Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (2 Viewers)

[mad sweeney]

I'm going to read the whole thing eventually, but can't right now. What does it say about the coward McQueary? The summary lambasts the Big 4, but leaves the coward McQueary out of the condemnation list. As far as I'm concerned, he's reprehensible in this issue as well for his role in keeping the status quo (other than of course him being promoted through the ranks).

 

[JZilla]

At the risk of being accused of child rape... what is actually accomplished by dismantling the football program? More specifically, who is that punishing at this point?

 

[culdeus]

Patiently awaiting the spin from the Paterno family.

 

[Rayderr]

Penn State deserves the Death Penalty.

I never thought the day would ever come where I typed this, but I agree with you. I've stayed away from this thread because this whole is sickening. I get that killing the football program would injur people that were completely innocent of what happened here, but frankly, so what. Playing college football is not a right under any definition of the word. Nor is it something that should be measured and weighed against what happened to the victims of Sandusky.There needs to be a message to all these high profile programs that in the end, you are not more important than the rule of law and common decency. For all the nonsense the NCAA pulls with its moronic rules I would applaud them if they shut this program down for a year as a penalty and would be ok with it being more than a year.

I think the easiest way around the "hurting innocent people" is to just let all the football players transfer and be eligible to play (note: I really have no idea what the NCAA's rules are for transferring players.)

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Penn State deserves the Death Penalty.

I never thought the day would ever come where I typed this, but I agree with you. I've stayed away from this thread because this whole is sickening. I get that killing the football program would injur people that were completely innocent of what happened here, but frankly, so what. Playing college football is not a right under any definition of the word. Nor is it something that should be measured and weighed against what happened to the victims of Sandusky.There needs to be a message to all these high profile programs that in the end, you are not more important than the rule of law and common decency. For all the nonsense the NCAA pulls with its moronic rules I would applaud them if they shut this program down for a year as a penalty and would be ok with it being more than a year.

Why is criminal prosecution of the people involved not sufficient for this? It's not every day that an AD and a university President go to prison for stuff they did on the job.

 

[culdeus]

Penn State deserves the Death Penalty.

I never thought the day would ever come where I typed this, but I agree with you. I've stayed away from this thread because this whole is sickening. I get that killing the football program would injur people that were completely innocent of what happened here, but frankly, so what. Playing college football is not a right under any definition of the word. Nor is it something that should be measured and weighed against what happened to the victims of Sandusky.There needs to be a message to all these high profile programs that in the end, you are not more important than the rule of law and common decency. For all the nonsense the NCAA pulls with its moronic rules I would applaud them if they shut this program down for a year as a penalty and would be ok with it being more than a year.

I think the easiest way around the "hurting innocent people" is to just let all the football players transfer and be eligible to play (note: I really have no idea what the NCAA's rules are for transferring players.)

I'm pretty sure NCAA already offered waivers on transfer time for current PSU players. Maybe I'm imagining this. It is what they did for SMU players.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Patiently awaiting the spin from the Paterno family.

We are in the process of reviewing the Freeh report and will need some time before we can comment in depth on its findings and conclusions. From the moment this crisis broke, Joe Paterno supported a comprehensive, fair investigation. He always believed, as we do, that the full truth should be uncovered.

From what we have been able to assess at this time, it appears that after reviewing 3 million documents and conducting more than 400 interviews, the underlying facts as summarized in the report are almost entirely consistent with what we understood them to be. The 1998 incident was reported to law enforcement and investigated. Joe Paterno reported what he was told about the 2001 incident to Penn State authorities and he believed it would be fully investigated. The investigation also confirmed that Sandusky’s retirement in 1999 was unrelated to these events.

One great risk in this situation is a replaying of events from the last 15 years or so in a way that makes it look obvious what everyone must have known and should have done. The idea that any sane, responsible adult would knowingly cover up for a child predator is impossible to accept. The far more realistic conclusion is that many people didn’t fully understand what was happening and underestimated or misinterpreted events. Sandusky was a great deceiver. He fooled everyone – law enforcement, his family, coaches, players, neighbors, University officials, and everyone at Second Mile.

Joe Paterno wasn’t perfect. He made mistakes and he regretted them. He is still the only leader to step forward and say that with the benefit of hindsight he wished he had done more. To think, however, that he would have protected Jerry Sandusky to avoid bad publicity is simply not realistic. If Joe Paterno had understood what Sandusky was, a fear of bad publicity would not have factored into his actions.

We appreciate the effort that was put into this investigation. The issue we have with some of the conclusions is that they represent a judgment on motives and intentions and we think this is impossible. We have said from the beginning that Joe Paterno did not know Jerry Sandusky was a child predator. Moreover, Joe Paterno never interfered with any investigation. He immediately and accurately reported the incident he was told about in 2001.

It can be argued that Joe Paterno should have gone further. He should have pushed his superiors to see that they were doing their jobs. We accept this criticism. At the same time, Joe Paterno and everyone else knew that Sandusky had been repeatedly investigated by authorities who approved his multiple adoptions and foster children. Joe Paterno mistakenly believed that investigators, law enforcement officials, University leaders and others would properly and fully investigate any issue and proceed as the facts dictated.

This didn’t happen and everyone shares the responsibility.

 

[NCCommish]

I agree with FatGuy with respect to shutting down the football program. All that accomplishes is punishing a bunch of people who didn't have anything to do with this, creating a second group of victims. I agree that it's important to send a message about not letting the football program take priority over stopping child molestation, but the way to send that message is to send Curley and Spanier to prison, and to remove Joe Paterno's name from the Penn State campus.

This seems to make the most sense to me.

 

[Rayderr]

At the risk of being accused of child rape... what is actually accomplished by dismantling the football program? More specifically, who is that punishing at this point?

Sends out a pretty ####ing clear message to the other programs that if you try to cover something like this up, we will destroy your football program. So don't do it, and get a good checks and balances system in place.

 

[JZilla]

I'm going to read the whole thing eventually, but can't right now. What does it say about the coward McQueary? The summary lambasts the Big 4, but leaves the coward McQueary out of the condemnation list. As far as I'm concerned, he's reprehensible in this issue as well for his role in keeping the status quo (other than of course him being promoted through the ranks).

At first glance, it doesn't look like anything newI think the purpose of the report is to reveal facts, not to dispense moral judgment, and the facts on the coward McQueary have pretty much been out there the whole time

 

[JZilla]

At the risk of being accused of child rape... what is actually accomplished by dismantling the football program? More specifically, who is that punishing at this point?

Sends out a pretty ####ing clear message to the other programs that if you try to cover something like this up, we will destroy your football program. So don't do it, and get a good checks and balances system in place.

OK, I see where you're coming from

 

[TexanFan02]

Patiently awaiting the spin from the Paterno family.

We are in the process of reviewing the Freeh report and will need some time before we can comment in depth on its findings and conclusions. From the moment this crisis broke, Joe Paterno supported a comprehensive, fair investigation. He always believed, as we do, that the full truth should be uncovered.

From what we have been able to assess at this time, it appears that after reviewing 3 million documents and conducting more than 400 interviews, the underlying facts as summarized in the report are almost entirely consistent with what we understood them to be. The 1998 incident was reported to law enforcement and investigated. Joe Paterno reported what he was told about the 2001 incident to Penn State authorities and he believed it would be fully investigated. The investigation also confirmed that Sandusky’s retirement in 1999 was unrelated to these events.

One great risk in this situation is a replaying of events from the last 15 years or so in a way that makes it look obvious what everyone must have known and should have done. The idea that any sane, responsible adult would knowingly cover up for a child predator is impossible to accept. The far more realistic conclusion is that many people didn’t fully understand what was happening and underestimated or misinterpreted events. Sandusky was a great deceiver. He fooled everyone – law enforcement, his family, coaches, players, neighbors, University officials, and everyone at Second Mile.

Joe Paterno wasn’t perfect. He made mistakes and he regretted them. He is still the only leader to step forward and say that with the benefit of hindsight he wished he had done more. To think, however, that he would have protected Jerry Sandusky to avoid bad publicity is simply not realistic. If Joe Paterno had understood what Sandusky was, a fear of bad publicity would not have factored into his actions.

We appreciate the effort that was put into this investigation. The issue we have with some of the conclusions is that they represent a judgment on motives and intentions and we think this is impossible. We have said from the beginning that Joe Paterno did not know Jerry Sandusky was a child predator. Moreover, Joe Paterno never interfered with any investigation. He immediately and accurately reported the incident he was told about in 2001.

It can be argued that Joe Paterno should have gone further. He should have pushed his superiors to see that they were doing their jobs. We accept this criticism. At the same time, Joe Paterno and everyone else knew that Sandusky had been repeatedly investigated by authorities who approved his multiple adoptions and foster children. Joe Paterno mistakenly believed that investigators, law enforcement officials, University leaders and others would properly and fully investigate any issue and proceed as the facts dictated.

This didn’t happen and everyone shares the responsibility.

Sounds reasonable to me.

 

[Wrighteous Ray]

I'm going to read the whole thing eventually, but can't right now. What does it say about the coward McQueary? The summary lambasts the Big 4, but leaves the coward McQueary out of the condemnation list. As far as I'm concerned, he's reprehensible in this issue as well for his role in keeping the status quo (other than of course him being promoted through the ranks).

McQueary wasn't exactly a powerful guy like the others. He saw the shower rape, told Paterno and Curley about it, and apparently thought they would deal with it appropriately. Probably not the best judgment but he doesn't appear to have been complicit in the coverup.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I know this is a football board and the scandal occurred inside the football program, but at its heart, this story isn't really about football. It's about a group of administrators who covered up criminal and morally reprehensible activity by a highly-valued employee. If we changed the particulars, I don't think anybody would argue in favor of dismantling the entire organization.

For example, suppose a nationally-recognized chemistry professor had been molesting kids who attended summer chemistry camp. The chair of the chemistry department knew, the dean of the appropriate college knew, and the president knew, but they all covered it up because they wanted to keep this professor around because of all the grant money, publications, and prestige he brought to the program. Then the scandal comes to light. Would anybody argue that the university should close down its chemistry department altogether?

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Penn State deserves the Death Penalty.

I never thought the day would ever come where I typed this, but I agree with you. I've stayed away from this thread because this whole is sickening. I get that killing the football program would injur people that were completely innocent of what happened here, but frankly, so what. Playing college football is not a right under any definition of the word. Nor is it something that should be measured and weighed against what happened to the victims of Sandusky.There needs to be a message to all these high profile programs that in the end, you are not more important than the rule of law and common decency. For all the nonsense the NCAA pulls with its moronic rules I would applaud them if they shut this program down for a year as a penalty and would be ok with it being more than a year.

Why is criminal prosecution of the people involved not sufficient for this? It's not every day that an AD and a university President go to prison for stuff they did on the job.

It could be part vengence. I'm not above that. What would have been the problem with the same happening at SMU when they got the death penalty instead? Sometimes, the totality of the circumstances leads to a need for greater punishment.

 

[Todd Andrews]

Patiently awaiting the spin from the Paterno family.

We are in the process of reviewing the Freeh report and will need some time before we can comment in depth on its findings and conclusions. From the moment this crisis broke, Joe Paterno supported a comprehensive, fair investigation. He always believed, as we do, that the full truth should be uncovered.

From what we have been able to assess at this time, it appears that after reviewing 3 million documents and conducting more than 400 interviews, the underlying facts as summarized in the report are almost entirely consistent with what we understood them to be. The 1998 incident was reported to law enforcement and investigated. Joe Paterno reported what he was told about the 2001 incident to Penn State authorities and he believed it would be fully investigated. The investigation also confirmed that Sandusky’s retirement in 1999 was unrelated to these events.

One great risk in this situation is a replaying of events from the last 15 years or so in a way that makes it look obvious what everyone must have known and should have done. The idea that any sane, responsible adult would knowingly cover up for a child predator is impossible to accept. The far more realistic conclusion is that many people didn’t fully understand what was happening and underestimated or misinterpreted events. Sandusky was a great deceiver. He fooled everyone – law enforcement, his family, coaches, players, neighbors, University officials, and everyone at Second Mile.

Joe Paterno wasn’t perfect. He made mistakes and he regretted them. He is still the only leader to step forward and say that with the benefit of hindsight he wished he had done more. To think, however, that he would have protected Jerry Sandusky to avoid bad publicity is simply not realistic. If Joe Paterno had understood what Sandusky was, a fear of bad publicity would not have factored into his actions.

We appreciate the effort that was put into this investigation. The issue we have with some of the conclusions is that they represent a judgment on motives and intentions and we think this is impossible. We have said from the beginning that Joe Paterno did not know Jerry Sandusky was a child predator. Moreover, Joe Paterno never interfered with any investigation. He immediately and accurately reported the incident he was told about in 2001.

It can be argued that Joe Paterno should have gone further. He should have pushed his superiors to see that they were doing their jobs. We accept this criticism. At the same time, Joe Paterno and everyone else knew that Sandusky had been repeatedly investigated by authorities who approved his multiple adoptions and foster children. Joe Paterno mistakenly believed that investigators, law enforcement officials, University leaders and others would properly and fully investigate any issue and proceed as the facts dictated.

This didn’t happen and everyone shares the responsibility.

Disgusting and self serving. They completely gloss over Paterno's full knowledge of the 1998 incident and the context that creates for the 2001 incident.

 

[Wrighteous Ray]

nationally-recognized chemistry professor

 

[TexanFan02]

nationally-recognized chemistry professor

Walter White.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Patiently awaiting the spin from the Paterno family.

We are in the process of reviewing the Freeh report and will need some time before we can comment in depth on its findings and conclusions. From the moment this crisis broke, Joe Paterno supported a comprehensive, fair investigation. He always believed, as we do, that the full truth should be uncovered.

From what we have been able to assess at this time, it appears that after reviewing 3 million documents and conducting more than 400 interviews, the underlying facts as summarized in the report are almost entirely consistent with what we understood them to be. The 1998 incident was reported to law enforcement and investigated. Joe Paterno reported what he was told about the 2001 incident to Penn State authorities and he believed it would be fully investigated. The investigation also confirmed that Sandusky’s retirement in 1999 was unrelated to these events.

One great risk in this situation is a replaying of events from the last 15 years or so in a way that makes it look obvious what everyone must have known and should have done. The idea that any sane, responsible adult would knowingly cover up for a child predator is impossible to accept. The far more realistic conclusion is that many people didn’t fully understand what was happening and underestimated or misinterpreted events. Sandusky was a great deceiver. He fooled everyone – law enforcement, his family, coaches, players, neighbors, University officials, and everyone at Second Mile.

Joe Paterno wasn’t perfect. He made mistakes and he regretted them. He is still the only leader to step forward and say that with the benefit of hindsight he wished he had done more. To think, however, that he would have protected Jerry Sandusky to avoid bad publicity is simply not realistic. If Joe Paterno had understood what Sandusky was, a fear of bad publicity would not have factored into his actions.

We appreciate the effort that was put into this investigation. The issue we have with some of the conclusions is that they represent a judgment on motives and intentions and we think this is impossible. We have said from the beginning that Joe Paterno did not know Jerry Sandusky was a child predator. Moreover, Joe Paterno never interfered with any investigation. He immediately and accurately reported the incident he was told about in 2001.

It can be argued that Joe Paterno should have gone further. He should have pushed his superiors to see that they were doing their jobs. We accept this criticism. At the same time, Joe Paterno and everyone else knew that Sandusky had been repeatedly investigated by authorities who approved his multiple adoptions and foster children. Joe Paterno mistakenly believed that investigators, law enforcement officials, University leaders and others would properly and fully investigate any issue and proceed as the facts dictated.

This didn’t happen and everyone shares the responsibility.

Sounds reasonable to me.

Then you're not reasonable. The guy lied to a grand jury about knowing about the '98 incident. How is that not interfering with an investigation?

 

[Yankee23Fan]

I know this is a football board and the scandal occurred inside the football program, but at its heart, this story isn't really about football. It's about a group of administrators who covered up criminal and morally reprehensible activity by a highly-valued employee.

High valued, specifically because of the football program and what it meant to the university. It should really be clear that whether or not it was on paper or in a policy manual, that Joe Paterno ran that university through the auspices of his bigger than life reputation and standing in the community, both in Happy Valley and in college football in general. The reasons this all happened was because of the football program, not ancillary to.If not for Paterno's legend and what it made the football program, I'm willing to bet this would have never gotten as far as it did.

 

[Dragons]

I'm going to read the whole thing eventually, but can't right now. What does it say about the coward McQueary? The summary lambasts the Big 4, but leaves the coward McQueary out of the condemnation list. As far as I'm concerned, he's reprehensible in this issue as well for his role in keeping the status quo (other than of course him being promoted through the ranks).

McQueary wasn't exactly a powerful guy like the others. He saw the shower rape, told Paterno and Curley about it, and apparently thought they would deal with it appropriately. Probably not the best judgment but he doesn't appear to have been complicit in the coverup.

(Except for not calling police immediately, instead of his father) Up to that point, I agree McQueary shares none of the blame. But I question his decision to continue to be associated with the program after they swept it under the rug.

 

[TexanFan02]

Patiently awaiting the spin from the Paterno family.

We are in the process of reviewing the Freeh report and will need some time before we can comment in depth on its findings and conclusions. From the moment this crisis broke, Joe Paterno supported a comprehensive, fair investigation. He always believed, as we do, that the full truth should be uncovered.

From what we have been able to assess at this time, it appears that after reviewing 3 million documents and conducting more than 400 interviews, the underlying facts as summarized in the report are almost entirely consistent with what we understood them to be. The 1998 incident was reported to law enforcement and investigated. Joe Paterno reported what he was told about the 2001 incident to Penn State authorities and he believed it would be fully investigated. The investigation also confirmed that Sandusky’s retirement in 1999 was unrelated to these events.

One great risk in this situation is a replaying of events from the last 15 years or so in a way that makes it look obvious what everyone must have known and should have done. The idea that any sane, responsible adult would knowingly cover up for a child predator is impossible to accept. The far more realistic conclusion is that many people didn’t fully understand what was happening and underestimated or misinterpreted events. Sandusky was a great deceiver. He fooled everyone – law enforcement, his family, coaches, players, neighbors, University officials, and everyone at Second Mile.

Joe Paterno wasn’t perfect. He made mistakes and he regretted them. He is still the only leader to step forward and say that with the benefit of hindsight he wished he had done more. To think, however, that he would have protected Jerry Sandusky to avoid bad publicity is simply not realistic. If Joe Paterno had understood what Sandusky was, a fear of bad publicity would not have factored into his actions.

We appreciate the effort that was put into this investigation. The issue we have with some of the conclusions is that they represent a judgment on motives and intentions and we think this is impossible. We have said from the beginning that Joe Paterno did not know Jerry Sandusky was a child predator. Moreover, Joe Paterno never interfered with any investigation. He immediately and accurately reported the incident he was told about in 2001.

It can be argued that Joe Paterno should have gone further. He should have pushed his superiors to see that they were doing their jobs. We accept this criticism. At the same time, Joe Paterno and everyone else knew that Sandusky had been repeatedly investigated by authorities who approved his multiple adoptions and foster children. Joe Paterno mistakenly believed that investigators, law enforcement officials, University leaders and others would properly and fully investigate any issue and proceed as the facts dictated.

This didn’t happen and everyone shares the responsibility.

Sounds reasonable to me.

Then you're not reasonable. The guy lied to a grand jury about knowing about the '98 incident. How is that not interfering with an investigation?

According to the university police, there was no "incident" in 98.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Penn State deserves the Death Penalty.

I never thought the day would ever come where I typed this, but I agree with you. I've stayed away from this thread because this whole is sickening. I get that killing the football program would injur people that were completely innocent of what happened here, but frankly, so what. Playing college football is not a right under any definition of the word. Nor is it something that should be measured and weighed against what happened to the victims of Sandusky.There needs to be a message to all these high profile programs that in the end, you are not more important than the rule of law and common decency. For all the nonsense the NCAA pulls with its moronic rules I would applaud them if they shut this program down for a year as a penalty and would be ok with it being more than a year.

We were in agreement about the bank loan scandal in which the bank uses forged documents to foreclose on people.We have even agreed on some constitutional items.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Penn State deserves the Death Penalty.

I never thought the day would ever come where I typed this, but I agree with you. I've stayed away from this thread because this whole is sickening. I get that killing the football program would injur people that were completely innocent of what happened here, but frankly, so what. Playing college football is not a right under any definition of the word. Nor is it something that should be measured and weighed against what happened to the victims of Sandusky.There needs to be a message to all these high profile programs that in the end, you are not more important than the rule of law and common decency. For all the nonsense the NCAA pulls with its moronic rules I would applaud them if they shut this program down for a year as a penalty and would be ok with it being more than a year.

We were in agreement about the bank loan scandal in which the bank uses forged documents to foreclose on people.We have even agreed on some constitutional items.

Fair enough. My memory isn't what it used to be.

 

[JZilla]

Well I gotta say boys.. I've found your faux indignation to be a major turnoff throughout this whole thing and I still do, but it's official - you were absolutely right all along.

I'll never trust another old guy again.

 

[Dragons]

And how bad would it have been to expose Sandusky in 1998? It would have been an ugly incident, probably hurt recruiting for a year or two, and then Penn State would have continued on without too much blemish. Paterno's legacy would have been intact.

So not only is this morally reprehensible beyond belief, it was also incredibly stupid and short-sided.

The 1998 investigation did not involve Penn State, other than them being notified and then told there was not enough evidence to press charges by the Pennsylvania AG.

The 1998 assault took place on PSU's campus, and a university police detective was part of the investigation. So yes, I would say that it did involve Penn State.

Shultz, Curley and Spanier also exchanged numerous emails about it at the time, some referencing Paterno, who also apparently knew about it.

What I mean is that this is one incident that was outside their control. The AG decided there wasn't enough evidence to press charges. What are they supposed to believe at that point? How could they have exposed Sandusky?

 

[Todd Andrews]

Patiently awaiting the spin from the Paterno family.

We are in the process of reviewing the Freeh report and will need some time before we can comment in depth on its findings and conclusions. From the moment this crisis broke, Joe Paterno supported a comprehensive, fair investigation. He always believed, as we do, that the full truth should be uncovered.

From what we have been able to assess at this time, it appears that after reviewing 3 million documents and conducting more than 400 interviews, the underlying facts as summarized in the report are almost entirely consistent with what we understood them to be. The 1998 incident was reported to law enforcement and investigated. Joe Paterno reported what he was told about the 2001 incident to Penn State authorities and he believed it would be fully investigated. The investigation also confirmed that Sandusky’s retirement in 1999 was unrelated to these events.

One great risk in this situation is a replaying of events from the last 15 years or so in a way that makes it look obvious what everyone must have known and should have done. The idea that any sane, responsible adult would knowingly cover up for a child predator is impossible to accept. The far more realistic conclusion is that many people didn’t fully understand what was happening and underestimated or misinterpreted events. Sandusky was a great deceiver. He fooled everyone – law enforcement, his family, coaches, players, neighbors, University officials, and everyone at Second Mile.

Joe Paterno wasn’t perfect. He made mistakes and he regretted them. He is still the only leader to step forward and say that with the benefit of hindsight he wished he had done more. To think, however, that he would have protected Jerry Sandusky to avoid bad publicity is simply not realistic. If Joe Paterno had understood what Sandusky was, a fear of bad publicity would not have factored into his actions.

We appreciate the effort that was put into this investigation. The issue we have with some of the conclusions is that they represent a judgment on motives and intentions and we think this is impossible. We have said from the beginning that Joe Paterno did not know Jerry Sandusky was a child predator. Moreover, Joe Paterno never interfered with any investigation. He immediately and accurately reported the incident he was told about in 2001.

It can be argued that Joe Paterno should have gone further. He should have pushed his superiors to see that they were doing their jobs. We accept this criticism. At the same time, Joe Paterno and everyone else knew that Sandusky had been repeatedly investigated by authorities who approved his multiple adoptions and foster children. Joe Paterno mistakenly believed that investigators, law enforcement officials, University leaders and others would properly and fully investigate any issue and proceed as the facts dictated.

This didn’t happen and everyone shares the responsibility.

Sounds reasonable to me.

Then you're not reasonable. The guy lied to a grand jury about knowing about the '98 incident. How is that not interfering with an investigation?

Very important to remember that Paterno lied to the grand jury investigating Sandusky about his knowledge of the 1998 incident. He did that to both protect himself, the University and mostly the football program. The only way to send a real message is to have it impact the football program.And for all you Paterno/child rape enabler apologists who think everyone is just anti-PSU football. I have never given any thought or care before this scandal to Paterno or the PSU football team. I am a strict LSU/SEC fan. This is primarily about the continued rape of children for more than a decade and secondarily about the efforts to cover it up and enable it to protect Paterno, PSU and the PSU football program.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I know this is a football board and the scandal occurred inside the football program, but at its heart, this story isn't really about football. It's about a group of administrators who covered up criminal and morally reprehensible activity by a highly-valued employee. If we changed the particulars, I don't think anybody would argue in favor of dismantling the entire organization.For example, suppose a nationally-recognized chemistry professor had been molesting kids who attended summer chemistry camp. The chair of the chemistry department knew, the dean of the appropriate college knew, and the president knew, but they all covered it up because they wanted to keep this professor around because of all the grant money, publications, and prestige he brought to the program. Then the scandal comes to light. Would anybody argue that the university should close down its chemistry department altogether?

It would appear that a chemistry department is a bit more critical to the ongoing mission of an academic institution. The point here is that football is an extracurricular activity, that is not critical to an academic institution. I can name lots of colleges without football, I'd have a hard time naming one without a chemistry department.

 

[TexanFan02]

Patiently awaiting the spin from the Paterno family.

We are in the process of reviewing the Freeh report and will need some time before we can comment in depth on its findings and conclusions. From the moment this crisis broke, Joe Paterno supported a comprehensive, fair investigation. He always believed, as we do, that the full truth should be uncovered.

From what we have been able to assess at this time, it appears that after reviewing 3 million documents and conducting more than 400 interviews, the underlying facts as summarized in the report are almost entirely consistent with what we understood them to be. The 1998 incident was reported to law enforcement and investigated. Joe Paterno reported what he was told about the 2001 incident to Penn State authorities and he believed it would be fully investigated. The investigation also confirmed that Sandusky’s retirement in 1999 was unrelated to these events.

One great risk in this situation is a replaying of events from the last 15 years or so in a way that makes it look obvious what everyone must have known and should have done. The idea that any sane, responsible adult would knowingly cover up for a child predator is impossible to accept. The far more realistic conclusion is that many people didn’t fully understand what was happening and underestimated or misinterpreted events. Sandusky was a great deceiver. He fooled everyone – law enforcement, his family, coaches, players, neighbors, University officials, and everyone at Second Mile.

Joe Paterno wasn’t perfect. He made mistakes and he regretted them. He is still the only leader to step forward and say that with the benefit of hindsight he wished he had done more. To think, however, that he would have protected Jerry Sandusky to avoid bad publicity is simply not realistic. If Joe Paterno had understood what Sandusky was, a fear of bad publicity would not have factored into his actions.

We appreciate the effort that was put into this investigation. The issue we have with some of the conclusions is that they represent a judgment on motives and intentions and we think this is impossible. We have said from the beginning that Joe Paterno did not know Jerry Sandusky was a child predator. Moreover, Joe Paterno never interfered with any investigation. He immediately and accurately reported the incident he was told about in 2001.

It can be argued that Joe Paterno should have gone further. He should have pushed his superiors to see that they were doing their jobs. We accept this criticism. At the same time, Joe Paterno and everyone else knew that Sandusky had been repeatedly investigated by authorities who approved his multiple adoptions and foster children. Joe Paterno mistakenly believed that investigators, law enforcement officials, University leaders and others would properly and fully investigate any issue and proceed as the facts dictated.

This didn’t happen and everyone shares the responsibility.

Sounds reasonable to me.

Then you're not reasonable. The guy lied to a grand jury about knowing about the '98 incident. How is that not interfering with an investigation?

Very important to remember that Paterno lied to the grand jury investigating Sandusky about his knowledge of the 1998 incident. He did that to both protect himself, the University and mostly the football program. The only way to send a real message is to have it impact the football program.And for all you Paterno/child rape enabler apologists who think everyone is just anti-PSU football. I have never given any thought or care before this scandal to Paterno or the PSU football team. I am a strict LSU/SEC fan. This is primarily about the continued rape of children for more than a decade and secondarily about the efforts to cover it up and enable it to protect Paterno, PSU and the PSU football program.

You really are a peach.

 

[Todd Andrews]

Well I gotta say boys.. I've found your faux indignation to be a major turnoff throughout this whole thing and I still do, but it's official - you were absolutely right all along.I'll never trust another old guy again.

You think people being outraged about child rape and the people who protected the child rapist and enabled him to continue his serial child rape is "faux indignation"?

 

[Limp Ditka]

Patiently awaiting the spin from the Paterno family.

We are in the process of reviewing the Freeh report and will need some time before we can comment in depth on its findings and conclusions. From the moment this crisis broke, Joe Paterno supported a comprehensive, fair investigation. He always believed, as we do, that the full truth should be uncovered.

From what we have been able to assess at this time, it appears that after reviewing 3 million documents and conducting more than 400 interviews, the underlying facts as summarized in the report are almost entirely consistent with what we understood them to be. The 1998 incident was reported to law enforcement and investigated. Joe Paterno reported what he was told about the 2001 incident to Penn State authorities and he believed it would be fully investigated. The investigation also confirmed that Sandusky’s retirement in 1999 was unrelated to these events.

One great risk in this situation is a replaying of events from the last 15 years or so in a way that makes it look obvious what everyone must have known and should have done. The idea that any sane, responsible adult would knowingly cover up for a child predator is impossible to accept. The far more realistic conclusion is that many people didn’t fully understand what was happening and underestimated or misinterpreted events. Sandusky was a great deceiver. He fooled everyone – law enforcement, his family, coaches, players, neighbors, University officials, and everyone at Second Mile.

Joe Paterno wasn’t perfect. He made mistakes and he regretted them. He is still the only leader to step forward and say that with the benefit of hindsight he wished he had done more. To think, however, that he would have protected Jerry Sandusky to avoid bad publicity is simply not realistic. If Joe Paterno had understood what Sandusky was, a fear of bad publicity would not have factored into his actions.

We appreciate the effort that was put into this investigation. The issue we have with some of the conclusions is that they represent a judgment on motives and intentions and we think this is impossible. We have said from the beginning that Joe Paterno did not know Jerry Sandusky was a child predator. Moreover, Joe Paterno never interfered with any investigation. He immediately and accurately reported the incident he was told about in 2001.

It can be argued that Joe Paterno should have gone further. He should have pushed his superiors to see that they were doing their jobs. We accept this criticism. At the same time, Joe Paterno and everyone else knew that Sandusky had been repeatedly investigated by authorities who approved his multiple adoptions and foster children. Joe Paterno mistakenly believed that investigators, law enforcement officials, University leaders and others would properly and fully investigate any issue and proceed as the facts dictated.

This didn’t happen and everyone shares the responsibility.

Sounds reasonable to me.

Then you're not reasonable. The guy lied to a grand jury about knowing about the '98 incident. How is that not interfering with an investigation?

Very important to remember that Paterno lied to the grand jury investigating Sandusky about his knowledge of the 1998 incident. He did that to both protect himself, the University and mostly the football program. The only way to send a real message is to have it impact the football program.And for all you Paterno/child rape enabler apologists who think everyone is just anti-PSU football. I have never given any thought or care before this scandal to Paterno or the PSU football team. I am a strict LSU/SEC fan. This is primarily about the continued rape of children for more than a decade and secondarily about the efforts to cover it up and enable it to protect Paterno, PSU and the PSU football program.

But....but....but.... the University Police....they said..... what about that? Uh?

 

[Todd Andrews]

Patiently awaiting the spin from the Paterno family.

We are in the process of reviewing the Freeh report and will need some time before we can comment in depth on its findings and conclusions. From the moment this crisis broke, Joe Paterno supported a comprehensive, fair investigation. He always believed, as we do, that the full truth should be uncovered.

From what we have been able to assess at this time, it appears that after reviewing 3 million documents and conducting more than 400 interviews, the underlying facts as summarized in the report are almost entirely consistent with what we understood them to be. The 1998 incident was reported to law enforcement and investigated. Joe Paterno reported what he was told about the 2001 incident to Penn State authorities and he believed it would be fully investigated. The investigation also confirmed that Sandusky’s retirement in 1999 was unrelated to these events.

One great risk in this situation is a replaying of events from the last 15 years or so in a way that makes it look obvious what everyone must have known and should have done. The idea that any sane, responsible adult would knowingly cover up for a child predator is impossible to accept. The far more realistic conclusion is that many people didn’t fully understand what was happening and underestimated or misinterpreted events. Sandusky was a great deceiver. He fooled everyone – law enforcement, his family, coaches, players, neighbors, University officials, and everyone at Second Mile.

Joe Paterno wasn’t perfect. He made mistakes and he regretted them. He is still the only leader to step forward and say that with the benefit of hindsight he wished he had done more. To think, however, that he would have protected Jerry Sandusky to avoid bad publicity is simply not realistic. If Joe Paterno had understood what Sandusky was, a fear of bad publicity would not have factored into his actions.

We appreciate the effort that was put into this investigation. The issue we have with some of the conclusions is that they represent a judgment on motives and intentions and we think this is impossible. We have said from the beginning that Joe Paterno did not know Jerry Sandusky was a child predator. Moreover, Joe Paterno never interfered with any investigation. He immediately and accurately reported the incident he was told about in 2001.

It can be argued that Joe Paterno should have gone further. He should have pushed his superiors to see that they were doing their jobs. We accept this criticism. At the same time, Joe Paterno and everyone else knew that Sandusky had been repeatedly investigated by authorities who approved his multiple adoptions and foster children. Joe Paterno mistakenly believed that investigators, law enforcement officials, University leaders and others would properly and fully investigate any issue and proceed as the facts dictated.

This didn’t happen and everyone shares the responsibility.

Sounds reasonable to me.

Then you're not reasonable. The guy lied to a grand jury about knowing about the '98 incident. How is that not interfering with an investigation?

Very important to remember that Paterno lied to the grand jury investigating Sandusky about his knowledge of the 1998 incident. He did that to both protect himself, the University and mostly the football program. The only way to send a real message is to have it impact the football program.And for all you Paterno/child rape enabler apologists who think everyone is just anti-PSU football. I have never given any thought or care before this scandal to Paterno or the PSU football team. I am a strict LSU/SEC fan. This is primarily about the continued rape of children for more than a decade and secondarily about the efforts to cover it up and enable it to protect Paterno, PSU and the PSU football program.

You really are a peach.

In your continued nauseating defense of child rape enabling, you made exactly that point: that the people outraged were PSU haters. You are quite a vile disgusting child rape enabler loving peach yourself.

 

[David Yudkin]

Patiently awaiting the spin from the Paterno family.

We are in the process of reviewing the Freeh report and will need some time before we can comment in depth on its findings and conclusions. From the moment this crisis broke, Joe Paterno supported a comprehensive, fair investigation. He always believed, as we do, that the full truth should be uncovered.

From what we have been able to assess at this time, it appears that after reviewing 3 million documents and conducting more than 400 interviews, the underlying facts as summarized in the report are almost entirely consistent with what we understood them to be. The 1998 incident was reported to law enforcement and investigated. Joe Paterno reported what he was told about the 2001 incident to Penn State authorities and he believed it would be fully investigated. The investigation also confirmed that Sandusky’s retirement in 1999 was unrelated to these events.

One great risk in this situation is a replaying of events from the last 15 years or so in a way that makes it look obvious what everyone must have known and should have done. The idea that any sane, responsible adult would knowingly cover up for a child predator is impossible to accept. The far more realistic conclusion is that many people didn’t fully understand what was happening and underestimated or misinterpreted events. Sandusky was a great deceiver. He fooled everyone – law enforcement, his family, coaches, players, neighbors, University officials, and everyone at Second Mile.

Joe Paterno wasn’t perfect. He made mistakes and he regretted them. He is still the only leader to step forward and say that with the benefit of hindsight he wished he had done more. To think, however, that he would have protected Jerry Sandusky to avoid bad publicity is simply not realistic. If Joe Paterno had understood what Sandusky was, a fear of bad publicity would not have factored into his actions.

We appreciate the effort that was put into this investigation. The issue we have with some of the conclusions is that they represent a judgment on motives and intentions and we think this is impossible. We have said from the beginning that Joe Paterno did not know Jerry Sandusky was a child predator. Moreover, Joe Paterno never interfered with any investigation. He immediately and accurately reported the incident he was told about in 2001.

It can be argued that Joe Paterno should have gone further. He should have pushed his superiors to see that they were doing their jobs. We accept this criticism. At the same time, Joe Paterno and everyone else knew that Sandusky had been repeatedly investigated by authorities who approved his multiple adoptions and foster children. Joe Paterno mistakenly believed that investigators, law enforcement officials, University leaders and others would properly and fully investigate any issue and proceed as the facts dictated.

This didn’t happen and everyone shares the responsibility.

There is so much that people can attack in this, but I will only hit on a couple things . . .

From the moment this crisis broke, Joe Paterno supported a comprehensive, fair investigation.

Apparently at no point in 1998, 2001, or any point thereafter did they find things to be "a crisis." Where was the same willingness to have "a comprehensive, fair investigation" back then?And NOW to say "Joe Paterno mistakenly believed that investigators, law enforcement officials, University leaders and others would properly and fully investigate any issue and proceed as the facts dictated" seems so disingenuous that I can't even believe the family put that out there.

As far as Paterno's legacy goes, I think he can wear both hats: chief architect in building one of the great collegiate football programs of all time . . . and conspirator in contributing to one of the worst acts of ommission and indifference in a long standing child sex abuse scandals.

 

[Wrighteous Ray]

Shultz, Curley and Spanier also exchanged numerous emails about it at the time, some referencing Paterno, who also apparently knew about it.

What I mean is that this is one incident that was outside their control. The AG decided there wasn't enough evidence to press charges. What are they supposed to believe at that point? How could they have exposed Sandusky?

Right, I agree that the 1998 reaction wasn't unreasonable due to the questionable nature of the allegations. If they had actually been convinced that Sandusky was a pedophile, they could certainly have handled his retirement and emeritus status very differently.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

I don't understand ridiculing Paterno's family in this. They're not the ones who covered up the scandal. They're simply trying to defend/come to terms with the despicable actions from their father/husband. I can't imagine how I would react if I found out a close family member was a key conspirator in covering up/enabling years of child molestation.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I know this is a football board and the scandal occurred inside the football program, but at its heart, this story isn't really about football. It's about a group of administrators who covered up criminal and morally reprehensible activity by a highly-valued employee. If we changed the particulars, I don't think anybody would argue in favor of dismantling the entire organization.For example, suppose a nationally-recognized chemistry professor had been molesting kids who attended summer chemistry camp. The chair of the chemistry department knew, the dean of the appropriate college knew, and the president knew, but they all covered it up because they wanted to keep this professor around because of all the grant money, publications, and prestige he brought to the program. Then the scandal comes to light. Would anybody argue that the university should close down its chemistry department altogether?

It would appear that a chemistry department is a bit more critical to the ongoing mission of an academic institution. The point here is that football is an extracurricular activity, that is not critical to an academic institution. I can name lots of colleges without football, I'd have a hard time naming one without a chemistry department.

Yeah, I thought about that while I was typing up my post. I don't think this affects the force of the analogy at all. If you want, just change the chemistry department to a business school, a spanish program, a nursing college, or some other academic unit that not all universities have.

 

[Wrighteous Ray]

I know this is a football board and the scandal occurred inside the football program, but at its heart, this story isn't really about football. It's about a group of administrators who covered up criminal and morally reprehensible activity by a highly-valued employee. If we changed the particulars, I don't think anybody would argue in favor of dismantling the entire organization.For example, suppose a nationally-recognized chemistry professor had been molesting kids who attended summer chemistry camp. The chair of the chemistry department knew, the dean of the appropriate college knew, and the president knew, but they all covered it up because they wanted to keep this professor around because of all the grant money, publications, and prestige he brought to the program. Then the scandal comes to light. Would anybody argue that the university should close down its chemistry department altogether?

It would appear that a chemistry department is a bit more critical to the ongoing mission of an academic institution. The point here is that football is an extracurricular activity, that is not critical to an academic institution. I can name lots of colleges without football, I'd have a hard time naming one without a chemistry department.

The whole comparison between a chemistry department and Penn State football is a huge stretch. There's no comparable institution to big time college football, except maybe basketball at some schools.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Patiently awaiting the spin from the Paterno family.

We are in the process of reviewing the Freeh report and will need some time before we can comment in depth on its findings and conclusions. From the moment this crisis broke, Joe Paterno supported a comprehensive, fair investigation. He always believed, as we do, that the full truth should be uncovered.

From what we have been able to assess at this time, it appears that after reviewing 3 million documents and conducting more than 400 interviews, the underlying facts as summarized in the report are almost entirely consistent with what we understood them to be. The 1998 incident was reported to law enforcement and investigated. Joe Paterno reported what he was told about the 2001 incident to Penn State authorities and he believed it would be fully investigated. The investigation also confirmed that Sandusky’s retirement in 1999 was unrelated to these events.

One great risk in this situation is a replaying of events from the last 15 years or so in a way that makes it look obvious what everyone must have known and should have done. The idea that any sane, responsible adult would knowingly cover up for a child predator is impossible to accept. The far more realistic conclusion is that many people didn’t fully understand what was happening and underestimated or misinterpreted events. Sandusky was a great deceiver. He fooled everyone – law enforcement, his family, coaches, players, neighbors, University officials, and everyone at Second Mile.

Joe Paterno wasn’t perfect. He made mistakes and he regretted them. He is still the only leader to step forward and say that with the benefit of hindsight he wished he had done more. To think, however, that he would have protected Jerry Sandusky to avoid bad publicity is simply not realistic. If Joe Paterno had understood what Sandusky was, a fear of bad publicity would not have factored into his actions.

We appreciate the effort that was put into this investigation. The issue we have with some of the conclusions is that they represent a judgment on motives and intentions and we think this is impossible. We have said from the beginning that Joe Paterno did not know Jerry Sandusky was a child predator. Moreover, Joe Paterno never interfered with any investigation. He immediately and accurately reported the incident he was told about in 2001.

It can be argued that Joe Paterno should have gone further. He should have pushed his superiors to see that they were doing their jobs. We accept this criticism. At the same time, Joe Paterno and everyone else knew that Sandusky had been repeatedly investigated by authorities who approved his multiple adoptions and foster children. Joe Paterno mistakenly believed that investigators, law enforcement officials, University leaders and others would properly and fully investigate any issue and proceed as the facts dictated.

This didn’t happen and everyone shares the responsibility.

There is so much that people can attack in this, but I will only hit on a couple things . . .

From the moment this crisis broke, Joe Paterno supported a comprehensive, fair investigation.

Apparently at no point in 1998, 2001, or any point thereafter did they find things to be "a crisis." Where was the same willingness to have "a comprehensive, fair investigation" back then?And NOW to say "Joe Paterno mistakenly believed that investigators, law enforcement officials, University leaders and others would properly and fully investigate any issue and proceed as the facts dictated" seems so disingenuous that I can't even believe the family put that out there.

As far as Paterno's legacy goes, I think he can wear both hats: chief architect in building one of the great collegiate football programs of all time . . . and conspirator in contributing to one of the worst acts of ommission and indifference in a long standing child sex abuse scandals.

I'm fine with this as long as the order is changed. Anyone and everyone should remember the latter first.

 

[JZilla]

Well I gotta say boys.. I've found your faux indignation to be a major turnoff throughout this whole thing and I still do, but it's official - you were absolutely right all along.I'll never trust another old guy again.

You think people being outraged about child rape and the people who protected the child rapist and enabled him to continue his serial child rape is "faux indignation"?

Yep there's about of dozen of you here who TRULY hate child rape, and we know it because you've said it about 250 times apiece. The rest of us are totally cool with it and we mostly just suck balls all around.

 

[tri-man 47]

I know this is a football board and the scandal occurred inside the football program, but at its heart, this story isn't really about football. It's about a group of administrators who covered up criminal and morally reprehensible activity by a highly-valued employee. If we changed the particulars, I don't think anybody would argue in favor of dismantling the entire organization.For example, suppose a nationally-recognized chemistry professor had been molesting kids who attended summer chemistry camp. The chair of the chemistry department knew, the dean of the appropriate college knew, and the president knew, but they all covered it up because they wanted to keep this professor around because of all the grant money, publications, and prestige he brought to the program. Then the scandal comes to light. Would anybody argue that the university should close down its chemistry department altogether?

I would suggest they should close down the summer chemistry camp, which would arguably be comparable to the discussion here of closing down football - but not all of athletics. It is a bit hard to compare, given the adoration given to football (particularly at PSU), which in many ways allows them to act with some impunity. Although as you and I know (working in academics), faculty are often in their own world ...

 

[TexanFan02]

Well I gotta say boys.. I've found your faux indignation to be a major turnoff throughout this whole thing and I still do, but it's official - you were absolutely right all along.I'll never trust another old guy again.

You think people being outraged about child rape and the people who protected the child rapist and enabled him to continue his serial child rape is "faux indignation"?

Yep there's about of dozen of you here who TRULY hate child rape, and we know it because you've said it about 250 times apiece. The rest of us are totally cool with it and we mostly just suck balls all around.

 

[JZilla]

I don't understand ridiculing Paterno's family in this. They're not the ones who covered up the scandal. They're simply trying to defend/come to terms with the despicable actions from their father/husband. I can't imagine how I would react if I found out a close family member was a key conspirator in covering up/enabling years of child molestation.

They should probably have shut up and gone away by now, IMO..

 

[Todd Andrews]

Well I gotta say boys.. I've found your faux indignation to be a major turnoff throughout this whole thing and I still do, but it's official - you were absolutely right all along.I'll never trust another old guy again.

You think people being outraged about child rape and the people who protected the child rapist and enabled him to continue his serial child rape is "faux indignation"?

Yep there's about of dozen of you here who TRULY hate child rape, and we know it because you've said it about 250 times apiece. The rest of us are totally cool with it and we mostly just suck balls all around.

The only people who suck balls and seem cool with child rape are Sandusky, Paterno, Curley, Schultz, Spanier and their various defenders. I dont know where you fall, but claiming people who found this outrageous were faking it is idiotic. And you know we were right, so why keep pushing the idea that we were right but in your opinion still faking outrage? You seem desperate to make that point.

 

[ThaPenguin]

Email I just received:

A MESSAGE FROM THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES

Today with the report released by Judge Louis Freeh, the Penn State Board of Trustees delivered on the commitment we made last November when we engaged Judge Freeh to conduct an independent investigation into the University's actions regarding former Penn State employee, Jerry Sandusky, and the handling of allegations of the child abuse crimes of which he has since been found guilty.

Judge Freeh and his team conducted a rigorous, eight-month investigation into all aspects of the University's actions to determine where breakdowns occurred and what changes should be made for the future. We like many others have eagerly anticipated Judge Freeh's Report of the findings of his investigation.

His report has just been released at http://thefreehreportonpsu.com/ and we currently are reviewing his findings and recommendations. We expect a comprehensive analysis of our policies, procedures and controls related to identifying and reporting crimes and misconduct, including failures or gaps that may have allowed alleged misconduct to go undetected or unreported. We will provide our initial response later today.

We want to ensure we are giving the report careful scrutiny and consideration before making any announcements or recommendations. We are convening an internal team comprising the Board of Trustees, University administration and our legal counsel to begin analyzing the report and digesting Judge Freeh's findings.

As we anticipate the review and approval process will take some time, our initial response and immediate next steps will be presented at 3:30 at the Dayton/Taylor Conference Room at the Hilton Scranton & Conference Center.

These top-line reactions will provide an overview of our process for developing and implementing a plan once we have studied the report and have a better understanding of what it means and how we can implement findings to strengthen Penn State's role as a leading academic institution and ensure that what occurred will never be allowed to happen again.

 

[Bonzai]

Well I gotta say boys.. I've found your faux indignation to be a major turnoff throughout this whole thing and I still do, but it's official - you were absolutely right all along.I'll never trust another old guy again.

You think people being outraged about child rape and the people who protected the child rapist and enabled him to continue his serial child rape is "faux indignation"?

Yep there's about of dozen of you here who TRULY hate child rape, and we know it because you've said it about 250 times apiece. The rest of us are totally cool with it and we mostly just suck balls all around.

THANK YOU.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

nationally-recognized chemistry professor

Walter White.

This is exactly what popped into my head as well!

 

[Ilov80s]

Apparently the students that had gathered in the student union at PSU to watch the news and see the release of the report found that when the news was coming on, all the TV stations were changed to public access...the cover-up continues

 

[The Commish]

I agree with FatGuy with respect to shutting down the football program. All that accomplishes is punishing a bunch of people who didn't have anything to do with this, creating a second group of victims. I agree that it's important to send a message about not letting the football program take priority over stopping child molestation, but the way to send that message is to send Curley and Spanier to prison, and to remove Joe Paterno's name from the Penn State campus.

Not only from the campus, but the record books and history of CFB.

 

[Dragons]

I don't understand ridiculing Paterno's family in this. They're not the ones who covered up the scandal. They're simply trying to defend/come to terms with the despicable actions from their father/husband. I can't imagine how I would react if I found out a close family member was a key conspirator in covering up/enabling years of child molestation.

They should probably have shut up and gone away by now, IMO..

Yeah, I think the last thing I'd be doing is releasing public statements.

 

[Wrighteous Ray]

I agree with FatGuy with respect to shutting down the football program. All that accomplishes is punishing a bunch of people who didn't have anything to do with this, creating a second group of victims. I agree that it's important to send a message about not letting the football program take priority over stopping child molestation, but the way to send that message is to send Curley and Spanier to prison, and to remove Joe Paterno's name from the Penn State campus.

Not only from the campus, but the record books and history of CFB.

Probably should also erase anybody's memory that watched Penn State football games.