims/story?id=14896987#.TrmCx3J33To

 

[Johnnymac]

okif you hear "old man in the shower doing something inappropriate with young boy" which Joe admittied to, THAT is enough. And if you are not sure that is enough, FIND OUT.

No I don't think if that's all Joe heard he needs to "follow up". I take it I'll be in the minority on this but he's a 70+ year old head coach of a major college power. He's got enough on his plate and playing investigator is not one of those things. He did what he I think he should do which is tell the GA to report it the correct parties and let them handle it. At this stage of the game Joe lacks the mental capacity to oversee every aspect of what goes on at Penn State or deal with every issue.

Dude, just stop.No one wants to hear he has a lot on his plate.He and his staff sit or have sat on couches at kids homes and recruit kids to come play at his school.He is OBLIGATED to make sure his staff is doing nothing to harm any of his kids at the school he represents.

No I won't stop and no I'm not fishing. Unlike all of you I'm not ready to condemn a man when I don't know all the facts. I said it before and I'll say it for the last time. Until I know what the GA said to Paterno I'm not going to pass judegement. Either way I think Paterno is finished as head coach at Penn State no matter what the GA said to him. What is at stake here is his legacy and how he'll be remembered. As for obligation to his players. I know people don't want to let facts get in the way here but when Paterno was informed of the shower incident Sandusky was not a member of his staff.

His legacy?? Are you being serious right now? His legacy will be that he knew about a pedophile coach using the facilities at the university to sexually abuse little kids. That's his legacy, wins and losses will have nothing to do with his legacy.

 

[HellToupee]

so how soon does the defense go from denial and blaming the accusers t to "Jerry was a victim as a kid"?

 

[Joe Summer]

As for obligation to his players. I know people don't want to let facts get in the way here but when Paterno was informed of the shower incident Sandusky was not a member of his staff.

That makes Paterno look worse, IMO. Protecting a stranger is worse than protecting your employee.

 

[GroveDiesel]

okif you hear "old man in the shower doing something inappropriate with young boy" which Joe admittied to, THAT is enough. And if you are not sure that is enough, FIND OUT.

No I don't think if that's all Joe heard he needs to "follow up". I take it I'll be in the minority on this but he's a 70+ year old head coach of a major college power. He's got enough on his plate and playing investigator is not one of those things. He did what he I think he should do which is tell the GA to report it the correct parties and let them handle it. At this stage of the game Joe lacks the mental capacity to oversee every aspect of what goes on at Penn State or deal with every issue.

Dude, just stop.No one wants to hear he has a lot on his plate.He and his staff sit or have sat on couches at kids homes and recruit kids to come play at his school.He is OBLIGATED to make sure his staff is doing nothing to harm any of his kids at the school he represents.

No I won't stop and no I'm not fishing. Unlike all of you I'm not ready to condemn a man when I don't know all the facts. I said it before and I'll say it for the last time. Until I know what the GA said to Paterno I'm not going to pass judegement. Either way I think Paterno is finished as head coach at Penn State no matter what the GA said to him. What is at stake here is his legacy and how he'll be remembered. As for obligation to his players. I know people don't want to let facts get in the way here but when Paterno was informed of the shower incident Sandusky was not a member of his staff.

And yet you have no problem making up fairy tales about how the abused kids must be black and that's why the higher ups covered it up. Just stop, you look foolish.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Paterno's legacy will be that he knew about a pedophile coach using the facilities at the university to sexually abuse little kids. That's his legacy, wins and losses will have nothing to do with his legacy.

absolutely

 

[BigJohn]

No I won't stop and no I'm not fishing. Unlike all of you I'm not ready to condemn a man when I don't know all the facts.

I said it before and I'll say it for the last time. Until I know what the GA said to Paterno I'm not going to pass judegement.

Read the grand jury report.

We do know, sport.

 

[wadegarrett]

Just reported on ESPN that Penn State, according to the NY Times, is planning Joe Paterno's exit.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=621815&view=findpost&p=13774644

 

[HellToupee]

what time is the press conference

 

[dgreen]

Just reported on ESPN that Penn State, according to the NY Times, is planning Joe Paterno's exit.

I'm generally in favor of letting people "retire" and leave gracefully. Not sure if that should be the case here, though. Fire him. Nothing really to "plan".

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Until I know what the GA said to Paterno I'm not going to pass judegement.

they have both testified to this already. what do you think you're going to find out that hasn't already been discussed?

 

[AmosMoses]

OJ McDuffie saying rumors have been there about Sandusky since 1990...

Jesus.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

what time is the press conference

for those following at home, we know:

[*]Sandusky wrote a book called "Touched"

[*]the press conference was cancelled

[*]the NY times is reporting that Paterno is about to be let go

[*]some reporter is happy that his mom spelled his first name with a G.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

http://youtu.be/4qF1jmNNe-I

I'm afraid thats what the PSU presser would have been like....

 

[johnnycakes]

one report I saw suggested that the school might not be able to survive all the settlements...

it's a state school. Will the state of PA survive all the settlements?

 

[comfortably numb]

okif you hear "old man in the shower doing something inappropriate with young boy" which Joe admittied to, THAT is enough. And if you are not sure that is enough, FIND OUT.

No I don't think if that's all Joe heard he needs to "follow up". I take it I'll be in the minority on this but he's a 70+ year old head coach of a major college power. He's got enough on his plate and playing investigator is not one of those things. He did what he I think he should do which is tell the GA to report it the correct parties and let them handle it. At this stage of the game Joe lacks the mental capacity to oversee every aspect of what goes on at Penn State or deal with every issue.

Dude, just stop.No one wants to hear he has a lot on his plate.He and his staff sit or have sat on couches at kids homes and recruit kids to come play at his school.He is OBLIGATED to make sure his staff is doing nothing to harm any of his kids at the school he represents.

No I won't stop and no I'm not fishing. Unlike all of you I'm not ready to condemn a man when I don't know all the facts. I said it before and I'll say it for the last time. Until I know what the GA said to Paterno I'm not going to pass judegement. Either way I think Paterno is finished as head coach at Penn State no matter what the GA said to him. What is at stake here is his legacy and how he'll be remembered. As for obligation to his players. I know people don't want to let facts get in the way here but when Paterno was informed of the shower incident Sandusky was not a member of his staff.

Yes, clearly that is what is at stake, not the victims who have lived with this torment for the past few decades.The reason Paterno is being dragged down is a person of his stature carries a lot of weight.He can influence many people.He was not an intern that saw something happen and would think no one would believe him.He is the face of an establishment who in his power could at least make sure Sandusky was not allowed on the premises.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

one report I saw suggested that the school might not be able to survive all the settlements...

it's a state school. Will the state of PA survive all the settlements?

this thread is like Groundhog Day or Memento.

 

[ClownCausedChaos]

...I better see that they have all been fired or resigned by the end of the day...

Or what?

 

[dgreen]

OJ McDuffie saying rumors have been there about Sandusky since 1990...

In my organization, we've always been told to report anything and everything related to sexual harassment to HR. When something finally happens and people start suing, the courts are going to ask whether the organization "should have known" something could happen. So, if someone makes a sexual comment in the office, then starts to hit on women he shouldn't hit on, then touches one of them, the court can look back to that first comment that nobody did anything about and say the organization "should have known" something was up.

 

[Sconch]

oh no

 

[ClownCausedChaos]

one report I saw suggested that the school might not be able to survive all the settlements...

it's a state school. Will the state of PA survive all the settlements?

this thread is like Groundhog Day or Memento.

Technically, this thread is about 3 pages long.

 

[Parrothead]

I am beginning to wonder if there even will be a game on Saturday. With all the #### that has gone down (and it is only Tuesday), how will the team be able to play? who will be left to coach them? McQueary??

Is there a chance the BOT throws their hands in the air, says "F it", and forfeits the game?

We are in unprecedented territory afterall..

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I haven't followed this story but can someone give me the cliff notes as to why Paterno would be forced to resign if he knew nothing about it (not part of the investigation) and if he did know something, he did report it?

JoePa called anal rape with a boy in the showers "horsing around"

Thats simply not true.

 

[ClownCausedChaos]

I am beginning to wonder if there even will be a game on Saturday. With all the #### that has gone down (and it is only Tuesday), how will the team be able to play? who will be left to coach them? McQueary?? Is there a chance the BOT throws their hands in the air, says "F it", and forfeits the game?We are in unprecedented territory afterall..

I understand what you're saying, but no way that happens. I would foresee Bradley coaching if need be.

 

[The Noid]

So the PSU campus investigation in 2002 found no corroboration of McQueary's story, but who did they try to corroborate with? There were only 3 people involved: McQueary, Sandusky and the kid. They never tried to identify the kid. So that leaves Sandusky.

PSU: He says you did it, did you?

Sandusky: Nope.

PSU: Ok, it's a 1 to 1 tie, with no tie-breaker. Thanks.

That whole investigation reeks of a sweep-it-under-the-rub cover-up.

 

[JZilla]

one report I saw suggested that the school might not be able to survive all the settlements...

it's a state school. Will the state of PA survive all the settlements?

this thread is like Groundhog Day or Memento.

Technically, this thread is about 3 pages long.

I like how every couple pages some new doofus comes in and tries to play devil's advocate, then gets run out on a rail

 

[wadegarrett]

So the PSU campus investigation in 2002 found no corroboration of McQueary's story, but who did they try to corroborate with? There were only 3 people involved: McQueary, Sandusky and the kid. They never tried to identify the kid. So that leaves Sandusky.

PSU: He says you did it, did you?

Sandusky: Nope.

PSU: Ok, it's a 1 to 1 tie, with no tie-breaker. Thanks.

That whole investigation reeks of a sweep-it-under-the-rub cover-up.

I heard this is one of Sandusky's moves.

 

[belljr]

Two moms speakhttp://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/mothers_of_two_of_jerry_sandus.html

McQueary, now an assistant coach for the Nittany Lions football team, went to his father first, then to coach Joe Paterno.“I don’t even have words to talk about the betrayal that I feel,” said the mom of Victim Six. “[McQueary] was a grown man, and he saw a boy being sodomized ... He ran and called his daddy?”

 

[ClownCausedChaos]

one report I saw suggested that the school might not be able to survive all the settlements...

it's a state school. Will the state of PA survive all the settlements?

this thread is like Groundhog Day or Memento.

Technically, this thread is about 3 pages long.

I like how every couple pages some new doofus comes in and tries to play devil's advocate, then gets run out on a rail

Actually, I was referring to the same people who keep regurgitating over and over about how all of them should be burned at the stake.

 

[AmosMoses]

http://youtu.be/4qF1jmNNe-I

I'm afraid thats what the PSU presser would have been like....

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Two moms speakhttp://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/mothers_of_two_of_jerry_sandus.html

McQueary, now an assistant coach for the Nittany Lions football team, went to his father first, then to coach Joe Paterno.“I don’t even have words to talk about the betrayal that I feel,” said the mom of Victim Six. “[McQueary] was a grown man, and he saw a boy being sodomized ... He ran and called his daddy?”

and we're back to page 15 or so.

 

[Tom Servo]

I am beginning to wonder if there even will be a game on Saturday. With all the #### that has gone down (and it is only Tuesday), how will the team be able to play? who will be left to coach them? McQueary?? Is there a chance the BOT throws their hands in the air, says "F it", and forfeits the game?We are in unprecedented territory afterall..

I'm guessing it still goes on.

 

[Ned]

okif you hear "old man in the shower doing something inappropriate with young boy" which Joe admittied to, THAT is enough. And if you are not sure that is enough, FIND OUT.

No I don't think if that's all Joe heard he needs to "follow up". I take it I'll be in the minority on this but he's a 70+ year old head coach of a major college power. He's got enough on his plate and playing investigator is not one of those things. He did what he I think he should do which is tell the GA to report it the correct parties and let them handle it. At this stage of the game Joe lacks the mental capacity to oversee every aspect of what goes on at Penn State or deal with every issue.

Dude, just stop.No one wants to hear he has a lot on his plate.He and his staff sit or have sat on couches at kids homes and recruit kids to come play at his school.He is OBLIGATED to make sure his staff is doing nothing to harm any of his kids at the school he represents.

No I won't stop and no I'm not fishing. Unlike all of you I'm not ready to condemn a man when I don't know all the facts. I said it before and I'll say it for the last time. Until I know what the GA said to Paterno I'm not going to pass judegement. Either way I think Paterno is finished as head coach at Penn State no matter what the GA said to him. What is at stake here is his legacy and how he'll be remembered. As for obligation to his players. I know people don't want to let facts get in the way here but when Paterno was informed of the shower incident Sandusky was not a member of his staff.

You can't be this dense. Good try though.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

No I won't stop and no I'm not fishing. Unlike all of you I'm not ready to condemn a man when I don't know all the facts.

I said it before and I'll say it for the last time. Until I know what the GA said to Paterno I'm not going to pass judegement.

Read the grand jury report.

We do know, sport.

This is one of the saddest stories in sports in my lifetime. Guy was baiting at risk kids with his charity, committing the crimes at the Penn State athletic facilities and the folks around him turned a blind eye to it. One of the worst things is Penn State apparently bought off McQueary by keeping him on staff all these years knowing he was the key to bringing the university down. McQueary is just as bad as Sandusky here, he not only could have stopped a crime in progress but he could have prevented it from ever happening again. How many rapes is McQueary responsible for?

Then they let Sandusky use the facilities up until a week ago? This is a disaster that will take at least a decade to recover from. They were asking the question today about whether this decreases the value of a Penn State degree. When employers look at the degree what is the first thing they'll think? Not top 50 public university, not anytime soon anyway. What a mess for everyone involved then, now and at least in the immediate future.

And it's not like Penn State is squeaky clean either. From 2002 to 2008 their football program alone had 43 arrests that resulted in 140+ charges. To say there was a lack of institutional control is a vast understatement, it was actually organized chaos.

 

[Mario Kart]

Sorry for jumping in but could someone summarize what is actually known and what is speculation at this point. What did Paterno know and what is speculated that he knew? Things like that because the past couple of pages here does not give a rundown such as this. Thanks.

 

[Gachi]

OJ McDuffie saying rumors have been there about Sandusky since 1990...

Jesus.

Horrible, isn't it? Most pedophiles can have HUNDREDS of victims. No telling how many lived this pervert has ruined. If I see a grown molesting a child with my own eyes, it would take take all of my strength to resist killing the SOB.

 

[Parrothead]

I am beginning to wonder if there even will be a game on Saturday. With all the #### that has gone down (and it is only Tuesday), how will the team be able to play? who will be left to coach them? McQueary?? Is there a chance the BOT throws their hands in the air, says "F it", and forfeits the game?We are in unprecedented territory afterall..

I'm guessing it still goes on.

me too, but what if this scandal keeps getting worse? as it is, Saturday's game is an afterthought

 

[Ned]

Two moms speakhttp://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/mothers_of_two_of_jerry_sandus.html

McQueary, now an assistant coach for the Nittany Lions football team, went to his father first, then to coach Joe Paterno.“I don’t even have words to talk about the betrayal that I feel,” said the mom of Victim Six. “[McQueary] was a grown man, and he saw a boy being sodomized ... He ran and called his daddy?”

and we're back to page 15 or so.

 

[dharmapunk]

Has anyone used the word catamite in this thread yet?

Catamite.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Like I mentioned earlier in this thread, the school will be destroyed by this scandal. Spanier, Paterno, all of them need to be gone yesterday!! What in the hell are they thinking?? Who is in charge of PR at this university? It's done, they need to get out of there, all of them! I better see that they have all been fired or resigned by the end of the day. And don't give me this due process BS, read the grand jury report. The scum doesnt deserve due process imo. Remember, this is just the stuff that we know about now. I can only imagine what else there is out there that we don't know about.

If you got together 100 of the nation's foremost Constitutional scholars for a three-day symposium, I'm not sure they could come up with a better explanation of the importance of "due process" than this post."Due process? Don't talk to me about due process! My anger upon learning of these events through the media demands immediate satisfaction!"

 

[Parrothead]

Sorry for jumping in but could someone summarize what is actually known and what is speculation at this point. What did Paterno know and what is speculated that he knew? Things like that because the past couple of pages here does not give a rundown such as this. Thanks.

did you miss the press conference?

 

[belljr]

Two moms speakhttp://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/mothers_of_two_of_jerry_sandus.html

McQueary, now an assistant coach for the Nittany Lions football team, went to his father first, then to coach Joe Paterno.“I don’t even have words to talk about the betrayal that I feel,” said the mom of Victim Six. “[McQueary] was a grown man, and he saw a boy being sodomized ... He ran and called his daddy?”

and we're back to page 15 or so.

HA!!! Oops missed it

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Penn state will survive this monster and the blind eyes. Its the largest alumni network in the world.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

One of the worst stories I've ever seen involving major college sports. It's hard to fathom how so many people in positions of authority could have knowledge of this and turn a blind eye. Losing their jobs should be the least of their concerns.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Sorry for jumping in but could someone summarize what is actually known and what is speculation at this point. What did Paterno know and what is speculated that he knew? Things like that because the past couple of pages here does not give a rundown such as this. Thanks.

read this: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-wetzel_penn_state_child_sex_case_110511

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

If parting with Paterno, do it now

 

[Todd Andrews]

I haven't followed this story but can someone give me the cliff notes as to why Paterno would be forced to resign if he knew nothing about it (not part of the investigation) and if he did know something, he did report it?

JoePa called anal rape with a boy in the showers "horsing around"

I feel like I know enough about this to blame everyone involved except Paterno. He's still not off the hook but I need to know more. For instance did the Graduate assistant tell Paterno he witnessed full on anal intercourse or did he feel uncomfortable having that discussion with Paterno and phrased it like, "I saw Sandusky acting inappropriately with a young boy". Both are of course bad but require a major difference in actions.

Let's not forget Paterno is an old man with a big job. Even though he's delegated lots of task it's still got to be a lot for an old man to keep together. Most 70+ people live in retirement and still get mentally confused from time to time.

So let's say Paterno is sitting in his home office one day trying to mentally keep it together. Out of the blue some assistant comes to his house, tells him he witnessed in-appropriate behavior but did not mention anal intercourse or full on rape. If that's how it went down I don't have an issue with Paterno telling the assistant to go report the behavior and essentially leave it alone. I'm just having a hard time thinking Paterno knew exactly what Sandusky was doing.

I had one big question about all of this. Do we know the race(s) the abused kids or if the majority fit a specific race? Here is why I'm wondering. I can't make sense of people hiding the sick acts of Sandusky. Just can't make sense of how a guy can do this for so long with so many people seeming to know and no one stopped him. So it got me thinking. Are the kids African American? Could we not only be dealing with people not protecting these innocent kids but could they be turning away because these kids are african american and in the eyes of many of them therefore not worth protecting? Just a wild brained theory on my part which really only would make this worse but I grew up in the deep south and I've seen some people treat black people as sub-human which is the only reason this thought popped in my mind because whatever race these kids were that's how they were treated, as sub-humans. Hell worse than that. I'd have reported Sandusky if I saw him raping a dog.

listenif someone says

"Person X was in a shower naked with a naked 10 year old boy doing sexual things" that is enough. At that the cops need to be notified, you need to follow up on this. End of story. Now, odds are that the GA, whose dad was there, was plenty graphic. IF not, and if Joe was not sure if this was innocent or not (because there is a lot of innocent fooling around naked with little boys in the shower ) Joe could have asked more. IF he was not sure it was because he did not want to be. But again, HE described it as something sexual, that's enough to be morally obligated to follow up on.

I understand it is tough to see him fall, but he failed to do what any person should do.

And that ignores all the circumstantial evidence that suggests he may have known about this for a long time. What he admitted to to the grand jury is enough to condemn him. If he does not think so, I would ask him how he would react if someone told him his grandson was in a shower naked with a naked grown man doing something sexual.

But that's just it, I don't know that the GA even said that much or did he just dance around it and say something like I saw inappropriate behavior?

I did not know his dad went with him to speak with Paterno. Honestly this story makes me to sick to follow it but I'll say this. The person I want to hear from more than anyone is not Paterno. I want to hear the GA say exactly what he told Paterno.

Not sure why this is confusing. The grand jury report says that the GA told Paterno "what he had seen." That is pretty clear and the GA has been clear he told Paterno what he saw. Paterno swore under oath in his testimony to the grand jury that the GA "was very upset" and told him that the GA reported seeing Sandusky in the showers "fondling or doing something sexual with a young boy." Those quotes are what Paterno swore under oath to the grand jury. What dont you understand? There is no ambiguity or uncertainty. Anyone who thinks Paterno didnt know what the GA saw is a complete fool. How he reported it up the channel is unclear because the two guys arrested say the GA didnt give them the details, but the GA says he was very specific and told them he saw Sandusky having anal sex with the boy. They have now been charged with perjury and the grand jury said the GA was very credible and they were criminally lying under oath.

So both the GA and Paterno have testified under oath that they reported sexual contact up the channels and nothing happened. Sickening.

If you dont know the facts already reported, maybe you should go learn them before you draw conclusions and post in this thread.