Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (2 Viewers)

[Dr. Awesome]

I don't understand ridiculing Paterno's family in this. They're not the ones who covered up the scandal. They're simply trying to defend/come to terms with the despicable actions from their father/husband. I can't imagine how I would react if I found out a close family member was a key conspirator in covering up/enabling years of child molestation.

They should probably have shut up and gone away by now, IMO..

Agreed. Would be best if they kept quiet and answered all questions with a 'No comment' type response.

 

[The Commish]

For the "death penalty" and "shut down the athletic program" folks....why do you draw the line at athletics? Trying to understand why the line's being drawn there. TIA

 

[fatness]

Not just lack of institutional control, but strong institutional control in the coverup.

Pretty good summary there.

 

[Limp Ditka]

For the "death penalty" and "shut down the athletic program" folks....why do you draw the line at athletics? Trying to understand why the line's being drawn there. TIA

Because it was the bait.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

For the "death penalty" and "shut down the athletic program" folks....why do you draw the line at athletics? Trying to understand why the line's being drawn there. TIA

As opposed to closing the school? I don't know if I would go that far, although I wouldn't be surprised if the civil suits that are coming massively bankrupt the university. The damages are going to massive. I've been trying to figure out how I would deal with the civil case if I was an attorney and I don't know if I could settle a great claim for less than 8 figures or more. What's going to be interesting is the outlying claims - people that claim they were victims too but didn't come forward in the criminal case, or other types of "ancillary" claims - does the university fight them or try to settle with them too as soon as possible? I think no matter what PSU is going to be a very different type of school in a few years.

 

[Rayderr]

For the "death penalty" and "shut down the athletic program" folks....why do you draw the line at athletics? Trying to understand why the line's being drawn there. TIA

If the Law program professors were bringing in young kids interested in law, had sex with them and then covered it up, I'd be all for shutting down the law program and leaving the football team alone.

 

[Doug B]

And you know we were right ...

From the peanut gallery:One can be completely, totally right and act like a raging jack-hole at the same time. People that only agree with your take 99.9% (instead of 100%) are not "lovers of child-rape enablers". \

EDIT: also, behaving as if your stake is personal if, indeed, it is not comes off as somehow fake. That said, I don't know your life and you may have a personal stake of some kind.

 

[fatness]

It's a big investment of time, but reading the whole report is really illuminating. The guys at the top, including Paterno, appear to have been big fat liars about stuff. Claiming they didn't know about the 1998 incident, claiming that McQueary just said Sandusky was "horsing around" in the shower, claiming that there weren't subsequent conversations about what to do after the 2001 incident, using code words in emails to try to protect themselves. Just reading the summary doesn't really give the full flavor.

I agree. Reading some of the communications, looking at the handwritten notes etc. -- it's all so utterly slimy. Like a herd of 50-foot slugs crawling all over people.

 

[NCCommish]

I don't understand ridiculing Paterno's family in this. They're not the ones who covered up the scandal. They're simply trying to defend/come to terms with the despicable actions from their father/husband. I can't imagine how I would react if I found out a close family member was a key conspirator in covering up/enabling years of child molestation.

If he was closely related to me I'd throw him under the bus without any hesitation.

 

[The Commish]

For the "death penalty" and "shut down the athletic program" folks....why do you draw the line at athletics? Trying to understand why the line's being drawn there. TIA

As opposed to closing the school? I don't know if I would go that far, although I wouldn't be surprised if the civil suits that are coming massively bankrupt the university. The damages are going to massive. I've been trying to figure out how I would deal with the civil case if I was an attorney and I don't know if I could settle a great claim for less than 8 figures or more. What's going to be interesting is the outlying claims - people that claim they were victims too but didn't come forward in the criminal case, or other types of "ancillary" claims - does the university fight them or try to settle with them too as soon as possible? I think no matter what PSU is going to be a very different type of school in a few years.

Why not? For me, this ends with removing all the individuals actually responsible for the acts. It's clear that stopping there isn't enough for a lot of folks, so I'm trying to understand how they are determining where to stop.

 

[The Commish]

For the "death penalty" and "shut down the athletic program" folks....why do you draw the line at athletics? Trying to understand why the line's being drawn there. TIA

If the Law program professors were bringing in young kids interested in law, had sex with them and then covered it up, I'd be all for shutting down the law program and leaving the football team alone.

So if a law professor, his dean and the chancellor (for purposes of discussion) knew about it and hid it, you wouldn't stop until you had shut down the entire department? Why are you stopping at the department only?

 

[Doug B]

If he was closely related to me I'd throw him under the bus without any hesitation.

But you wouldn't have an outsider's perspective on the events ... that would change things. I agree with the sum of Dr. Awesome's and JZilla's takes above about the Paterno family's statements. Don't beggrudge them a whit for feeling the way they feel, but think they are spectacularly ill-advised to keep going public.

 

[Rayderr]

For the "death penalty" and "shut down the athletic program" folks....why do you draw the line at athletics? Trying to understand why the line's being drawn there. TIA

If the Law program professors were bringing in young kids interested in law, had sex with them and then covered it up, I'd be all for shutting down the law program and leaving the football team alone.

So if a law professor, his dean and the chancellor (for purposes of discussion) knew about it and hid it, you wouldn't stop until you had shut down the entire department? Why are you stopping at the department only?

If the theater dept. is involved, I'd be all for shutting them down too.

 

[CrossEyed]

Patiently awaiting the spin from the Paterno family.

And it didn't take long.They really just need to be quiet at this point.

 

[Todd Andrews]

And you know we were right ...

From the peanut gallery:One can be completely, totally right and act like a raging jack-hole at the same time. People that only agree with your take 99.9% (instead of 100%) are not "lovers of child-rape enablers". \

EDIT: also, behaving as if your stake is personal if, indeed, it is not comes off as somehow fake. That said, I don't know your life and you may have a personal stake of some kind.

Of course, to a degree. But attacking people who were right all along because of the manner in which they showed their outrage is merely another defensive tactic of those who defended these scum all along. I never called anyone who agreed with me 99.9% of the time a lover of child rape enabler. I called those who defended the child rape enablers that. And they dont like what they see in the mirror so they attack the mirror.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

I agree with FatGuy with respect to shutting down the football program. All that accomplishes is punishing a bunch of people who didn't have anything to do with this, creating a second group of victims. I agree that it's important to send a message about not letting the football program take priority over stopping child molestation, but the way to send that message is to send Curley and Spanier to prison, and to remove Joe Paterno's name from the Penn State campus.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

I don't understand ridiculing Paterno's family in this. They're not the ones who covered up the scandal. They're simply trying to defend/come to terms with the despicable actions from their father/husband. I can't imagine how I would react if I found out a close family member was a key conspirator in covering up/enabling years of child molestation.

If he was closely related to me I'd throw him under the bus without any hesitation.

That would be perfectly understandable and completely justified. I also don't fault them for being in denial and having a difficult time coming to terms with things. They've been told Paterno is a hero for multiple decades. jzilla is right when he says they should probably just shut up.

 

[fatness]

Patiently awaiting the spin from the Paterno family.

We are in the process of reviewing the Freeh report and will need some time before we can comment in depth on its findings and conclusions. From the moment this crisis broke, Joe Paterno supported a comprehensive, fair investigation. He always believed, as we do, that the full truth should be uncovered.

According to the report, witnesses "consistently" told Freeh's investigators that Paterno was in control of the football facilities and knew "everything that was going on." The report says, "As head coach, he had the authority to establish permissible uses of his football facilities," but nothing in the record indicates Paterno or his superiors contemplated restricting Sandusky's access.

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[Yankee23Fan]

For the "death penalty" and "shut down the athletic program" folks....why do you draw the line at athletics? Trying to understand why the line's being drawn there. TIA

As opposed to closing the school? I don't know if I would go that far, although I wouldn't be surprised if the civil suits that are coming massively bankrupt the university. The damages are going to massive. I've been trying to figure out how I would deal with the civil case if I was an attorney and I don't know if I could settle a great claim for less than 8 figures or more. What's going to be interesting is the outlying claims - people that claim they were victims too but didn't come forward in the criminal case, or other types of "ancillary" claims - does the university fight them or try to settle with them too as soon as possible? I think no matter what PSU is going to be a very different type of school in a few years.

Why not? For me, this ends with removing all the individuals actually responsible for the acts. It's clear that stopping there isn't enough for a lot of folks, so I'm trying to understand how they are determining where to stop.

I'm not that heavily invested to really care that much; was just offering my opinion for the most part. Let's revise my remakrs to say that if they kill the program I'm ok with it. Won't really shed a tear either way though.

 

[The Commish]

For the "death penalty" and "shut down the athletic program" folks....why do you draw the line at athletics? Trying to understand why the line's being drawn there. TIA

If the Law program professors were bringing in young kids interested in law, had sex with them and then covered it up, I'd be all for shutting down the law program and leaving the football team alone.

So if a law professor, his dean and the chancellor (for purposes of discussion) knew about it and hid it, you wouldn't stop until you had shut down the entire department? Why are you stopping at the department only?

If the theater dept. is involved, I'd be all for shutting them down too.

you didn't answer my question. Perhaps a different question. What's the rationale of shutting down entire departments because of the actions of one or two?

 

[NCCommish]

If he was closely related to me I'd throw him under the bus without any hesitation.

But you wouldn't have an outsider's perspective on the events ... that would change things. I agree with the sum of Dr. Awesome's and JZilla's takes above about the Paterno family's statements. Don't beggrudge them a whit for feeling the way they feel, but think they are spectacularly ill-advised to keep going public.

But I have had some criminals in the family tree so I understand that part. Still I have no problem with ditching them and moving on. I owe them nothing.

 

[TexanFan02]

For the "death penalty" and "shut down the athletic program" folks....why do you draw the line at athletics? Trying to understand why the line's being drawn there. TIA

If the Law program professors were bringing in young kids interested in law, had sex with them and then covered it up, I'd be all for shutting down the law program and leaving the football team alone.

So if a law professor, his dean and the chancellor (for purposes of discussion) knew about it and hid it, you wouldn't stop until you had shut down the entire department? Why are you stopping at the department only?

If the theater dept. is involved, I'd be all for shutting them down too.

you didn't answer my question. Perhaps a different question. What's the rationale of shutting down entire departments because of the actions of one or two?

OUTRAGE!!!11!!

 

[The Commish]

For the "death penalty" and "shut down the athletic program" folks....why do you draw the line at athletics? Trying to understand why the line's being drawn there. TIA

As opposed to closing the school? I don't know if I would go that far, although I wouldn't be surprised if the civil suits that are coming massively bankrupt the university. The damages are going to massive. I've been trying to figure out how I would deal with the civil case if I was an attorney and I don't know if I could settle a great claim for less than 8 figures or more. What's going to be interesting is the outlying claims - people that claim they were victims too but didn't come forward in the criminal case, or other types of "ancillary" claims - does the university fight them or try to settle with them too as soon as possible? I think no matter what PSU is going to be a very different type of school in a few years.

Why not? For me, this ends with removing all the individuals actually responsible for the acts. It's clear that stopping there isn't enough for a lot of folks, so I'm trying to understand how they are determining where to stop.

I'm not that heavily invested to really care that much; was just offering my opinion for the most part. Let's revise my remakrs to say that if they kill the program I'm ok with it. Won't really shed a tear either way though.

And if they simply remove all those involved, are you still "ok" with it?

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

For the "death penalty" and "shut down the athletic program" folks....why do you draw the line at athletics? Trying to understand why the line's being drawn there. TIA

If the Law program professors were bringing in young kids interested in law, had sex with them and then covered it up, I'd be all for shutting down the law program and leaving the football team alone.

So if a law professor, his dean and the chancellor (for purposes of discussion) knew about it and hid it, you wouldn't stop until you had shut down the entire department? Why are you stopping at the department only?

If the theater dept. is involved, I'd be all for shutting them down too.

you didn't answer my question. Perhaps a different question. What's the rationale of shutting down entire departments because of the actions of one or two?

Why does the NCAA put teams on probation for 4-5 years because of the actions of one or two? Comparatively speaking, Penn State should get the death penalty or something very close to it.

 

[NCCommish]

I don't understand ridiculing Paterno's family in this. They're not the ones who covered up the scandal. They're simply trying to defend/come to terms with the despicable actions from their father/husband. I can't imagine how I would react if I found out a close family member was a key conspirator in covering up/enabling years of child molestation.

If he was closely related to me I'd throw him under the bus without any hesitation.

That would be perfectly understandable and completely justified. I also don't fault them for being in denial and having a difficult time coming to terms with things. They've been told Paterno is a hero for multiple decades. jzilla is right when he says they should probably just shut up.

Yeah withdrawing from the scene and the furor would be a good idea. I guess I don't get the "I have to stick with family no matter what" thing. It just never took for me.

 

[CrossEyed]

For the "death penalty" and "shut down the athletic program" folks....why do you draw the line at athletics? Trying to understand why the line's being drawn there. TIA

I haven't heard too many people wanting to shut down the whole athletic program. I would say shut down the football program because the evidence seems to suggest that this coverup occurred in an attempt to protect the reputation of the football program. Football was given priority over the safety and well-being of the boys that were being abused by Sandusky. That's why I think the football program should be given the death penalty.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Part of that report that goes into McQueary telling Joe, and Joe moving up the chain etc., comes off like a bad game of telephone. They all are at fault, but the witness of the incident needs to tell his superior in detail what he saw and/or needs to be the one calling the police because only the witness can give the most clear and accurate description. Lots of wrongdoing here, but man, if you see something like this you have to know that your description is the one that counts.

 

[Rayderr]

For the "death penalty" and "shut down the athletic program" folks....why do you draw the line at athletics? Trying to understand why the line's being drawn there. TIA

If the Law program professors were bringing in young kids interested in law, had sex with them and then covered it up, I'd be all for shutting down the law program and leaving the football team alone.

So if a law professor, his dean and the chancellor (for purposes of discussion) knew about it and hid it, you wouldn't stop until you had shut down the entire department? Why are you stopping at the department only?

If the theater dept. is involved, I'd be all for shutting them down too.

you didn't answer my question. Perhaps a different question. What's the rationale of shutting down entire departments because of the actions of one or two?

I think the motive behind the cover up plays a large role. If there was no coverup by the penn state officials, I would not be advocating shutting it down. However, there was one and the main motivation behind the coverup was because Penn State was afraid they were going to lose their cash cow (in this case, the football program.) You covered up to protect your cash cow, you should lose that cash cow when the cover up is discovered.

 

[Rayderr]

For the "death penalty" and "shut down the athletic program" folks....why do you draw the line at athletics? Trying to understand why the line's being drawn there. TIA

I haven't heard too many people wanting to shut down the whole athletic program. I would say shut down the football program because the evidence seems to suggest that this coverup occurred in an attempt to protect the reputation of the football program. Football was given priority over the safety and well-being of the boys that were being abused by Sandusky. That's why I think the football program should be given the death penalty.

 

[The Commish]

For the "death penalty" and "shut down the athletic program" folks....why do you draw the line at athletics? Trying to understand why the line's being drawn there. TIA

If the Law program professors were bringing in young kids interested in law, had sex with them and then covered it up, I'd be all for shutting down the law program and leaving the football team alone.

So if a law professor, his dean and the chancellor (for purposes of discussion) knew about it and hid it, you wouldn't stop until you had shut down the entire department? Why are you stopping at the department only?

If the theater dept. is involved, I'd be all for shutting them down too.

you didn't answer my question. Perhaps a different question. What's the rationale of shutting down entire departments because of the actions of one or two?

Why does the NCAA put teams on probation for 4-5 years because of the actions of one or two? Comparatively speaking, Penn State should get the death penalty or something very close to it.

The NCAA puts schools on probation because those schools break NCAA rules. This is bigger than the NCAA. Not sure why you'd be comparing child molestation and it's cover up to a kid talking to an agent or taking money

 

[Doug B]

Yeah withdrawing from the scene and the furor would be a good idea. I guess I don't get the "I have to stick with family no matter what" thing. It just never took for me.

You might, though, if you truly believed that your child or spouse was somehow being railroaded, even if that belief were based on self-delusion. I don't think a human alive is above delusion given sufficiently harrowing personal circumstances.However, I totally get that once the switch is flipped, and your child's/spouse's guilt becomes firmly planted in your mind as rock-solid truth, you may well do a 180.

 

[The Commish]

For the "death penalty" and "shut down the athletic program" folks....why do you draw the line at athletics? Trying to understand why the line's being drawn there. TIA

I haven't heard too many people wanting to shut down the whole athletic program. I would say shut down the football program because the evidence seems to suggest that this coverup occurred in an attempt to protect the reputation of the football program. Football was given priority over the safety and well-being of the boys that were being abused by Sandusky. That's why I think the football program should be given the death penalty.

And you don't believe that once this got outside the athletic department, those administrators were just looking at protecting the football program and not the PSU name in general? ETA: Personally, I think you are giving everyone too much credit if you think they were simply trying to cover up for sake of the football program. I think it was more about the PSU name and that's why when it got outside the athletic department, they continued to cover it up.

 

[fatness]

The first record of Penn State administrators being aware of Sandusky's actions came in May 1998 when the mother of a Second Mile participant reported Sandusky had bear-hugged her son in a Penn State shower.

According to the Freeh report, Penn State president Graham Spanier, athletic director Tim Curley, director of finance Gary Schultz and head coach Joe Paterno were all aware of that investigation. Until now, it was unclear whether or not Paterno knew of the 1998 incident. His family has denied it, and Paterno's testimony before the grand jury indicated he didn't, but the Freeh report quotes an internal email from Curly to Schultz in which he asks if there's anything new with the investigation because "Coach is anxious to know where it stands."

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[hammerva]

Shocker that people in Penn State want to turtle up when the news hit. From Philadelphia Inquirier:

The handful of students and alumni that gathered in Penn State's student center this morning to watch the release of the Freeh report live were stunned when the channel suddenly switched.While most of campus was still sleepy, the small group was viewing CNN on a large screen, or one of several smaller screens nearby, in anticipation of the 9 a.m. release of the report on the sex abuse scandal that has gripped the school.Most were hoping that the report, part of a seven-month probe by former FBI Director Louis Freeh, would exonerate legendary football coach Joe Paterno.But, just as an anchor was ready to speak about the report, the television screens suddenly went blank. They then turned to a public access channel featuring a reporter from The Morning Call newspaper in Allentown about the state budget.Everyone watching suddenly went scrambling to find a way to switch the channel back at the student center, known as the HUB-Robeson Center Facility, or simply, "the Hub.""Is this some kind of conspiracy?" asked Mary Krupa, an 18-year-old freshman from State College, Pa.John Kruse, 48, an alumnus, was also in the student center at the time."I'm here today to find out who know what and when," Kruse said of the report.

 

[TexanFan02]

The first record of Penn State administrators being aware of Sandusky's actions came in May 1998 when the mother of a Second Mile participant reported Sandusky had bear-hugged her son in a Penn State shower.

According to the Freeh report, Penn State president Graham Spanier, athletic director Tim Curley, director of finance Gary Schultz and head coach Joe Paterno were all aware of that investigation. Until now, it was unclear whether or not Paterno knew of the 1998 incident. His family has denied it, and Paterno's testimony before the grand jury indicated he didn't, but the Freeh report quotes an internal email from Curly to Schultz in which he asks if there's anything new with the investigation because "Coach is anxious to know where it stands."

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Right. Paterno was concerned. The investigation concluded that there was no wrongdoing. I don't know why you guys think this is some kind of smoking gun.

 

[NCCommish]

Yeah withdrawing from the scene and the furor would be a good idea. I guess I don't get the "I have to stick with family no matter what" thing. It just never took for me.

You might, though, if you truly believed that your child or spouse was somehow being railroaded, even if that belief were based on self-delusion. I don't think a human alive is above delusion given sufficiently harrowing personal circumstances.However, I totally get that once the switch is flipped, and your child's/spouse's guilt becomes firmly planted in your mind as rock-solid truth, you may well do a 180.

Fair enough.

 

[CrossEyed]

For the "death penalty" and "shut down the athletic program" folks....why do you draw the line at athletics? Trying to understand why the line's being drawn there. TIA

I haven't heard too many people wanting to shut down the whole athletic program. I would say shut down the football program because the evidence seems to suggest that this coverup occurred in an attempt to protect the reputation of the football program. Football was given priority over the safety and well-being of the boys that were being abused by Sandusky. That's why I think the football program should be given the death penalty.

And you don't believe that once this got outside the athletic department, those administrators were just looking at protecting the football program and not the PSU name in general?

Perhaps to a much lesser degree, but I think this was primarily and overwhelmingly about protecting the cash cow.

 

[The Commish]

For the "death penalty" and "shut down the athletic program" folks....why do you draw the line at athletics? Trying to understand why the line's being drawn there. TIA

I haven't heard too many people wanting to shut down the whole athletic program. I would say shut down the football program because the evidence seems to suggest that this coverup occurred in an attempt to protect the reputation of the football program. Football was given priority over the safety and well-being of the boys that were being abused by Sandusky. That's why I think the football program should be given the death penalty.

And you don't believe that once this got outside the athletic department, those administrators were just looking at protecting the football program and not the PSU name in general?

Perhaps to a much lesser degree, but I think this was primarily and overwhelmingly about protecting the cash cow.

You give them a lot more credit than I do then.

 

[fatness]

The first record of Penn State administrators being aware of Sandusky's actions came in May 1998 when the mother of a Second Mile participant reported Sandusky had bear-hugged her son in a Penn State shower.

According to the Freeh report, Penn State president Graham Spanier, athletic director Tim Curley, director of finance Gary Schultz and head coach Joe Paterno were all aware of that investigation. Until now, it was unclear whether or not Paterno knew of the 1998 incident. His family has denied it, and Paterno's testimony before the grand jury indicated he didn't, but the Freeh report quotes an internal email from Curly to Schultz in which he asks if there's anything new with the investigation because "Coach is anxious to know where it stands."

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Right. Paterno was concerned. The investigation concluded that there was no wrongdoing. I don't know why you guys think this is some kind of smoking gun.

He lied to the grand jury about it.

 

[TexanFan02]

The first record of Penn State administrators being aware of Sandusky's actions came in May 1998 when the mother of a Second Mile participant reported Sandusky had bear-hugged her son in a Penn State shower.

According to the Freeh report, Penn State president Graham Spanier, athletic director Tim Curley, director of finance Gary Schultz and head coach Joe Paterno were all aware of that investigation. Until now, it was unclear whether or not Paterno knew of the 1998 incident. His family has denied it, and Paterno's testimony before the grand jury indicated he didn't, but the Freeh report quotes an internal email from Curly to Schultz in which he asks if there's anything new with the investigation because "Coach is anxious to know where it stands."

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Right. Paterno was concerned. The investigation concluded that there was no wrongdoing. I don't know why you guys think this is some kind of smoking gun.

He lied to the grand jury about it.

Link?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

For the "death penalty" and "shut down the athletic program" folks....why do you draw the line at athletics? Trying to understand why the line's being drawn there. TIA

If the Law program professors were bringing in young kids interested in law, had sex with them and then covered it up, I'd be all for shutting down the law program and leaving the football team alone.

So if a law professor, his dean and the chancellor (for purposes of discussion) knew about it and hid it, you wouldn't stop until you had shut down the entire department? Why are you stopping at the department only?

If the theater dept. is involved, I'd be all for shutting them down too.

you didn't answer my question. Perhaps a different question. What's the rationale of shutting down entire departments because of the actions of one or two?

I think the motive behind the cover up plays a large role. If there was no coverup by the penn state officials, I would not be advocating shutting it down. However, there was one and the main motivation behind the coverup was because Penn State was afraid they were going to lose their cash cow (in this case, the football program.) You covered up to protect your cash cow, you should lose that cash cow when the cover up is discovered.

This is a pretty reasonable take that I hadn't considered.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

The first record of Penn State administrators being aware of Sandusky's actions came in May 1998 when the mother of a Second Mile participant reported Sandusky had bear-hugged her son in a Penn State shower.

According to the Freeh report, Penn State president Graham Spanier, athletic director Tim Curley, director of finance Gary Schultz and head coach Joe Paterno were all aware of that investigation. Until now, it was unclear whether or not Paterno knew of the 1998 incident. His family has denied it, and Paterno's testimony before the grand jury indicated he didn't, but the Freeh report quotes an internal email from Curly to Schultz in which he asks if there's anything new with the investigation because "Coach is anxious to know where it stands."

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Right. Paterno was concerned. The investigation concluded that there was no wrongdoing. I don't know why you guys think this is some kind of smoking gun.

He lied to the grand jury about it.

I think the 1998 incident was the rumor(s) Joe referred to in his testimony. Something 13 years ago that at the time was thought to be nothing because there was an investigation and no charge. 1998 takes on new meaning because of 2001, but at the time it was pretty easily dismissed probably.

 

[TexanFan02]

The first record of Penn State administrators being aware of Sandusky's actions came in May 1998 when the mother of a Second Mile participant reported Sandusky had bear-hugged her son in a Penn State shower.

According to the Freeh report, Penn State president Graham Spanier, athletic director Tim Curley, director of finance Gary Schultz and head coach Joe Paterno were all aware of that investigation. Until now, it was unclear whether or not Paterno knew of the 1998 incident. His family has denied it, and Paterno's testimony before the grand jury indicated he didn't, but the Freeh report quotes an internal email from Curly to Schultz in which he asks if there's anything new with the investigation because "Coach is anxious to know where it stands."

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Right. Paterno was concerned. The investigation concluded that there was no wrongdoing. I don't know why you guys think this is some kind of smoking gun.

He lied to the grand jury about it.

I think the 1998 incident was the rumor(s) Joe referred to in his testimony. Something 13 years ago that at the time was thought to be nothing because there was an investigation and no charge. 1998 takes on new meaning because of 2001, but at the time it was pretty easily dismissed probably.

Plus, the question was specifically about inappropriate sexual conduct. According to the police investigation, that's not what happened in 1998.

 

[Wrighteous Ray]

Right. Paterno was concerned. The investigation concluded that there was no wrongdoing. I don't know why you guys think this is some kind of smoking gun.

He lied to the grand jury about it.

Yes, and it also makes him look a zillion times worse for not taking action after hearing from McQueary a few years later.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Well I gotta say boys.. I've found your faux indignation to be a major turnoff throughout this whole thing and I still do, but it's official - you were absolutely right all along.I'll never trust another old guy again.

Nothing faux about my indignation, bro. But go back to sticking you head in the sand, maybe down there joepa is still a swell guy.

 

[Wrighteous Ray]

He lied to the grand jury about it.

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Page 53 of the report.

 

[Todd Andrews]

The first record of Penn State administrators being aware of Sandusky's actions came in May 1998 when the mother of a Second Mile participant reported Sandusky had bear-hugged her son in a Penn State shower.

According to the Freeh report, Penn State president Graham Spanier, athletic director Tim Curley, director of finance Gary Schultz and head coach Joe Paterno were all aware of that investigation. Until now, it was unclear whether or not Paterno knew of the 1998 incident. His family has denied it, and Paterno's testimony before the grand jury indicated he didn't, but the Freeh report quotes an internal email from Curly to Schultz in which he asks if there's anything new with the investigation because "Coach is anxious to know where it stands."

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Right. Paterno was concerned. The investigation concluded that there was no wrongdoing. I don't know why you guys think this is some kind of smoking gun.

Because it puts the 2001 incident and the response to it in context and because Paterno lied to the grand jury investigating Sandusky and said he didnt know about the 1998 incident. From Paterno's grand jury testimony:Q: Other than the incident that Mike McQueary reported to you, do you know in any way, through rumor, direct knowledge or any other fashion, of any other inappropriate sexual conduct by Jerry Sandusky with young boys?

A: I do not know of anything else that Jerry Sandusky would be involved in, no. I do not know of it. You did mention—I think you said something about a rumor. It may have been discussed in my presence, something else about somebody. I don't know. I don't remember, and I could not honestly say I heard a rumor.

He also lied in this interview with the Washington post about it before his death:

And in his interview with Sally Jenkins of the Washington Post shortly before his death, Paterno said, "Nobody knew about it" when asked directly about his knowledge of the 1998 case.

 

[Rayderr]

For the "death penalty" and "shut down the athletic program" folks....why do you draw the line at athletics? Trying to understand why the line's being drawn there. TIA

I haven't heard too many people wanting to shut down the whole athletic program. I would say shut down the football program because the evidence seems to suggest that this coverup occurred in an attempt to protect the reputation of the football program. Football was given priority over the safety and well-being of the boys that were being abused by Sandusky. That's why I think the football program should be given the death penalty.

And you don't believe that once this got outside the athletic department, those administrators were just looking at protecting the football program and not the PSU name in general?

Perhaps to a much lesser degree, but I think this was primarily and overwhelmingly about protecting the cash cow.

You give them a lot more credit than I do then.

Do you think Spanier's and Shultz's actions would've been different if instead of Sandusky being accused it was a Physics professor or groundskeeper?

 

[fatness]

The first record of Penn State administrators being aware of Sandusky's actions came in May 1998 when the mother of a Second Mile participant reported Sandusky had bear-hugged her son in a Penn State shower.

According to the Freeh report, Penn State president Graham Spanier, athletic director Tim Curley, director of finance Gary Schultz and head coach Joe Paterno were all aware of that investigation. Until now, it was unclear whether or not Paterno knew of the 1998 incident. His family has denied it, and Paterno's testimony before the grand jury indicated he didn't, but the Freeh report quotes an internal email from Curly to Schultz in which he asks if there's anything new with the investigation because "Coach is anxious to know where it stands."

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Right. Paterno was concerned. The investigation concluded that there was no wrongdoing. I don't know why you guys think this is some kind of smoking gun.

He lied to the grand jury about it.

Link?

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Joe Paterno knew about and "followed closely" allegations that Jerry Sandusky abused a boy in a shower in 1998, and participated in a cover up by "repeatedly concealing critical facts" even when similar allegations were reported to him three years later, according to a Penn State internal investigation.

That's the opposite of what the late coach testified to under oath when he went before a grand jury in 2011. He also denied knowing anything about the 1998 report days before he died in January, when he agreed to an interview with The Washington Post. Instead, Paterno said the only allegation he knew of against Sandusky was made by assistant coach Mike McQueary in 2001.

 

[fatness]

This is what Paterno passed off as a rumor he might have heard but didn't remember

The first record of Penn State administrators being aware of Sandusky's actions came in May 1998 when the mother of a Second Mile participant reported Sandusky had bear-hugged her son in a Penn State shower.

According to the Freeh report, Penn State president Graham Spanier, athletic director Tim Curley, director of finance Gary Schultz and head coach Joe Paterno were all aware of that investigation. Until now, it was unclear whether or not Paterno knew of the 1998 incident. His family has denied it, and Paterno's testimony before the grand jury indicated he didn't, but the Freeh report quotes an internal email from Curly to Schultz in which he asks if there's anything new with the investigation because "Coach is anxious to know where it stands."

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"The evidence shows that Mr. Paterno was made aware of the 1998 investigation of Sandusky, followed it closely, but failed to take any action, even though Sandusky had been a key member of his coaching staff for almost 30 years and had an office just steps away from Mr. Paterno's," the report said.

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