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I'll take yes and no please.No +200Yes -160The only question is whether this thread gets locked before Paterno is fired.
I'll take yes and no please.No +200Yes -160The only question is whether this thread gets locked before Paterno is fired.
National Football Foundation withdraws award to Curley
Wednesday, November 09, 2011
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
The National Football Foundation said today that it will not present its top award for an athletic administrator this year, an award that the organization announced in June would go to Penn State Athletic Director Tim Curley.
The foundation said in a statement today that the John L. Toner Award for an outstanding athletic director will not be presented at the group's awards dinner in New York in December and that it will be vacated for 2011. The award is presented annually by the foundation to an athletic director who has demonstrated "superior administrative abilities and shown outstanding dedication to college athletics and particularly college football".
In announcing the award in June, the foundation said Curley's "passion for winning has also extended to the classroom with the NCAA reporting in 2010 that Penn State student-athletes compiled a school-record 90 percent Graduation Success Rate, 11 points higher than the national average for schools in the NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision."
Curley stepped away from his job Sunday, taking paid administrative leave to fight criminal charges that he perjured himself in front of a state grand jury and failed to report the sexual assault of a child. Former assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky, the target of the investigation, was charged with 40 counts of sexual assault, corruption of minors and other crimes.
Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11313/1188676-100.stm?cmpid=news.xml#ixzz1dFOwCbuQ
Can they forfeit games? Would be a lot of lost revenue for host team. I'm sure they have insurance policies to cover that, but I can't see anyway the conference would let them no show the last 2 games.A guy who has been a Penn State beat reporter for 20+ years (name slips me but he was on DC sports talk today), said that the death penalty is something he believes the administrators will consider (like two years). As far as a bowl game, well that simply isn't going to happen. And they can't be crazy/stupid enough to send JoePa to Columbus and Madison can they? People talk about brutal environments with ruthless fans in Columbus but Wisconsin makes Ohio State feel like a cool ocean breeze on a summer's day. No way they can send him there, that's why JoePa is done after Saturday and the program should really consider forfeiting their final two games. In the big scheme of things, those games will mean nothing anyway. Why subject a bunch of athletes who had nothing to do with the institutional failures of Penn State with unnecessary scrutiny and inflammatory remarks/ideas? Shut it down after Saturday"s game please.
If it's a money thing I don't understand either. Having 100k people cheering on Paterno on Saturday wouldn't be great for the brand. If I was one of the parents I'd be outside that game talking to every media outlet available. Truly incredible to contemplate having a game in that city given the circumstance.A guy who has been a Penn State beat reporter for 20+ years (name slips me but he was on DC sports talk today), said that the death penalty is something he believes the administrators will consider (like two years). As far as a bowl game, well that simply isn't going to happen. And they can't be crazy/stupid enough to send JoePa to Columbus and Madison can they? People talk about brutal environments with ruthless fans in Columbus but Wisconsin makes Ohio State feel like a cool ocean breeze on a summer's day. No way they can send him there, that's why JoePa is done after Saturday and the program should really consider forfeiting their final two games. In the big scheme of things, those games will mean nothing anyway. Why subject a bunch of athletes who had nothing to do with the institutional failures of Penn State with unnecessary scrutiny and inflammatory remarks/ideas? Shut it down after Saturday"s game please.
Paterno recommended for Medal of Freedom
By Dan Stefano, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Wednesday, September 7, 2011
Penn State football coach Joe Paterno, a two-time national championship winner and five-time Coach of the Year honoree, has been nominated for the nation's highest civilian honor — again.
A year after Paterno was nominated but not made a finalist for the award, Pennsylvania Sens. Bob Casey and Pat Toomey and Rep. Glenn Thompson have sent a letter to President Obama recommending the coaching legend for the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
"Coach Paterno`s accomplishments on the football field are nothing short of legendary," the members` letter reads, noting Paterno's NCAA DIvision I FBS record of 402 coaching victories.
But after reeling off a list of Paterno`s coaching milestones, the members spend much of the letter reflecting on the coach`s commitment to players` academic success and his charitable endeavors off the field.
"The Presidential Medal of Freedom has historically been awarded for meritorious contributions to the national interests of the United States," the letter reads. "Coach Paterno`s contributions exceed this standard by a considerable degree and we respectfully request that you provide him you utmost consideration for the award."
Late coaching legends Bear Bryant (Alabama football) and John Wooden (UCLA men`s basketball) have also been awarded the medal.
Read more: Paterno recommended for Medal of Freedom - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_755519.html?_s_icmp=NetworkHeadlines#ixzz1dFQc5qtv
Still disagree with cancelling the season or forfeiting games. The team has suffered enough with all this bull####, don't penalize them further by taking away games. There are also a few million reasons I don't think this is on the table. Not saying it's right but it is business.In case I haven't been clear enough on what needs to happen in my opinion: ANYONE RELATED TO THIS INVESTIGATION WHO KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON AND DID NOTHING (I'm looking at you Paterno/McQueary/Spanier) NEED TO BE LET GO IMMEDIATELY IF NOT SOONER.A guy who has been a Penn State beat reporter for 20+ years (name slips me but he was on DC sports talk today), said that the death penalty is something he believes the administrators will consider (like two years).
As far as a bowl game, well that simply isn't going to happen. And they can't be crazy/stupid enough to send JoePa to Columbus and Madison can they? People talk about brutal environments with ruthless fans in Columbus but Wisconsin makes Ohio State feel like a cool ocean breeze on a summer's day. No way they can send him there, that's why JoePa is done after Saturday and the program should really consider forfeiting their final two games. In the big scheme of things, those games will mean nothing anyway. Why subject a bunch of athletes who had nothing to do with the institutional failures of Penn State with unnecessary scrutiny and inflammatory remarks/ideas? Shut it down after Saturday"s game please.
don't foregt the 2000 incident that the janitors reported to campus police...The Unversity was covering up for himI think this is very close to the truth. A broader cover-up best explains the decision not to report what McQueary witnessed in 2002. However, I don't think Sandusky had anything on Joe or the program. I think PSU helped sweep the 1998 incident under the rug. Remember, Sandusky was still a PSU coach at that time. It would have been very embarrassing to the program had the allegations come to light. Additionally, the allegations while bizarre and inappropriate,are not as serious as the current charges. Sandusky, allegedly took a shower with a kid. So he tells everyone this the first time he has ever done anything like this and that it will never happen again. PSU intervenes on his behalf, partly out of self-preservation, partly out of loyalty to Sandusky. Maybe PSU tells the local authorities they will ensure that Sandusky gets counseling. Everyone involved convinces himself that it was an isolated incident and that it is everyone's best interest to make the problem go away. Sandusky quietly retires. Now fast forward to 2002. More serious allegations come to light. Everyone that was involved in the 1998 cover-up is still at PSU. They meet and decide that if they report Sandusky for the recent incident people will start digging around the 1998 incident and the lid will be blown of their cover-up. They decide to go all in on the cover-up and don't report what McQueary saw. Of course this is all speculation. It does present a way to make some sense of the 2002 decision not to report Sandusky. That decision is so bizarre and unfathomable, it begs for a bizarre explanation. Its so obvious that you contact the authorities that there must have been something going on behind the scene. There is simply no way these high level administrators made such a poor decision without having some sort of compelling motivation.
I'll take yes and no please.No +200Yes -160The only question is whether this thread gets locked before Paterno is fired.

Well, it is a state university.Just heard on the radio that the president of PSU will either retire or be forced to quit.
This is bigger than football or money. Penn State's reputation is already tainted for decades why subject them to more unnecessary scrutiny? Jim Delaney isn't going to let them play in the B10CSG, no bowl will want them. Just play Saturday and let the season die. As far as the money, Penn State can pay Wisconsin and Ohio State for the lost revenue. It's the least they can do.Still disagree with cancelling the season or forfeiting games. The team has suffered enough with all this bull####, don't penalize them further by taking away games. There are also a few million reasons I don't think this is on the table. Not saying it's right but it is business.In case I haven't been clear enough on what needs to happen in my opinion: ANYONE RELATED TO THIS INVESTIGATION WHO KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON AND DID NOTHING (I'm looking at you Paterno/McQueary/Spanier) NEED TO BE LET GO IMMEDIATELY IF NOT SOONER.A guy who has been a Penn State beat reporter for 20+ years (name slips me but he was on DC sports talk today), said that the death penalty is something he believes the administrators will consider (like two years).
As far as a bowl game, well that simply isn't going to happen. And they can't be crazy/stupid enough to send JoePa to Columbus and Madison can they? People talk about brutal environments with ruthless fans in Columbus but Wisconsin makes Ohio State feel like a cool ocean breeze on a summer's day. No way they can send him there, that's why JoePa is done after Saturday and the program should really consider forfeiting their final two games. In the big scheme of things, those games will mean nothing anyway. Why subject a bunch of athletes who had nothing to do with the institutional failures of Penn State with unnecessary scrutiny and inflammatory remarks/ideas? Shut it down after Saturday"s game please.
You can start worrying about the program and the ramifications after the above takes place. There is no other course of action that would be even close to acceptable from the BOT.
If they want to do more, they can pay the television networks for lost advertising revenue.This is bigger than football or money. Penn State's reputation is already tainted for decades why subject them to more unnecessary scrutiny? Jim Delaney isn't going to let them play in the B10CSG, no bowl will want them. Just play Saturday and let the season die. As far as the money, Penn State can pay Wisconsin and Ohio State for the lost revenue. It's the least they can do.Still disagree with cancelling the season or forfeiting games. The team has suffered enough with all this bull####, don't penalize them further by taking away games. There are also a few million reasons I don't think this is on the table. Not saying it's right but it is business.In case I haven't been clear enough on what needs to happen in my opinion: ANYONE RELATED TO THIS INVESTIGATION WHO KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON AND DID NOTHING (I'm looking at you Paterno/McQueary/Spanier) NEED TO BE LET GO IMMEDIATELY IF NOT SOONER.A guy who has been a Penn State beat reporter for 20+ years (name slips me but he was on DC sports talk today), said that the death penalty is something he believes the administrators will consider (like two years).
As far as a bowl game, well that simply isn't going to happen. And they can't be crazy/stupid enough to send JoePa to Columbus and Madison can they? People talk about brutal environments with ruthless fans in Columbus but Wisconsin makes Ohio State feel like a cool ocean breeze on a summer's day. No way they can send him there, that's why JoePa is done after Saturday and the program should really consider forfeiting their final two games. In the big scheme of things, those games will mean nothing anyway. Why subject a bunch of athletes who had nothing to do with the institutional failures of Penn State with unnecessary scrutiny and inflammatory remarks/ideas? Shut it down after Saturday"s game please.
You can start worrying about the program and the ramifications after the above takes place. There is no other course of action that would be even close to acceptable from the BOT.
As a Pennsylvania taxpayer, I'm torn. I'd rather not have my money paying for his keep.tack on moreNot sure how this exactly works, but in light of other victims appearing; can he be arrested again w/ additional charges or will they just tack on more charges without arresting him again?I want this jerk to be behind bars before he offs himself.
You know this, how?Jim Delaney isn't going to let them play in the B10CSG, no bowl will want them.
Man....even in water colors the guy looks like a ChiMo.Michael Pilato, the artist who created the mural on the corner of College Avenue and Heister Street in downtown State College, placed a "cloud" over the image of Jerry Sandusky in the painting.
I think there's only more unnecessary scrutiny if Paterno and McQueary are still employed. If they fire them, and anyone else known, I don't think they have any unnecessary scrutiny involved in their games. If they're fired, I think the crowd Saturday, and even the road games, is a supportive crowd. If they aren't fired, it could be a disaster.Penn State's reputation is already tainted for decades why subject them to more unnecessary scrutiny?
Because I am Jim Delaney and I also have common sense.You know this, how?Jim Delaney isn't going to let them play in the B10CSG, no bowl will want them.
That's really depressing. One of my hopes would be that this story would lead to more people coming out about abuse. I mean, what are people who currently know something about someone thinking right now? Then again, I'm sure they've known the whole time that they haven't done right. This story, in reality, probably won't change much going forward.To help put things in perspective.
January, 6, 2002: http://www.boston.com/globe/spotlight/abuse/extras/coverups_archive.htm
The Boston Globe first breaks its story on the clergy abuse scandal within the Catholic Church.
March 3, 2002: McQueary goes to Paterno and tells him he say Sandusky and a 10-year-old boy role-playing to Deliverance.
March 3, 2002: Paterno responds: "That's just Jerry just being Jerry."
Pretty amazing for a devout Catholic to not have this on their radar and understand the magnitude of the situation. And people wonder why the focus is so heavily on Paterno.To help put things in perspective.
January, 6, 2002: http://www.boston.com/globe/spotlight/abuse/extras/coverups_archive.htm
The Boston Globe first breaks its story on the clergy abuse scandal within the Catholic Church.
March 3, 2002: McQueary goes to Paterno and tells him he say Sandusky and a 10-year-old boy role-playing to Deliverance.
March 3, 2002: Paterno responds: "That's just Jerry just being Jerry."
Based on earlier treatment of similar posts, I'd guess not.You gonna be here all week?So if an older women who likes younger men is a couger, is an older man who likes younger boys called a nittany lion?
Is there anything you can do about that God-awful new Big 10 logo or these stupid division names?LinkBecause I am Jim Delaney and I also have common sense.You know this, how?Jim Delaney isn't going to let them play in the B10CSG, no bowl will want them.![]()
Eh, he won't last too too long inside either, but it's worth the money.As a Pennsylvania taxpayer, I'm torn. I'd rather not have my money paying for his keep.tack on moreNot sure how this exactly works, but in light of other victims appearing; can he be arrested again w/ additional charges or will they just tack on more charges without arresting him again?I want this jerk to be behind bars before he offs himself.
I'm working on the division names gb, the logo is beyond my control (wife's design).Is there anything you can do about that God-awful new Big 10 logo or these stupid division names?LinkBecause I am Jim Delaney and I also have common sense.You know this, how?Jim Delaney isn't going to let them play in the B10CSG, no bowl will want them.![]()
Paterno's reputation is forever tainted. PSU's will take decades before this scandel is not the first thing you think about when someone says Penn State. Perfect storm type deal, Paterno/devout Catholic/child molestation.I think there's only more unnecessary scrutiny if Paterno and McQueary are still employed. If they fire them, and anyone else known, I don't think they have any unnecessary scrutiny involved in their games. If they're fired, I think the crowd Saturday, and even the road games, is a supportive crowd. If they aren't fired, it could be a disaster.Penn State's reputation is already tainted for decades why subject them to more unnecessary scrutiny?
*cough cough* Too soon!I'm working on the division names gb, the logo is beyond my control (wife's design).Is there anything you can do about that God-awful new Big 10 logo or these stupid division names?LinkBecause I am Jim Delaney and I also have common sense.You know this, how?Jim Delaney isn't going to let them play in the B10CSG, no bowl will want them.![]()
Is this true? is that what he said?To help put things in perspective.
January, 6, 2002: http://www.boston.com/globe/spotlight/abuse/extras/coverups_archive.htm
The Boston Globe first breaks its story on the clergy abuse scandal within the Catholic Church.
March 3, 2002: McQueary goes to Paterno and tells him he say Sandusky and a 10-year-old boy role-playing to Deliverance.
March 3, 2002: Paterno responds: "That's just Jerry just being Jerry."
No, but that's what he said by inaction. He knew Jerry had been investigated for this very offense four years earlier, and seeing as how Sandusky was on PSU campus for the next 9 years, that's pretty much what Paterno is saying to all the victims.Is this true? is that what he said?To help put things in perspective.
January, 6, 2002: http://www.boston.com/globe/spotlight/abuse/extras/coverups_archive.htm
The Boston Globe first breaks its story on the clergy abuse scandal within the Catholic Church.
March 3, 2002: McQueary goes to Paterno and tells him he say Sandusky and a 10-year-old boy role-playing to Deliverance.
March 3, 2002: Paterno responds: "That's just Jerry just being Jerry."
Sandusky was very lucky to have the Paterno and the AD as his bosses. Just wait for any footage of Paterno talking about the molestation scandels in the Catholic church. Got to believe the networks are digging through their files.No, but that's what he said by inaction. He knew Jerry had been investigated for this very offense four years earlier, and seeing as how Sandusky was on PSU campus for the next 9 years, that's pretty much what Paterno is saying to all the victims.Is this true? is that what he said?To help put things in perspective.
January, 6, 2002: http://www.boston.com/globe/spotlight/abuse/extras/coverups_archive.htm
The Boston Globe first breaks its story on the clergy abuse scandal within the Catholic Church.
March 3, 2002: McQueary goes to Paterno and tells him he say Sandusky and a 10-year-old boy role-playing to Deliverance.
March 3, 2002: Paterno responds: "That's just Jerry just being Jerry."
Did he really do this?Just wait for any footage of Paterno talking about the molestation scandels in the Catholic church.
Think of it as paying for him to be given what he gave. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.As a Pennsylvania taxpayer, I'm torn. I'd rather not have my money paying for his keep.tack on moreNot sure how this exactly works, but in light of other victims appearing; can he be arrested again w/ additional charges or will they just tack on more charges without arresting him again?I want this jerk to be behind bars before he offs himself.
sounds like a lot of other people need to step down if the bolded is trueFound this interesting and disturbing:
Among those who testified was the mother of Sandusky’s youngest adopted son, a boy he met through the second Mile, took in as a foster child and later legally adopted as an adult. Matt Sandusky’s mother, Debra Long, told the Patriot-News that she had raised concerns about the behavior of her son and Sandusky once her son went to live with the Sandusky family in 1995. “We tried to stop it back then,” Long said. “We were dragging it to the court system all the time and we couldn’t prevent it. it upsets me, because these kids didn’t need to go through this.”
Almost comfortably numb.If McQ and Paterno are on the field Saturday, it is going to be a weird vibe.
there's probably a decent chance that the wife knewPerhaps. It just doesn't seem to fit the pattern. With his wife having access to those kids his likelihood of being caught with them was higher than the kids who were disadvantaged. Although I don't really put anything past him at this point either.I think you're giving him too much credit.Based on the grand jury report, it seemed like Sandusky had a very particular pattern. He probed his victims to see how much touching they would tolerate. Got them "comfortable" and then took more advantage as time progressed. I think he was careful and calculated, so I doubt he abused his own foster kids. He had the basement bedroom set-up for his overnight guests which kept his actions segragated from the rest of his house. There and after hours in the shower after telling kids "it's time for a shower" post exercise. The guy did things exactly the same and the abuse always started in the kid's second year of Second Mile.This isn't getting enough play, if he was banging a kid in a shower at PSU, god only knows what could happen in the safe haven of his home.Anyone know what ages the foster kids were when they came into his possession?I've been asking that all along. All 6 of his children were adopted. I'm most concerned about the foster children that he had in his house. No idea how many that included.Has there been any word if he ever molested his own children?
All males?
I love Penn State. I met my wife there. I am a season ticket holder.. I look forward to football season, being there, going to the bars, walking around campus.. it is literally my "happy place" I go to when I need it.. this, for now, is gone.If McQ and Paterno are on the field Saturday, it is going to be a weird vibe.
All his players are showing 100% support.
If he is on the field they will carry him on their shoulders as his last home game to cheers and a hopeful chase for a big bowl victory
This reminds me of when Bonds was chasing Aaron.
The world knew it was a farce.
People in SF would say
-he never tested positive
-he never admitted
-everyone else is doing it
to finally he may cheat, but he is still our cheater
The whole HR chase, and how it should be honored.
Would Aaron be there, would Selig etc...
Just weird
I was thinking this as well. This isn't going away and every press conference before, during, and after the game is going to bring it up. There will be no discussion of football each week this continues.I think there's only more unnecessary scrutiny if Paterno and McQueary are still employed. If they fire them, and anyone else known, I don't think they have any unnecessary scrutiny involved in their games. If they're fired, I think the crowd Saturday, and even the road games, is a supportive crowd. If they aren't fired, it could be a disaster.Penn State's reputation is already tainted for decades why subject them to more unnecessary scrutiny?The school/authorities/whomever have the chance to do the right thing NOW for both moral and PR reasons. The quicker they handle this the better.
They are going to give Paterno this last HOME game. No possible way they take this show on the road. If they let him "coach" this game, it will be his last.
Damn I hate being a Husker fan right now. I don't want anything to do with this game and am considering not even watching it. It is getting attention for all the wrong reasons.
How many of the ticket requests are from people that just want to be part of the circus?
Your glee in this situation is disturbing.So, think Joe will be given this award?
Paterno recommended for Medal of Freedom
By Dan Stefano, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Wednesday, September 7, 2011
Penn State football coach Joe Paterno, a two-time national championship winner and five-time Coach of the Year honoree, has been nominated for the nation's highest civilian honor — again.
A year after Paterno was nominated but not made a finalist for the award, Pennsylvania Sens. Bob Casey and Pat Toomey and Rep. Glenn Thompson have sent a letter to President Obama recommending the coaching legend for the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
"Coach Paterno`s accomplishments on the football field are nothing short of legendary," the members` letter reads, noting Paterno's NCAA DIvision I FBS record of 402 coaching victories.
But after reeling off a list of Paterno`s coaching milestones, the members spend much of the letter reflecting on the coach`s commitment to players` academic success and his charitable endeavors off the field.
"The Presidential Medal of Freedom has historically been awarded for meritorious contributions to the national interests of the United States," the letter reads. "Coach Paterno`s contributions exceed this standard by a considerable degree and we respectfully request that you provide him you utmost consideration for the award."
Late coaching legends Bear Bryant (Alabama football) and John Wooden (UCLA men`s basketball) have also been awarded the medal.
Read more: Paterno recommended for Medal of Freedom - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_755519.html?_s_icmp=NetworkHeadlines#ixzz1dFQc5qtv
I can hear the keys rattling..There's probably a wealth of good information out there on pedophilia. I doubt you'll get much of it here.Serious question here that will probably get a whole slew of sarcastic remarks: What causes a person (Sandusky) to such vile behavior? 1) Is it some kind of mental illness? 2) Plain laziness to curb his perverted urges?3) Other?Clearly he knew he was doing something horribly wrong yet he continued to molest children for years. I know this probably (sadly) happens often is society but dont understand the driver of such behavior.
It's not glee, it's anger and disgust. This is not a sports issue with me. I have people very close to me who have been impacted significantly by sexual abuse when they were children. I've seen the pain, the guilt, the shame, the anger that these people have to deal with.There is nothing more disgusting to me than someone who sexually abuses a child...nothing. People who look the other way and permit it to continue are a close second.Who posted in: Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestingMember name PostsCrossEyed 162Aaron Rudnicki 84B-Deep 70AmosMoses 60Joe Summer 52Walton Goggins 49Leeroy Jenkins 48Parrothead 47Sinn Fein 40Todd Andrews 39Chase Stuart 38ClownCausedChaos 38Billy Bats 32ConstruxBoy 32Joseph 30timschochet 28Sconch 26HellToupee 26culdeus 25dgreen 25BobbyLayne 24Almost twice as many posts as anyone else. Wow.