Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (2 Viewers)

[Parrothead]

JoePa is what, 84 years old? Not charged with any crime... why wouldn't he write a deathbed autobiography that told his side of all this? I have to think he won't go to the grave keeping all the details to which he was privy, a secret. Well, unless the autobiography would paint him in a really poor light, I suppose. Just a thought. And if JoePa were to write a book, I would be most interested to see where the proceeds go... to his family, or back to PSU or to some victims' fund.

you know who else wrote a book?

 

[Short Corner]

JoePa is what, 84 years old? Not charged with any crime... why wouldn't he write a deathbed autobiography that told his side of all this? I have to think he won't go to the grave keeping all the details to which he was privy, a secret. Well, unless the autobiography would paint him in a really poor light, I suppose. Just a thought. And if JoePa were to write a book, I would be most interested to see where the proceeds go... to his family, or back to PSU or to some victims' fund.

Right now he doesn't seem like the type of guy to undertake such a noble endeavor.

 

[ClownCausedChaos]

JoePa is what, 84 years old? Not charged with any crime... why wouldn't he write a deathbed autobiography that told his side of all this? I have to think he won't go to the grave keeping all the details to which he was privy, a secret. Well, unless the autobiography would paint him in a really poor light, I suppose. Just a thought. And if JoePa were to write a book, I would be most interested to see where the proceeds go... to his family, or back to PSU or to some victims' fund.

you know who else wrote a book?

No, I haven't heard anything about a book. Who?

 

[Parrothead]

JoePa is what, 84 years old? Not charged with any crime... why wouldn't he write a deathbed autobiography that told his side of all this? I have to think he won't go to the grave keeping all the details to which he was privy, a secret. Well, unless the autobiography would paint him in a really poor light, I suppose. Just a thought. And if JoePa were to write a book, I would be most interested to see where the proceeds go... to his family, or back to PSU or to some victims' fund.

you know who else wrote a book?

No, I haven't heard anything about a book. Who?

Mike McQueary- he was 22 when he wrote it

 

[culdeus]

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-november-10-2011/penn-state-riots

 

[David Yudkin]

I am beginning to wonder just how many people actively did nothing in this case. I heard on the radio today that incidents in 1998 were reported to the campus police, the local authorities, the state police, and Children & Protective Services and STILL nothing really went anywhere and it got swept under the rug. Anyone playing the I-didn't-know-anything card is quickly going to have that card revoked.

In 2009, one of the victims made HIS FOURTH COMPLAINT over a 4 year period to Child & Protective Services did anyone act on anything (which led to the grand jury hearing).

 

[ClownCausedChaos]

JoePa is what, 84 years old? Not charged with any crime... why wouldn't he write a deathbed autobiography that told his side of all this? I have to think he won't go to the grave keeping all the details to which he was privy, a secret. Well, unless the autobiography would paint him in a really poor light, I suppose. Just a thought. And if JoePa were to write a book, I would be most interested to see where the proceeds go... to his family, or back to PSU or to some victims' fund.

you know who else wrote a book?

No, I haven't heard anything about a book. Who?

Mike McQueary- he was 22 when he wrote it

Who?

 

[Parrothead]

JoePa is what, 84 years old? Not charged with any crime... why wouldn't he write a deathbed autobiography that told his side of all this? I have to think he won't go to the grave keeping all the details to which he was privy, a secret. Well, unless the autobiography would paint him in a really poor light, I suppose. Just a thought. And if JoePa were to write a book, I would be most interested to see where the proceeds go... to his family, or back to PSU or to some victims' fund.

you know who else wrote a book?

No, I haven't heard anything about a book. Who?

Mike McQueary- he was 22 when he wrote it

Who?

the janitor

 

[ClownCausedChaos]

JoePa is what, 84 years old? Not charged with any crime... why wouldn't he write a deathbed autobiography that told his side of all this? I have to think he won't go to the grave keeping all the details to which he was privy, a secret. Well, unless the autobiography would paint him in a really poor light, I suppose. Just a thought. And if JoePa were to write a book, I would be most interested to see where the proceeds go... to his family, or back to PSU or to some victims' fund.

you know who else wrote a book?

No, I haven't heard anything about a book. Who?

Mike McQueary- he was 22 when he wrote it

Who?

the janitor

The same janitor that wrote that 23-page speech for the press conference we're still waiting for to start?

 

[comfortably numb]

I am beginning to wonder just how many people actively did nothing in this case. I heard on the radio today that incidents in 1998 were reported to the campus police, the local authorities, the state police, and Children & Protective Services and STILL nothing really went anywhere and it got swept under the rug. Anyone playing the I-didn't-know-anything card is quickly going to have that card revoked.In 2009, one of the victims made HIS FOURTH COMPLAINT over a 4 year period to Child & Protective Services did anyone act on anything (which led to the grand jury hearing).

I would set the O/U at 100...sadly

 

[Dr. Awesome]

I am beginning to wonder just how many people actively did nothing in this case. I heard on the radio today that incidents in 1998 were reported to the campus police, the local authorities, the state police, and Children & Protective Services and STILL nothing really went anywhere and it got swept under the rug. Anyone playing the I-didn't-know-anything card is quickly going to have that card revoked.In 2009, one of the victims made HIS FOURTH COMPLAINT over a 4 year period to Child & Protective Services did anyone act on anything (which led to the grand jury hearing).

I hope a lot of people lose their jobs and/or are brought up on charges if this is all true. Even more I hope some changes will be made to help prevent these kind of things from ever happening again. Such a tragic story.

 

[culdeus]

My link

Sandusky's house on google maps. Note how that his lot basically adjoins the elementary school playground. :X

 

[CrossEyed]

I am beginning to wonder just how many people actively did nothing in this case. I heard on the radio today that incidents in 1998 were reported to the campus police, the local authorities, the state police, and Children & Protective Services and STILL nothing really went anywhere and it got swept under the rug. Anyone playing the I-didn't-know-anything card is quickly going to have that card revoked.In 2009, one of the victims made HIS FOURTH COMPLAINT over a 4 year period to Child & Protective Services did anyone act on anything (which led to the grand jury hearing).

Sounds like the entire region was/is under PSU's control. Makes me wonder even more about the Gricar disappearance. State police telling a mom not to talk to reporters, agencies charged with protecting children ignoring an obviously dangerous situation...this whole thing stinks.

 

[culdeus]

I am beginning to wonder just how many people actively did nothing in this case. I heard on the radio today that incidents in 1998 were reported to the campus police, the local authorities, the state police, and Children & Protective Services and STILL nothing really went anywhere and it got swept under the rug. Anyone playing the I-didn't-know-anything card is quickly going to have that card revoked.In 2009, one of the victims made HIS FOURTH COMPLAINT over a 4 year period to Child & Protective Services did anyone act on anything (which led to the grand jury hearing).

I would set the O/U at 100...sadly

It is probably 300. This was discussed on NPR yesterday, and has been referenced in this thread. Serial child molesters usually have contact with 150 kids before the age of 40. If not caught that rate increases until they are caught.

 

[Sinn Fein]

JoePa is what, 84 years old? Not charged with any crime... why wouldn't he write a deathbed autobiography that told his side of all this? I have to think he won't go to the grave keeping all the details to which he was privy, a secret. Well, unless the autobiography would paint him in a really poor light, I suppose. Just a thought. And if JoePa were to write a book, I would be most interested to see where the proceeds go... to his family, or back to PSU or to some victims' fund.

you know who else wrote a book?

No, I haven't heard anything about a book. Who?

Mike McQueary- he was 22 when he wrote it

Who?

the janitor

The same janitor that wrote that 23-page speech for the press conference we're still waiting for to start?

Is he the one that lives 1000 feet from an elementary school?

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

JoePa is what, 84 years old? Not charged with any crime... why wouldn't he write a deathbed autobiography that told his side of all this? I have to think he won't go to the grave keeping all the details to which he was privy, a secret. Well, unless the autobiography would paint him in a really poor light, I suppose. Just a thought.

And if JoePa were to write a book, I would be most interested to see where the proceeds go... to his family, or back to PSU or to some victims' fund.

The man was enough of an icon that he became a symbol. Somebody people looked up to what he represented for inspiration and that inspiration changed those individulas for the better. This was an image that he valued so much and thought so highly of that he became a CRE. Why would he write that auto-bio and further tear that image to shreds.

 

[NCCommish]

I am beginning to wonder just how many people actively did nothing in this case. I heard on the radio today that incidents in 1998 were reported to the campus police, the local authorities, the state police, and Children & Protective Services and STILL nothing really went anywhere and it got swept under the rug. Anyone playing the I-didn't-know-anything card is quickly going to have that card revoked.In 2009, one of the victims made HIS FOURTH COMPLAINT over a 4 year period to Child & Protective Services did anyone act on anything (which led to the grand jury hearing).

Sounds like the entire region was/is under PSU's control. Makes me wonder even more about the Gricar disappearance. State police telling a mom not to talk to reporters, agencies charged with protecting children ignoring an obviously dangerous situation...this whole thing stinks.

You combine the disappearance with the alleged child pimping and it takes on a very different light.

 

[comfortably numb]

I am beginning to wonder just how many people actively did nothing in this case. I heard on the radio today that incidents in 1998 were reported to the campus police, the local authorities, the state police, and Children & Protective Services and STILL nothing really went anywhere and it got swept under the rug. Anyone playing the I-didn't-know-anything card is quickly going to have that card revoked.In 2009, one of the victims made HIS FOURTH COMPLAINT over a 4 year period to Child & Protective Services did anyone act on anything (which led to the grand jury hearing).

I would set the O/U at 100...sadly

It is probably 300. This was discussed on NPR yesterday, and has been referenced in this thread. Serial child molesters usually have contact with 150 kids before the age of 40. If not caught that rate increases until they are caught.

my O/U is for people who knew/did nothing, not victims

 

[johnnycakes]

JoePa is what, 84 years old? Not charged with any crime... why wouldn't he write a deathbed autobiography that told his side of all this? I have to think he won't go to the grave keeping all the details to which he was privy, a secret. Well, unless the autobiography would paint him in a really poor light, I suppose. Just a thought.

And if JoePa were to write a book, I would be most interested to see where the proceeds go... to his family, or back to PSU or to some victims' fund.

The man was enough of an icon that he became a symbol. Somebody people looked up to what he represented for inspiration and that inspiration changed those individulas for the better. This was an image that he valued so much and thought so highly of that he became a CRE. Why would he write that auto-bio and further tear that image to shreds.

People have done stranger things when they're about to meet their maker.

 

[Wadsworth]

I am beginning to wonder just how many people actively did nothing in this case. I heard on the radio today that incidents in 1998 were reported to the campus police, the local authorities, the state police, and Children & Protective Services and STILL nothing really went anywhere and it got swept under the rug. Anyone playing the I-didn't-know-anything card is quickly going to have that card revoked.

In 2009, one of the victims made HIS FOURTH COMPLAINT over a 4 year period to Child & Protective Services did anyone act on anything (which led to the grand jury hearing).

You'd almost think that the entire power structure of that school and community was overly concerned about the reputation of the school and football program and not so concerned about a grown man raping young disadvantaged boys.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

I am beginning to wonder just how many people actively did nothing in this case. I heard on the radio today that incidents in 1998 were reported to the campus police, the local authorities, the state police, and Children & Protective Services and STILL nothing really went anywhere and it got swept under the rug. Anyone playing the I-didn't-know-anything card is quickly going to have that card revoked.

In 2009, one of the victims made HIS FOURTH COMPLAINT over a 4 year period to Child & Protective Services did anyone act on anything (which led to the grand jury hearing).

You'd almost think that the entire power structure of that school and community was overly concerned about the reputation of the school and football program and not so concerned about a grown man raping young disadvantaged boys.

I admire the courage it took for somebody to finally bring this indictment

 

[Ocram]

JoePa is what, 84 years old? Not charged with any crime... why wouldn't he write a deathbed autobiography that told his side of all this? I have to think he won't go to the grave keeping all the details to which he was privy, a secret. Well, unless the autobiography would paint him in a really poor light, I suppose. Just a thought. And if JoePa were to write a book, I would be most interested to see where the proceeds go... to his family, or back to PSU or to some victims' fund.

you know who else wrote a book?

No, I haven't heard anything about a book. Who?

Mike McQueary- he was 22 when he wrote it

Who?

the janitor

The same janitor that wrote that 23-page speech for the press conference we're still waiting for to start?

In Colorado?

 

[CrossEyed]

I am beginning to wonder just how many people actively did nothing in this case. I heard on the radio today that incidents in 1998 were reported to the campus police, the local authorities, the state police, and Children & Protective Services and STILL nothing really went anywhere and it got swept under the rug. Anyone playing the I-didn't-know-anything card is quickly going to have that card revoked.

In 2009, one of the victims made HIS FOURTH COMPLAINT over a 4 year period to Child & Protective Services did anyone act on anything (which led to the grand jury hearing).

Sounds like the entire region was/is under PSU's control. Makes me wonder even more about the Gricar disappearance. State police telling a mom not to talk to reporters, agencies charged with protecting children ignoring an obviously dangerous situation...this whole thing stinks.

You combine the disappearance with the alleged child pimping and it takes on a very different light.

Any more reports regarding the validity of this rumor?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I am beginning to wonder just how many people actively did nothing in this case. I heard on the radio today that incidents in 1998 were reported to the campus police, the local authorities, the state police, and Children & Protective Services and STILL nothing really went anywhere and it got swept under the rug. Anyone playing the I-didn't-know-anything card is quickly going to have that card revoked.In 2009, one of the victims made HIS FOURTH COMPLAINT over a 4 year period to Child & Protective Services did anyone act on anything (which led to the grand jury hearing).

Sounds like the entire region was/is under PSU's control. Makes me wonder even more about the Gricar disappearance. State police telling a mom not to talk to reporters, agencies charged with protecting children ignoring an obviously dangerous situation...this whole thing stinks.

You combine the disappearance with the alleged child pimping and it takes on a very different light.

That story seems a bit hollywood though. Nothing would surprise me at this point, but I'm not ready to start giving credence to something reported by Mark Madden like this.

 

[Wadsworth]

I am beginning to wonder just how many people actively did nothing in this case. I heard on the radio today that incidents in 1998 were reported to the campus police, the local authorities, the state police, and Children & Protective Services and STILL nothing really went anywhere and it got swept under the rug. Anyone playing the I-didn't-know-anything card is quickly going to have that card revoked.

In 2009, one of the victims made HIS FOURTH COMPLAINT over a 4 year period to Child & Protective Services did anyone act on anything (which led to the grand jury hearing).

You'd almost think that the entire power structure of that school and community was overly concerned about the reputation of the school and football program and not so concerned about a grown man raping young disadvantaged boys.

I admire the courage it took for somebody to finally bring this indictment

Why did it take a grand jury investigation to arrest a child molester that had been caught multiple times?

 

[CrossEyed]

I am beginning to wonder just how many people actively did nothing in this case. I heard on the radio today that incidents in 1998 were reported to the campus police, the local authorities, the state police, and Children & Protective Services and STILL nothing really went anywhere and it got swept under the rug. Anyone playing the I-didn't-know-anything card is quickly going to have that card revoked.In 2009, one of the victims made HIS FOURTH COMPLAINT over a 4 year period to Child & Protective Services did anyone act on anything (which led to the grand jury hearing).

Sounds like the entire region was/is under PSU's control. Makes me wonder even more about the Gricar disappearance. State police telling a mom not to talk to reporters, agencies charged with protecting children ignoring an obviously dangerous situation...this whole thing stinks.

You combine the disappearance with the alleged child pimping and it takes on a very different light.

That story seems a bit hollywood though. Nothing would surprise me at this point, but I'm not ready to start giving credence to something reported by Mark Madden like this.

Madden wasn't the first guy to report it, he just was the first to talk about it on the air. The first reporting of it was by tweet @SPORTSbyBROOKS.

 

[Ocram]

I still wish I knew why it took 3 years to fully investigate and leave him free to continue his predatory habits in the meantime.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Has the NCAA ever disciplined a program for transgressions that didn't enhance its competitiveness?

Driving Rudy Archer to his junior college classes after he flunked out of Maryland gave them a competitive advantage? I think that is roughly analogous to what is happening here. The NCAA could not punish Maryland for the atmosphere that existed that helped allow the Len Bias overdose, so it waited until it could drop the hammer and that was the recruiting violation that the over his head Bob Wade allowed to happen.

I've always thought of NCAA violations as stuff that would not be a big deal if it was the pros. Pay someone? That's a pro thing. Give out benefits, etc., that makes it more professional. The goal of the NCAA is to preserve amateurism.To me, what happened here is outside of the NCAA. This could have easily been the Kansas City Chiefs instead of Penn State. This had little to do with amateurism, but rather the powerful preying on the weak.That said, who knows. I wouldn't be surprised if the NCAA or Penn State comes down with penalties. My guess is they don't come down with anything, because almost 'anything' would be inadequate. The headline "NCAA docks Penn State 30 scholarships over 4 years for child rape" would make the NCAA look absurd. No sanction, except the death penalty, could be anything close to enough. That's why I think they just say "we'll let the police deal with it."

 

[NCCommish]

I am beginning to wonder just how many people actively did nothing in this case. I heard on the radio today that incidents in 1998 were reported to the campus police, the local authorities, the state police, and Children & Protective Services and STILL nothing really went anywhere and it got swept under the rug. Anyone playing the I-didn't-know-anything card is quickly going to have that card revoked.

In 2009, one of the victims made HIS FOURTH COMPLAINT over a 4 year period to Child & Protective Services did anyone act on anything (which led to the grand jury hearing).

Sounds like the entire region was/is under PSU's control. Makes me wonder even more about the Gricar disappearance. State police telling a mom not to talk to reporters, agencies charged with protecting children ignoring an obviously dangerous situation...this whole thing stinks.

You combine the disappearance with the alleged child pimping and it takes on a very different light.

Any more reports regarding the validity of this rumor?

It's still out there but no more evidence brought to light yet.

 

[roadkill1292]

Has the NCAA ever disciplined a program for transgressions that didn't enhance its competitiveness?

Driving Rudy Archer to his junior college classes after he flunked out of Maryland gave them a competitive advantage? I think that is roughly analogous to what is happening here. The NCAA could not punish Maryland for the atmosphere that existed that helped allow the Len Bias overdose, so it waited until it could drop the hammer and that was the recruiting violation that the over his head Bob Wade allowed to happen.

I've always thought of NCAA violations as stuff that would not be a big deal if it was the pros. Pay someone? That's a pro thing. Give out benefits, etc., that makes it more professional. The goal of the NCAA is to preserve amateurism.To me, what happened here is outside of the NCAA. This could have easily been the Kansas City Chiefs instead of Penn State. This had little to do with amateurism, but rather the powerful preying on the weak.That said, who knows. I wouldn't be surprised if the NCAA or Penn State comes down with penalties. My guess is they don't come down with anything, because almost 'anything' would be inadequate. The headline "NCAA docks Penn State 30 scholarships over 4 years for child rape" would make the NCAA look absurd. No sanction, except the death penalty, could be anything close to enough. That's why I think they just say "we'll let the police deal with it."

We could debate that "The goal of the NCAA is to preserve amateurism" but that's probably best saved for another thread.

 

[culdeus]

I am beginning to wonder just how many people actively did nothing in this case. I heard on the radio today that incidents in 1998 were reported to the campus police, the local authorities, the state police, and Children & Protective Services and STILL nothing really went anywhere and it got swept under the rug. Anyone playing the I-didn't-know-anything card is quickly going to have that card revoked.

In 2009, one of the victims made HIS FOURTH COMPLAINT over a 4 year period to Child & Protective Services did anyone act on anything (which led to the grand jury hearing).

You'd almost think that the entire power structure of that school and community was overly concerned about the reputation of the school and football program and not so concerned about a grown man raping young disadvantaged boys.

I admire the courage it took for somebody to finally bring this indictment

Why did it take a grand jury investigation to arrest a child molester that had been caught multiple times?

Because the DA didn't want to end up face down in a swamp down?

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

I am beginning to wonder just how many people actively did nothing in this case. I heard on the radio today that incidents in 1998 were reported to the campus police, the local authorities, the state police, and Children & Protective Services and STILL nothing really went anywhere and it got swept under the rug. Anyone playing the I-didn't-know-anything card is quickly going to have that card revoked.

In 2009, one of the victims made HIS FOURTH COMPLAINT over a 4 year period to Child & Protective Services did anyone act on anything (which led to the grand jury hearing).

You'd almost think that the entire power structure of that school and community was overly concerned about the reputation of the school and football program and not so concerned about a grown man raping young disadvantaged boys.

I admire the courage it took for somebody to finally bring this indictment

Why did it take a grand jury investigation to arrest a child molester that had been caught multiple times?

Because the DA didn't want to end up face down in a swamp down?

Paterno needed a few more W's

 

[ArbyMelt]

I am beginning to wonder just how many people actively did nothing in this case. I heard on the radio today that incidents in 1998 were reported to the campus police, the local authorities, the state police, and Children & Protective Services and STILL nothing really went anywhere and it got swept under the rug. Anyone playing the I-didn't-know-anything card is quickly going to have that card revoked.

In 2009, one of the victims made HIS FOURTH COMPLAINT over a 4 year period to Child & Protective Services did anyone act on anything (which led to the grand jury hearing).

Sounds like the entire region was/is under PSU's control. Makes me wonder even more about the Gricar disappearance. State police telling a mom not to talk to reporters, agencies charged with protecting children ignoring an obviously dangerous situation...this whole thing stinks.

You combine the disappearance with the alleged child pimping and it takes on a very different light.

Any more reports regarding the validity of this rumor?

It's still out there but no more evidence brought to light yet.

And interesting that the authorities have not refuted the rumor. You would think if this kind of rumor was totally baseless, they would come out and kill it right away.

 

[mad sweeney]

Why is Sea Bass so upset?

Because everyone else, who've only read the GJ report, listened to JP's own words and looked at the known facts of the case, aren't being as "objective" as a guy whose family has apparently been very close for a long time to the Paternos. Clearly, his closeness to the situation allows him to be more objective.

 

[omally]

Why is Sea Bass so upset?

Because everyone else, who've only read the GJ report, listened to JP's own words and looked at the known facts of the case, aren't being as "objective" as a guy whose family has apparently been very close for a long time to the Paternos. Clearly, his closeness to the situation allows him to be more objective.

People on here just don't know when to back off or care to do so.

 

[CrossEyed]

And interesting that the authorities have not refuted the rumor. You would think if this kind of rumor was totally baseless, they would come out and kill it right away.

Maybe, maybe not. It's not like it's been discussed much in the mainstream media. I haven't seen authorities concern themselves with internet rumors every time they come up.

 

[mad sweeney]

Why is Sea Bass so upset?

Because everyone else, who've only read the GJ report, listened to JP's own words and looked at the known facts of the case, aren't being as "objective" as a guy whose family has apparently been very close for a long time to the Paternos. Clearly, his closeness to the situation allows him to be more objective.

People on here just don't know when to back off or care to do so.

I don't think I said anything to SB at all the entire thread, but he was clearly talking about me in his post as I fit his description. If he wants to speak that way of me, I have the "right" to fire back.

 

[Monsieur Meursault]

Why is Sea Bass so upset?

Because everyone else, who've only read the GJ report, listened to JP's own words and looked at the known facts of the case, aren't being as "objective" as a guy whose family has apparently been very close for a long time to the Paternos. Clearly, his closeness to the situation allows him to be more objective.

People on here just don't know when to back off or care to do so.

I don't think I said anything to SB at all the entire thread, but he was clearly talking about me in his post as I fit his description. If he want's to speak that way of me, I have the "right" to fire back.

KICK HIS ### MAD SWEENEY!!!!1!!11!!!1!

 

[Wadsworth]

Why is Sea Bass so upset?

Because everyone else, who've only read the GJ report, listened to JP's own words and looked at the known facts of the case, aren't being as "objective" as a guy whose family has apparently been very close for a long time to the Paternos. Clearly, his closeness to the situation allows him to be more objective.

People on here just don't know when to back off or care to do so.

It is hard for me to expect people to back off in a situation like this where terrible crimes were committed because certain people just decided to back off. I think for some people they are intentionally not backing off because they are disgusted by the fact that many young boys were raped because Joe Paterno and others decided not to upset the bees nest. So even if they are just upsetting the bees nest on a forum it at least makes them feel a little better no know no everyone decides to look the other way.

 

[tri-man 47]

That said, who knows. I wouldn't be surprised if the NCAA or Penn State comes down with penalties. My guess is they don't come down with anything, because almost 'anything' would be inadequate. The headline "NCAA docks Penn State 30 scholarships over 4 years for child rape" would make the NCAA look absurd. No sanction, except the death penalty, could be anything close to enough. That's why I think they just say "we'll let the police deal with it."

Maybe the NCAA takes the approach of releasing the football players from their scholarship obligations ...let them transfer out. And really, they could open the offer to any scholarship athlete who feels affected by the events at the school - other athletes might not want to use the facilities, knowing what had been going on there (and going on without proper reporting) for many years. This would not be a formal sanction, but it would affect the school and be the right thing to do for the athletes.

 

[Joe Summer]

Apologies if this has been posted before:

Who knew about Sandusky?

- Mike McQueary may have run away when he saw Sandusky raping a little boy, but he apparently didn't hesitate to break up a knife fight.

- the wife of Sandusky's adopted son went to court to prevent him from visiting his grandchildren after he was arrested.

- the child services investigator was not given all the details of the 1998 case ("[The detective] didn’t tell me details. All he said was, 'There’s nothing to it — we're going to close our case.' And I said, 'That's fine, I'm going to close my case, too.'")

- the mother of one victim implies that she was pressured not to press charges ("They told me to go home and think about what I wanted to do. They said I needed to think about how that would impact my son if I said something like that. I went home and got [my son] and we came to [Children and Youth Services] immediately.")

 

[dhockster]

Here is my OPINION of what Joe Pateno's motivations were based on the facts as I have read them:

Fact 1: The police investigate sexual misconduct by Jerry Sandusky in 1998. No charges are brought.

Fact 2: In May 1999, Jerry Sandusky is told by Paterno that he will not be the next head coach. This precedes his retirement with benefits.

These two facts indicate to me that Joe knew about the 1998 incident and believed it to be true. He is very loyal with his

assistant coaches, and for him to have a part in dismissing one is a big deal. The Nittany Lions had not declined significantly on the

football field so performance would not have been a reason for his dismissal. If Joe did not know about the allegations or did not believe them, there would be no reason to let Sandusky go. I can only assume that Joe knew about the allegation, believed it, and

basically did not want Sandusky involved with the football program, which is the think that mattered most to Joe. because Jerry was

a long time friend, he wanted to take care of him as best he could, which is why Jerry was able to retire with benefits.

Fact 3: In 2002, McQueary tells Paterno what he saw.

Fact 4: Paterno says he told Curley about McQueary witnessing "Fondling, or some other sexual misconduct" performed by Sandusky.

Fact 5: No investigation is carried out by the Penn State higher-ups.

I think, again, Joe Paterno is doing everything he can to keep this from being associated and damaging to the football program. He reports

the incident to the AD, which in his mind, took it out of his hands, and away from the football program. While I don't think Paterno ever overtly tried to cover-up what happened (as evidenced by his reporting the incident to the AD) I think his presence at the University as a living legend caused everyone else to cover it up.

The ironic part of this is that while Joe was able to protect the program for a period of time, the fact that everything has come out now will

do more harm to the football program then it would have if Joe had gone to the police in 2002 after no investigation was initiated by the AD or President. Additionally, and more important, more kids were subject ot abuse by Sandusky due to Pateno's inactions.

And just for those who are just joining the thread: Jerry Sandusky wrote a book called "Touched", Mike McQueary was 57 in 1998, and this will all

be discussed in a press conference this afternoon from Colorado.

 

[Monsieur Meursault]

At 9:30 p.m. Friday, a candlelight vigil in support of victims of child abuse will be held, an effort organized by students.

There will be speakers, including a victim of sex abuse in another case, performances of the Penn State Blue Band, a marching band, and an a cappella group called Nota. There will be a moment of silence when the clock strikes 10 p.m. at the Old Main building on the Penn State campus.

Are these really necessary?And on a side note...

I cannot think of any reason to let my 10 year old son sleep over at the home of a 60 year old man who is not blood-related unsupervised. Why do people do this?

 

[Chase Stuart]

Apologies if this has been posted before:

Who knew about Sandusky?

- Mike McQueary may have run away when he saw Sandusky raping a little boy, but he apparently didn't hesitate to break up a knife fight.

- the wife of Sandusky's adopted son went to court to prevent him from visiting his grandchildren after he was arrested.

- the child services investigator was not given all the details of the 1998 case ("[The detective] didn’t tell me details. All he said was, 'There’s nothing to it — we're going to close our case.' And I said, 'That's fine, I'm going to close my case, too.'")

- the mother of one victim implies that she was pressured not to press charges ("They told me to go home and think about what I wanted to do. They said I needed to think about how that would impact my son if I said something like that. I went home and got [my son] and we came to [Children and Youth Services] immediately.")

That, along with this: http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/penn_state_child_sex-abuse_sca.html

In 1998, a boy who was 12 at the time told police that Sandusky had showered with him in the Penn State football locker room during a tour. The boy claimed Sandusky assaulted him during the shower.

During our own investigation, years later, the mother told us that she had been specifically instructed by state police not to speak with reporters.

No charges were filed against Sandusky in 1998. With the mother cowed into silence, the incident remained buried.

Absolutely sicken me. This is reprehensible.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Why Joe Paterno Didn't Call the Police

article doesn't really focus on Paterno so not sure why they went with this title, but touches on some interesting points.

 

[Chaz McNulty]

Paterno is no better, or worse, than the Catholic Bishops that covered up the child rapes that were being done by Catholic Priests.

Both Paterno and the Bishops have done a world of great things in their lives and touched many people. But all these good things are trumped by inaction in the face of horrid child molestation.

Paterno will be defined by this and rightfully so. You are allowed to make mistakes in life and most of the time you can overcome and learn from them. But there's no recovering from a mistake, or innaction, of this magnitude. It blows my mind that there were actually 2 or 3 people that allowed this to perpetuate.

 

[Monsieur Meursault]

Paterno is no better, or worse, than the Catholic Bishops that covered up the child rapes that were being done by Catholic Priests.

Both Paterno and the Bishops have done a world of great things in their lives and touched many people. But all these good things are trumped by inaction in the face of horrid child molestation.

Paterno will be defined by this and rightfully so. You are allowed to make mistakes in life and most of the time you can overcome and learn from them. But there's no recovering from a mistake, or innaction, of this magnitude. It blows my mind that there were actually 2 or 3 people that allowed this to perpetuate.

[beavis]You said touched.[/butthead]

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Why Joe Paterno Didn't Call the Police

article doesn't really focus on Paterno so not sure why they went with this title, but touches on some interesting points.

Interesting read. Makes more sense than massive intentional cover-up conspiracies.Still wrong and culpable, but I can wrap my head around this scenario far more easily than the other.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Paterno is no better, or worse, than the Catholic Bishops that covered up the child rapes that were being done by Catholic Priests.

Both Paterno and the Bishops have done a world of great things in their lives and touched many people. But all these good things are trumped by inaction in the face of horrid child molestation.

Paterno will be defined by this and rightfully so. You are allowed to make mistakes in life and most of the time you can overcome and learn from them. But there's no recovering from a mistake, or innaction, of this magnitude. It blows my mind that there were actually 2 or 3 people that allowed this to perpetuate.

[beavis]You said touched.[/butthead]

Man, it would be really ironic if somebody found some articles or a book where Sandusky of all people used terms like that.

 

[Parrothead]

Paterno is no better, or worse, than the Catholic Bishops that covered up the child rapes that were being done by Catholic Priests.

Both Paterno and the Bishops have done a world of great things in their lives and touched many people. But all these good things are trumped by inaction in the face of horrid child molestation.

Paterno will be defined by this and rightfully so. You are allowed to make mistakes in life and most of the time you can overcome and learn from them. But there's no recovering from a mistake, or innaction, of this magnitude. It blows my mind that there were actually 2 or 3 people that allowed this to perpetuate.

[beavis]You said touched.[/butthead]

Man, it would be really ironic if somebody found some articles or a book where Sandusky of all people used terms like that.

it would be like rain on your wedding day