Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (2 Viewers)

[timschochet]

I agree with FatGuy with respect to shutting down the football program. All that accomplishes is punishing a bunch of people who didn't have anything to do with this, creating a second group of victims. I agree that it's important to send a message about not letting the football program take priority over stopping child molestation, but the way to send that message is to send Curley and Spanier to prison, and to remove Joe Paterno's name from the Penn State campus.

If there had been no multi-million dollar football program, this guy would have been stopped in either 1998 or 2001. If Sandusky had been a football coach at Goldenwest College in Huntington Beach (right down the street from me), he would have been stopped. It was the national prominence of Penn State football which caused these people to hesitate and prevented them from doing the right thing.And that's why this football program should end. We have to send a message, now and forever, that this sort of behavior is unnacceptable, that millions of dollars in revenue is of no value compared to the protection of these children. Anything short of a suspension of football operations would be a huge mistake IMO.

 

[timschochet]

The victims need to sue Penn State to the degree that the university is forced to close its doors.

Well first, this won't happen because insurance will cover it. (PSU won't be able to get insurance again, but that's a different matter.)I don't think the university needs to shut down. Just the football program.

 

[mad sweeney]

The first record of Penn State administrators being aware of Sandusky's actions came in May 1998 when the mother of a Second Mile participant reported Sandusky had bear-hugged her son in a Penn State shower.

According to the Freeh report, Penn State president Graham Spanier, athletic director Tim Curley, director of finance Gary Schultz and head coach Joe Paterno were all aware of that investigation. Until now, it was unclear whether or not Paterno knew of the 1998 incident. His family has denied it, and Paterno's testimony before the grand jury indicated he didn't, but the Freeh report quotes an internal email from Curly to Schultz in which he asks if there's anything new with the investigation because "Coach is anxious to know where it stands."

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Right. Paterno was concerned. The investigation concluded that there was no wrongdoing. I don't know why you guys think this is some kind of smoking gun.

He lied to the grand jury about it.

Link?

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Joe Paterno knew about and "followed closely" allegations that Jerry Sandusky abused a boy in a shower in 1998, and participated in a cover up by "repeatedly concealing critical facts" even when similar allegations were reported to him three years later, according to a Penn State internal investigation.

That's the opposite of what the late coach testified to under oath when he went before a grand jury in 2011. He also denied knowing anything about the 1998 report days before he died in January, when he agreed to an interview with The Washington Post. Instead, Paterno said the only allegation he knew of against Sandusky was made by assistant coach Mike McQueary in 2001.

So he lied in an interview, but not to the Grand Jury. Got it.

Wow.

Q: Other than the incident that Mike McQueary reported to you, do you know in any way, through rumor, direct knowledge or any other fashion, of any other inappropriate sexual conduct by Jerry Sandusky with young boys?

A: I do not know of anything else that Jerry Sandusky would be involved in, no. I do not know of it.

Read the question again. He told the truth.

Read the answers again. He even said he might've heard a rumor but didn't remember for sure. Even though there's plenty of evidence cited in the report that he not only heard about it, but "followed it closely" and even spoke to Sandusky about it. Playing the doddering old fool doesn't help him in this and you're sounding even worse than the Paterno family. Give it up, you lost. Save what face you can because you look more and more foolish with every post.

 

[mad sweeney]

Paterno's greatest sin by far was in 2001 when he convinced Curley not to report McQueary incident to the authorities. Lying to the grand jury pales in comparison.

Agreed.

That, plus every day after.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Actually let me rephrase that - there doesn't need to be an NCAA rule on the books that says - don't cover up child abuse and rape for the protection of your football program and coach that make you so much money. It should be pretty apparant that you shouldn't do that, you know, because it's kids getting raped.I gotta be honest, the more we continue this conversation, the more I am leaning towards killing the program. If I had fiat power today, PSU football wouldn't exist for 5 years minimum. On top of the criminal convictions needed for the people involved. I understand you aren't a fan of guilt by association or that you want to know where the line is. I don't find it very unreasonable to say where the line is. I happy drawing it right at the Division I men's football program.

Is going beyond the football program to all those associated with the guilty few going too far in your opinion?

Not to be a lawyer but are you basically asking me about the AD's secretary and what she may have known? Criminal charges are fine with me. Again, I'm fully capable of drawing a line I'm comfortable with. The football program dies and the people that helped the cover up go to jail. If there is collateral damage to a secretary, janitor or the ahtletic program because it losses money, so be it.

 

[timschochet]

I don't blame the Paterno family for defending him. This is their father, and their hero, and they're allowed to look at this issue emotionally and irrationally.

None of the rest of you are excused.

 

[Todd Andrews]

Actually let me rephrase that - there doesn't need to be an NCAA rule on the books that says - don't cover up child abuse and rape for the protection of your football program and coach that make you so much money. It should be pretty apparant that you shouldn't do that, you know, because it's kids getting raped.I gotta be honest, the more we continue this conversation, the more I am leaning towards killing the program. If I had fiat power today, PSU football wouldn't exist for 5 years minimum. On top of the criminal convictions needed for the people involved. I understand you aren't a fan of guilt by association or that you want to know where the line is. I don't find it very unreasonable to say where the line is. I happy drawing it right at the Division I men's football program.

Is going beyond the football program to all those associated with the guilty few going too far in your opinion?

Not to be a lawyer but are you basically asking me about the AD's secretary and what she may have known? Criminal charges are fine with me. Again, I'm fully capable of drawing a line I'm comfortable with. The football program dies and the people that helped the cover up go to jail. If there is collateral damage to a secretary, janitor or the ahtletic program because it losses money, so be it.

This above is the logical appropriate position.

 

[mad sweeney]

Read the question again. He told the truth.

Keep telling yourself that.

He didn't know of any incidents of inappropriate sexual conduct. That was not the finding of the police investigation. He told the truth.

XThe question asked if he knew of any rumor involving Sandusky prior to 2001, which he did. He even admitted that he did. Pull your head out brother, you're going down in flames.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

If Sandusky had been a football coach at Goldenwest College in Huntington Beach (right down the street from me),

Hot damn. We used to be neighbors. I even took a few courses there.

 

[mad sweeney]

Read the question again. He told the truth.

Keep telling yourself that.

He didn't know of any incidents of inappropriate sexual conduct. That was not the finding of the police investigation. He told the truth.

Wow, so your point is that technically--because the earlier 1998 investigation by cops, DA, campus police, etc, which he followed closely and was updated about, was an allegation of improper contact between Sandusky and a kid but no charges were brought--that Paterno answered correctly that he was unaware of even a rumor about inappropriate sexual conduct with young boys? You are unbelievable.Q: Other than the incident that Mike McQueary reported to you, do you know in any way, through rumor, direct knowledge or any other fashion, of any other inappropriate sexual conduct by Jerry Sandusky with young boys?

A: I do not know of anything else that Jerry Sandusky would be involved in, no. I do not know of it.

There was a thorough investigation which concluded that nothing of an inappropriate sexual nature had taken place. So yes, he was technically not lying.

You keep forgetting this part, so technically, yes he lied.

 

[Todd Andrews]

I don't blame the Paterno family for defending him. This is their father, and their hero, and they're allowed to look at this issue emotionally and irrationally. None of the rest of you are excused.

What about you when you were defending Paterno in the face of these disgusting facts? Were you allowed to look at this issue emotionally and irrationally?

 

[The Commish]

Actually let me rephrase that - there doesn't need to be an NCAA rule on the books that says - don't cover up child abuse and rape for the protection of your football program and coach that make you so much money. It should be pretty apparant that you shouldn't do that, you know, because it's kids getting raped.I gotta be honest, the more we continue this conversation, the more I am leaning towards killing the program. If I had fiat power today, PSU football wouldn't exist for 5 years minimum. On top of the criminal convictions needed for the people involved. I understand you aren't a fan of guilt by association or that you want to know where the line is. I don't find it very unreasonable to say where the line is. I happy drawing it right at the Division I men's football program.

Is going beyond the football program to all those associated with the guilty few going too far in your opinion?

Not to be a lawyer but are you basically asking me about the AD's secretary and what she may have known? Criminal charges are fine with me. Again, I'm fully capable of drawing a line I'm comfortable with. The football program dies and the people that helped the cover up go to jail. If there is collateral damage to a secretary, janitor or the ahtletic program because it losses money, so be it.

anyone associated with the people who were part of it...going back to the 'guilty by association' angle here. These associations go really deep into the school as a whole. Why aren't folks saying PSU should just shut down all together? Perhaps it's an unfair question for you to answer specifically since you are comfortable drawing the line at the football program.

 

[tri-man 47]

Read the question again. He told the truth.

Keep telling yourself that.

He didn't know of any incidents of inappropriate sexual conduct. That was not the finding of the police investigation. He told the truth.

Wow, so your point is that technically--because the earlier 1998 investigation by cops, DA, campus police, etc, which he followed closely and was updated about, was an allegation of improper contact between Sandusky and a kid but no charges were brought--that Paterno answered correctly that he was unaware of even a rumor about inappropriate sexual conduct with young boys? You are unbelievable.Q: Other than the incident that Mike McQueary reported to you, do you know in any way, through rumor, direct knowledge or any other fashion, of any other inappropriate sexual conduct by Jerry Sandusky with young boys?

A: I do not know of anything else that Jerry Sandusky would be involved in, no. I do not know of it.

There was a thorough investigation which concluded that nothing of an inappropriate sexual nature had taken place. So yes, he was technically not lying.

"It depends on what the meaning of the words 'is' is."

Or from Stripes:Recruiter: Have you ever been convicted of a felony or a misdemeanor? That's robbery, rape, car theft, that sort of thing.

John Winger: Convicted? No.

Russell Ziskey: Never convicted.

 

[timschochet]

I don't blame the Paterno family for defending him. This is their father, and their hero, and they're allowed to look at this issue emotionally and irrationally. None of the rest of you are excused.

What about you when you were defending Paterno in the face of these disgusting facts? Were you allowed to look at this issue emotionally and irrationally?

I didn't have all the disgusting facts at the time. Perhaps that is because they weren't available, or perhaps because I didn't study the matter closely enough (if it's the latter, then that's my fault.) I wasn't willing to assume the worst without knowledge. I've always been a Paterno fan with great respect for him. It's not easy to think the worst of him.

 

[CrossEyed]

Not much surprises me, but I have to say I'm a little surprised that some people are still defending Paterno.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Apparently the students that had gathered in the student union at PSU to watch the news and see the release of the report found that when the news was coming on, all the TV stations were changed to public access...the cover-up continues

I actually thought this was just an attempt at humor. Just hearing reports that this actually happened. Scary, scary stuff. Like Kim Jong Il / North Korea scary

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Apparently the students that had gathered in the student union at PSU to watch the news and see the release of the report found that when the news was coming on, all the TV stations were changed to public access...the cover-up continues

I actually thought this was just an attempt at humor. Just hearing reports that this actually happened. Scary, scary stuff. Like Kim Jong Il / North Korea scary

Burying everyone's head in the sand is a hard habit to break.

 

[Todd Andrews]

I don't blame the Paterno family for defending him. This is their father, and their hero, and they're allowed to look at this issue emotionally and irrationally. None of the rest of you are excused.

What about you when you were defending Paterno in the face of these disgusting facts? Were you allowed to look at this issue emotionally and irrationally?

I didn't have all the disgusting facts at the time. Perhaps that is because they weren't available, or perhaps because I didn't study the matter closely enough (if it's the latter, then that's my fault.) I wasn't willing to assume the worst without knowledge. I've always been a Paterno fan with great respect for him. It's not easy to think the worst of him.

You had enough, Tim, you had enough. You chose to ignore it.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Actually let me rephrase that - there doesn't need to be an NCAA rule on the books that says - don't cover up child abuse and rape for the protection of your football program and coach that make you so much money. It should be pretty apparant that you shouldn't do that, you know, because it's kids getting raped.I gotta be honest, the more we continue this conversation, the more I am leaning towards killing the program. If I had fiat power today, PSU football wouldn't exist for 5 years minimum. On top of the criminal convictions needed for the people involved. I understand you aren't a fan of guilt by association or that you want to know where the line is. I don't find it very unreasonable to say where the line is. I happy drawing it right at the Division I men's football program.

Is going beyond the football program to all those associated with the guilty few going too far in your opinion?

Not to be a lawyer but are you basically asking me about the AD's secretary and what she may have known? Criminal charges are fine with me. Again, I'm fully capable of drawing a line I'm comfortable with. The football program dies and the people that helped the cover up go to jail. If there is collateral damage to a secretary, janitor or the ahtletic program because it losses money, so be it.

anyone associated with the people who were part of it...going back to the 'guilty by association' angle here. These associations go really deep into the school as a whole. Why aren't folks saying PSU should just shut down all together? Perhaps it's an unfair question for you to answer specifically since you are comfortable drawing the line at the football program.

I don't think we need to bend ourselves into that big of a knot. I know the assocaitions and whatnot run deep. I guess my basic answer in the end is, oh well.

 

[Maude]

Not sure if this quote has been piointed out yet, but this stood out to me...

Before May 1998, several staff members and football coaches regurlarly observed Sandusky showering with young boys in the Lasch Building.

Essentially saying that Sandusky was raping boys on campus well before 1998.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I would hope that any Penn State fan that called for the death penalty for Ohio State for not reporting players trading memorabilia for tattoos (and there were several on here) are all calling for the death penalty for Penn State for covering up and enabling the rapes of little boys.

 

[culdeus]

Not sure if this quote has been piointed out yet, but this stood out to me...

Before May 1998, several staff members and football coaches regurlarly observed Sandusky showering with young boys in the Lasch Building.

Essentially saying that Sandusky was raping boys on campus well before 1998.

Yeah, when did this really start up? Does the report cover that? Have any victims prior to 98 come forward?

 

[Todd Andrews]

Not sure if this quote has been piointed out yet, but this stood out to me...

Before May 1998, several staff members and football coaches regurlarly observed Sandusky showering with young boys in the Lasch Building.

Essentially saying that Sandusky was raping boys on campus well before 1998.

Yeah, the true extent of this is mindboggling and many who know about such things speculate that there could be as many as a hundred or more Sandusky victims. Which makes the enabling by the PSU powers so much more horrific.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Not much surprises me, but I have to say I'm a little surprised that some people are still defending Paterno.

I think the only person still defending Paterno is TexanFan, and he's an idiot so I don't think he counts.

 

[TexanFan02]

Not much surprises me, but I have to say I'm a little surprised that some people are still defending Paterno.

I think the only person still defending Paterno is TexanFan, and he's an idiot so I don't think he counts.

I'm not defending him. He said he should have done more.

 

[hammerva]

Not much surprises me, but I have to say I'm a little surprised that some people are still defending Paterno.

I think the only person still defending Paterno is TexanFan, and he's an idiot so I don't think he counts.

I'm not defending him. He said he should have done more.

and it took him 13 years after him covering it up in 1998 because of the fear of bad publicity to realize that. Good for him lets hear it for the hero

 

[timschochet]

Not much surprises me, but I have to say I'm a little surprised that some people are still defending Paterno.

I think the only person still defending Paterno is TexanFan, and he's an idiot so I don't think he counts.

I'm not defending him. He said he should have done more.

No.As a guy from ESPN pointed out this morning, it's not that Paterno didn't do anything (which BTW, was always my assumption) it's that he did too much. According to the report, Paterno played an ACTIVE role in covering up this story, which allowed Sandusky to molest more children. It's not like Paterno simply failed to take action; he TOOK action. He covered it up.

 

[TexanFan02]

Not much surprises me, but I have to say I'm a little surprised that some people are still defending Paterno.

I think the only person still defending Paterno is TexanFan, and he's an idiot so I don't think he counts.

I'm not defending him. He said he should have done more.

No.As a guy from ESPN pointed out this morning, it's not that Paterno didn't do anything (which BTW, was always my assumption) it's that he did too much. According to the report, Paterno played an ACTIVE role in covering up this story, which allowed Sandusky to molest more children. It's not like Paterno simply failed to take action; he TOOK action. He covered it up.

So he should have done less?

 

[hammerva]

Seriously are you doing ### #### shtick now. Is this some kind of message board gimmick?

 

[timschochet]

Not much surprises me, but I have to say I'm a little surprised that some people are still defending Paterno.

I think the only person still defending Paterno is TexanFan, and he's an idiot so I don't think he counts.

I'm not defending him. He said he should have done more.

No.As a guy from ESPN pointed out this morning, it's not that Paterno didn't do anything (which BTW, was always my assumption) it's that he did too much. According to the report, Paterno played an ACTIVE role in covering up this story, which allowed Sandusky to molest more children. It's not like Paterno simply failed to take action; he TOOK action. He covered it up.

So he should have done less?

Yes. he should have done less covering up.

 

[TexanFan02]

Not much surprises me, but I have to say I'm a little surprised that some people are still defending Paterno.

I think the only person still defending Paterno is TexanFan, and he's an idiot so I don't think he counts.

I'm not defending him. He said he should have done more.

No.As a guy from ESPN pointed out this morning, it's not that Paterno didn't do anything (which BTW, was always my assumption) it's that he did too much. According to the report, Paterno played an ACTIVE role in covering up this story, which allowed Sandusky to molest more children. It's not like Paterno simply failed to take action; he TOOK action. He covered it up.

So he should have done less?

This is really the wrong thread to play Christo semantics games. You know what he means.

This is the worst thread in the history of FBGs. I think it's the perfect place.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Not much surprises me, but I have to say I'm a little surprised that some people are still defending Paterno.

I think the only person still defending Paterno is TexanFan, and he's an idiot so I don't think he counts.

I'm not defending him. He said he should have done more.

No.As a guy from ESPN pointed out this morning, it's not that Paterno didn't do anything (which BTW, was always my assumption) it's that he did too much. According to the report, Paterno played an ACTIVE role in covering up this story, which allowed Sandusky to molest more children. It's not like Paterno simply failed to take action; he TOOK action. He covered it up.

So he should have done less?

This is really the wrong thread to play Christo semantics games. You know what he means.

This is the worst thread in the history of FBGs. I think it's the perfect place.

And you are one of the reasons!

 

[TexanFan02]

Not much surprises me, but I have to say I'm a little surprised that some people are still defending Paterno.

I think the only person still defending Paterno is TexanFan, and he's an idiot so I don't think he counts.

I'm not defending him. He said he should have done more.

No.As a guy from ESPN pointed out this morning, it's not that Paterno didn't do anything (which BTW, was always my assumption) it's that he did too much. According to the report, Paterno played an ACTIVE role in covering up this story, which allowed Sandusky to molest more children. It's not like Paterno simply failed to take action; he TOOK action. He covered it up.

So he should have done less?

This is really the wrong thread to play Christo semantics games. You know what he means.

This is the worst thread in the history of FBGs. I think it's the perfect place.

And you are one of the reasons!

But not the only one.

 

[mad sweeney]

Not much surprises me, but I have to say I'm a little surprised that some people are still defending Paterno.

I think the only person still defending Paterno is TexanFan, and he's an idiot so I don't think he counts.

I'm not defending him. He said he should have done more.

No.As a guy from ESPN pointed out this morning, it's not that Paterno didn't do anything (which BTW, was always my assumption) it's that he did too much. According to the report, Paterno played an ACTIVE role in covering up this story, which allowed Sandusky to molest more children. It's not like Paterno simply failed to take action; he TOOK action. He covered it up.

So he should have done less?

This is really the wrong thread to play Christo semantics games. You know what he means.

This is the worst thread in the history of FBGs. I think it's the perfect place.

And you are one of the reasons!

But not the only one.

No, right now you are it. You railed (abd continue to do so) against all the anti-Paterno stuff in spite of the evidence, and we ended up being right (in part due to the evidence we pointed to as well as more that clearly and deeply implicates him). And now you still won't quit. I'd say you are by far the biggest, if not sole reason, that you think this thread is absurd. Paterno was dirty as hell in this. It's a fact. Give it up.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Not much surprises me, but I have to say I'm a little surprised that some people are still defending Paterno.

I think the only person still defending Paterno is TexanFan, and he's an idiot so I don't think he counts.

I'm not defending him. He said he should have done more.

No.As a guy from ESPN pointed out this morning, it's not that Paterno didn't do anything (which BTW, was always my assumption) it's that he did too much. According to the report, Paterno played an ACTIVE role in covering up this story, which allowed Sandusky to molest more children. It's not like Paterno simply failed to take action; he TOOK action. He covered it up.

So he should have done less?

This is really the wrong thread to play Christo semantics games. You know what he means.

This is the worst thread in the history of FBGs. I think it's the perfect place.

The Trayvon Martin thread is much worse than this one, but coincidentally you're one of the people who ruined that one too. I'm seeing a pattern here.

 

[TexanFan02]

Not much surprises me, but I have to say I'm a little surprised that some people are still defending Paterno.

I think the only person still defending Paterno is TexanFan, and he's an idiot so I don't think he counts.

I'm not defending him. He said he should have done more.

No.As a guy from ESPN pointed out this morning, it's not that Paterno didn't do anything (which BTW, was always my assumption) it's that he did too much. According to the report, Paterno played an ACTIVE role in covering up this story, which allowed Sandusky to molest more children. It's not like Paterno simply failed to take action; he TOOK action. He covered it up.

So he should have done less?

This is really the wrong thread to play Christo semantics games. You know what he means.

This is the worst thread in the history of FBGs. I think it's the perfect place.

The Trayvon Martin thread is much worse than this one, but coincidentally you're one of the people who ruined that one too. I'm seeing a pattern here.

Wrong. The level of discourse in this thread has been absurd. But to satisfy Mad Sweeney, if it will make this awful thread go away, I'll stop posting in it.

 

[mad sweeney]

Not much surprises me, but I have to say I'm a little surprised that some people are still defending Paterno.

I think the only person still defending Paterno is TexanFan, and he's an idiot so I don't think he counts.

I'm not defending him. He said he should have done more.

No.As a guy from ESPN pointed out this morning, it's not that Paterno didn't do anything (which BTW, was always my assumption) it's that he did too much. According to the report, Paterno played an ACTIVE role in covering up this story, which allowed Sandusky to molest more children. It's not like Paterno simply failed to take action; he TOOK action. He covered it up.

So he should have done less?

This is really the wrong thread to play Christo semantics games. You know what he means.

This is the worst thread in the history of FBGs. I think it's the perfect place.

The Trayvon Martin thread is much worse than this one, but coincidentally you're one of the people who ruined that one too. I'm seeing a pattern here.

Wrong. The level of discourse in this thread has been absurd. But to satisfy Mad Sweeney, if it will make this awful thread go away, I'll stop posting in it.

This thread won't go away because there are still many, many people to punish for this decade plus of reprehensible behavior. However, burying your head in the sand and ignoring facts seem to be your forte so if that's what you want to do, go for it.

 

[Todd Andrews]

Not much surprises me, but I have to say I'm a little surprised that some people are still defending Paterno.

I think the only person still defending Paterno is TexanFan, and he's an idiot so I don't think he counts.

I'm not defending him. He said he should have done more.

No.As a guy from ESPN pointed out this morning, it's not that Paterno didn't do anything (which BTW, was always my assumption) it's that he did too much. According to the report, Paterno played an ACTIVE role in covering up this story, which allowed Sandusky to molest more children. It's not like Paterno simply failed to take action; he TOOK action. He covered it up.

So he should have done less?

You are vile.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Not much surprises me, but I have to say I'm a little surprised that some people are still defending Paterno.

I think the only person still defending Paterno is TexanFan, and he's an idiot so I don't think he counts.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I had no idea Paterno's kid was a Texans Fan.

 

[culdeus]

TexanFan is out Jutzing Jutz.

 

[fatness]

Joe Paterno knew about and "followed closely" allegations that Jerry Sandusky abused a boy in a shower in 1998, and participated in a cover up by "repeatedly concealing critical facts" even when similar allegations were reported to him three years later, according to a Penn State internal investigation.

That's the opposite of what the late coach testified to under oath when he went before a grand jury in 2011.

link again

 

[Tackling Dummies]

I'm wondering how many zero's there will be on the civil lawsuits vs PSU.

 

[fatness]

Louis Freeh

Its head, former FBI director Louis Freeh, concluded with these words about the former Penn State coach as well as former president Graham Spanier, former vice president Gary Schultz and former athletics director Tim Curley: “... In order to avoid the consequences of bad publicity, the most powerful leaders at Penn State University – Messrs. Spanier, Schultz, Paterno and Curley – repeatedly concealed critical facts relating to Sandusky’s child abuse from the authorities, the Board of Trustees, Penn State community, and the public at large. Although concern to treat the child abuser humanely was expressly stated, no such sentiments were ever expressed by them for Sandusky’s victims.”

Freeh’s report also makes it clear that, contrary to Paterno’s grand jury testimony of 2011, he was well in the loop about a 1998 investigation of an inappropriate contact in the Lasch showers with Victim 4: “The evidence shows that these four men also knew about a 1998 criminal investigation of Sandusky relating to suspected sexual misconduct with a young boy in a Penn State football locker room shower. Again, they showed no concern about that victim. The evidence shows that Mr. Paterno was made aware of the 1998 investigation of Sandusky, followed it closely, but failed to take any action, even though Sandusky had been a key member of his coaching staff for almost 30 years, and had an office just steps away from Mr. Paterno’s. "

“At the very least, Mr. Paterno could have alerted the entire football staff, in order to prevent Sandusky from bringing another child into the Lasch Building. Messrs. Spanier, Schultz, Paterno and Curley also failed to alert the Board of Trustees about the 1998 investigation or take any further action against Mr. Sandusky. None of them even spoke to Sandusky about his conduct. In short, nothing was done and Sandusky was allowed to continue with impunity.”

 

[Premier]

I don't blame the Paterno family for defending him. This is their father, and their hero, and they're allowed to look at this issue emotionally and irrationally. None of the rest of you are excused.

weren't you the one defending him for like 6 months?

 

[fatness]

Bobby Bowden

"When this thing was taking place, and reports were coming out that Joe was involved, and had so much power, you were kinda hoping that it was not true. You were hoping it would come out different," Bowden said in a phone interview with The Patriot-News. "It was inevitable that it came out the way it did.

"I hate it for Penn State, I hate it for Joe but it's kinda their fault, they didn't report what they should have reported."

 

[fatness]

Ronald Shreffler, a detective in the police department at Penn State, was first informed of the 1998 Jerry Sandusky shower incident on the morning of May 4, 1998, one day after it happened. Within 30 minutes, he had interviewed the boy now known to the world as Victim 6. And later that afternoon, Shreffler contacted a caseworker at the Centre County (Pa.) Children and Youth Services. But because CYS had several contracts with Sandusky's charity, The Second Mile, the case was handed to the state Department of Public Welfare (DPW) on May 5.

Around the same time, according to Page 43 of the Freeh Report, Shreffler also touched base with a prosecutor at the county district attorney's office. But he hadn't yet contacted anyone else at Penn State. Care to know why?

Shreffler had decided to call the prosecutor at the outset of the investigation so he did not "have to worry about Old Main sticking their nose into the investigation," which he knew from experience could occur.

"Old Main" is a reference to the building on Penn State's campus shown in the photo above. It houses, among other things, the school's administrative offices, including the office of the university president.

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[General Malaise]

TexanFan is out Jutzing Jutz.

Unless I'm wrong here, TexasFan is merely fishing in a satorical manner, poking fun of the posters like Jutz who vigorously defended Penn State and Paterno throughout this abortion. And Tim, apology accepted. Thank you.

 

[netnalp]

It'd be really disappointing if those involved in the cover up make a deal to reveal what they know to help prosecute Sandusky in return for immunity. Seems like there is plenty of evidence against Sandusky that a deal shouldn't be made.

 

[Premier]

It'd be really disappointing if those involved in the cover up make a deal to reveal what they know to help prosecute Sandusky in return for immunity. Seems like there is plenty of evidence against Sandusky that a deal shouldn't be made.

Ummm...you know he's been found guilty right?There was like big stories on it and everything.